FkNewYork
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by FkNewYork on May 17, 2020 11:17:23 GMT 1, beautiful piece, the price looks great, glws
beautiful piece, the price looks great, glws
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by Theories 123 on May 17, 2020 11:58:03 GMT 1, Was the whole edition hand finished by Whatson?
Just for pricing opinion balance to the post above, it's quite expensive compared to the constant supply of main numbered edition prints available. If they aren't hand finished then your price seems reasonable, otherwise you're looking for a big fan of the letter P.
Was the whole edition hand finished by Whatson?
Just for pricing opinion balance to the post above, it's quite expensive compared to the constant supply of main numbered edition prints available. If they aren't hand finished then your price seems reasonable, otherwise you're looking for a big fan of the letter P.
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trastevere
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by trastevere on May 18, 2020 0:04:09 GMT 1, Was the whole edition hand finished by Whatson? Just for pricing opinion balance to the post above, it's quite expensive compared to the constant supply of main numbered edition prints available. If they aren't hand finished then your price seems reasonable, otherwise you're looking for a big fan of the letter P.
sorry if I am misunderstanding your message but English ain't my first language and I got a big confuse.
I am replying to my understanding, hoping it will clarify your doubts.
This print I am a selling is indeed Hand Finished by Martin Whatson.
It's the Hand Finished edition of only 40 prints. On top of that, mine is a PP, which is even rarer.
There is also a main edition of 300 of this print, which isn't Hand Finished.
Same size, but not same value as it is lucking the hand finished part.
So my print is massive in size (I think the biggest collaboration on print he has done), with a big hand finished part and it is a PP of an edition of only 40 while the main is out of 300.
I apologize in advance if I didn't answer your question correctly and if your message got lost in translation.
Cheers and thank you for your comment either ways.
Was the whole edition hand finished by Whatson? Just for pricing opinion balance to the post above, it's quite expensive compared to the constant supply of main numbered edition prints available. If they aren't hand finished then your price seems reasonable, otherwise you're looking for a big fan of the letter P. Hey Theories123, sorry if I am misunderstanding your message but English ain't my first language and I got a big confuse. I am replying to my understanding, hoping it will clarify your doubts. This print I am a selling is indeed Hand Finished by Martin Whatson. It's the Hand Finished edition of only 40 prints. On top of that, mine is a PP, which is even rarer. There is also a main edition of 300 of this print, which isn't Hand Finished. Same size, but not same value as it is lucking the hand finished part. So my print is massive in size (I think the biggest collaboration on print he has done), with a big hand finished part and it is a PP of an edition of only 40 while the main is out of 300. I apologize in advance if I didn't answer your question correctly and if your message got lost in translation. Cheers and thank you for your comment either ways. |
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seabass
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by seabass on May 18, 2020 5:53:36 GMT 1, how many of these PP are flying around? Another one for sale on ebay at the same time
how many of these PP are flying around? Another one for sale on ebay at the same time
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trastevere
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by trastevere on May 18, 2020 14:08:42 GMT 1, how many of these PP are flying around? Another one for sale on ebay at the same time
how many of these PP are flying around? Another one for sale on ebay at the same time Usually around 3 PP per print, maybe less, definitely not more. |
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trastevere
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by trastevere on May 18, 2020 14:45:06 GMT 1, Usually around 3 PP per print, maybe less, definitely not more. How do you know there "definitely aren't more" than 3 if they're unnumbered?
Sometimes less.
That is what Sandra told me and what I hear from other artists and print houses.
It can of course be a white lie, but as you said we can't know for sure if they are unnumbered.
I believe that for this print there are more APs than PPs, since heach artist would get APs.
However, I don't see the big deal about how many there are out there on an edition of 40.
If it is was and edition of 3 I would totally worry, though.
Take care
Usually around 3 PP per print, maybe less, definitely not more. How do you know there "definitely aren't more" than 3 if they're unnumbered? That is usually the deal between the print house and the artist. There are usually 3 PP and 3 AP per print. Sometimes less. That is what Sandra told me and what I hear from other artists and print houses. It can of course be a white lie, but as you said we can't know for sure if they are unnumbered. I believe that for this print there are more APs than PPs, since heach artist would get APs. However, I don't see the big deal about how many there are out there on an edition of 40. If it is was and edition of 3 I would totally worry, though. Take care |
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seabass
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by seabass on May 18, 2020 16:02:28 GMT 1, That is usually the deal between the print house and the artist. There are usually 3 PP and 3 AP per print. Sometimes less. That is what Sandra told me and what I hear from other artists and print houses. It can of course be a white lie, but as you said we can't know for sure if they are unnumbered. I believe that for this print there are more APs than PPs, since heach artist would get APs. However, I don't see the big deal about how many there are out there on an edition of 40. If it is was and edition of 3 I would totally worry, though. Take care So you initially stating there "definitely aren't more than 3" wasn't true at all.
"Usually" isn't particularly useful either, nor is Sandra's explanation.
My experience (as someone previously involved in publishing) is as follows:
Print houses/publishers/galleries with integrity typically create a number of AP's equal to 10% of the edition.
Print houses/publishers/galleries with integrity typically create a number of PP's equal to the number of printers working on the edition.
Print houses/publishers/galleries with integrity typically gift those PP's to the printers working on the edition, and it is up to said printers to choose whether to keep or sell their copy (typically only allowed by contractual obligation to be sold on only after the edition has sold out).
Print houses/publishers/galleries with integrity typically number every single print produced.
Integrity aside, there is literally no reason at all to not number prints.
There is literally only one reason to not number prints (be they the retail edition, AP's, PP's, whatever) and that is the deliberately disingenuous cash-grab of printing as many as they like.
That is usually the deal between the print house and the artist. There are usually 3 PP and 3 AP per print. Sometimes less. That is what Sandra told me and what I hear from other artists and print houses. It can of course be a white lie, but as you said we can't know for sure if they are unnumbered. I believe that for this print there are more APs than PPs, since heach artist would get APs. However, I don't see the big deal about how many there are out there on an edition of 40. If it is was and edition of 3 I would totally worry, though. Take care So you initially stating there "definitely aren't more than 3" wasn't true at all.
"Usually" isn't particularly useful either, nor is Sandra's explanation.
My experience (as someone previously involved in publishing) is as follows:
Print houses/publishers/galleries with integrity typically create a number of AP's equal to 10% of the edition.
Print houses/publishers/galleries with integrity typically create a number of PP's equal to the number of printers working on the edition.
Print houses/publishers/galleries with integrity typically gift those PP's to the printers working on the edition, and it is up to said printers to choose whether to keep or sell their copy (typically only allowed by contractual obligation to be sold on only after the edition has sold out).
Print houses/publishers/galleries with integrity typically number every single print produced.
Integrity aside, there is literally no reason at all to not number prints.
There is literally only one reason to not number prints (be they the retail edition, AP's, PP's, whatever) and that is the deliberately disingenuous cash-grab of printing as many as they like.
Makes total sense. There are 13 APs for the print La Cage dans une promesse pour l'humanité. The main edition number is 100. (https://www.art collectorz/artworks/artwork-detail?artwork_id=7902&edition_id=10001) |
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mushi
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by mushi on May 18, 2020 17:01:20 GMT 1, Makes total sense. There are 13 APs for the print La Cage dans une promesse pour l'humanité. The main edition number is 100. (https://www.art collectorz/artworks/artwork-detail?artwork_id=7902&edition_id=10001) Yes, of course it makes sense of the AP's, but not of the unnumbered PP's.
Again, the only reason not to number PP's other is to enable unlimited numbers of them to be sold. Or another reason would be the printer don't care about those considerations.
I guess there are meticulous printers releasing numbered PP and others that can't be bothered to do that only because they don't give a f...k As there are good doctors giving everything they can to find what's going on with you and others that don't care at all. If that make sense ?
Makes total sense. There are 13 APs for the print La Cage dans une promesse pour l'humanité. The main edition number is 100. (https://www.art collectorz/artworks/artwork-detail?artwork_id=7902&edition_id=10001) Yes, of course it makes sense of the AP's, but not of the unnumbered PP's.
Again, the only reason not to number PP's other is to enable unlimited numbers of them to be sold. Or another reason would be the printer don't care about those considerations.
I guess there are meticulous printers releasing numbered PP and others that can't be bothered to do that only because they don't give a f...k As there are good doctors giving everything they can to find what's going on with you and others that don't care at all. If that make sense ?
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mushi
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by mushi on May 18, 2020 17:48:39 GMT 1, I understand your point but i have myself a PP unnumbered by POW, i asked them if there were any others and they certified this PP is unique although unnumbered. So far, no PP of this print went public indeed.
Maybe it's an exception to the rule.
I understand your point but i have myself a PP unnumbered by POW, i asked them if there were any others and they certified this PP is unique although unnumbered. So far, no PP of this print went public indeed.
Maybe it's an exception to the rule.
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Martin Whatson & Sandra Chevrier HF Collab, by tab1 on May 18, 2020 19:10:44 GMT 1, A £100 print that now sells for £1500 if your the print house you can market unnumbered aps or pps as limited and rare knowing collectors favours these and sell for £2500 as not numbered no trace of actual numbers Would be found and could potentially be unlimited , can be released by special sales or when a customer contact personally .
They should be usually 10% of the edition but with unscrupulous individuals in the art game , opus art, Connor brothers mentioned it is down to trust of the print house how many are actually released , post covid may find many special found pp editions in special sales
A £100 print that now sells for £1500 if your the print house you can market unnumbered aps or pps as limited and rare knowing collectors favours these and sell for £2500 as not numbered no trace of actual numbers Would be found and could potentially be unlimited , can be released by special sales or when a customer contact personally .
They should be usually 10% of the edition but with unscrupulous individuals in the art game , opus art, Connor brothers mentioned it is down to trust of the print house how many are actually released , post covid may find many special found pp editions in special sales
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