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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Poster Bob on Mar 27, 2020 14:12:34 GMT 1, I don't need laymen trying and failing to explain data to me. This board is full of the scientifically and mathematically illiterate and it really shows.
Uh, you have to be careful with such data. You've failed to note that the number of deaths is a function of population, current prevalence, incidence,ย age-specific and comorbidity-specifc mortality, test availability and testing.ย uh, people are now trying to argue with data charts. Yes, itโs confirmed cases. Anyone themselves can go to this site and clearly see that. Donโt need a explanation about it. .ย Sure, not everyone has been tested around the world but this the best data we have until other countries start testing.ย Hereโs the New York Times explaining it simple English for you. Confirmed cases that is it.ย 
I don't need laymen trying and failing to explain data to me. This board is full of the scientifically and mathematically illiterate and it really shows. Uh, you have to be careful with such data. You've failed to note that the number of deaths is a function of population, current prevalence, incidence,ย age-specific and comorbidity-specifc mortality, test availability and testing.ย uh, people are now trying to argue with data charts. Yes, itโs confirmed cases. Anyone themselves can go to this site and clearly see that. Donโt need a explanation about it. .ย Sure, not everyone has been tested around the world but this the best data we have until other countries start testing.ย Hereโs the New York Times explaining it simple English for you. Confirmed cases that is it.ย |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Swishhh on Mar 27, 2020 14:15:27 GMT 1, A quick Google search says that there is no evidence that Covid-19 can jump to or from cats and dogs. Initial reports of it doing so were the result of a weak positive of an elderly dog that died. An autopsy was not performed to determine the cause of death. The price of misinformation is high. Be responsible. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/animals.html
Were you just not saying the numbers you see are not fully reported and that certain information would be throttled?
I am not sharing this to spread panic or disinformation. Believe it now or later, but animals can contract and spread covid19
A quick Google search says that there is no evidence that Covid-19 can jump to or from cats and dogs. Initial reports of it doing so were the result of a weak positive of an elderly dog that died. An autopsy was not performed to determine the cause of death. The price of misinformation is high. Be responsible. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/animals.htmlWere you just not saying the numbers you see are not fully reported and that certain information would be throttled? I am not sharing this to spread panic or disinformation. Believe it now or later, but animals can contract and spread covid19 |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Matt on Mar 27, 2020 14:24:18 GMT 1,
You are getting facts and anecdotes mixed up
There is plenty of info on Coronaviruses and their animal origins, as well as overwhelming empirical evidence that C19 does not affect 4 legged household pets
Edit : to be clear does โnot affectโ is not equal to โdoes not contaminateโ. I still have seen no reviewed evidence showing they are affected by the virus (that one dog died with the Virus, not because of it)
You are getting facts and anecdotes mixed up There is plenty of info on Coronaviruses and their animal origins, as well as overwhelming empirical evidence that C19 does not affect 4 legged household pets Edit : to be clear does โnot affectโ is not equal to โdoes not contaminateโ. I still have seen no reviewed evidence showing they are affected by the virus (that one dog died with the Virus, not because of it) |
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Poster Bob
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Poster Bob on Mar 27, 2020 14:26:04 GMT 1, Your reply to an earlier statement from another member that it cannot be spread to and from cats and dogs is false. The CDC says so with all of the information at this time. A simple "My bad, I'll stop spreading lies and fear" would be sufficient. Did it come from animals? Yes, that is what the scientists say. Are we at risk from our cats and dogs and are they at risk from us? No.
My earlier comments today relate to the extreme complexity in how medical data needs to be interpreted. I am not going to give all of the laymen here a crash-course in Epidemiology but what needs to be looked at is denominator-equating figures but even doing that won't adjust for all of the differences in healthcare systems, test availability, poverty, etc.
A quick Google search says that there is no evidence that Covid-19 can jump to or from cats and dogs. Initial reports of it doing so were the result of a weak positive of an elderly dog that died. An autopsy was not performed to determine the cause of death. The price of misinformation is high. Be responsible. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/animals.htmlWere you just not saying the numbers you see are not fully reported and that certain information would be throttled? I am not sharing this to spread panic or disinformation. Believe it now or later, but animals can contract and spread covid19
Your reply to an earlier statement from another member that it cannot be spread to and from cats and dogs is false. The CDC says so with all of the information at this time. A simple "My bad, I'll stop spreading lies and fear" would be sufficient. Did it come from animals? Yes, that is what the scientists say. Are we at risk from our cats and dogs and are they at risk from us? No. My earlier comments today relate to the extreme complexity in how medical data needs to be interpreted. I am not going to give all of the laymen here a crash-course in Epidemiology but what needs to be looked at is denominator-equating figures but even doing that won't adjust for all of the differences in healthcare systems, test availability, poverty, etc. A quick Google search says that there is no evidence that Covid-19 can jump to or from cats and dogs. Initial reports of it doing so were the result of a weak positive of an elderly dog that died. An autopsy was not performed to determine the cause of death. The price of misinformation is high. Be responsible. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/animals.htmlWere you just not saying the numbers you see are not fully reported and that certain information would be throttled? I am not sharing this to spread panic or disinformation. Believe it now or later, but animals can contract and spread covid19 |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by jimmyjam on Mar 27, 2020 14:29:55 GMT 1, I think people here are a bit smarter than you think. I would hope they can understand charts and donโt need your explanation about them. Trying to put people down during a time like this shows true color. Itโs a chart and people can figure it out pretty easily without the side remarks.
I think people here are a bit smarter than you think. I would hope they can understand charts and donโt need your explanation about them. Trying to put people down during a time like this shows true color. Itโs a chart and people can figure it out pretty easily without the side remarks.
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Poster Bob
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Poster Bob on Mar 27, 2020 14:32:26 GMT 1, You're trying to compare an apple to an orange and don't grasp why it's wrong. I don't blame your ignorance, I blame the media and the way it reports on health and medicine.
I think people here are a bit smarter than you think. I would hope they can understand charts and donโt need your explanation about them. Trying to put people down during a time like this shows try color. Itโs a chart and people can figure it out pretty easily without the side remarks.
You're trying to compare an apple to an orange and don't grasp why it's wrong. I don't blame your ignorance, I blame the media and the way it reports on health and medicine. I think people here are a bit smarter than you think. I would hope they can understand charts and donโt need your explanation about them. Trying to put people down during a time like this shows try color. Itโs a chart and people can figure it out pretty easily without the side remarks. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Mar 27, 2020 14:37:07 GMT 1,
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by jimmyjam on Mar 27, 2020 14:39:01 GMT 1, Are you calling data charts a layman or yourself. The only one trying to explain this chart is you.
Dont worry bob we all know how smart you are. Donโt need to try and explain that to us everyday.
Are you calling data charts a layman or yourself. The only one trying to explain this chart is you.
Dont worry bob we all know how smart you are. Donโt need to try and explain that to us everyday.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by jimmyjam on Mar 27, 2020 14:49:33 GMT 1,
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Mar 27, 2020 15:07:07 GMT 1, What scares me is that if the privileged few that have been afforded the test have got it how the hell many NHS staff have it, let alone the rest of us?
What scares me is that if the privileged few that have been afforded the test have got it how the hell many NHS staff have it, let alone the rest of us? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 27, 2020 15:20:57 GMT 1, I was watching pm's questions two days ago, no surprise Hancock is now positive.
I was watching pm's questions two days ago, no surprise Hancock is now positive. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by pellets on Mar 27, 2020 15:23:00 GMT 1,
Ill wait for some more conclusive evidence
Ill wait for some more conclusive evidence |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by pellets on Mar 27, 2020 16:19:05 GMT 1,
That UC link does not in any way say that C-19 infects animals. It says an antiviral drug that has proved successful so far in animal models to treat a range of other viruses is being put forward for testing in humans.
That UC link does not in any way say that C-19 infects animals. It says an antiviral drug that has proved successful so far in animal models to treat a range of other viruses is being put forward for testing in humans. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Wearology on Mar 27, 2020 16:24:21 GMT 1, I Would Like To See A Chart That States:
How many people have been tested
How many people have tested positive
How many people have tested negative
How many people have it and don't even know they have it because they have no symptoms
How many people have all the symptoms but were told to not get tested
How many people had it and are now symptom free
How many people had it and passed away who had no other medical issues
How many people had it and passed away who had other medical issues.
I Would Like To See A Chart That States:
How many people have been tested
How many people have tested positive
How many people have tested negative
How many people have it and don't even know they have it because they have no symptoms
How many people have all the symptoms but were told to not get tested
How many people had it and are now symptom free
How many people had it and passed away who had no other medical issues
How many people had it and passed away who had other medical issues.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Poster Bob on Mar 27, 2020 16:33:53 GMT 1, You are selectively quoting and manipulating information when you say "multiple dogs have tested positive". The most likely reason that any dog has tested positive is because it licked its owner and then tested positive afterwards but at no time was infected nor could it have been. I'll reiterate, the cost of misinformation is high. Stop spreading it. If you see a story with an eye-catching headline google the main takeaway to see if it is verified and by whom.
today.tamu.edu/2020/03/24/texas-am-expert-dont-worry-about-your-pet-getting-covid-19/
You are selectively quoting and manipulating information when you say "multiple dogs have tested positive". The most likely reason that any dog has tested positive is because it licked its owner and then tested positive afterwards but at no time was infected nor could it have been. I'll reiterate, the cost of misinformation is high. Stop spreading it. If you see a story with an eye-catching headline google the main takeaway to see if it is verified and by whom. today.tamu.edu/2020/03/24/texas-am-expert-dont-worry-about-your-pet-getting-covid-19/ |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 27, 2020 16:35:42 GMT 1, Unless a government out rightedly makes a statement that the virus does not spread through animals it is a possibility
There has not been enough tests carried out on humans to still get a clear picture of the virus to begin testing with animals
The data with incubation periods etc to get an average o 14 days has been taken from a sample of 1500 people in wuhan from jan?
It also states states from who site 2-28 days for symptoms to show ?
The virus may be evolving / mutating at different rates in each country hence tests and data should be specific to each country ?
Every country have different standard of tests ?
Would be months of animal species testing before they can confirm no cross over links to animals?and research would not be released straight away
Unless a government out rightedly makes a statement that the virus does not spread through animals it is a possibility
There has not been enough tests carried out on humans to still get a clear picture of the virus to begin testing with animals
The data with incubation periods etc to get an average o 14 days has been taken from a sample of 1500 people in wuhan from jan?
It also states states from who site 2-28 days for symptoms to show ?
The virus may be evolving / mutating at different rates in each country hence tests and data should be specific to each country ?
Every country have different standard of tests ?
Would be months of animal species testing before they can confirm no cross over links to animals?and research would not be released straight away
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Poster Bob on Mar 27, 2020 16:45:59 GMT 1, Your entire post is written in such an erratic, ESL stlye that I can't comprehend the overall point you want to make, nor what your reasoning is. I will just address your first statement. There is no verifiable, quality and repeatedly observed evidence that it spreads via the two main types of household pets: cats and dogs.
Unless a government out rightedly makes a statement that the virus does not spread through animals it is a possibility There has not been enough tests carried out on humans to still get a clear picture of the virus to begin testing with animals The data with incubation periods etc to get an average o 14 days has been taken from a sample of 1500 people in wuhan from jan? It also states states from who site 2-28 days for symptoms to show ? The virus may be evolving / mutating at different rates in each country hence tests and data should be specific to each country ? Every country have different standard of tests ? Would be months of animal species testing before they can confirm no cross over links to animals?and research would not be released straight away
Your entire post is written in such an erratic, ESL stlye that I can't comprehend the overall point you want to make, nor what your reasoning is. I will just address your first statement. There is no verifiable, quality and repeatedly observed evidence that it spreads via the two main types of household pets: cats and dogs.Unless a government out rightedly makes a statement that the virus does not spread through animals it is a possibility There has not been enough tests carried out on humans to still get a clear picture of the virus to begin testing with animals The data with incubation periods etc to get an average o 14 days has been taken from a sample of 1500 people in wuhan from jan? It also states states from who site 2-28 days for symptoms to show ? The virus may be evolving / mutating at different rates in each country hence tests and data should be specific to each country ? Every country have different standard of tests ? Would be months of animal species testing before they can confirm no cross over links to animals?and research would not be released straight away |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 27, 2020 16:47:58 GMT 1, If you notice government speeches , new information is purposefully released daily so the public can review information and remain calm , if some of the facts were released in blanket fashion it would be too much for a few to comprehend and create mass panic
Using charts simple way of distraction as the numbers do not seem that great and lessens panic
For all we know testing could be going on a greater scale behind the scenes on all deaths occurring and a greater picture of the virus infection has been gained hence all world government restrictions put in place
If you notice government speeches , new information is purposefully released daily so the public can review information and remain calm , if some of the facts were released in blanket fashion it would be too much for a few to comprehend and create mass panic
Using charts simple way of distraction as the numbers do not seem that great and lessens panic
For all we know testing could be going on a greater scale behind the scenes on all deaths occurring and a greater picture of the virus infection has been gained hence all world government restrictions put in place
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 27, 2020 16:53:20 GMT 1, Your entire post is written in such an erratic, ESL stlye that I can't comprehend the overall point you want to make, nor what you're reasoning is. I will just address your first statement. There is no verifiable, quality and repeatedly observed evidence that it spreads via the two main types of household pets: cats and dogs.Unless a government out rightedly makes a statement that the virus does not spread through animals it is a possibility There has not been enough tests carried out on humans to still get a clear picture of the virus to begin testing with animals The data with incubation periods etc to get an average o 14 days has been taken from a sample of 1500 people in wuhan from jan? It also states states from who site 2-28 days for symptoms to show ? The virus may be evolving / mutating at different rates in each country hence tests and data should be specific to each country ? Every country have different standard of tests ? Would be months of animal species testing before they can confirm no cross over links to animals?and research would not be released straight away
It's not a research paper , just a forum , an art forum actually ๐relax..with lack of information from the media , everyone is throwing out ideas
There has not been enough testing yet to confirm
brexit supporter?
Your entire post is written in such an erratic, ESL stlye that I can't comprehend the overall point you want to make, nor what you're reasoning is. I will just address your first statement. There is no verifiable, quality and repeatedly observed evidence that it spreads via the two main types of household pets: cats and dogs.Unless a government out rightedly makes a statement that the virus does not spread through animals it is a possibility There has not been enough tests carried out on humans to still get a clear picture of the virus to begin testing with animals The data with incubation periods etc to get an average o 14 days has been taken from a sample of 1500 people in wuhan from jan? It also states states from who site 2-28 days for symptoms to show ? The virus may be evolving / mutating at different rates in each country hence tests and data should be specific to each country ? Every country have different standard of tests ? Would be months of animal species testing before they can confirm no cross over links to animals?and research would not be released straight away It's not a research paper , just a forum , an art forum actually ๐relax..with lack of information from the media , everyone is throwing out ideas There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Poster Bob on Mar 27, 2020 17:14:16 GMT 1, I still can't understand your writing. Please try using Google translate. This sentence in particular has left me guessing: "There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter?"
Your entire post is written in such an erratic, ESL stlye that I can't comprehend the overall point you want to make, nor what you're reasoning is. I will just address your first statement. There is no verifiable, quality and repeatedly observed evidence that it spreads via the two main types of household pets: cats and dogs.It's not a research paper , just a forum , an art forum actually ๐relax..with lack of information from the media , everyone is throwing out ideas There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter?
I still can't understand your writing. Please try using Google translate. This sentence in particular has left me guessing: "There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter?" Your entire post is written in such an erratic, ESL stlye that I can't comprehend the overall point you want to make, nor what you're reasoning is. I will just address your first statement. There is no verifiable, quality and repeatedly observed evidence that it spreads via the two main types of household pets: cats and dogs.It's not a research paper , just a forum , an art forum actually ๐relax..with lack of information from the media , everyone is throwing out ideas There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by irl1 on Mar 27, 2020 17:26:36 GMT 1, COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC
Last updated: March 27, 2020, 16:21 GMT
Coronavirus Cases: 566,316
Deaths: 25,424
Recovered: 129,360
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Dive Jedi on Mar 27, 2020 17:35:19 GMT 1, I still can't understand your writing. Please try using Google translate. This sentence in particular has left me guessing: "There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter?" It's not a research paper , just a forum , an art forum actually ๐relax..with lack of information from the media , everyone is throwing out ideas There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter?
I still can't understand your writing. Please try using Google translate. This sentence in particular has left me guessing: "There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter?" It's not a research paper , just a forum , an art forum actually ๐relax..with lack of information from the media , everyone is throwing out ideas There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter? HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!! |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Schrรถdinger's Chat on Mar 27, 2020 18:17:41 GMT 1, Does this remind you of anyone? Or even several people?
Does this remind you of anyone? Or even several people? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 27, 2020 18:48:52 GMT 1, I still can't understand your writing. Please try using Google translate. This sentence in particular has left me guessing: "There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter?" HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/esl
Poster bob Mentioned esl ,google translate ?
racism is rife ,and you find it funny ? , esl ,using English as a second language ?
the forum is full of racial ethnic diverse groups and you find it agreeable to use subtle racism?๐
I still can't understand your writing. Please try using Google translate. This sentence in particular has left me guessing: "There has not been enough testing yet to confirm brexit supporter?" HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!! bafoon dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/eslPoster bob Mentioned esl ,google translate ? racism is rife ,and you find it funny ? , esl ,using English as a second language ? the forum is full of racial ethnic diverse groups and you find it agreeable to use subtle racism?๐ |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Dive Jedi on Mar 27, 2020 19:05:15 GMT 1, bafoon dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/eslPoster bob Mentioned esl ,google translate ? racism is rife ,and you find it funny ? , esl ,using English as a second language ? the forum is full of racial ethnic diversity groups and you find it agreeable to use subtle racism?๐
Racism ? ? ? WTF !
I thought it was funny because I was convinced you are British.
And if even if you weren't how the heck would that be racist.
Not to mention English is my second language as well.....
Get a life.....
bafoon dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/eslPoster bob Mentioned esl ,google translate ? racism is rife ,and you find it funny ? , esl ,using English as a second language ? the forum is full of racial ethnic diversity groups and you find it agreeable to use subtle racism?๐ LOL !! Racism ? ? ? WTF ! I thought it was funny because I was convinced you are British. And if even if you weren't how the heck would that be racist. Not to mention English is my second language as well..... Get a life..... |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 27, 2020 19:09:08 GMT 1, bafoon dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/eslPoster bob Mentioned esl ,google translate ? racism is rife ,and you find it funny ? , esl ,using English as a second language ? the forum is full of racial ethnic diversity groups and you find it agreeable to use subtle racism?๐ LOL !! Racism ? ? ? WTF ! I thought it was funny because I was convinced you are British. And if even if you weren't how the heck would that be racist. Not to mention English is my second language as well..... Get a life.....
no point explaining to an ignorant imbecile ๐
bafoon dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/eslPoster bob Mentioned esl ,google translate ? racism is rife ,and you find it funny ? , esl ,using English as a second language ? the forum is full of racial ethnic diversity groups and you find it agreeable to use subtle racism?๐ LOL !! Racism ? ? ? WTF ! I thought it was funny because I was convinced you are British. And if even if you weren't how the heck would that be racist. Not to mention English is my second language as well..... Get a life..... Forum Bafoon , go and paint some sharks ๐ no point explaining to an ignorant imbecile ๐ |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Dive Jedi on Mar 27, 2020 19:36:36 GMT 1, LOL !! Racism ? ? ? WTF ! I thought it was funny because I was convinced you are British. And if even if you weren't how the heck would that be racist. Not to mention English is my second language as well..... Get a life..... Forum Bafoon , go and paint some sharks ๐ no point explaining to an ignorant imbecile ๐
LOL !! Racism ? ? ? WTF ! I thought it was funny because I was convinced you are British. And if even if you weren't how the heck would that be racist. Not to mention English is my second language as well..... Get a life..... Forum Bafoon , go and paint some sharks ๐ no point explaining to an ignorant imbecile ๐ Take off your tinfoil hat and get some fresh air, dude. |
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