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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by iamzero on Jan 24, 2020 21:32:15 GMT 1, Where do you buy a bag of dicks? Asking for a friend.
Where do you buy a bag of dicks? Asking for a friend.
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 24, 2020 22:24:45 GMT 1, No one is being silent or accepting or normalizing. I probably know a little bit more than some and a lot less than others. How do you know whether or not he is struggling to get work? You deal with things differently. Well done. The societal need was dealt with. No one is giving him a pass. There are plenty of people who don't know every single fact on all sorts of things that still have an opinion on them. Suggesting that he's paid his price to society because the court said so, move along, IS being accepting. No one said HE was struggling to get work, I said if I were in the same situation I would be. It would be important to me personally and for my career to set the record straight. Apparently he does not feel the same and that's his choice. Who are you to say the societal need was met? The legal need was met. They are not the same.
You're entitled to an opinion but unless you know the full story you shouldn't be directly trying to influence the opinion of others.
You've implied in this thread that he was involved in domestic abuse. He wasn't. It's dangerous that you do that. He was convicted of assault. Whilst both are pretty serious, there is a significant difference.
Unfortunately, there are people who flip and lash out at others. Sometimes there's a reason they can justify to themselves as to why they snap. It's often misconceived. A simple moment of madness. It's not calculated and it's not designed to be controlling or coercive. Some people are volatile. Some people recognise that they are and act. Others don't until it is too late.
I hear your concerns about remorse, but that's a very personal thing. Showing it in public proves nothing. Apologising to the people you've hurt and meaning it by changing the person you are is what matters.
No one is being silent or accepting or normalizing. I probably know a little bit more than some and a lot less than others. How do you know whether or not he is struggling to get work? You deal with things differently. Well done. The societal need was dealt with. No one is giving him a pass. There are plenty of people who don't know every single fact on all sorts of things that still have an opinion on them. Suggesting that he's paid his price to society because the court said so, move along, IS being accepting. No one said HE was struggling to get work, I said if I were in the same situation I would be. It would be important to me personally and for my career to set the record straight. Apparently he does not feel the same and that's his choice. Who are you to say the societal need was met? The legal need was met. They are not the same. You're entitled to an opinion but unless you know the full story you shouldn't be directly trying to influence the opinion of others. You've implied in this thread that he was involved in domestic abuse. He wasn't. It's dangerous that you do that. He was convicted of assault. Whilst both are pretty serious, there is a significant difference. Unfortunately, there are people who flip and lash out at others. Sometimes there's a reason they can justify to themselves as to why they snap. It's often misconceived. A simple moment of madness. It's not calculated and it's not designed to be controlling or coercive. Some people are volatile. Some people recognise that they are and act. Others don't until it is too late. I hear your concerns about remorse, but that's a very personal thing. Showing it in public proves nothing. Apologising to the people you've hurt and meaning it by changing the person you are is what matters. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 22:35:07 GMT 1, You're entitled to an opinion but unless you know the full story you shouldn't be directly trying to influence the opinion of others. You've implied in this thread that he was involved in domestic abuse. He wasn't. It's dangerous that you do that. He was convicted of assault. Whilst both are pretty serious, there is a significant difference. Unfortunately, there are people who flip and lash out at others. Sometimes there's a reason they can justify to themselves as to why they snap. It's often misconceived. A simple moment of madness. It's not calculated and it's not designed to be controlling or coercive. Some people are volatile. Some people recognise that they are and act. Others don't until it is too late. I hear your concerns about remorse, but that's a very personal thing. Showing it in public proves nothing. Apologising to the people you've hurt and meaning it by changing the person you are is what matters.
Do you think domestic abuse can only happen at the home? HE PUNCHED HIS SIGNIFICANT OTHER IN HER MOUTH AND PLEAD GUILTY. It doesn't matter WHERE he did it, it's still domestic abuse based on WHO he punched.
And since you don't know the full story either perhaps you shouldn't be trying to influence anyone else yourself. This could be a weekly event for all you know. This may just be the one time it was caught in the media.
We're done, you're literally twisting yourself in knots to defend a guy who punched a woman in the mouth, in public. Shame on you.
You're entitled to an opinion but unless you know the full story you shouldn't be directly trying to influence the opinion of others. You've implied in this thread that he was involved in domestic abuse. He wasn't. It's dangerous that you do that. He was convicted of assault. Whilst both are pretty serious, there is a significant difference. Unfortunately, there are people who flip and lash out at others. Sometimes there's a reason they can justify to themselves as to why they snap. It's often misconceived. A simple moment of madness. It's not calculated and it's not designed to be controlling or coercive. Some people are volatile. Some people recognise that they are and act. Others don't until it is too late. I hear your concerns about remorse, but that's a very personal thing. Showing it in public proves nothing. Apologising to the people you've hurt and meaning it by changing the person you are is what matters. Do you think domestic abuse can only happen at the home? HE PUNCHED HIS SIGNIFICANT OTHER IN HER MOUTH AND PLEAD GUILTY. It doesn't matter WHERE he did it, it's still domestic abuse based on WHO he punched. And since you don't know the full story either perhaps you shouldn't be trying to influence anyone else yourself. This could be a weekly event for all you know. This may just be the one time it was caught in the media. We're done, you're literally twisting yourself in knots to defend a guy who punched a woman in the mouth, in public. Shame on you. |
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rodgro
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by rodgro on Jan 24, 2020 23:00:08 GMT 1, Don’t want to get involved in the back and forth but regarding the reason for the post which was “CHARITY” there’s always the option of passing on the beer cans and simply making a donation. I do however wonder how many people who own his work, including myself, will consider parting with it because of this incident? Personally speaking I genuinely love his work but as someone with a wife, daughter, mother, grandmother and so on I find it a bit difficult enjoying the pieces hanging in my home at the moment as the image of him blasting a woman in the face keeps popping into my mind and for the record it’s completely irrelevant to me if he does or does not have remorse or if this is his 1st or 20th time doing something like this nor does his celebrity or talent factor into my feelings on the matter.
Don’t want to get involved in the back and forth but regarding the reason for the post which was “CHARITY” there’s always the option of passing on the beer cans and simply making a donation. I do however wonder how many people who own his work, including myself, will consider parting with it because of this incident? Personally speaking I genuinely love his work but as someone with a wife, daughter, mother, grandmother and so on I find it a bit difficult enjoying the pieces hanging in my home at the moment as the image of him blasting a woman in the face keeps popping into my mind and for the record it’s completely irrelevant to me if he does or does not have remorse or if this is his 1st or 20th time doing something like this nor does his celebrity or talent factor into my feelings on the matter.
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 24, 2020 23:05:34 GMT 1, You're entitled to an opinion but unless you know the full story you shouldn't be directly trying to influence the opinion of others. You've implied in this thread that he was involved in domestic abuse. He wasn't. It's dangerous that you do that. He was convicted of assault. Whilst both are pretty serious, there is a significant difference. Unfortunately, there are people who flip and lash out at others. Sometimes there's a reason they can justify to themselves as to why they snap. It's often misconceived. A simple moment of madness. It's not calculated and it's not designed to be controlling or coercive. Some people are volatile. Some people recognise that they are and act. Others don't until it is too late. I hear your concerns about remorse, but that's a very personal thing. Showing it in public proves nothing. Apologising to the people you've hurt and meaning it by changing the person you are is what matters. Do you think domestic abuse can only happen at the home? HE PUNCHED HIS SIGNIFICANT OTHER IN HER MOUTH AND PLEAD GUILTY. It doesn't matter WHERE he did it, it's still domestic abuse based on WHO he punched. And since you don't know the full story either perhaps you shouldn't be trying to influence anyone else yourself. This could be a weekly event for all you know. This is just the one time it was caught in the media. We're done, you're literally twisting yourself in knots to defend a guy who punched a woman in the mouth, in public. Shame on you.
There's no evidence of it being a weekly event and you trying to paint the picture that it is, is again dangerous.
Looking at another thread you only found out about the event today and you've concluded from that and a few not very well thought through comments from others that the guy is a serial violent offender.
You're entitled to an opinion but unless you know the full story you shouldn't be directly trying to influence the opinion of others. You've implied in this thread that he was involved in domestic abuse. He wasn't. It's dangerous that you do that. He was convicted of assault. Whilst both are pretty serious, there is a significant difference. Unfortunately, there are people who flip and lash out at others. Sometimes there's a reason they can justify to themselves as to why they snap. It's often misconceived. A simple moment of madness. It's not calculated and it's not designed to be controlling or coercive. Some people are volatile. Some people recognise that they are and act. Others don't until it is too late. I hear your concerns about remorse, but that's a very personal thing. Showing it in public proves nothing. Apologising to the people you've hurt and meaning it by changing the person you are is what matters. Do you think domestic abuse can only happen at the home? HE PUNCHED HIS SIGNIFICANT OTHER IN HER MOUTH AND PLEAD GUILTY. It doesn't matter WHERE he did it, it's still domestic abuse based on WHO he punched. And since you don't know the full story either perhaps you shouldn't be trying to influence anyone else yourself. This could be a weekly event for all you know. This is just the one time it was caught in the media. We're done, you're literally twisting yourself in knots to defend a guy who punched a woman in the mouth, in public. Shame on you. There's no evidence of it being a weekly event and you trying to paint the picture that it is, is again dangerous. Looking at another thread you only found out about the event today and you've concluded from that and a few not very well thought through comments from others that the guy is a serial violent offender. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 23:17:00 GMT 1, There's no evidence of it being a weekly event and you trying to paint the picture that it is, is again dangerous. Looking at another thread you only found out about the event today and you've concluded from that and a few not very well thought through comments from others that the guy is a serial violent offender.
I didn't paint any picture. I certainly didn't say he's a serial offender either. That said, typically if a guy crosses that line at his age it's more likely than not it's not the first time.
The point is you don't know all the facts either. You don't even know what qualifies as domestic abuse. The rank hypocrisy it takes to scold me and others to not make a judgement based on the facts we *do* know while simultaneously demanding we make a judgment based on some of your assumptions which don't seem to be grounded in *all* the facts either is absurd.
Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not try to sway opinion without knowing all of the facts.
Again, shame on you.
There's no evidence of it being a weekly event and you trying to paint the picture that it is, is again dangerous. Looking at another thread you only found out about the event today and you've concluded from that and a few not very well thought through comments from others that the guy is a serial violent offender. I didn't paint any picture. I certainly didn't say he's a serial offender either. That said, typically if a guy crosses that line at his age it's more likely than not it's not the first time. The point is you don't know all the facts either. You don't even know what qualifies as domestic abuse. The rank hypocrisy it takes to scold me and others to not make a judgement based on the facts we *do* know while simultaneously demanding we make a judgment based on some of your assumptions which don't seem to be grounded in *all* the facts either is absurd. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not try to sway opinion without knowing all of the facts. Again, shame on you. |
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.dappy
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by .dappy on Jan 24, 2020 23:36:15 GMT 1, ... "She said she was trying to fix her glasses when he came up behind her. “He punched me in the face … in the mouth with a clenched fist, with some force”, she said. “I was bleeding from the mouth.”
Prosecutor Jonathan Bryan told the court Eine, of Bermondsey, “had been drinking”. London-born Eine, a twice-married father of seven, pleaded guilty yesterday to assault by beating and criminal damage.
... "She said she was trying to fix her glasses when he came up behind her. “He punched me in the face … in the mouth with a clenched fist, with some force”, she said. “I was bleeding from the mouth.”
Prosecutor Jonathan Bryan told the court Eine, of Bermondsey, “had been drinking”. London-born Eine, a twice-married father of seven, pleaded guilty yesterday to assault by beating and criminal damage.
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 24, 2020 23:50:45 GMT 1, There's no evidence of it being a weekly event and you trying to paint the picture that it is, is again dangerous. Looking at another thread you only found out about the event today and you've concluded from that and a few not very well thought through comments from others that the guy is a serial violent offender. I didn't paint any picture. I certainly didn't say he's a serial offender either. That said, typically if a guy crosses that line at his age it's more likely than not it's not the first time. The point is you don't know all the facts either. You don't even know what qualifies as domestic abuse. The rank hypocrisy it takes to scold me and others to not make a judgement based on the facts we *do* know while simultaneously demanding we make a judgment based on some of your assumptions which don't seem to be grounded in *all* the facts either is absurd. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not try to sway opinion without knowing all of the facts. Again, shame on you.
Can you point me in the direction of the proof that the CPS considered it and brought it forward as a domestic abuse case? My understanding, and I may be wrong because I wasn't at the trial is that it wasn't. Yes he hit his partner. Yes, he committed assault. But there are other factors which needed to be and were considered.
There's no evidence of it being a weekly event and you trying to paint the picture that it is, is again dangerous. Looking at another thread you only found out about the event today and you've concluded from that and a few not very well thought through comments from others that the guy is a serial violent offender. I didn't paint any picture. I certainly didn't say he's a serial offender either. That said, typically if a guy crosses that line at his age it's more likely than not it's not the first time. The point is you don't know all the facts either. You don't even know what qualifies as domestic abuse. The rank hypocrisy it takes to scold me and others to not make a judgement based on the facts we *do* know while simultaneously demanding we make a judgment based on some of your assumptions which don't seem to be grounded in *all* the facts either is absurd. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not try to sway opinion without knowing all of the facts. Again, shame on you. Can you point me in the direction of the proof that the CPS considered it and brought it forward as a domestic abuse case? My understanding, and I may be wrong because I wasn't at the trial is that it wasn't. Yes he hit his partner. Yes, he committed assault. But there are other factors which needed to be and were considered. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by .dappy on Jan 24, 2020 23:59:06 GMT 1, I didn't paint any picture. I certainly didn't say he's a serial offender either. That said, typically if a guy crosses that line at his age it's more likely than not it's not the first time. The point is you don't know all the facts either. You don't even know what qualifies as domestic abuse. The rank hypocrisy it takes to scold me and others to not make a judgement based on the facts we *do* know while simultaneously demanding we make a judgment based on some of your assumptions which don't seem to be grounded in *all* the facts either is absurd. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not try to sway opinion without knowing all of the facts. Again, shame on you. Can you point me in the direction of the proof that the CPS considered it and brought it forward as a domestic abuse case? My understanding, and I may be wrong because I wasn't at the trial is that it wasn't. Yes he hit his partner. Yes, he committed assault. But there are other factors which needed to be and were considered.
... the charges brought against him where those he pleaded guilty to ... a restraining order was also issued against him as part of the sentencing ...
I didn't paint any picture. I certainly didn't say he's a serial offender either. That said, typically if a guy crosses that line at his age it's more likely than not it's not the first time. The point is you don't know all the facts either. You don't even know what qualifies as domestic abuse. The rank hypocrisy it takes to scold me and others to not make a judgement based on the facts we *do* know while simultaneously demanding we make a judgment based on some of your assumptions which don't seem to be grounded in *all* the facts either is absurd. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not try to sway opinion without knowing all of the facts. Again, shame on you. Can you point me in the direction of the proof that the CPS considered it and brought it forward as a domestic abuse case? My understanding, and I may be wrong because I wasn't at the trial is that it wasn't. Yes he hit his partner. Yes, he committed assault. But there are other factors which needed to be and were considered. ... the charges brought against him where those he pleaded guilty to ... a restraining order was also issued against him as part of the sentencing ... |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by Daylight Robber on Jan 25, 2020 0:05:35 GMT 1, Can you point me in the direction of the proof that the CPS considered it and brought it forward as a domestic abuse case? My understanding, and I may be wrong because I wasn't at the trial is that it wasn't. Yes he hit his partner. Yes, he committed assault. But there are other factors which needed to be and were considered. ... the charges brought against him where those he pleaded guilty to ... a restraining order was also issued against him as part of the sentencing ...
Yep. I don't believe he contested any charges.
Can you point me in the direction of the proof that the CPS considered it and brought it forward as a domestic abuse case? My understanding, and I may be wrong because I wasn't at the trial is that it wasn't. Yes he hit his partner. Yes, he committed assault. But there are other factors which needed to be and were considered. ... the charges brought against him where those he pleaded guilty to ... a restraining order was also issued against him as part of the sentencing ... Yep. I don't believe he contested any charges. |
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EINE 'NUDE' Signed Beer Cans for Charity, by blerd on Jan 25, 2020 0:27:17 GMT 1, I didn't paint any picture. I certainly didn't say he's a serial offender either. That said, typically if a guy crosses that line at his age it's more likely than not it's not the first time. The point is you don't know all the facts either. You don't even know what qualifies as domestic abuse. The rank hypocrisy it takes to scold me and others to not make a judgement based on the facts we *do* know while simultaneously demanding we make a judgment based on some of your assumptions which don't seem to be grounded in *all* the facts either is absurd. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not try to sway opinion without knowing all of the facts. Again, shame on you. Can you point me in the direction of the proof that the CPS considered it and brought it forward as a domestic abuse case? My understanding, and I may be wrong because I wasn't at the trial is that it wasn't. Yes he hit his partner. Yes, he committed assault. But there are other factors which needed to be and were considered.
I didn't paint any picture. I certainly didn't say he's a serial offender either. That said, typically if a guy crosses that line at his age it's more likely than not it's not the first time. The point is you don't know all the facts either. You don't even know what qualifies as domestic abuse. The rank hypocrisy it takes to scold me and others to not make a judgement based on the facts we *do* know while simultaneously demanding we make a judgment based on some of your assumptions which don't seem to be grounded in *all* the facts either is absurd. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not try to sway opinion without knowing all of the facts. Again, shame on you. Can you point me in the direction of the proof that the CPS considered it and brought it forward as a domestic abuse case? My understanding, and I may be wrong because I wasn't at the trial is that it wasn't. Yes he hit his partner. Yes, he committed assault. But there are other factors which needed to be and were considered. He beats women, a women beater. Horrible and abhorrent. IMO. |
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