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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 16, 2020 15:33:39 GMT 1, The car wash was in reference to Brexit as a lot of EU immigrants from countries like Bulgaria Romania etc did get employed at car washes and some immigrants from EU also set up car washes. That is in no way racist to say that after Brexit people who complain about immigrants can wash their own cars. The good news is that most who arrived before Brexit should be able to stay in UK on an ongoing basis. EU migrants normally arrive in UK by car, plane, train, coach etc. Not by dingy's. No he wasn't saying that. He was being nasty about immigrants and it was him that implied they arrive by dingy's, certainly not me. As the daughter/offspring of an immigrant I have every right to be offended and yes it is racist to say vile things about people from other countries that emigrate to other places than where they were born. The bad news is Priti Patel and the unhinged Britannia gang, despite most of them being descendants of immigrants don't care much for immigrants either, unless they're rich and support the Tory party.
Do you have an opinion on immigrants who arrived in Europe who say vile things about people in the country they immigrated to?
Racists come in all colours and ethnicities
The car wash was in reference to Brexit as a lot of EU immigrants from countries like Bulgaria Romania etc did get employed at car washes and some immigrants from EU also set up car washes. That is in no way racist to say that after Brexit people who complain about immigrants can wash their own cars. The good news is that most who arrived before Brexit should be able to stay in UK on an ongoing basis. EU migrants normally arrive in UK by car, plane, train, coach etc. Not by dingy's. No he wasn't saying that. He was being nasty about immigrants and it was him that implied they arrive by dingy's, certainly not me. As the daughter/offspring of an immigrant I have every right to be offended and yes it is racist to say vile things about people from other countries that emigrate to other places than where they were born. The bad news is Priti Patel and the unhinged Britannia gang, despite most of them being descendants of immigrants don't care much for immigrants either, unless they're rich and support the Tory party. People who arrive by dingy's from Calais to UK or Turkey to Greece Italy etc are mainly men and mainly illegal immigrants who head for European countries with the most generous welfare states. Do you have an opinion on immigrants who arrived in Europe who say vile things about people in the country they immigrated to? Racists come in all colours and ethnicities |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 16, 2020 15:49:14 GMT 1, that link is to a short article simply stating that Belgium destroyed millions of masks. I was referencing this article in the link below. sceptr.net/2020/04/miljoenen-mondmaskers-vernietigd-om-plaats-te-maken-voor-vluchtelingen/ Translated to English, part of the article states: "According to Marc Caekebeke, the man responsible for managing the masks, they were destroyed to make way for refugees."
"According to the government and competent minister Maggie De Block (Open Vld), that stock of face masks was destroyed because they had expired and had been in very bad condition. But the latter is not correct according to Marc Caekebeke, a retired adjutant who was responsible for the management of the mouth masks and therefore saw everything happening from the front row."
“It is true that it was overdue. I believe the first masks destroyed in 2015 had an expiration date to 2010. The last pieces destroyed in 2018 were good until 2015. But I think the main reason was lack of space. In 2015, the government decided that the Red Cross would use some of the buildings to receive refugees. There had to be made room, with which I certainly do not want to throw a stone at the aid organization or anyone else. ”
According to Caekebeke, those masks would have come in very handy now. “I remember when the then chief physician of health, the big man behind the stock, arrived at one of the extermination rounds at our barracks and said: Why don't we give those masks to Africa? There they can always use something like that. The doctor was clearly not convinced of the usefulness of the extermination operation, which must be decided on his service or the political level. I am convinced that those expired masks would have come in very handy now, for example at the cashiers in the supermarket or at the police. ”
It is true that expired mouth masks can also be used. That was also said by TV virologist Marc Van Ranst. "The expiration date mainly refers to the rubber band attached to the mask, not to the filter quality of contaminated air."
www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200402_04911286?articlehash=6C7A237BC1A2473EB3165C722E4DB7B001E2CFEF23B42E55B090CB4AEF72E318955D72A4216FDB304DC0DB7C21BA5195A6F8C0F17D0E65D2F99CC8AA122D504F
You would be surprised the amount of Medical items out of date but still in use in the nhs / fire service
Certain Rubber and plastic Products degrades over a period of time and becomes brittle
The airway aids are one that is often overlooked as it is in packaging ,may look new but if years out of date could be brittle and break and compromise your airway even further which it is supposed to
Be used to overcome
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oropharyngeal_airway
that link is to a short article simply stating that Belgium destroyed millions of masks. I was referencing this article in the link below. sceptr.net/2020/04/miljoenen-mondmaskers-vernietigd-om-plaats-te-maken-voor-vluchtelingen/ Translated to English, part of the article states: "According to Marc Caekebeke, the man responsible for managing the masks, they were destroyed to make way for refugees."
"According to the government and competent minister Maggie De Block (Open Vld), that stock of face masks was destroyed because they had expired and had been in very bad condition. But the latter is not correct according to Marc Caekebeke, a retired adjutant who was responsible for the management of the mouth masks and therefore saw everything happening from the front row."
“It is true that it was overdue. I believe the first masks destroyed in 2015 had an expiration date to 2010. The last pieces destroyed in 2018 were good until 2015. But I think the main reason was lack of space. In 2015, the government decided that the Red Cross would use some of the buildings to receive refugees. There had to be made room, with which I certainly do not want to throw a stone at the aid organization or anyone else. ”
According to Caekebeke, those masks would have come in very handy now. “I remember when the then chief physician of health, the big man behind the stock, arrived at one of the extermination rounds at our barracks and said: Why don't we give those masks to Africa? There they can always use something like that. The doctor was clearly not convinced of the usefulness of the extermination operation, which must be decided on his service or the political level. I am convinced that those expired masks would have come in very handy now, for example at the cashiers in the supermarket or at the police. ”
It is true that expired mouth masks can also be used. That was also said by TV virologist Marc Van Ranst. "The expiration date mainly refers to the rubber band attached to the mask, not to the filter quality of contaminated air."
www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200402_04911286?articlehash=6C7A237BC1A2473EB3165C722E4DB7B001E2CFEF23B42E55B090CB4AEF72E318955D72A4216FDB304DC0DB7C21BA5195A6F8C0F17D0E65D2F99CC8AA122D504F[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oropharyngeal_airway You would be surprised the amount of Medical items out of date but still in use in the nhs / fire service Certain Rubber and plastic Products degrades over a period of time and becomes brittle The airway aids are one that is often overlooked as it is in packaging ,may look new but if years out of date could be brittle and break and compromise your airway even further which it is supposed to Be used to overcome en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oropharyngeal_airway |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by .dappy on Apr 16, 2020 16:31:58 GMT 1, ... I don't think he can write a post without using the word 'migrant', 'civil disobedience' or 'government cover up' or reference to it ... lol ... ... unfortunately when caught out either by what he says or his sources ... he denies what he has written or that he has any sympathy or even knows who or what his sources are ... ... his only retort is personal abuse ... You are so full of crap Dappy and clearly confused. You are a troll that's for sure. The article about the masks referenced the masks being destroyed to make room to house migrants. If the article about masks referenced to make room to house old people, then I would have written "old people" in my post. So yours and some others attitude on here is to censor everything via insulting posters and slandering them because you and the others are the actual racists and fascists of this forum because you and the others clearly believe that there are things that should be covered up. On the plus side, no one here takes you seriously, they just think your are a little idiot with nothing interesting to say.
... you appear to be a very angry person ... the personal insults keep coming ... lol
... I don't think he can write a post without using the word 'migrant', 'civil disobedience' or 'government cover up' or reference to it ... lol ... ... unfortunately when caught out either by what he says or his sources ... he denies what he has written or that he has any sympathy or even knows who or what his sources are ... ... his only retort is personal abuse ... You are so full of crap Dappy and clearly confused. You are a troll that's for sure. The article about the masks referenced the masks being destroyed to make room to house migrants. If the article about masks referenced to make room to house old people, then I would have written "old people" in my post. So yours and some others attitude on here is to censor everything via insulting posters and slandering them because you and the others are the actual racists and fascists of this forum because you and the others clearly believe that there are things that should be covered up. On the plus side, no one here takes you seriously, they just think your are a little idiot with nothing interesting to say. ... you appear to be a very angry person ... the personal insults keep coming ... lol |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 16, 2020 17:24:06 GMT 1, news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdowns-unlocked-which-countries-are-easing-restrictions-11974027
Many countries implemented lockdowns before the uk and insist or list benefits of face masks to the general public which with research shows combined with social distancing DOES make a difference .
Time lines of countries actions and precautions and testing are totally different so can not compare
By other countries reducing restriction with little new information known or new discoveries about the virus at least the uk can take note and observe benefits or negatives from others before deciding the next phase , Still not decided if recovered from covid 19 if one is immune and will not be re infected , and still unknown about secondary waves of infections or if mutations in the virus can or will have critical effects
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdowns-unlocked-which-countries-are-easing-restrictions-11974027Many countries implemented lockdowns before the uk and insist or list benefits of face masks to the general public which with research shows combined with social distancing DOES make a difference . Time lines of countries actions and precautions and testing are totally different so can not compare By other countries reducing restriction with little new information known or new discoveries about the virus at least the uk can take note and observe benefits or negatives from others before deciding the next phase , Still not decided if recovered from covid 19 if one is immune and will not be re infected , and still unknown about secondary waves of infections or if mutations in the virus can or will have critical effects
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 16, 2020 18:23:18 GMT 1, news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdowns-unlocked-which-countries-are-easing-restrictions-11974027Many countries implemented lockdowns before the uk and insist or list benefits of face masks to the general public which with research shows combined with social distancing DOES make a difference . Time lines of countries actions and precautions and testing are totally different so can not compare By other countries reducing restriction with little new information known or new discoveries about the virus at least the uk can take note and observe benefits or negatives from others before deciding the next phase , Still not decided if recovered from covid 19 if one is immune and will not be re infected , and still unknown about secondary waves of infections or if mutations in the virus can or will have critical effects What is interesting and the so-called elephant in the room is we are ALL into this together. When this is supposedly over and restrictions are lifted, it only takes one person infected w/ C-19 in some random place anywhere in the world, possibly just a carrier with zero symptoms to get on a plane, a cruise, an elevator, a hospital, you name it and this whole thing pops back off again. Unless there is some radical breakthrough overnight, that’s the reality we’re facing. Possible death by C-19 or death by the results of a complete global economic meltdown. People are even canceling plane orders. Those are thousands of jobs that are gone. They now have to find another career when NO ONE is hiring. I could go on, but you all get it. It’s as**ttty situation all the way around.
Hence why most likely flights would be restricted and maybe still closed once internal restrictions are lifted
In the uk many are employed on 0 contract hours once restrictions Are lifted with no compulsory testing people my delay Self isolations as of debt and as they desperately need to work for food and housing so may not self isolate ,with many not showing symptoms and physically it is hard to detect from symptoms alone many can get away with this Conduct and continue the spread of infection ,
let alone the research needed in the animal species to totally rule out contamination from any animals or a mutated covid 19 virus , huge potential consequences for pets .
It will most likely be long term restrictions until medicines are available to slow down the virus or a vaccine is available to totally eradicate the virus,any reintroduction will just cause the virus to spread and all people with underlying health issues with some not even knowing they have them will die
The high percentage of people who do not listen to social distancing suggestions , the amount of people that maliciously try to spread the virus , In the uk no guidance to use masks, the way each country deals with the pandemic and how their populations adhere to guidance it would be chaos to open up air travel again
The isolations in place are just to reach a manageable amount of deaths the system can cope with , with out being overloaded , deaths will
Continue from covid 19 with the isolations set in place but in a controlled manner
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-lockdowns-unlocked-which-countries-are-easing-restrictions-11974027Many countries implemented lockdowns before the uk and insist or list benefits of face masks to the general public which with research shows combined with social distancing DOES make a difference . Time lines of countries actions and precautions and testing are totally different so can not compare By other countries reducing restriction with little new information known or new discoveries about the virus at least the uk can take note and observe benefits or negatives from others before deciding the next phase , Still not decided if recovered from covid 19 if one is immune and will not be re infected , and still unknown about secondary waves of infections or if mutations in the virus can or will have critical effects What is interesting and the so-called elephant in the room is we are ALL into this together. When this is supposedly over and restrictions are lifted, it only takes one person infected w/ C-19 in some random place anywhere in the world, possibly just a carrier with zero symptoms to get on a plane, a cruise, an elevator, a hospital, you name it and this whole thing pops back off again. Unless there is some radical breakthrough overnight, that’s the reality we’re facing. Possible death by C-19 or death by the results of a complete global economic meltdown. People are even canceling plane orders. Those are thousands of jobs that are gone. They now have to find another career when NO ONE is hiring. I could go on, but you all get it. It’s as**ttty situation all the way around. Hence why most likely flights would be restricted and maybe still closed once internal restrictions are lifted In the uk many are employed on 0 contract hours once restrictions Are lifted with no compulsory testing people my delay Self isolations as of debt and as they desperately need to work for food and housing so may not self isolate ,with many not showing symptoms and physically it is hard to detect from symptoms alone many can get away with this Conduct and continue the spread of infection , let alone the research needed in the animal species to totally rule out contamination from any animals or a mutated covid 19 virus , huge potential consequences for pets . It will most likely be long term restrictions until medicines are available to slow down the virus or a vaccine is available to totally eradicate the virus,any reintroduction will just cause the virus to spread and all people with underlying health issues with some not even knowing they have them will die The high percentage of people who do not listen to social distancing suggestions , the amount of people that maliciously try to spread the virus , In the uk no guidance to use masks, the way each country deals with the pandemic and how their populations adhere to guidance it would be chaos to open up air travel again The isolations in place are just to reach a manageable amount of deaths the system can cope with , with out being overloaded , deaths will Continue from covid 19 with the isolations set in place but in a controlled manner |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by wrigs on Apr 16, 2020 19:33:32 GMT 1, We can all jump up and down after the event at China and point fingers then. We can also choose to ignore that you don’t have to look very far to find similar breaches here in the UK and US (we also won’t mention that the US helped with funding the Wuhan lab by all accounts, happy to be told I’m wrong).
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/26587505
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/04/-sp-100-safety-breaches-uk-labs-potentially-deadly-diseases
I know some here love a link. Ps. Before anyone asks no I haven’t done a deep dive on the sources or journalists involved.
All in all it’s not going to help the situation at present. Yes it’s a mess but we’re in it for the foreseeable. As difficult as it seems a positive mindset goes some way to help the current situation. So regardless of whether I can or maybe cannot go I’m still going to go about my life. That includes trying to book those flights for later in the year (perhaps naively as some may think) and hope that soon I can get to see some of my family that are also bunkered down on the opposite side of the globe. I may not be able to go but certainly helps me thinking we’ll get back to some level of normality soon.
Help each other out be kind, if nothing else good has come out of this nightmare the fact that there’s some sense of community back for many isn’t a bad thing.
We can all jump up and down after the event at China and point fingers then. We can also choose to ignore that you don’t have to look very far to find similar breaches here in the UK and US (we also won’t mention that the US helped with funding the Wuhan lab by all accounts, happy to be told I’m wrong). www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/26587505www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/04/-sp-100-safety-breaches-uk-labs-potentially-deadly-diseasesI know some here love a link. Ps. Before anyone asks no I haven’t done a deep dive on the sources or journalists involved. All in all it’s not going to help the situation at present. Yes it’s a mess but we’re in it for the foreseeable. As difficult as it seems a positive mindset goes some way to help the current situation. So regardless of whether I can or maybe cannot go I’m still going to go about my life. That includes trying to book those flights for later in the year (perhaps naively as some may think) and hope that soon I can get to see some of my family that are also bunkered down on the opposite side of the globe. I may not be able to go but certainly helps me thinking we’ll get back to some level of normality soon. Help each other out be kind, if nothing else good has come out of this nightmare the fact that there’s some sense of community back for many isn’t a bad thing. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 16, 2020 19:53:14 GMT 1, We can all jump up and down after the event at China and point fingers then. We can also choose to ignore that you don’t have to look very far to find similar breaches here in the UK and US (we also won’t mention that the US helped with funding the Wuhan lab by all accounts, happy to be told I’m wrong). www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/26587505www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/04/-sp-100-safety-breaches-uk-labs-potentially-deadly-diseasesI know some here love a link. Ps. Before anyone asks no I haven’t done a deep dive on the sources or journalists involved. All in all it’s not going to help the situation at present. Yes it’s a mess but we’re in it for the foreseeable. As difficult as it seems a positive mindset goes some way to help the current situation. So regardless of whether I can or maybe cannot go I’m still going to go about my life. That includes trying to book those flights for later in the year (perhaps naively as some may think) and hope that soon I can get to see some of my family that are also bunkered down on the opposite side of the globe. I may not be able to go but certainly helps me thinking we’ll get back to some level of normality soon. Help each other out be kind, if nothing else good has come out of this nightmare the fact that there’s some sense of community back for many isn’t a bad thing.
I would book those flights later , can imagine airlines will be having vast discounts to regain customers the longer the restrictions proceeds, plus a headache with getting your money back if airline files for bankruptcy with the uncertainty ahead
We can all jump up and down after the event at China and point fingers then. We can also choose to ignore that you don’t have to look very far to find similar breaches here in the UK and US (we also won’t mention that the US helped with funding the Wuhan lab by all accounts, happy to be told I’m wrong). www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/26587505www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/04/-sp-100-safety-breaches-uk-labs-potentially-deadly-diseasesI know some here love a link. Ps. Before anyone asks no I haven’t done a deep dive on the sources or journalists involved. All in all it’s not going to help the situation at present. Yes it’s a mess but we’re in it for the foreseeable. As difficult as it seems a positive mindset goes some way to help the current situation. So regardless of whether I can or maybe cannot go I’m still going to go about my life. That includes trying to book those flights for later in the year (perhaps naively as some may think) and hope that soon I can get to see some of my family that are also bunkered down on the opposite side of the globe. I may not be able to go but certainly helps me thinking we’ll get back to some level of normality soon. Help each other out be kind, if nothing else good has come out of this nightmare the fact that there’s some sense of community back for many isn’t a bad thing. I would book those flights later , can imagine airlines will be having vast discounts to regain customers the longer the restrictions proceeds, plus a headache with getting your money back if airline files for bankruptcy with the uncertainty ahead |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by wrigs on Apr 16, 2020 20:25:44 GMT 1, We can all jump up and down after the event at China and point fingers then. We can also choose to ignore that you don’t have to look very far to find similar breaches here in the UK and US (we also won’t mention that the US helped with funding the Wuhan lab by all accounts, happy to be told I’m wrong). www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/26587505www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/04/-sp-100-safety-breaches-uk-labs-potentially-deadly-diseasesI know some here love a link. Ps. Before anyone asks no I haven’t done a deep dive on the sources or journalists involved. All in all it’s not going to help the situation at present. Yes it’s a mess but we’re in it for the foreseeable. As difficult as it seems a positive mindset goes some way to help the current situation. So regardless of whether I can or maybe cannot go I’m still going to go about my life. That includes trying to book those flights for later in the year (perhaps naively as some may think) and hope that soon I can get to see some of my family that are also bunkered down on the opposite side of the globe. I may not be able to go but certainly helps me thinking we’ll get back to some level of normality soon. Help each other out be kind, if nothing else good has come out of this nightmare the fact that there’s some sense of community back for many isn’t a bad thing. I would book those flights later , can imagine airlines will be having vast discounts to regain customers the longer the restrictions proceeds, plus a headache with getting your money back if airline files for bankruptcy with the uncertainty ahead
Nah they’re cheap at present. They’ll jump after all this when demand picks up. Just stick with an airline that’s either state backed like Emirates or well capitalised and be prepared for a credit or to move it.
We can all jump up and down after the event at China and point fingers then. We can also choose to ignore that you don’t have to look very far to find similar breaches here in the UK and US (we also won’t mention that the US helped with funding the Wuhan lab by all accounts, happy to be told I’m wrong). www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/26587505www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/04/-sp-100-safety-breaches-uk-labs-potentially-deadly-diseasesI know some here love a link. Ps. Before anyone asks no I haven’t done a deep dive on the sources or journalists involved. All in all it’s not going to help the situation at present. Yes it’s a mess but we’re in it for the foreseeable. As difficult as it seems a positive mindset goes some way to help the current situation. So regardless of whether I can or maybe cannot go I’m still going to go about my life. That includes trying to book those flights for later in the year (perhaps naively as some may think) and hope that soon I can get to see some of my family that are also bunkered down on the opposite side of the globe. I may not be able to go but certainly helps me thinking we’ll get back to some level of normality soon. Help each other out be kind, if nothing else good has come out of this nightmare the fact that there’s some sense of community back for many isn’t a bad thing. I would book those flights later , can imagine airlines will be having vast discounts to regain customers the longer the restrictions proceeds, plus a headache with getting your money back if airline files for bankruptcy with the uncertainty ahead Nah they’re cheap at present. They’ll jump after all this when demand picks up. Just stick with an airline that’s either state backed like Emirates or well capitalised and be prepared for a credit or to move it. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Leotard on Apr 16, 2020 20:37:22 GMT 1, This Boris bloke applauding nurses - is he the same one that applauded and cheered in the House of Commons a couple of years ago after he and the Conservative party successfully voted to block nurses getting a minimal pay rise? Asking for some friends in the NHS.
Yep the very same,along with the other sycophants Hancock,Raab & Gove ......c**ts one and all.
This Boris bloke applauding nurses - is he the same one that applauded and cheered in the House of Commons a couple of years ago after he and the Conservative party successfully voted to block nurses getting a minimal pay rise? Asking for some friends in the NHS. Yep the very same,along with the other sycophants Hancock,Raab & Gove ......c**ts one and all. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 16, 2020 21:47:59 GMT 1, I would book those flights later , can imagine airlines will be having vast discounts to regain customers the longer the restrictions proceeds, plus a headache with getting your money back if airline files for bankruptcy with the uncertainty ahead Nah they’re cheap at present. They’ll jump after all this when demand picks up. Just stick with an airline that’s either state backed like Emirates or well capitalised and be prepared for a credit or to move it.
After this I’d rather have cash in hand , the Zika virus caught us out last time , but ended up in Mauritius after Jamaica was in the hotspot !
What an island 🌴☀️😎plus I’d hate to be stranded as some citizens still are if things change again...I think people will be more cautious with everything from now on , and appreciate the smaller things in life a lot more
I would book those flights later , can imagine airlines will be having vast discounts to regain customers the longer the restrictions proceeds, plus a headache with getting your money back if airline files for bankruptcy with the uncertainty ahead Nah they’re cheap at present. They’ll jump after all this when demand picks up. Just stick with an airline that’s either state backed like Emirates or well capitalised and be prepared for a credit or to move it. After this I’d rather have cash in hand , the Zika virus caught us out last time , but ended up in Mauritius after Jamaica was in the hotspot ! What an island 🌴☀️😎plus I’d hate to be stranded as some citizens still are if things change again...I think people will be more cautious with everything from now on , and appreciate the smaller things in life a lot more |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 16, 2020 21:55:22 GMT 1, Clear to see the governments have got away with many false promises And never been answerable for the consequences and all has come to the front now and all will be answerable Now , moving forward they will learn from this and all sectors that are underfunded hopefully will be increased as these Sectors are the ones keeping the country together in a crisis Now as if a pandemic occurs again there are no excuses left .
Clear to see the governments have got away with many false promises And never been answerable for the consequences and all has come to the front now and all will be answerable Now , moving forward they will learn from this and all sectors that are underfunded hopefully will be increased as these Sectors are the ones keeping the country together in a crisis Now as if a pandemic occurs again there are no excuses left .
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 16, 2020 22:56:17 GMT 1, We can all jump up and down after the event at China and point fingers then. We can also choose to ignore that you don’t have to look very far to find similar breaches here in the UK and US (we also won’t mention that the US helped with funding the Wuhan lab by all accounts, happy to be told I’m wrong). www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/26587505www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/04/-sp-100-safety-breaches-uk-labs-potentially-deadly-diseasesI know some here love a link. Ps. Before anyone asks no I haven’t done a deep dive on the sources or journalists involved. All in all it’s not going to help the situation at present. Yes it’s a mess but we’re in it for the foreseeable. As difficult as it seems a positive mindset goes some way to help the current situation. So regardless of whether I can or maybe cannot go I’m still going to go about my life. That includes trying to book those flights for later in the year (perhaps naively as some may think) and hope that soon I can get to see some of my family that are also bunkered down on the opposite side of the globe. I may not be able to go but certainly helps me thinking we’ll get back to some level of normality soon. Help each other out be kind, if nothing else good has come out of this nightmare the fact that there’s some sense of community back for many isn’t a bad thing. I read about that too. Not the US govt. But they had received and were requesting MORE money from a US University to help with funding, specifically a University of Texas medical branch as they were working on some of the same research. They also have verified cables to said university asking for more money and citing that they were concerned about safety conditions. Why on earth China wouldn’t fund them, at minimum to fix the safety conditions is beyond me. Actually it’s not. If you want to get pissed off. Start researching their Muslim worker camps where they take the kids away and put the parents into factories. Yeah. That’s a thing. Not sure how it’s a Texas Universities job to fix the working conditions in a Chinese medical facility. But it is becoming clearer by the day China fuckked up. Whether it was lab created, meant to be a bio weapon or was a strain they found and it just got out. It all seems to point back to their med facility. The problem people like myself have. Is they are trying to cover it up. They need to take the god damn L, grow a pair of balls, admit they fuckked up, APOLOGIZE to EVERYONE and allow all countries that can assist to come into said facility and help figure it out. Acting shady is only gonna make things worse. I don’t want to see what happens if they continue to act like shady bitches, but I know what will happen if they can’t man up. If China owes the WORLD anything. It’s COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. Now isn’t the time to go all Kim Jung Un. 😉
If China were to blame that would never come to light
The compensation they would owe to every country and individual effected Would cripple their country
The trade deals lost and They would be blocked by other countries out of the world economy , this would lead to mass financial losses to their nation and mass famine eventually And deaths unseen of before .
Would create racism and social isolation of the race unseen ever before ,already publicised in the early stages of spread in the uk of Sporadic cases of racism towards Chinese nationals Based on a natural occurrence of a virus imagine the effect of this was a lab accident or malicious act
Let’s hope for humanity it is a natural occurrence And evidence as yet does not disprove yet
Although quoted months in by leading scientists they are still understanding this virus And little is known and never seen anything like this before
We can all jump up and down after the event at China and point fingers then. We can also choose to ignore that you don’t have to look very far to find similar breaches here in the UK and US (we also won’t mention that the US helped with funding the Wuhan lab by all accounts, happy to be told I’m wrong). www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/26587505www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/04/-sp-100-safety-breaches-uk-labs-potentially-deadly-diseasesI know some here love a link. Ps. Before anyone asks no I haven’t done a deep dive on the sources or journalists involved. All in all it’s not going to help the situation at present. Yes it’s a mess but we’re in it for the foreseeable. As difficult as it seems a positive mindset goes some way to help the current situation. So regardless of whether I can or maybe cannot go I’m still going to go about my life. That includes trying to book those flights for later in the year (perhaps naively as some may think) and hope that soon I can get to see some of my family that are also bunkered down on the opposite side of the globe. I may not be able to go but certainly helps me thinking we’ll get back to some level of normality soon. Help each other out be kind, if nothing else good has come out of this nightmare the fact that there’s some sense of community back for many isn’t a bad thing. I read about that too. Not the US govt. But they had received and were requesting MORE money from a US University to help with funding, specifically a University of Texas medical branch as they were working on some of the same research. They also have verified cables to said university asking for more money and citing that they were concerned about safety conditions. Why on earth China wouldn’t fund them, at minimum to fix the safety conditions is beyond me. Actually it’s not. If you want to get pissed off. Start researching their Muslim worker camps where they take the kids away and put the parents into factories. Yeah. That’s a thing. Not sure how it’s a Texas Universities job to fix the working conditions in a Chinese medical facility. But it is becoming clearer by the day China fuckked up. Whether it was lab created, meant to be a bio weapon or was a strain they found and it just got out. It all seems to point back to their med facility. The problem people like myself have. Is they are trying to cover it up. They need to take the god damn L, grow a pair of balls, admit they fuckked up, APOLOGIZE to EVERYONE and allow all countries that can assist to come into said facility and help figure it out. Acting shady is only gonna make things worse. I don’t want to see what happens if they continue to act like shady bitches, but I know what will happen if they can’t man up. If China owes the WORLD anything. It’s COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. Now isn’t the time to go all Kim Jung Un. 😉 If China were to blame that would never come to light The compensation they would owe to every country and individual effected Would cripple their country The trade deals lost and They would be blocked by other countries out of the world economy , this would lead to mass financial losses to their nation and mass famine eventually And deaths unseen of before . Would create racism and social isolation of the race unseen ever before ,already publicised in the early stages of spread in the uk of Sporadic cases of racism towards Chinese nationals Based on a natural occurrence of a virus imagine the effect of this was a lab accident or malicious act Let’s hope for humanity it is a natural occurrence And evidence as yet does not disprove yet Although quoted months in by leading scientists they are still understanding this virus And little is known and never seen anything like this before |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 16, 2020 23:35:59 GMT 1, America is planning to open state by state , how easy would it be to open county by county in the uk
The whole county could be tested then move On , gives time to carry out tests and creates a greater picture of the spread of the virus
All countries are evading procedures to introduce testing to the entire nation? The way deaths are recorded worldwide it seems purposefully done to mislead the real numbers involved
America is planning to open state by state , how easy would it be to open county by county in the uk
The whole county could be tested then move On , gives time to carry out tests and creates a greater picture of the spread of the virus
All countries are evading procedures to introduce testing to the entire nation? The way deaths are recorded worldwide it seems purposefully done to mislead the real numbers involved
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mw on Apr 17, 2020 1:07:20 GMT 1, Exit strategy. With so few tests available and such an invisible enemy it's going to take discipline to keep infection rates down. Mask wearing must be mandatory, but can you see everyone doing this?!
The press are all hounding for a strategy and there's Easyjet talking about resuming flying without the middle seat passengers. I'm afraid if our patience to get back to normality is this poor, round 2 is going to be upon us before we've even got off the canvas.
Lay low, recuperate, resupply, then fight.
I know the economy needs to get going, but there's no point running out of our corner just to get knocked to the floor again.
Exit strategy. With so few tests available and such an invisible enemy it's going to take discipline to keep infection rates down. Mask wearing must be mandatory, but can you see everyone doing this?!
The press are all hounding for a strategy and there's Easyjet talking about resuming flying without the middle seat passengers. I'm afraid if our patience to get back to normality is this poor, round 2 is going to be upon us before we've even got off the canvas.
Lay low, recuperate, resupply, then fight.
I know the economy needs to get going, but there's no point running out of our corner just to get knocked to the floor again.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Express Post on Apr 17, 2020 1:36:03 GMT 1, At this point if people can't figure it out to look after themselves or to prevent the spread to others, no point getting the government to help out.
Unless you need to work, or get food, stay at home and wash your hands. Duh.
At this point if people can't figure it out to look after themselves or to prevent the spread to others, no point getting the government to help out. Unless you need to work, or get food, stay at home and wash your hands. Duh. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 17, 2020 1:51:20 GMT 1, At this point if people can't figure it out to look after themselves or to prevent the spread to others, no point getting the government to help out. Unless you need to work, or get food, stay at home and wash your hands. Duh.
If the government have trouble sourcing supplies it will be the same for the general public,most businesses that sell ffp3 masks have redirected supplies to the NHS or purchases can only be made by NHS staff
Some firms are charging £100 for a pack of disposable 10 masks when previously before the outbreak they were £12
A lot of the public will panic buy and be ripped off , a lot of companies setting up fake businesses to rip the public off which the NCAA are investigating
Some people are on low incomes and can not afford the extra costs , those that still need to work in warehouses supplying supermarkets etc, the masks are supposed to be single use , costs can add up
Or means tested to supply free masks ?
The NHS clapping event shown on the news , social distancing out the window , shots of people on flat balconies standing next to neighbours , the higher off the ground the greater the wind speed , in all these settings one sneeze of an infected person will travel great distances .
www.davronline.co.uk/product/3m-9332-foldable-valved-dust-mist-metal-fume-respirator
Thinking forward when restrictions lifted the virus will still be there and when everyone resumes work , masks should be worn by all , as mentioned some people will be on low incomes and even if infected will still go to work as in debt others that will not show the typical symptoms will be spreading the virus unwittingly
At this point if people can't figure it out to look after themselves or to prevent the spread to others, no point getting the government to help out. Unless you need to work, or get food, stay at home and wash your hands. Duh. If the government have trouble sourcing supplies it will be the same for the general public,most businesses that sell ffp3 masks have redirected supplies to the NHS or purchases can only be made by NHS staff Some firms are charging £100 for a pack of disposable 10 masks when previously before the outbreak they were £12 A lot of the public will panic buy and be ripped off , a lot of companies setting up fake businesses to rip the public off which the NCAA are investigating Some people are on low incomes and can not afford the extra costs , those that still need to work in warehouses supplying supermarkets etc, the masks are supposed to be single use , costs can add up Or means tested to supply free masks ? The NHS clapping event shown on the news , social distancing out the window , shots of people on flat balconies standing next to neighbours , the higher off the ground the greater the wind speed , in all these settings one sneeze of an infected person will travel great distances . www.davronline.co.uk/product/3m-9332-foldable-valved-dust-mist-metal-fume-respiratorThinking forward when restrictions lifted the virus will still be there and when everyone resumes work , masks should be worn by all , as mentioned some people will be on low incomes and even if infected will still go to work as in debt others that will not show the typical symptoms will be spreading the virus unwittingly |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by The Observer on Apr 17, 2020 7:24:41 GMT 1, Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts?
Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts?
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by wrigs on Apr 17, 2020 7:38:36 GMT 1, Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts?
If we all stop buying services and goods the economy will take a bigger battering than its already going to. Feel good you’ve helped a small business/artist in what’s going to be a tough few years.
Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts? If we all stop buying services and goods the economy will take a bigger battering than its already going to. Feel good you’ve helped a small business/artist in what’s going to be a tough few years. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mw on Apr 17, 2020 8:47:03 GMT 1, Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts?
I think if you can afford it why not. Obviously everyone's circumstances are different. I justify it by thinking of the saving on the next couple of foreign holidays I won't be taking.
I'm buying small originals on IG #artistsupportpledge. There's plenty of toot, but there's also some great work and I've even commissioned a couple of small pieces. In each case it's so nice to talk to the artists, hear their stories and help in a small way.
Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts? I think if you can afford it why not. Obviously everyone's circumstances are different. I justify it by thinking of the saving on the next couple of foreign holidays I won't be taking. I'm buying small originals on IG #artistsupportpledge. There's plenty of toot, but there's also some great work and I've even commissioned a couple of small pieces. In each case it's so nice to talk to the artists, hear their stories and help in a small way. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Express Post on Apr 17, 2020 9:20:07 GMT 1, Good on you for helping the artist.
If you want to get an idea of the artists degree of success, talk to the gallerist and find out what plans they have in stall for the artist, i.e. fairs, group shows, solo shows, museum shows, etc.
A decent gallerist knows curators at public galleries and usually offer them the works first.
If you have more than one gallery repping or trying to rep the artist, then you're onto a good thing.
Good luck.
Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts?
Good on you for helping the artist. If you want to get an idea of the artists degree of success, talk to the gallerist and find out what plans they have in stall for the artist, i.e. fairs, group shows, solo shows, museum shows, etc. A decent gallerist knows curators at public galleries and usually offer them the works first. If you have more than one gallery repping or trying to rep the artist, then you're onto a good thing. Good luck. Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 17, 2020 11:05:14 GMT 1, news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-how-the-need-to-treat-and-prevent-covid-19-is-powering-forward-medical-progress-11974369
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-one-in-five-britons-unsure-about-getting-covid-19-vacicne-poll-11974451m
With the source of the virus still not known and speculation about its origin and now
With the uk and American government now investigating if the source of the virus was from a laboratory
This is at a point when the governments need to reveal all facts and become 100% transparent with their investigations if they want their citizens to take complete a vaccine inoculation course when becomes available .
Ideally 100% uptake of the vaccine needs to introduced into the population to eradicate the virus and with speculation now from governments with China's involvement with the virus can not see the majority of the public willing to take a vaccine that is part of the virus that is potentially engineered from a lab
Also trials and development on vaccines usually are 5-10years to the end product
Quotes being made to produce a vaccine in fifteen months to two years , to meet these deadlines short cuts will have been made ,
what effects these vaccines will have on the human body months or years later on the human body no one knows
As the long term after effect studies would of been by passed with no mass studies carried out could potentially be more dangerous . Could these have effects on child birth?.
Mass live human trial studies would not be met .
There is already a stigma with children's immunisations and many parents do not have their child immunised as of not enough information out there to allay their fears and doubts , all studies and factual information needs to be available to the general public
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-how-the-need-to-treat-and-prevent-covid-19-is-powering-forward-medical-progress-11974369news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-one-in-five-britons-unsure-about-getting-covid-19-vacicne-poll-11974451mWith the source of the virus still not known and speculation about its origin and now With the uk and American government now investigating if the source of the virus was from a laboratory This is at a point when the governments need to reveal all facts and become 100% transparent with their investigations if they want their citizens to take complete a vaccine inoculation course when becomes available . Ideally 100% uptake of the vaccine needs to introduced into the population to eradicate the virus and with speculation now from governments with China's involvement with the virus can not see the majority of the public willing to take a vaccine that is part of the virus that is potentially engineered from a lab Also trials and development on vaccines usually are 5-10years to the end product Quotes being made to produce a vaccine in fifteen months to two years , to meet these deadlines short cuts will have been made , what effects these vaccines will have on the human body months or years later on the human body no one knows As the long term after effect studies would of been by passed with no mass studies carried out could potentially be more dangerous . Could these have effects on child birth?. Mass live human trial studies would not be met . There is already a stigma with children's immunisations and many parents do not have their child immunised as of not enough information out there to allay their fears and doubts , all studies and factual information needs to be available to the general public
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by denzil on Apr 17, 2020 11:18:36 GMT 1, I think they will be working through all the many drugs they know are safe and hope to the jackpot combo, before they start experimenting with the two headed shite
I think they will be working through all the many drugs they know are safe and hope to the jackpot combo, before they start experimenting with the two headed shite
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 17, 2020 11:19:29 GMT 1, Good on you for helping the artist. If you want to get an idea of the artists degree of success, talk to the gallerist and find out what plans they have in stall for the artist, i.e. fairs, group shows, solo shows, museum shows, etc. A decent gallerist knows curators at public galleries and usually offer them the works first. If you have more than one gallery repping or trying to rep the artist, then you're onto a good thing. Good luck. Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts?
An emerging artist could list all the art shows for this year and just say they were cancelled due the unforeseen circumstance 😬The back history I learnt the other day on the Connor brothers 🙄
Good on you for helping the artist. If you want to get an idea of the artists degree of success, talk to the gallerist and find out what plans they have in stall for the artist, i.e. fairs, group shows, solo shows, museum shows, etc. A decent gallerist knows curators at public galleries and usually offer them the works first. If you have more than one gallery repping or trying to rep the artist, then you're onto a good thing. Good luck. Would you buy a canvas from an emerging (but gallery shown) artist right now? I just did and part of me feels good to support them, but part of me feels like a fool for letting go of cash. Any thoughts? An emerging artist could list all the art shows for this year and just say they were cancelled due the unforeseen circumstance 😬The back history I learnt the other day on the Connor brothers 🙄 |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 17, 2020 11:37:28 GMT 1, I think they will be working through all the many drugs they know are safe and hope to the jackpot combo, before they start experimenting with the two headeds**te
www.ft.com/content/38991820-8fc7-11e8-b639-7680cedcc421
Base products for all these vaccines and medicines are in short supply as already quoted by all world governments and china is a leading supplier of these essential required drugs
There is a rush to develop any cure to save lives , the economy and there is an undiscussed financial incentive for the first company to develope a vaccine that the whole world would need immediately ,
These companies the main goal is profit , otherwise the vast majority of products could be released cheaper
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements
bulletin.represent.us/3-big-pharma-stories-will-make-sick/
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by lorraballs on Apr 17, 2020 15:39:23 GMT 1, I read about that too. Not the US govt. But they had received and were requesting MORE money from a US University to help with funding, specifically a University of Texas medical branch as they were working on some of the same research. They also have verified cables to said university asking for more money and citing that they were concerned about safety conditions. Why on earth China wouldn’t fund them, at minimum to fix the safety conditions is beyond me. Actually it’s not. If you want to get pissed off. Start researching their Muslim worker camps where they take the kids away and put the parents into factories. Yeah. That’s a thing. Not sure how it’s a Texas Universities job to fix the working conditions in a Chinese medical facility. But it is becoming clearer by the day China fuckked up. Whether it was lab created, meant to be a bio weapon or was a strain they found and it just got out. It all seems to point back to their med facility. The problem people like myself have. Is they are trying to cover it up. They need to take the god damn L, grow a pair of balls, admit they fuckked up, APOLOGIZE to EVERYONE and allow all countries that can assist to come into said facility and help figure it out. Acting shady is only gonna make things worse. I don’t want to see what happens if they continue to act like shady bitches, but I know what will happen if they can’t man up. If China owes the WORLD anything. It’s COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. Now isn’t the time to go all Kim Jung Un. 😉 If China were to blame that would never come to light The compensation they would owe to every country and individual effected Would cripple their country The trade deals lost and They would be blocked by other countries out of the world economy , this would lead to mass financial losses to their nation and mass famine eventually And deaths unseen of before . Would create racism and social isolation of the race unseen ever before ,already publicised in the early stages of spread in the uk of Sporadic cases of racism towards Chinese nationals Based on a natural occurrence of a virus imagine the effect of this was a lab accident or malicious act Let’s hope for humanity it is a natural occurrence And evidence as yet does not disprove yet Although quoted months in by leading scientists they are still understanding this virus And little is known and never seen anything like this before
I read about that too. Not the US govt. But they had received and were requesting MORE money from a US University to help with funding, specifically a University of Texas medical branch as they were working on some of the same research. They also have verified cables to said university asking for more money and citing that they were concerned about safety conditions. Why on earth China wouldn’t fund them, at minimum to fix the safety conditions is beyond me. Actually it’s not. If you want to get pissed off. Start researching their Muslim worker camps where they take the kids away and put the parents into factories. Yeah. That’s a thing. Not sure how it’s a Texas Universities job to fix the working conditions in a Chinese medical facility. But it is becoming clearer by the day China fuckked up. Whether it was lab created, meant to be a bio weapon or was a strain they found and it just got out. It all seems to point back to their med facility. The problem people like myself have. Is they are trying to cover it up. They need to take the god damn L, grow a pair of balls, admit they fuckked up, APOLOGIZE to EVERYONE and allow all countries that can assist to come into said facility and help figure it out. Acting shady is only gonna make things worse. I don’t want to see what happens if they continue to act like shady bitches, but I know what will happen if they can’t man up. If China owes the WORLD anything. It’s COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY. Now isn’t the time to go all Kim Jung Un. 😉 If China were to blame that would never come to light The compensation they would owe to every country and individual effected Would cripple their country The trade deals lost and They would be blocked by other countries out of the world economy , this would lead to mass financial losses to their nation and mass famine eventually And deaths unseen of before . Would create racism and social isolation of the race unseen ever before ,already publicised in the early stages of spread in the uk of Sporadic cases of racism towards Chinese nationals Based on a natural occurrence of a virus imagine the effect of this was a lab accident or malicious act Let’s hope for humanity it is a natural occurrence And evidence as yet does not disprove yet Although quoted months in by leading scientists they are still understanding this virus And little is known and never seen anything like this before Are you simple? Or 12? Do you really believe the above or is it an elaborate trolling exercise? Compensation? Loss of trade deals? |
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