Riotcops
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Gallery Fakes, by Riotcops on Feb 3, 2020 20:09:07 GMT 1, Curious if anyone has any horror stories, called out galleries for selling fakes etc and what happened next?
I have been after a print for 1.5 years (losing out at two auctions) and finally sourced one at the low end price on the spectrum (still a decent chunk of change) from a gallery in Italy. There were a few red flags with the print (outside edition, signature iffy, placement of # and signature compared to others). I questioned and received limited responses, provenance was decent from a wealthy families private collection and they had an invoice from another gallery in 2013.
Anyways, I went with my gut and contacted whoever I could to get in touch with the artist for authentication. I heard back today after a week of back and fourths it is indeed a fake and I was advised not to buy it. Awaiting a response from the gallery to hear what they have to say, I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now and assume they didn't know. I will keep my eye and see if the works is still offered and will publish all names, Galleries and the print in question shortly if I feel necessary.
Anyone else?
Curious if anyone has any horror stories, called out galleries for selling fakes etc and what happened next?
I have been after a print for 1.5 years (losing out at two auctions) and finally sourced one at the low end price on the spectrum (still a decent chunk of change) from a gallery in Italy. There were a few red flags with the print (outside edition, signature iffy, placement of # and signature compared to others). I questioned and received limited responses, provenance was decent from a wealthy families private collection and they had an invoice from another gallery in 2013.
Anyways, I went with my gut and contacted whoever I could to get in touch with the artist for authentication. I heard back today after a week of back and fourths it is indeed a fake and I was advised not to buy it. Awaiting a response from the gallery to hear what they have to say, I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now and assume they didn't know. I will keep my eye and see if the works is still offered and will publish all names, Galleries and the print in question shortly if I feel necessary.
Anyone else?
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casey999
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Gallery Fakes, by casey999 on Feb 3, 2020 20:46:28 GMT 1, Curious if anyone has any horror stories, called out galleries for selling fakes etc and what happened next? I have been after a print for 1.5 years (losing out at two auctions) and finally sourced one at the low end price on the spectrum (still a decent chunk of change) from a gallery in Italy. There were a few red flags with the print (outside edition, signature iffy, placement of # and signature compared to others). I questioned and received limited responses, provenance was decent from a wealthy families private collection and they had an invoice from another gallery in 2013. Anyways, I went with my gut and contacted whoever I could to get in touch with the artist for authentication. I heard back today after a week of back and fourths it is indeed a fake and I was advised not to buy it. Awaiting a response from the gallery to hear what they have to say, I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now and assume they didn't know. I will keep my eye and see if the works is still offered and will publish all names, Galleries and the print in question shortly if I feel necessary. Anyone else?
Was it these they have a load of Banksy fakes told them last week
Crooks
Ingenito Nuovo Vettoriale senza sedi per mail
Andrea Ingenito Contemporary Art
Via Cappella Vecchia, 8/A - 80121 NAPOLI
T: +39 081.0490829
Via Privata Massimiano, 25 - 20134 MILANO
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www-ai-ca.com
Curious if anyone has any horror stories, called out galleries for selling fakes etc and what happened next? I have been after a print for 1.5 years (losing out at two auctions) and finally sourced one at the low end price on the spectrum (still a decent chunk of change) from a gallery in Italy. There were a few red flags with the print (outside edition, signature iffy, placement of # and signature compared to others). I questioned and received limited responses, provenance was decent from a wealthy families private collection and they had an invoice from another gallery in 2013. Anyways, I went with my gut and contacted whoever I could to get in touch with the artist for authentication. I heard back today after a week of back and fourths it is indeed a fake and I was advised not to buy it. Awaiting a response from the gallery to hear what they have to say, I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now and assume they didn't know. I will keep my eye and see if the works is still offered and will publish all names, Galleries and the print in question shortly if I feel necessary. Anyone else? Was it these they have a load of Banksy fakes told them last week Crooks Ingenito Nuovo Vettoriale senza sedi per mail Andrea Ingenito Contemporary Art Via Cappella Vecchia, 8/A - 80121 NAPOLI T: +39 081.0490829 Via Privata Massimiano, 25 - 20134 MILANO T: +39 02.36798346 www-ai-ca.com |
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Riotcops
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Gallery Fakes, by Riotcops on Feb 3, 2020 21:29:13 GMT 1, Curious if anyone has any horror stories, called out galleries for selling fakes etc and what happened next? I have been after a print for 1.5 years (losing out at two auctions) and finally sourced one at the low end price on the spectrum (still a decent chunk of change) from a gallery in Italy. There were a few red flags with the print (outside edition, signature iffy, placement of # and signature compared to others). I questioned and received limited responses, provenance was decent from a wealthy families private collection and they had an invoice from another gallery in 2013. Anyways, I went with my gut and contacted whoever I could to get in touch with the artist for authentication. I heard back today after a week of back and fourths it is indeed a fake and I was advised not to buy it. Awaiting a response from the gallery to hear what they have to say, I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now and assume they didn't know. I will keep my eye and see if the works is still offered and will publish all names, Galleries and the print in question shortly if I feel necessary. Anyone else? Was it these they have a load of Banksy fakes told them last week Crooks Ingenito Nuovo Vettoriale senza sedi per mail Andrea Ingenito Contemporary Art Via Cappella Vecchia, 8/A - 80121 NAPOLI T: +39 081.0490829 Via Privata Massimiano, 25 - 20134 MILANO T: +39 02.36798346 www-ai-ca.com
Curious if anyone has any horror stories, called out galleries for selling fakes etc and what happened next? I have been after a print for 1.5 years (losing out at two auctions) and finally sourced one at the low end price on the spectrum (still a decent chunk of change) from a gallery in Italy. There were a few red flags with the print (outside edition, signature iffy, placement of # and signature compared to others). I questioned and received limited responses, provenance was decent from a wealthy families private collection and they had an invoice from another gallery in 2013. Anyways, I went with my gut and contacted whoever I could to get in touch with the artist for authentication. I heard back today after a week of back and fourths it is indeed a fake and I was advised not to buy it. Awaiting a response from the gallery to hear what they have to say, I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now and assume they didn't know. I will keep my eye and see if the works is still offered and will publish all names, Galleries and the print in question shortly if I feel necessary. Anyone else? Was it these they have a load of Banksy fakes told them last week Crooks Ingenito Nuovo Vettoriale senza sedi per mail Andrea Ingenito Contemporary Art Via Cappella Vecchia, 8/A - 80121 NAPOLI T: +39 081.0490829 Via Privata Massimiano, 25 - 20134 MILANO T: +39 02.36798346 www-ai-ca.comHa, yes it is them!! Except it wasn't a Banksy piece. The plot thickens. Thanks for this. |
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LJCal
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Gallery Fakes, by LJCal on Feb 3, 2020 22:05:18 GMT 1, I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are.
I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are.
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Gallery Fakes, by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 22:30:14 GMT 1, I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are.
That would be great
I look forward to hearing who they are
I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are. That would be great I look forward to hearing who they are |
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axel
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Gallery Fakes, by axel on Feb 4, 2020 18:40:11 GMT 1, Guys, I DM you. Let me know!
Guys, I DM you. Let me know!
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Lazarus II
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Gallery Fakes, by Lazarus II on Feb 4, 2020 22:33:06 GMT 1, I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are. That would be great I look forward to hearing who they are
nothing gullible about our Lance ๐
I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are. That would be great I look forward to hearing who they are nothing gullible about our Lance ๐ |
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LJCal
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Gallery Fakes, by LJCal on Feb 4, 2020 23:18:28 GMT 1, I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are. That would be great I look forward to hearing who they are
I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are. That would be great I look forward to hearing who they are Tempus Gallery, Dane Fine Art, Edward Kurstack all known and reported to have sold fakes. Just check out their sites and itโs pretty plain they should all be avoided. |
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LJCal
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Gallery Fakes, by LJCal on Feb 4, 2020 23:20:48 GMT 1, That would be great I look forward to hearing who they are nothing gullible about our Lance ๐
That would be great I look forward to hearing who they are nothing gullible about our Lance ๐ Unfortunately I have been duped with a couple of fakes, although I was lucky enough to get my money back! |
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Gallery Fakes, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 23:23:22 GMT 1, nothing gullible about our Lance ๐ Unfortunately I have been duped with a couple of fakes, although I was lucky enough to get my money back!
I bought a fake bomb hugger about 10 years ago, it still smarts
nothing gullible about our Lance ๐ Unfortunately I have been duped with a couple of fakes, although I was lucky enough to get my money back! I bought a fake bomb hugger about 10 years ago, it still smarts |
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LJCal
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Gallery Fakes, by LJCal on Feb 4, 2020 23:28:18 GMT 1, Unfortunately I have been duped with a couple of fakes, although I was lucky enough to get my money back! I bought a fake bomb hugger about 10 years ago, it still smarts
I think if youโre chasing value thereโs always a risk youโll get caught with a fake especially when youโre learning, some lessons are harder than others unfortunately. PayPal is a good safety net for buyers and one I use quite a bit if there is an element of risk, paying the 3% fees is good insurance.
Unfortunately I have been duped with a couple of fakes, although I was lucky enough to get my money back! I bought a fake bomb hugger about 10 years ago, it still smarts I think if youโre chasing value thereโs always a risk youโll get caught with a fake especially when youโre learning, some lessons are harder than others unfortunately. PayPal is a good safety net for buyers and one I use quite a bit if there is an element of risk, paying the 3% fees is good insurance. |
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Riotcops
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Gallery Fakes, by Riotcops on Feb 7, 2020 6:34:58 GMT 1, Well, I emailed and informed the gallery I wouldn't be purchasing the work (as both the publisher and the artists studio confirmed it was fake) and I received quite the response...
"I don't like wasting time with fakes like you and I don't have to explain anything to you if I don't want to. My skills have been clear for many years, it's you who never told me what you do, who you are and what skills you have. Finally, I remind you that the charge of fraud is punishable all over the world. Don't waste any more time otherwise I will be forced to report you too to the police."
The irony of calling me 'fake' and threatening to contact the police when he is committing a crime is just too much haha
Well, I emailed and informed the gallery I wouldn't be purchasing the work (as both the publisher and the artists studio confirmed it was fake) and I received quite the response...
"I don't like wasting time with fakes like you and I don't have to explain anything to you if I don't want to. My skills have been clear for many years, it's you who never told me what you do, who you are and what skills you have. Finally, I remind you that the charge of fraud is punishable all over the world. Don't waste any more time otherwise I will be forced to report you too to the police."
The irony of calling me 'fake' and threatening to contact the police when he is committing a crime is just too much haha
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Terry Fuckwitt
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Gallery Fakes, by Terry Fuckwitt on Feb 7, 2020 7:30:19 GMT 1, Well, I emailed and informed the gallery I wouldn't be purchasing the work (as both the publisher and the artists studio confirmed it was fake) and I received quite the response... "I don't like wasting time with fakes like you and I don't have to explain anything to you if I don't want to. My skills have been clear for many years, it's you who never told me what you do, who you are and what skills you have. Finally, I remind you that the charge of fraud is punishable all over the world. Don't waste any more time otherwise I will be forced to report you too to the police." The irony of calling me 'fake' and threatening to contact the police when he is committing a crime is just too much haha
Sounds like Liam Neeson runs the gallery๐คฃ
What a response!
Well, I emailed and informed the gallery I wouldn't be purchasing the work (as both the publisher and the artists studio confirmed it was fake) and I received quite the response... "I don't like wasting time with fakes like you and I don't have to explain anything to you if I don't want to. My skills have been clear for many years, it's you who never told me what you do, who you are and what skills you have. Finally, I remind you that the charge of fraud is punishable all over the world. Don't waste any more time otherwise I will be forced to report you too to the police." The irony of calling me 'fake' and threatening to contact the police when he is committing a crime is just too much haha Sounds like Liam Neeson runs the gallery๐คฃ What a response! |
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Gallery Fakes, by Lroy on Feb 7, 2020 8:49:14 GMT 1, I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are.
I know too. More of that. Itโs easy if you see some โ Dismaland โ or โ GDP โ or WOH keywords or items, they are fake.
I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are. I know too. More of that. Itโs easy if you see some โ Dismaland โ or โ GDP โ or WOH keywords or items, they are fake. |
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Riotcops
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Gallery Fakes, by Riotcops on Feb 7, 2020 18:06:53 GMT 1, Emailed me again saying if the publisher or artist doesn't contact him directly he's calling the police on me ha. What business behaves like this? If he was unaware of the fake I'd expect an apology (or a thank you even) if he is aware, not sure what calling the police will do...I'm so confused by this nut job.
Emailed me again saying if the publisher or artist doesn't contact him directly he's calling the police on me ha. What business behaves like this? If he was unaware of the fake I'd expect an apology (or a thank you even) if he is aware, not sure what calling the police will do...I'm so confused by this nut job.
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Lazarus II
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Gallery Fakes, by Lazarus II on Feb 7, 2020 18:18:02 GMT 1, Emailed me again saying if the publisher or artist doesn't contact him directly he's calling the police on me ha. What business behaves like this? If he was unaware of the fake I'd expect an apology (or a thank you even) if he is aware, not sure what calling the police will do...I'm so confused by this nut job.  I'm sure I will be getting PM'd before the night is out !
Emailed me again saying if the publisher or artist doesn't contact him directly he's calling the police on me ha. What business behaves like this? If he was unaware of the fake I'd expect an apology (or a thank you even) if he is aware, not sure what calling the police will do...I'm so confused by this nut job. There is one relatively well known online gallery who frequents this board who is prone to wanting to sue his fine fellow UAA forum members; you obviously haven't been in receipt of a PM from him as yet I'm sure I will be getting PM'd before the night is out ! |
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Riotcops
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Gallery Fakes, by Riotcops on Feb 7, 2020 21:42:39 GMT 1, Emailed me again saying if the publisher or artist doesn't contact him directly he's calling the police on me ha. What business behaves like this? If he was unaware of the fake I'd expect an apology (or a thank you even) if he is aware, not sure what calling the police will do...I'm so confused by this nut job. There is one relatively well known online gallery who frequents this board who is prone to wanting to sue his fine fellow UAA forum members; you obviously haven't been in receipt of a PM from him as yet I'm sure I will be getting PM'd before the night is out !
Well, fortunately, the publisher/studio have confirmed they are contacting the gallery.
Emailed me again saying if the publisher or artist doesn't contact him directly he's calling the police on me ha. What business behaves like this? If he was unaware of the fake I'd expect an apology (or a thank you even) if he is aware, not sure what calling the police will do...I'm so confused by this nut job. There is one relatively well known online gallery who frequents this board who is prone to wanting to sue his fine fellow UAA forum members; you obviously haven't been in receipt of a PM from him as yet I'm sure I will be getting PM'd before the night is out ! Ha intersting! Well, fortunately, the publisher/studio have confirmed they are contacting the gallery. |
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Gallery Fakes, by d.r. perseus on Feb 7, 2020 23:01:07 GMT 1, There is one relatively well known online gallery who frequents this board who is prone to wanting to sue his fine fellow UAA forum members; you obviously haven't been in receipt of a PM from him as yetย I'm sure I will be getting PM'd before the night is out !ย Ha intersting!ย Well, fortunately, the publisher/studio have confirmed they are contacting the gallery.ย
The plot thickens.i would love to hear how this plays out
There is one relatively well known online gallery who frequents this board who is prone to wanting to sue his fine fellow UAA forum members; you obviously haven't been in receipt of a PM from him as yetย I'm sure I will be getting PM'd before the night is out !ย Ha intersting!ย Well, fortunately, the publisher/studio have confirmed they are contacting the gallery.ย The plot thickens.i would love to hear how this plays out |
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Gallery Fakes, by DameHoracia on Feb 8, 2020 14:50:33 GMT 1, I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are.
I can name and shame 3 or 4 fairly well known galleries who sell fakes to gullible punters. Pretty much everything being sold on Etsy is fake, it shocks me just how brazen certain galleries are. That's really worrying. Why wouldn't you name them if you're sure they sell fakes. It's my biggest fear as I'm sure it is for most collectors. And from galleries too. Not on. They should be reported to police and closed down. |
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DameHoracia
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Gallery Fakes, by DameHoracia on Feb 8, 2020 14:53:37 GMT 1, That would be great I look forward to hearing who they are Tempus Gallery, Dane Fine Art, Edward Kurstack all known and reported to have sold fakes. Just check out their sites and itโs pretty plain they should all be avoided.
That would be great I look forward to hearing who they are Tempus Gallery, Dane Fine Art, Edward Kurstack all known and reported to have sold fakes. Just check out their sites and itโs pretty plain they should all be avoided. Thanks for posting this. |
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moron
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Gallery Fakes, by moron on Feb 17, 2020 14:13:56 GMT 1, There have been allegations that Brandler sells fakes.
Peter Nahum of Antiques Roadshow expert and also ex Sotheby's head of some art department or other bought fakes by Myat and Drew and re sold them through Christies. there have been some allegations or rumours that some of his pre raphaelite drawings finds were dodgy.
Allegations against Feigen in New York and also regarding someone who found a very good european master painting that contacted Feigen for expertise where the finder was told to send Feigen a 10 x 8 transparency of the painting. Who was advised not to do so by a collector who alledged that Feigen would have an exact copy painted and have that authenticated and the real painting by the nobody who foun dit would never be authenticated.
Wildenstein and the dozen fake Gauguins that were added to the Wildenstein produced catalogue Raisonne. That alledgedly Wildenstein owned the dozen fake Gauguins.
I would add the allegation that Connor Brothers and their gallery are pirating images and re selling them with some added text to gullible buyers who beleive that this type of copyright infringment is OK because "it's art" and an investment.
Money money money it's a rich mans world.
can you see a pattern emerging?
There have been allegations that Brandler sells fakes.
Peter Nahum of Antiques Roadshow expert and also ex Sotheby's head of some art department or other bought fakes by Myat and Drew and re sold them through Christies. there have been some allegations or rumours that some of his pre raphaelite drawings finds were dodgy.
Allegations against Feigen in New York and also regarding someone who found a very good european master painting that contacted Feigen for expertise where the finder was told to send Feigen a 10 x 8 transparency of the painting. Who was advised not to do so by a collector who alledged that Feigen would have an exact copy painted and have that authenticated and the real painting by the nobody who foun dit would never be authenticated.
Wildenstein and the dozen fake Gauguins that were added to the Wildenstein produced catalogue Raisonne. That alledgedly Wildenstein owned the dozen fake Gauguins.
I would add the allegation that Connor Brothers and their gallery are pirating images and re selling them with some added text to gullible buyers who beleive that this type of copyright infringment is OK because "it's art" and an investment.
Money money money it's a rich mans world.
can you see a pattern emerging?
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I'm sure I will be getting PM'd before the night is out ! 
