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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Winks on Jan 24, 2020 13:53:52 GMT 1, Are they empty
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by artylang on Jan 24, 2020 15:13:03 GMT 1, so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic.
so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic.
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Terry Fuckwitt on Jan 24, 2020 15:32:42 GMT 1, so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic.
He can probably do a signed can of Stella for you if you prefer๐คฃ
Sorry bad joke, I'll get my coat.
so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic. He can probably do a signed can of Stella for you if you prefer๐คฃ Sorry bad joke, I'll get my coat. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 15:47:07 GMT 1, so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic. If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it...
I'm pretty sure most charities aren't in favor of domestic abusers. It doesn't seem to be an "opinion" to state he punched his girlfriend sadly.
Every Eine thread should include a reminder that HE PUNCHED HIS GIRLFRIEND IN THE FACE. In public. At a gallery. Imagine WTF he does at home.
He should create a new work entitled F**K EINE because honestly f**k that guy.
so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic. If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it... I'm pretty sure most charities aren't in favor of domestic abusers. It doesn't seem to be an "opinion" to state he punched his girlfriend sadly. Every Eine thread should include a reminder that HE PUNCHED HIS GIRLFRIEND IN THE FACE. In public. At a gallery. Imagine WTF he does at home. He should create a new work entitled F**K EINE because honestly f**k that guy. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 16:22:32 GMT 1, I'm pretty sure most charities aren't in favor of domestic abusers. It doesn't seem to be an "opinion" to state he punched his girlfriend sadly. Every Eine thread should include a reminder that HE PUNCHED HIS GIRLFRIEND IN THE FACE. In public. At a gallery. Imagine WTF he does at home. He should create a new work entitled F**K EINE because honestly f**k that guy. Yawn...
Yawn at me all you like but if you are struggling to sell out a whopping 20 signed beer cans at 30 GBP perhaps you're the one who shouldn't be so boring. Apparently it's affecting your work.
I'd bet Shelter isn't aware they are teamed up with a woman beater either. Pretty sure they won't be interested in taking your 400 GBP donation after deducting fees and shipping.
I'm pretty sure most charities aren't in favor of domestic abusers. It doesn't seem to be an "opinion" to state he punched his girlfriend sadly. Every Eine thread should include a reminder that HE PUNCHED HIS GIRLFRIEND IN THE FACE. In public. At a gallery. Imagine WTF he does at home. He should create a new work entitled F**K EINE because honestly f**k that guy. Yawn... Yawn at me all you like but if you are struggling to sell out a whopping 20 signed beer cans at 30 GBP perhaps you're the one who shouldn't be so boring. Apparently it's affecting your work. I'd bet Shelter isn't aware they are teamed up with a woman beater either. Pretty sure they won't be interested in taking your 400 GBP donation after deducting fees and shipping. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Riotcops on Jan 24, 2020 16:32:07 GMT 1, so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic. If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it...
so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic. If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it... I actually very much appreciate the comment (which is not an opinion) as I was unaware of the incident. I just researched it and will not be supporting this dude, even if its for charity. What we don't need are people like him, people who leave comments on charity based threads educating others on cowards who punch women 'with a closed fist' are all good in my books! |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 16:36:29 GMT 1, Yawn at me all you like but if you are struggling to sell out a whopping 20 signed beer cans at 30 GBP perhaps you're the one who shouldn't be so boring. Apparently it's affecting your work. I'd bet Shelter isn't aware they are teamed up with a woman beater either. Pretty sure they won't be interested in taking your 400 GBP donation after deducting fees and shipping. I'm not wasting my breath on you. If you clicked the link on the thread you'll see the amazing thing we did for charity. Eine was 1/10th of that. We only recently had the cans signed after the event and so I was kindly letting the fans know and they have stepped right in and purchased one. Thanks for the donations guys. There's 2 left, want me to put them aside for you... 
LOL. The amazing 400 GBP donation (if you do say so yourself, right)? Please. You did it for yourself, for marketing. I'll write to Shelter. I'm sure they won't want the money from the Eine sales.
Yes, all 12 fans have stepped right in it on this one. Whoopie!
You're gross for working with him as well. But, I'm super glad you are responding exactly the way you are, publicly, because I am sure other brands won't want to be anywhere near your poor judgment in teaming up with a woman beater.
Yawn at me all you like but if you are struggling to sell out a whopping 20 signed beer cans at 30 GBP perhaps you're the one who shouldn't be so boring. Apparently it's affecting your work. I'd bet Shelter isn't aware they are teamed up with a woman beater either. Pretty sure they won't be interested in taking your 400 GBP donation after deducting fees and shipping. I'm not wasting my breath on you. If you clicked the link on the thread you'll see the amazing thing we did for charity. Eine was 1/10th of that. We only recently had the cans signed after the event and so I was kindly letting the fans know and they have stepped right in and purchased one. Thanks for the donations guys. There's 2 left, want me to put them aside for you... LOL. The amazing 400 GBP donation (if you do say so yourself, right)? Please. You did it for yourself, for marketing. I'll write to Shelter. I'm sure they won't want the money from the Eine sales. Yes, all 12 fans have stepped right in it on this one. Whoopie! You're gross for working with him as well. But, I'm super glad you are responding exactly the way you are, publicly, because I am sure other brands won't want to be anywhere near your poor judgment in teaming up with a woman beater. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 24, 2020 17:19:16 GMT 1, I'm not wasting my breath on you. If you clicked the link on the thread you'll see the amazing thing we did for charity. Eine was 1/10th of that. We only recently had the cans signed after the event and so I was kindly letting the fans know and they have stepped right in and purchased one. Thanks for the donations guys.ย There's 2 left, want me to put them aside for you... LOL. The amazing 400 GBP donation (if you do say so yourself, right)? Please. You did it for yourself, for marketing. I'll write to Shelter. I'm sure they won't want the money from the Eine sales. Yes, all 12 fans have stepped right in it on this one. Whoopie! You're gross for working with him as well. But, I'm super glad you are responding exactly the way you are, publicly, because I am sure other brands won't want to be anywhere near your poor judgment in teaming up with a woman beater.ย
As strong as your feelings are, the guy received and served the punishment our system handed down to him. As hard as it might seem, people make mistakes and our society operates a system that is meant to acknowledge that.
And no, I don't agree with what he did.
I'm not wasting my breath on you. If you clicked the link on the thread you'll see the amazing thing we did for charity. Eine was 1/10th of that. We only recently had the cans signed after the event and so I was kindly letting the fans know and they have stepped right in and purchased one. Thanks for the donations guys.ย There's 2 left, want me to put them aside for you... LOL. The amazing 400 GBP donation (if you do say so yourself, right)? Please. You did it for yourself, for marketing. I'll write to Shelter. I'm sure they won't want the money from the Eine sales. Yes, all 12 fans have stepped right in it on this one. Whoopie! You're gross for working with him as well. But, I'm super glad you are responding exactly the way you are, publicly, because I am sure other brands won't want to be anywhere near your poor judgment in teaming up with a woman beater.ย As strong as your feelings are, the guy received and served the punishment our system handed down to him. As hard as it might seem, people make mistakes and our society operates a system that is meant to acknowledge that. And no, I don't agree with what he did. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 17:36:31 GMT 1, LOL. The amazing 400 GBP donation (if you do say so yourself, right)? Please. You did it for yourself, for marketing. I'll write to Shelter. I'm sure they won't want the money from the Eine sales. Yes, all 12 fans have stepped right in it on this one. Whoopie! You're gross for working with him as well. But, I'm super glad you are responding exactly the way you are, publicly, because I am sure other brands won't want to be anywhere near your poor judgment in teaming up with a woman beater. As strong as your feelings are, the guy received and served the punishment our system handed down to him. As hard as it might seem, people make mistakes and our society operates a system that is meant to acknowledge that. And no, I don't agree with what he did.
Understood.
But what's almost as uncomfortable to me is that the owner of this branding company has taken the troll/LOL stance when it comes to the accusations against the artist. Instead of receiving the same nuanced response as you just gave me, all we received from Nude beer can guy basically amounted to "too bad". The guy literally responded to me with "yawn". Those responses both minimize and normalize behavior that should not be minimized or normalized.
Further, while Ben received the punishment the system handed to him that doesn't afford him the right not to have a stigma on him and his work. He'll need to earn that standing back. I understand it's his attorney talking but his own attorney tried to blame her placing a false equivalency here, her being upset equal to him busting her lip.
Did Ben issue any kind of statement apologizing/condemning his actions other than his attorney simply asserting he was drunk?
LOL. The amazing 400 GBP donation (if you do say so yourself, right)? Please. You did it for yourself, for marketing. I'll write to Shelter. I'm sure they won't want the money from the Eine sales. Yes, all 12 fans have stepped right in it on this one. Whoopie! You're gross for working with him as well. But, I'm super glad you are responding exactly the way you are, publicly, because I am sure other brands won't want to be anywhere near your poor judgment in teaming up with a woman beater. As strong as your feelings are, the guy received and served the punishment our system handed down to him. As hard as it might seem, people make mistakes and our society operates a system that is meant to acknowledge that. And no, I don't agree with what he did. Understood. But what's almost as uncomfortable to me is that the owner of this branding company has taken the troll/LOL stance when it comes to the accusations against the artist. Instead of receiving the same nuanced response as you just gave me, all we received from Nude beer can guy basically amounted to "too bad". The guy literally responded to me with "yawn". Those responses both minimize and normalize behavior that should not be minimized or normalized. Further, while Ben received the punishment the system handed to him that doesn't afford him the right not to have a stigma on him and his work. He'll need to earn that standing back. I understand it's his attorney talking but his own attorney tried to blame her placing a false equivalency here, her being upset equal to him busting her lip. Did Ben issue any kind of statement apologizing/condemning his actions other than his attorney simply asserting he was drunk? |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 24, 2020 17:49:00 GMT 1, As strong as your feelings are, the guy received and served the punishment our system handed down to him. As hard as it might seem, people make mistakes and our society operates a system that is meant to acknowledge that. And no, I don't agree with what he did. Understood. But what's almost as uncomfortable to me is that the owner of this branding company has taken the troll/LOL stance when it comes to the accusations against the artist. Instead of receiving the same nuanced response as you just gave me, all we received from Nude beer can guy basically amounted to "too bad". The guy literally responded to me with "yawn". Those responses both minimize and normalize behavior that should not be minimized or normalized. Further, while Ben received the punishment the system handed to him that doesn't afford him the right not to have a stigma on him and his work. He'll need to earn that standing back. I understand it's his attorney talking but his own attorney tried to blame her placing a false equivalency here, her being upset equal to him busting her lip. Did Ben issue any kind of statement apologizing/condemning his actions other than his attorney simply asserting he was drunk?
I believe the person who he needed to apologise to is the person he punched.
As strong as your feelings are, the guy received and served the punishment our system handed down to him. As hard as it might seem, people make mistakes and our society operates a system that is meant to acknowledge that. And no, I don't agree with what he did. Understood. But what's almost as uncomfortable to me is that the owner of this branding company has taken the troll/LOL stance when it comes to the accusations against the artist. Instead of receiving the same nuanced response as you just gave me, all we received from Nude beer can guy basically amounted to "too bad". The guy literally responded to me with "yawn". Those responses both minimize and normalize behavior that should not be minimized or normalized. Further, while Ben received the punishment the system handed to him that doesn't afford him the right not to have a stigma on him and his work. He'll need to earn that standing back. I understand it's his attorney talking but his own attorney tried to blame her placing a false equivalency here, her being upset equal to him busting her lip. Did Ben issue any kind of statement apologizing/condemning his actions other than his attorney simply asserting he was drunk? I believe the person who he needed to apologise to is the person he punched. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Dive Jedi on Jan 24, 2020 17:52:02 GMT 1, I do believe people should deserve a second chance after they have done their punishment.
And let's give the guy credit for helping to raise money for a good cause.
What puzzles me a bit is the choice to sign and sell alcohol....
Not only is that what got Ben in trouble in the first place, I think.
It's also the cause why many end up in a homeless shelter.
Could have done a print and raise the same or more cash.
I do believe people should deserve a second chance after they have done their punishment.
And let's give the guy credit for helping to raise money for a good cause.
What puzzles me a bit is the choice to sign and sell alcohol....
Not only is that what got Ben in trouble in the first place, I think.
It's also the cause why many end up in a homeless shelter.
Could have done a print and raise the same or more cash.
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 17:58:53 GMT 1, Understood. But what's almost as uncomfortable to me is that the owner of this branding company has taken the troll/LOL stance when it comes to the accusations against the artist. Instead of receiving the same nuanced response as you just gave me, all we received from Nude beer can guy basically amounted to "too bad". The guy literally responded to me with "yawn". Those responses both minimize and normalize behavior that should not be minimized or normalized. Further, while Ben received the punishment the system handed to him that doesn't afford him the right not to have a stigma on him and his work. He'll need to earn that standing back. I understand it's his attorney talking but his own attorney tried to blame her placing a false equivalency here, her being upset equal to him busting her lip. Did Ben issue any kind of statement apologizing/condemning his actions other than his attorney simply asserting he was drunk? I believe the person who he needed to apologise to is the person he punched.
Oh certainly he should apologize to her but for example Retna does this over and over again. Seemingly without remorse.
We have no idea if Ben thinks this is just something hilarious that got out of hand and "no big deal" like so many abusers do or if it was a situation that got out of control that he deeply regrets. Nor do we know how frequently this happens. Unfortunately for him, being an artist he's a bit of a public figure so without a public statement we can't know whether he thought it was no big deal or a massive mistake.
While he owes an apology to his hopefully ex-girlfriend a public statement might have been helpful here. Based on the attorney's stance it doesn't sound like there is much regret there which would leave him pretty worthy of the scorn being placed on him. Being given another opportunity is also earned and is mostly based on remorse usually.
Understood. But what's almost as uncomfortable to me is that the owner of this branding company has taken the troll/LOL stance when it comes to the accusations against the artist. Instead of receiving the same nuanced response as you just gave me, all we received from Nude beer can guy basically amounted to "too bad". The guy literally responded to me with "yawn". Those responses both minimize and normalize behavior that should not be minimized or normalized. Further, while Ben received the punishment the system handed to him that doesn't afford him the right not to have a stigma on him and his work. He'll need to earn that standing back. I understand it's his attorney talking but his own attorney tried to blame her placing a false equivalency here, her being upset equal to him busting her lip. Did Ben issue any kind of statement apologizing/condemning his actions other than his attorney simply asserting he was drunk? I believe the person who he needed to apologise to is the person he punched. Oh certainly he should apologize to her but for example Retna does this over and over again. Seemingly without remorse. We have no idea if Ben thinks this is just something hilarious that got out of hand and "no big deal" like so many abusers do or if it was a situation that got out of control that he deeply regrets. Nor do we know how frequently this happens. Unfortunately for him, being an artist he's a bit of a public figure so without a public statement we can't know whether he thought it was no big deal or a massive mistake. While he owes an apology to his hopefully ex-girlfriend a public statement might have been helpful here. Based on the attorney's stance it doesn't sound like there is much regret there which would leave him pretty worthy of the scorn being placed on him. Being given another opportunity is also earned and is mostly based on remorse usually. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by artylang on Jan 24, 2020 18:00:14 GMT 1, so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic. If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it...
so many text based artists that dont HIT WOMEN IN THE FACE IN PUBLIC. So pathetic. If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it... how about you eat a bag of dicks? |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Dive Jedi on Jan 24, 2020 18:05:55 GMT 1, If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it... how about you eat a bag of dicks?
If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it... how about you eat a bag of dicks? Really ? |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Happy Shopper on Jan 24, 2020 18:06:48 GMT 1, If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it... how about you eat a bag of dicks?
Haha. Classy, inteligent discussion.
If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it... how about you eat a bag of dicks? Haha. Classy, inteligent discussion. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 18:10:16 GMT 1, I do believe people should deserve a second chance after they have done their punishment. And let's give the guy credit for helping to raise money for a good cause. What puzzles me a bit is the choice to sign and sell alcohol.... Not only is that what got Ben in trouble in the first place, I think. It's also the cause why many end up in a homeless shelter. Could have done a print and raise the same or more cash.
I fully believe in second chances but in this case I don't know what's in his head. His attorney's defense was along the lines of well she was fighting and he was drunk. I didn't see any acknowledgement of deep regret there.
Yeah, alcohol is the cause of a lot of trouble. I'm no teetotaler and enjoy a good drink every now and again but man that stuff is really toxic for some people and can really destroy lives.
I know that a majority of this board is made up of men and that men don't always see the effects of domestic violence in the same frequency as women but 25% of women have been victim of domestic violence. That's one out of every four women you know. It takes a toll on the woman obviously but it also takes a toll on society. The only way it changes is if BOTH men and women speak out and demand better. And that sometimes means making sure that the second chance is earned, not just granted because some court doled out a punishment.
It's also why the OPs dismissiveness was really repulsive to me. Every voice that diminishes the effect of abuse perpetrates that "it's no big deal" mentality that so many abusers have.
I do believe people should deserve a second chance after they have done their punishment. And let's give the guy credit for helping to raise money for a good cause. What puzzles me a bit is the choice to sign and sell alcohol.... Not only is that what got Ben in trouble in the first place, I think. It's also the cause why many end up in a homeless shelter. Could have done a print and raise the same or more cash. I fully believe in second chances but in this case I don't know what's in his head. His attorney's defense was along the lines of well she was fighting and he was drunk. I didn't see any acknowledgement of deep regret there. Yeah, alcohol is the cause of a lot of trouble. I'm no teetotaler and enjoy a good drink every now and again but man that stuff is really toxic for some people and can really destroy lives. I know that a majority of this board is made up of men and that men don't always see the effects of domestic violence in the same frequency as women but 25% of women have been victim of domestic violence. That's one out of every four women you know. It takes a toll on the woman obviously but it also takes a toll on society. The only way it changes is if BOTH men and women speak out and demand better. And that sometimes means making sure that the second chance is earned, not just granted because some court doled out a punishment. It's also why the OPs dismissiveness was really repulsive to me. Every voice that diminishes the effect of abuse perpetrates that "it's no big deal" mentality that so many abusers have. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 18:13:18 GMT 1, I did not appreciate the personal attack on myself and the company that I work with (I am not the owner) and nor did I take some kind of troll / LOL stance at the accusations, it was annoying that people used this thread to express their feelings on his past, which obviously I don't condone.
No one cares you find it annoying and it's not at all obvious that you don't condone it based on your posts.
The company you work with chose to work with a domestic abuser. If nothing else your messaging on that should be better than "yawn" regardless of whether you believe that messaging.
I did not appreciate the personal attack on myself and the company that I work with (I am not the owner) and nor did I take some kind of troll / LOL stance at the accusations, it was annoying that people used this thread to express their feelings on his past, which obviously I don't condone. No one cares you find it annoying and it's not at all obvious that you don't condone it based on your posts. The company you work with chose to work with a domestic abuser. If nothing else your messaging on that should be better than "yawn" regardless of whether you believe that messaging. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 18:13:41 GMT 1, If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it... how about you eat a bag of dicks?
I second the motion.
If you donโt want one...donโt buy one...but kindly leave your opinions elsewhere dude...this is a charity based thread and donโt need people like you with comments like yours on it... how about you eat a bag of dicks? I second the motion. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Dive Jedi on Jan 24, 2020 18:24:21 GMT 1, I hear they are kinda good with a can of Eine beer.....
I hear they are kinda good with a can of Eine beer..... |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 18:28:45 GMT 1, I hear they are kinda good with a can of Eine beer.....
First hand knowledge I presume?
I hear they are kinda good with a can of Eine beer..... First hand knowledge I presume? |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 24, 2020 18:32:45 GMT 1, I believe the person who he needed to apologise to is the person he punched. Oh certainly he should apologize to her but for example Retna does this over and over again. Seemingly without remorse.ย We have no idea if Ben thinks this is just something hilarious that got out of hand and "no big deal" like so many abusers do or if it was a situation that got out of control that he deeply regrets. Nor do we know how frequently this happens. Unfortunately for him, being an artist he's a bit of a public figure so without a public statement we can't know whether he thought it was no big deal or a massive mistake. While he owes an apology to his hopefully ex-girlfriend a public statement might have been helpful here. Based on the attorney's stance it doesn't sound like there is much regret there which would leave him pretty worthy of the scorn being placed on him.ย Being given another opportunity is also earned and is mostly based on remorse usually.
He's a bit of a public figure because of his job. Outside of that he's entitled to a private life as much as anyone else. The case going to court means that everyone not directly involved have heard all they need to hear.
I understand he pleaded guilty so has accepted responsibility in the eyes of the law. It's not healthy for our society for people to speculate any more after that.
I believe the person who he needed to apologise to is the person he punched. Oh certainly he should apologize to her but for example Retna does this over and over again. Seemingly without remorse.ย We have no idea if Ben thinks this is just something hilarious that got out of hand and "no big deal" like so many abusers do or if it was a situation that got out of control that he deeply regrets. Nor do we know how frequently this happens. Unfortunately for him, being an artist he's a bit of a public figure so without a public statement we can't know whether he thought it was no big deal or a massive mistake. While he owes an apology to his hopefully ex-girlfriend a public statement might have been helpful here. Based on the attorney's stance it doesn't sound like there is much regret there which would leave him pretty worthy of the scorn being placed on him.ย Being given another opportunity is also earned and is mostly based on remorse usually. He's a bit of a public figure because of his job. Outside of that he's entitled to a private life as much as anyone else. The case going to court means that everyone not directly involved have heard all they need to hear. I understand he pleaded guilty so has accepted responsibility in the eyes of the law. It's not healthy for our society for people to speculate any more after that. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 18:45:06 GMT 1, He's a bit of a public figure because of his job. Outside of that he's entitled to a private life as much as anyone else. The case going to court means that everyone not directly involved have heard all they needs to hear. I understand he pleaded guilty so has accepted responsibility in the eyes of the law. It's not healthy for our society for people to speculate any more after that.
Certainly entitled to a private life but this spilled out into the public. It's certainly up to him whether to publicly address it or not.
It's really a weird thing though to say, ah it's unhealthy for society to speculate any further. All we know is all we know. All I know is he punched his girlfriend in the face, in public, at a gallery (basically at work). Knowing nothing else about how he feels about the matter besides his attorney's assertions it's my choice not to support him or his work in the absence of any further information. It's pretty common to judge people based on their actions. It's not unreasonable.
He's a bit of a public figure because of his job. Outside of that he's entitled to a private life as much as anyone else. The case going to court means that everyone not directly involved have heard all they needs to hear. I understand he pleaded guilty so has accepted responsibility in the eyes of the law. It's not healthy for our society for people to speculate any more after that. Certainly entitled to a private life but this spilled out into the public. It's certainly up to him whether to publicly address it or not. It's really a weird thing though to say, ah it's unhealthy for society to speculate any further. All we know is all we know. All I know is he punched his girlfriend in the face, in public, at a gallery (basically at work). Knowing nothing else about how he feels about the matter besides his attorney's assertions it's my choice not to support him or his work in the absence of any further information. It's pretty common to judge people based on their actions. It's not unreasonable. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 24, 2020 18:56:43 GMT 1, He's a bit of a public figure because of his job. Outside of that he's entitled to a private life as much as anyone else. The case going to court means that everyone not directly involved have heard all they needs to hear. I understand he pleaded guilty so has accepted responsibility in the eyes of the law. It's not healthy for our society for people to speculate any more after that. Certainly entitled to a private life but this spilled out into the public. It's certainly up to him whether to publicly address it or not. It's really a weird thing though to say, ah it's unhealthy for society to speculate any further. All we know is all we know. All I know is he punched his girlfriend in the face, in public, at a gallery (basically at work). Knowing nothing else about how he feels about the matter besides his attorney's assertions it's my choice not to support him or his work in the absence of any further information. It's pretty common to judge people based on their actions. It's not unreasonable.
Feel free to not support him and feel free to tell others you won't be if that's how strongly you feel.
What I personally don't feel comfortable with is people telling others how to treat him and people thinking that their opinion is more important than the laws our society have laid down. God forbid those people never fall foul of the law.
Sure, some crimes should prohibit you from working in some jobs, but once you've served your punishment you are still entitled to try and make an honest living.
He's a bit of a public figure because of his job. Outside of that he's entitled to a private life as much as anyone else. The case going to court means that everyone not directly involved have heard all they needs to hear. I understand he pleaded guilty so has accepted responsibility in the eyes of the law. It's not healthy for our society for people to speculate any more after that. Certainly entitled to a private life but this spilled out into the public. It's certainly up to him whether to publicly address it or not. It's really a weird thing though to say, ah it's unhealthy for society to speculate any further. All we know is all we know. All I know is he punched his girlfriend in the face, in public, at a gallery (basically at work). Knowing nothing else about how he feels about the matter besides his attorney's assertions it's my choice not to support him or his work in the absence of any further information. It's pretty common to judge people based on their actions. It's not unreasonable. Feel free to not support him and feel free to tell others you won't be if that's how strongly you feel. What I personally don't feel comfortable with is people telling others how to treat him and people thinking that their opinion is more important than the laws our society have laid down. God forbid those people never fall foul of the law. Sure, some crimes should prohibit you from working in some jobs, but once you've served your punishment you are still entitled to try and make an honest living. |
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skAcid
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by skAcid on Jan 24, 2020 18:58:02 GMT 1, Well done atomone for raising money for the homeless.
Well done atomone for raising money for the homeless. |
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pfffffffffft
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 19:15:07 GMT 1, Feel free to not support him and feel free to tell others you won't be if that's how strongly you feel. What I personally don't feel comfortable with is people telling others how to treat him and people thinking that their opinion is more important than the laws our society have laid down. God forbid those people never fall foul of the law. Sure, some crimes should prohibit you from working in some jobs, but once you've served your punishment you are still entitled to try and make an honest living.
I didn't tell anyone else how to treat him. I gave my opinion, forcefully. You're making a lot of other assumptions based on what I wrote.
The application of the laws by society, and the punishment brought by the law, doesn't fully absolve people from their actions. We don't celebrate rapists when they are released from prison if they are not remorseful for their actions. We don't celebrate drunk drivers when they are released from prison if they equally blame the bartender that gave them the drink for killing that guy crossing the street even though they chose to drive themselves home. Those are drastic examples but essentially you are suggesting that once they've done their time all is forgiven, regardless of intent and/or remorse. Remorse matters in terms of redemption and second chances, both legally and in societal norms.
He's still entitled to try and make an honest living, he's not entitled to his standing simply because he's pled guilty and he's an artist.
Feel free to not support him and feel free to tell others you won't be if that's how strongly you feel. What I personally don't feel comfortable with is people telling others how to treat him and people thinking that their opinion is more important than the laws our society have laid down. God forbid those people never fall foul of the law. Sure, some crimes should prohibit you from working in some jobs, but once you've served your punishment you are still entitled to try and make an honest living. I didn't tell anyone else how to treat him. I gave my opinion, forcefully. You're making a lot of other assumptions based on what I wrote. The application of the laws by society, and the punishment brought by the law, doesn't fully absolve people from their actions. We don't celebrate rapists when they are released from prison if they are not remorseful for their actions. We don't celebrate drunk drivers when they are released from prison if they equally blame the bartender that gave them the drink for killing that guy crossing the street even though they chose to drive themselves home. Those are drastic examples but essentially you are suggesting that once they've done their time all is forgiven, regardless of intent and/or remorse. Remorse matters in terms of redemption and second chances, both legally and in societal norms. He's still entitled to try and make an honest living, he's not entitled to his standing simply because he's pled guilty and he's an artist. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 24, 2020 19:38:26 GMT 1, Feel free to not support him and feel free to tell others you won't be if that's how strongly you feel. What I personally don't feel comfortable with is people telling others how to treat him and people thinking that their opinion is more important than the laws our society have laid down. God forbid those people never fall foul of the law. Sure, some crimes should prohibit you from working in some jobs, but once you've served your punishment you are still entitled to try and make an honest living. I didn't tell anyone else how to treat him. I gave my opinion, forcefully. You're making a lot of other assumptions based on what I wrote. The application of the laws by society, and the punishment brought by the law, doesn't fully absolve people from their actions. We don't celebrate rapists when they are released from prison if they are not remorseful for their actions. We don't celebrate drunk drivers when they are released from prison if they equally blame the bartender that gave them the drink for killing that guy crossing the street even though they chose to drive themselves home. Those are drastic examples but essentially you are suggesting that once they've done their time all is forgiven, regardless of intent and/or remorse. Remorse matters in terms of redemption and second chances, both legally and in societal norms. He's still entitled to try and make an honest living, he's not entitled to his standing simply because he's pled guilty and he's an artist.
You're castigating others for choosing to work with him. It's not your place to do that.
Do you know that he hasn't shown remorse? Or is just not enough public remorse for your liking?
His standing is not an entitlement and never has been. He is dependent on customers. Some will choose not to support him going forwards. Others will accept that people make mistakes and still appreciate that he has artistic talent. My guess is that he has to work harder now.
None of us are infallible. Many of us have demons that we struggle to control. We all have to live with the consequences of our actions.
Feel free to not support him and feel free to tell others you won't be if that's how strongly you feel. What I personally don't feel comfortable with is people telling others how to treat him and people thinking that their opinion is more important than the laws our society have laid down. God forbid those people never fall foul of the law. Sure, some crimes should prohibit you from working in some jobs, but once you've served your punishment you are still entitled to try and make an honest living. I didn't tell anyone else how to treat him. I gave my opinion, forcefully. You're making a lot of other assumptions based on what I wrote. The application of the laws by society, and the punishment brought by the law, doesn't fully absolve people from their actions. We don't celebrate rapists when they are released from prison if they are not remorseful for their actions. We don't celebrate drunk drivers when they are released from prison if they equally blame the bartender that gave them the drink for killing that guy crossing the street even though they chose to drive themselves home. Those are drastic examples but essentially you are suggesting that once they've done their time all is forgiven, regardless of intent and/or remorse. Remorse matters in terms of redemption and second chances, both legally and in societal norms. He's still entitled to try and make an honest living, he's not entitled to his standing simply because he's pled guilty and he's an artist. You're castigating others for choosing to work with him. It's not your place to do that. Do you know that he hasn't shown remorse? Or is just not enough public remorse for your liking? His standing is not an entitlement and never has been. He is dependent on customers. Some will choose not to support him going forwards. Others will accept that people make mistakes and still appreciate that he has artistic talent. My guess is that he has to work harder now. None of us are infallible. Many of us have demons that we struggle to control. We all have to live with the consequences of our actions. |
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pfffffffffft
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 19:58:14 GMT 1, You're castigating others for choosing to work with him. It's not your place to do that. Do you know that he hasn't shown remorse? Or is just not enough public remorse for your liking? His standing is not an entitlement and never has been. He is dependent on customers. Some will choose not to support him going forwards. Others will accept that people make mistakes and still appreciate that he has artistic talent. My guess is that he has to work harder now. None of us are infallible. Many of us have demons that we struggle to control. We all have to live with the consequences of our actions.
Why is it not my place or your place or any of our places? Silence, and acceptance, and normalization is part of the problem. If not for putting people on blast people would still be working with people like Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein.
How do you know he has? He may have shown remorse to himself in the mirror for all I know. But I also know the way the world works. If I did something like this in my industry and it hit the papers then I would struggle getting work but it would both be important to me as a person and the prospect of future employment to issue a public statement.
And yes, there are consequences. Beyond legal consequences thus there is a societal need to know that people who make mistakes as grave as these understand their actions were wrong.
No one is suggesting he, or any of us, need to be perfect but something as grave as violence against women shouldn't be given a pass and a shrug simply because the perpetrator got probation and therefore fulfilled his legal requirements.
You're castigating others for choosing to work with him. It's not your place to do that. Do you know that he hasn't shown remorse? Or is just not enough public remorse for your liking? His standing is not an entitlement and never has been. He is dependent on customers. Some will choose not to support him going forwards. Others will accept that people make mistakes and still appreciate that he has artistic talent. My guess is that he has to work harder now. None of us are infallible. Many of us have demons that we struggle to control. We all have to live with the consequences of our actions. Why is it not my place or your place or any of our places? Silence, and acceptance, and normalization is part of the problem. If not for putting people on blast people would still be working with people like Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein. How do you know he has? He may have shown remorse to himself in the mirror for all I know. But I also know the way the world works. If I did something like this in my industry and it hit the papers then I would struggle getting work but it would both be important to me as a person and the prospect of future employment to issue a public statement. And yes, there are consequences. Beyond legal consequences thus there is a societal need to know that people who make mistakes as grave as these understand their actions were wrong. No one is suggesting he, or any of us, need to be perfect but something as grave as violence against women shouldn't be given a pass and a shrug simply because the perpetrator got probation and therefore fulfilled his legal requirements. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by The Rat King on Jan 24, 2020 20:21:49 GMT 1, Eine signing a beer can is a pretty poor choice Such negative connotations .
Eine signing a beer can is a pretty poor choice Such negative connotations .
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 24, 2020 20:38:59 GMT 1, You're castigating others for choosing to work with him. It's not your place to do that. Do you know that he hasn't shown remorse? Or is just not enough public remorse for your liking? His standing is not an entitlement and never has been. He is dependent on customers. Some will choose not to support him going forwards. Others will accept that people make mistakes and still appreciate that he has artistic talent. My guess is that he has to work harder now. None of us are infallible. Many of us have demons that we struggle to control. We all have to live with the consequences of our actions. Why is it not my place or your place or any of our places? Silence, and acceptance, and normalization is part of the problem. If not for putting people on blast people would still be working with people like Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein.ย How do you know he has? He may have shown remorse to himself in the mirror for all I know. But I also know the way the world works. If I did something like this in my industry and it hit the papers then I would struggle getting work but it would both be important to me as a person and the prospect of future employment to issue a public statement.ย And yes, there are consequences. Beyond legal consequences thus there is a societal need to know that people who make mistakes as grave as these understand their actions were wrong.ย No one is suggesting he, or any of us, need to be perfect but something as grave as violence against women shouldn't be given a pass and a shrug simply because the perpetrator got probation and therefore fulfilled his legal requirements.
It's not the place of anyone who doesn't know all the facts.
No one is being silent or accepting or normalizing.
I probably know a little bit more than some and a lot less than others.
How do you know whether or not he is struggling to get work?
You deal with things differently. Well done.
The societal need was dealt with.
No one is giving him a pass.
You're castigating others for choosing to work with him. It's not your place to do that. Do you know that he hasn't shown remorse? Or is just not enough public remorse for your liking? His standing is not an entitlement and never has been. He is dependent on customers. Some will choose not to support him going forwards. Others will accept that people make mistakes and still appreciate that he has artistic talent. My guess is that he has to work harder now. None of us are infallible. Many of us have demons that we struggle to control. We all have to live with the consequences of our actions. Why is it not my place or your place or any of our places? Silence, and acceptance, and normalization is part of the problem. If not for putting people on blast people would still be working with people like Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein.ย How do you know he has? He may have shown remorse to himself in the mirror for all I know. But I also know the way the world works. If I did something like this in my industry and it hit the papers then I would struggle getting work but it would both be important to me as a person and the prospect of future employment to issue a public statement.ย And yes, there are consequences. Beyond legal consequences thus there is a societal need to know that people who make mistakes as grave as these understand their actions were wrong.ย No one is suggesting he, or any of us, need to be perfect but something as grave as violence against women shouldn't be given a pass and a shrug simply because the perpetrator got probation and therefore fulfilled his legal requirements. It's not the place of anyone who doesn't know all the facts. No one is being silent or accepting or normalizing. I probably know a little bit more than some and a lot less than others. How do you know whether or not he is struggling to get work? You deal with things differently. Well done. The societal need was dealt with. No one is giving him a pass. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 21:01:09 GMT 1, No one is being silent or accepting or normalizing. I probably know a little bit more than some and a lot less than others. How do you know whether or not he is struggling to get work? You deal with things differently. Well done. The societal need was dealt with. No one is giving him a pass.
There are plenty of people who don't know every single fact on all sorts of things that still have an opinion on them.
Suggesting that he's paid his price to society because the court said so, move along, IS being accepting.
No one said HE was struggling to get work, I said if I were in the same situation I would be. It would be important to me personally and for my career to set the record straight. Apparently he does not feel the same and that's his choice.
Who are you to say the societal need was met? The legal need was met. They are not the same.
No one is being silent or accepting or normalizing. I probably know a little bit more than some and a lot less than others. How do you know whether or not he is struggling to get work? You deal with things differently. Well done. The societal need was dealt with. No one is giving him a pass. There are plenty of people who don't know every single fact on all sorts of things that still have an opinion on them. Suggesting that he's paid his price to society because the court said so, move along, IS being accepting. No one said HE was struggling to get work, I said if I were in the same situation I would be. It would be important to me personally and for my career to set the record straight. Apparently he does not feel the same and that's his choice. Who are you to say the societal need was met? The legal need was met. They are not the same. |
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