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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by rbt on Apr 17, 2020 15:35:26 GMT 1, No way they got 250 done and paid yet. Just cutting the list based on whatever factors they decided to filter on - country you live in, if you bough prior, if you are vip, social media check.
No way they got 250 done and paid yet. Just cutting the list based on whatever factors they decided to filter on - country you live in, if you bough prior, if you are vip, social media check.
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Poster Bob on Apr 17, 2020 15:39:56 GMT 1, Pretty easy to figure out. VIPs got the email nice and early and bought up almost all of the prints.
They then sent out the email and posted about the release, getting a huge response and said it was sold out given the number of inquiries.
They then allocated the rest to non-VIPs based on having previously purchased pieces or other criteria. They're gone. You're not getting anything. Doesn't matter if you replied to the email in five seconds. Sorry Brosef.
Pretty easy to figure out. VIPs got the email nice and early and bought up almost all of the prints.
They then sent out the email and posted about the release, getting a huge response and said it was sold out given the number of inquiries.
They then allocated the rest to non-VIPs based on having previously purchased pieces or other criteria. They're gone. You're not getting anything. Doesn't matter if you replied to the email in five seconds. Sorry Brosef.
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by rbt on Apr 17, 2020 15:41:31 GMT 1, Funny though that many of the "vips" are art advisors or dealer types - they will no doubt flip these.
Funny though that many of the "vips" are art advisors or dealer types - they will no doubt flip these.
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Poster Bob on Apr 17, 2020 15:43:10 GMT 1, Why is that "funny"? Any time Harland puts out a print at least 50% go to the same galleries who add a massive mark-up and they don't sell. Just look at Artsy.
Funny though that many of the "vips" are art advisors or dealer types - they will no doubt flip these.
Why is that "funny"? Any time Harland puts out a print at least 50% go to the same galleries who add a massive mark-up and they don't sell. Just look at Artsy. Funny though that many of the "vips" are art advisors or dealer types - they will no doubt flip these.
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by rbt on Apr 17, 2020 15:48:01 GMT 1, Why is that "funny"? Any time Harland puts out a print at least 50% go to the same galleries who add a massive mark-up and they don't sell. Just look at Artsy. Funny though that many of the "vips" are art advisors or dealer types - they will no doubt flip these. I dunno...figured since this was print for charity they would be more "charitable" and allow us normal peeps to buy
Why is that "funny"? Any time Harland puts out a print at least 50% go to the same galleries who add a massive mark-up and they don't sell. Just look at Artsy. Funny though that many of the "vips" are art advisors or dealer types - they will no doubt flip these. I dunno...figured since this was print for charity they would be more "charitable" and allow us normal peeps to buy
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Poster Bob on Apr 17, 2020 15:54:18 GMT 1, You can't distinguish you normal people from flippers. The gallerists have been buying his work from source for years.
Why is that "funny"? Any time Harland puts out a print at least 50% go to the same galleries who add a massive mark-up and they don't sell. Just look at Artsy. I dunno...figured since this was print for charity they would be more "charitable" and allow us normal peeps to buy
You can't distinguish you normal people from flippers. The gallerists have been buying his work from source for years. Why is that "funny"? Any time Harland puts out a print at least 50% go to the same galleries who add a massive mark-up and they don't sell. Just look at Artsy. I dunno...figured since this was print for charity they would be more "charitable" and allow us normal peeps to buy
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by maven on Apr 17, 2020 18:27:22 GMT 1, Thatโs a shame, as I really wanted to pppp pick up a penguin ๐ง
Thatโs a shame, as I really wanted to pppp pick up a penguin ๐ง
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Lazarus II on Apr 17, 2020 18:38:55 GMT 1, Thatโs a shame, as I really wanted to pppp pick up a penguin ๐ง u might get a ppppuffin instead. The Connor Bros will be along shortly...
Thatโs a shame, as I really wanted to pppp pick up a penguin ๐ง u might get a ppppuffin instead. The Connor Bros will be along shortly...
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by shy on Apr 17, 2020 20:19:05 GMT 1, Simply put Harland Miller is a RockStar! No doubt you have a โlarge collectionโ of his albums And singles. Albums as in originals
and
Singles as in prints
Rock On!!!
And One can only wish...
most important thing is to collect what you love and stay within your budget.
Not to worry as there is always another amazing piece of art that comes up for sale.
Simply put Harland Miller is a RockStar! No doubt you have a โlarge collectionโ of his albums And singles. Albums as in originals and Singles as in prints Rock On!!! And One can only wish... most important thing is to collect what you love and stay within your budget. Not to worry as there is always another amazing piece of art that comes up for sale.
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by rbt on Apr 17, 2020 20:36:48 GMT 1, Anyone heard anything today?
Anyone heard anything today?
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by irl1 on Apr 17, 2020 20:56:41 GMT 1, Anyone heard anything today? Ask john1539 he seems to know a lot about prints
Anyone heard anything today? Ask john1539 he seems to know a lot about prints
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by The Origin on Apr 17, 2020 21:12:01 GMT 1, Anyone heard anything today? Spoke with WC earlier. Doesnโt sound like itโs finished yet...
They said they are understaffed and have thousands of emails to go through.
They mentioned that everyone who emailed BEFORE the Sold Out announcement on the Friday afternoon will receive a reply of some description - be that letting people know itโs all sold out and allocated or offering them a chance to buy.
So if you emailed fast and havenโt had a sold out reply yet then there is still hope.... I think .... who dares wins I guess...
Anyone heard anything today? Spoke with WC earlier. Doesnโt sound like itโs finished yet... They said they are understaffed and have thousands of emails to go through. They mentioned that everyone who emailed BEFORE the Sold Out announcement on the Friday afternoon will receive a reply of some description - be that letting people know itโs all sold out and allocated or offering them a chance to buy. So if you emailed fast and havenโt had a sold out reply yet then there is still hope.... I think .... who dares wins I guess...
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by ignition0 on Apr 18, 2020 9:18:06 GMT 1, Does anyone know if VAT is going to be applied? Seem to be mixed messages as the proceeds are going to charity?
Does anyone know if VAT is going to be applied? Seem to be mixed messages as the proceeds are going to charity?
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by artlife11 on Apr 19, 2020 7:43:44 GMT 1, In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, Harland Miller and White Cube are proud to release Who Cares Wins (2020), a special charity edition to raise GBP 1.25m in support of frontline charities across the UK and internationally. Harland Miller Who Cares Wins 2020 Edition of 250 15 colour silkscreen print on Somerset tubsized 410gsm paper Unframed 39 3/8 x 27 9/16 in. (100 x 70 cm) Signed and numbered GBP 5,000 plus applicable taxes Shipping: Pricing excludes shipping. For London purchases, we recommend collection from White Cube Bermondsey. The edition is currently in fabrication and production will take approximately 3 months. Timelines and shipping will be subject to COVID-19 restrictions. Payment: Payment is kindly asked for on receipt of invoice to enable life-saving funds to be channelled immediately to the charitable causes. Framing: This work is sold unframed. All proceeds from the sale of this edition of 250, priced at GBP 5,000 each, will be donated tothe National Emergencies Trust in the UK, the New York Community Trust and HandsOn Hong Kong. Given Harland Millerโs close relationship to his hometown of York, part of the UK funds will support NHS (National Health Service) staff in hospitals across Yorkshire, England.
Anyone got an invoice yet? What was the total cost? Does this have VAT added
In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, Harland Miller and White Cube are proud to release Who Cares Wins (2020), a special charity edition to raise GBP 1.25m in support of frontline charities across the UK and internationally. Harland Miller Who Cares Wins 2020 Edition of 250 15 colour silkscreen print on Somerset tubsized 410gsm paper Unframed 39 3/8 x 27 9/16 in. (100 x 70 cm) Signed and numbered GBP 5,000 plus applicable taxes Shipping: Pricing excludes shipping. For London purchases, we recommend collection from White Cube Bermondsey. The edition is currently in fabrication and production will take approximately 3 months. Timelines and shipping will be subject to COVID-19 restrictions. Payment: Payment is kindly asked for on receipt of invoice to enable life-saving funds to be channelled immediately to the charitable causes. Framing: This work is sold unframed. All proceeds from the sale of this edition of 250, priced at GBP 5,000 each, will be donated tothe National Emergencies Trust in the UK, the New York Community Trust and HandsOn Hong Kong. Given Harland Millerโs close relationship to his hometown of York, part of the UK funds will support NHS (National Health Service) staff in hospitals across Yorkshire, England. Anyone got an invoice yet? What was the total cost? Does this have VAT added
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Fะฏ on Apr 19, 2020 11:08:44 GMT 1, In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, Harland Miller and White Cube are proud to release Who Cares Wins (2020), a special charity edition to raise GBP 1.25m in support of frontline charities across the UK and internationally. Harland Miller Who Cares Wins 2020 Edition of 250 15 colour silkscreen print on Somerset tubsized 410gsm paper Unframed 39 3/8 x 27 9/16 in. (100 x 70 cm) Signed and numbered GBP 5,000 plus applicable taxes Shipping: Pricing excludes shipping. For London purchases, we recommend collection from White Cube Bermondsey. The edition is currently in fabrication and production will take approximately 3 months. Timelines and shipping will be subject to COVID-19 restrictions. Payment: Payment is kindly asked for on receipt of invoice to enable life-saving funds to be channelled immediately to the charitable causes. Framing: This work is sold unframed. All proceeds from the sale of this edition of 250, priced at GBP 5,000 each, will be donated tothe National Emergencies Trust in the UK, the New York Community Trust and HandsOn Hong Kong. Given Harland Millerโs close relationship to his hometown of York, part of the UK funds will support NHS (National Health Service) staff in hospitals across Yorkshire, England. Anyone got an invoice yet? What was the total cost? Does this have VAT added
Is the bit you posted that says โplus applicable taxesโ not clear enough for you
In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, Harland Miller and White Cube are proud to release Who Cares Wins (2020), a special charity edition to raise GBP 1.25m in support of frontline charities across the UK and internationally. Harland Miller Who Cares Wins 2020 Edition of 250 15 colour silkscreen print on Somerset tubsized 410gsm paper Unframed 39 3/8 x 27 9/16 in. (100 x 70 cm) Signed and numbered GBP 5,000 plus applicable taxes Shipping: Pricing excludes shipping. For London purchases, we recommend collection from White Cube Bermondsey. The edition is currently in fabrication and production will take approximately 3 months. Timelines and shipping will be subject to COVID-19 restrictions. Payment: Payment is kindly asked for on receipt of invoice to enable life-saving funds to be channelled immediately to the charitable causes. Framing: This work is sold unframed. All proceeds from the sale of this edition of 250, priced at GBP 5,000 each, will be donated tothe National Emergencies Trust in the UK, the New York Community Trust and HandsOn Hong Kong. Given Harland Millerโs close relationship to his hometown of York, part of the UK funds will support NHS (National Health Service) staff in hospitals across Yorkshire, England. Anyone got an invoice yet? What was the total cost? Does this have VAT added Is the bit you posted that says โplus applicable taxesโ not clear enough for you
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by artlife11 on Apr 19, 2020 11:32:20 GMT 1, Anyone got an invoice yet? What was the total cost? Does this have VAT added Is the bit you posted that says โplus applicable taxesโ not clear enough for you
No
Anyone got an invoice yet? What was the total cost? Does this have VAT added Is the bit you posted that says โplus applicable taxesโ not clear enough for you No
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by sven on Apr 20, 2020 21:02:21 GMT 1, Just had an email from white cube....to tell me I didnโt get selected
Just had an email from white cube....to tell me I didnโt get selected
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by funtime on Apr 20, 2020 21:06:12 GMT 1, Me too... doh! As I have said before, if anyone has an allocation that they no longer want please drop me a PM and I will make it more than worth your while. Thanks, James.
Me too... doh! As I have said before, if anyone has an allocation that they no longer want please drop me a PM and I will make it more than worth your while. Thanks, James.
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by maven on Apr 20, 2020 21:10:00 GMT 1, disappointing
disappointing
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by maccamjm on Apr 20, 2020 21:14:57 GMT 1, Yeah had the email as well.
Emailed less than an hour after newsletter so sold out within and hour.
Thought I had a chance ๐ญ
Yeah had the email as well.
Emailed less than an hour after newsletter so sold out within and hour.
Thought I had a chance ๐ญ
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Zippy on Apr 20, 2020 21:18:33 GMT 1, Wanted one. Didnโt get. Message me if regretting your purchase.
Wanted one. Didnโt get. Message me if regretting your purchase.
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by irl1 on Apr 20, 2020 21:25:16 GMT 1, Thank you very much for your interest in acquiring Harland Millerโs new edition โWho Cares Winsโ.
Harland and all of us at White Cube are completely overwhelmed by the generosity and speed of response to this special initiative in support of those fighting the virus on the front line. We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm that we have been able to raise GBP 1.25m (USD 1.55m) to help tackle the COVID-19 pandemic.
Given the extraordinary demand, the edition sold out very swiftly. If you have not received a confirmation email from us already then I am afraid that on this occasion we are not able to offer you an edition.
Thank you very much for your interest in acquiring Harland Millerโs new edition โWho Cares Winsโ.
Harland and all of us at White Cube are completely overwhelmed by the generosity and speed of response to this special initiative in support of those fighting the virus on the front line. We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm that we have been able to raise GBP 1.25m (USD 1.55m) to help tackle the COVID-19 pandemic.
Given the extraordinary demand, the edition sold out very swiftly. If you have not received a confirmation email from us already then I am afraid that on this occasion we are not able to offer you an edition.
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by rosac on Apr 20, 2020 21:27:05 GMT 1, Offered to increase the donation considerably, still didnโt get one. Meh
Offered to increase the donation considerably, still didnโt get one. Meh
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Riotcops on Apr 20, 2020 21:28:07 GMT 1, Thank you very much for your interest in acquiring Harland Millerโs new edition โWho Cares Winsโ. Harland and all of us at White Cube are completely overwhelmed by the generosity and speed of response to this special initiative in support of those fighting the virus on the front line. We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm that we have been able to raise GBP 1.25m (USD 1.55m) to help tackle the COVID-19 pandemic. Given the extraordinary demand, the edition sold out very swiftly. If you have not received a confirmation email from us already then I am afraid that on this occasion we are not able to offer you an edition. Whose heart skipped a beat with "We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm..." before sheer disappointment?
Thank you very much for your interest in acquiring Harland Millerโs new edition โWho Cares Winsโ. Harland and all of us at White Cube are completely overwhelmed by the generosity and speed of response to this special initiative in support of those fighting the virus on the front line. We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm that we have been able to raise GBP 1.25m (USD 1.55m) to help tackle the COVID-19 pandemic. Given the extraordinary demand, the edition sold out very swiftly. If you have not received a confirmation email from us already then I am afraid that on this occasion we are not able to offer you an edition. Whose heart skipped a beat with "We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm..." before sheer disappointment?
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by irl1 on Apr 20, 2020 21:32:10 GMT 1, Thank you very much for your interest in acquiring Harland Millerโs new edition โWho Cares Winsโ. Harland and all of us at White Cube are completely overwhelmed by the generosity and speed of response to this special initiative in support of those fighting the virus on the front line. We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm that we have been able to raise GBP 1.25m (USD 1.55m) to help tackle the COVID-19 pandemic. Given the extraordinary demand, the edition sold out very swiftly. If you have not received a confirmation email from us already then I am afraid that on this occasion we are not able to offer you an edition. Whose heart skipped a beat with "We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm..." before sheer disappointment? That's why I posted the email, man they could have worded it a bit better
Thank you very much for your interest in acquiring Harland Millerโs new edition โWho Cares Winsโ. Harland and all of us at White Cube are completely overwhelmed by the generosity and speed of response to this special initiative in support of those fighting the virus on the front line. We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm that we have been able to raise GBP 1.25m (USD 1.55m) to help tackle the COVID-19 pandemic. Given the extraordinary demand, the edition sold out very swiftly. If you have not received a confirmation email from us already then I am afraid that on this occasion we are not able to offer you an edition. Whose heart skipped a beat with "We received thousands of enquiries and I am delighted to confirm..." before sheer disappointment? That's why I posted the email, man they could have worded it a bit better
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Art for Love 1 on Apr 20, 2020 21:34:24 GMT 1, I had an email! fix! given them to VIP!
I had an email! fix! given them to VIP!
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Express Post on Apr 20, 2020 22:19:42 GMT 1, Are people that desperate to buy this to flip, or are they keen as mustard on supporting the NET, NYCT and HOHK (aka charity)?
I can't wait to see what these look like in person on Artnet, Artsy, Bonhams, eBay, Christie's Online, Phillips, 727 Gallery, and Sotheby's Online.
Are people that desperate to buy this to flip, or are they keen as mustard on supporting the NET, NYCT and HOHK (aka charity)?
I can't wait to see what these look like in person on Artnet, Artsy, Bonhams, eBay, Christie's Online, Phillips, 727 Gallery, and Sotheby's Online.
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by funtime on Apr 21, 2020 8:48:42 GMT 1, Are people that desperate to buy this to flip, or are they keen as mustard on supporting the NET, NYCT and HOHK (aka charity)? I can't wait to see what these look like in person on Artnet, Artsy, Bonhams, eBay, Christie's Online, Phillips, 727 Gallery, and Sotheby's Online.
I was desperate to get one of these as I thought it was my best shot at having a Penguin on my wall. Iโve applied for numerous past releases with no success and canโt really afford the prices that they go for from source in the later tiers these days, or the prices on the used markets.
When I saw that this, I loved it and thought that given the edition size was 5x the size of most previous editions and it was โonlyโ ยฃ6k, I thought this could be the one! It was a bonus that it was supporting a great cause, but never would I bother trying to obtain one to flip... I dare say a lot will have though as you say.
Anyway, better luck next time I suppose... shame the edition wasnโt 500 - he still would have sold out and raised twice as much money!
Are people that desperate to buy this to flip, or are they keen as mustard on supporting the NET, NYCT and HOHK (aka charity)? I can't wait to see what these look like in person on Artnet, Artsy, Bonhams, eBay, Christie's Online, Phillips, 727 Gallery, and Sotheby's Online. I was desperate to get one of these as I thought it was my best shot at having a Penguin on my wall. Iโve applied for numerous past releases with no success and canโt really afford the prices that they go for from source in the later tiers these days, or the prices on the used markets. When I saw that this, I loved it and thought that given the edition size was 5x the size of most previous editions and it was โonlyโ ยฃ6k, I thought this could be the one! It was a bonus that it was supporting a great cause, but never would I bother trying to obtain one to flip... I dare say a lot will have though as you say. Anyway, better luck next time I suppose... shame the edition wasnโt 500 - he still would have sold out and raised twice as much money!
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by Express Post on Apr 21, 2020 8:53:50 GMT 1, For the love of art. I cn fk wit dat.
Are people that desperate to buy this to flip, or are they keen as mustard on supporting the NET, NYCT and HOHK (aka charity)? I can't wait to see what these look like in person on Artnet, Artsy, Bonhams, eBay, Christie's Online, Phillips, 727 Gallery, and Sotheby's Online. I was desperate to get one of these as I thought it was my best shot at having a Penguin on my wall. Iโve applied for numerous past releases with no success and canโt really afford the prices that they go for from source in the later tiers these days, or the prices on the used markets. When I saw that this, I loved it and thought that given the edition size was 5x the size of most previous editions and it was โonlyโ ยฃ6k, I thought this could be the one! It was a bonus that it was supporting a great cause, but never would I bother trying to obtain one to flip... I dare say a lot will have though as you say. Anyway, better luck next time I suppose... shame the edition wasnโt 500 - he still would have sold out and raised twice as much money!
For the love of art. I cn fk wit dat. Are people that desperate to buy this to flip, or are they keen as mustard on supporting the NET, NYCT and HOHK (aka charity)? I can't wait to see what these look like in person on Artnet, Artsy, Bonhams, eBay, Christie's Online, Phillips, 727 Gallery, and Sotheby's Online. I was desperate to get one of these as I thought it was my best shot at having a Penguin on my wall. Iโve applied for numerous past releases with no success and canโt really afford the prices that they go for from source in the later tiers these days, or the prices on the used markets. When I saw that this, I loved it and thought that given the edition size was 5x the size of most previous editions and it was โonlyโ ยฃ6k, I thought this could be the one! It was a bonus that it was supporting a great cause, but never would I bother trying to obtain one to flip... I dare say a lot will have though as you say. Anyway, better luck next time I suppose... shame the edition wasnโt 500 - he still would have sold out and raised twice as much money!
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Harland Miller โข Who Cares Wins Print, by kaos on Apr 21, 2020 10:16:52 GMT 1, Yup! As predicted I got the reject email and then fifteen minutes later got another - reject. So I've been rejected twice. Thanks WC and Mr. Miller.
Yup! As predicted I got the reject email and then fifteen minutes later got another - reject. So I've been rejected twice. Thanks WC and Mr. Miller.
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