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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 9:40:33 GMT 1, Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits?
Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist..
If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it
Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits?
Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist..
If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 9:55:47 GMT 1, Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits? Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist.. If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it
Met gave a good explanation to this some time back.
Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits? Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist.. If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it Met gave a good explanation to this some time back. |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 10:13:54 GMT 1, Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits? Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist.. If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it Met gave a good explanation to this some time back.
Would love to hear it. There is nothing imo thatโs makes this good, it keeps kits closed!
Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits? Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist.. If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it Met gave a good explanation to this some time back. Would love to hear it. There is nothing imo thatโs makes this good, it keeps kits closed! |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Monkey on Aug 16, 2020 10:33:48 GMT 1, Does it really act as a COA ?
The sticker can be reprinted pretty easily or bought on ebay
I would value more the Instruction guide which come signed and numbered (on recent editions at least) which should come sticked to the antistatic shield
Most kits I've seen in auction went with those rather than the sticker
Does it really act as a COA ?
The sticker can be reprinted pretty easily or bought on ebay
I would value more the Instruction guide which come signed and numbered (on recent editions at least) which should come sticked to the antistatic shield
Most kits I've seen in auction went with those rather than the sticker
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 10:56:15 GMT 1, Does it really act as a COA ? The sticker can be reprinted pretty easily or bought on ebay I would value more the Instruction guide which come signed and numbered (on recent editions at least) which should come sticked to the antistatic shield Most kits I've seen in auction went with those rather than the sticker
IK18 one of the newest releases is the signed instructions stuck to the bag acting as COA
Does it really act as a COA ? The sticker can be reprinted pretty easily or bought on ebay I would value more the Instruction guide which come signed and numbered (on recent editions at least) which should come sticked to the antistatic shield Most kits I've seen in auction went with those rather than the sticker IK18 one of the newest releases is the signed instructions stuck to the bag acting as COA |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Monkey on Aug 16, 2020 11:39:50 GMT 1, It probably depends where you bought it from It's not sticked on it on most IK18 kits To be honest, I've never seen any kit with the sticker on it yet Even if it is, just keep the antistatic shield bag and pack it with the kit like most do:
Here's the IK18 one from Limited Edition:
It probably depends where you bought it from It's not sticked on it on most IK18 kits To be honest, I've never seen any kit with the sticker on it yet Even if it is, just keep the antistatic shield bag and pack it with the kit like most do:
Here's the IK18 one from Limited Edition:
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Monkey on Aug 16, 2020 11:41:44 GMT 1, Ohhh maybe we're not on the same line here. When you say "sticker" are you refering to the signed / numbered Instruction Guide or the gift Panini-like sticker which comes with the kit?
Ohhh maybe we're not on the same line here. When you say "sticker" are you refering to the signed / numbered Instruction Guide or the gift Panini-like sticker which comes with the kit?
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 12:07:36 GMT 1, Ohhh maybe we're not on the same line here. When you say "sticker" are you refering to the signed / numbered Instruction Guide or the gift Panini-like sticker which comes with the kit?
The instructions. They are the COA.
Ohhh maybe we're not on the same line here. When you say "sticker" are you refering to the signed / numbered Instruction Guide or the gift Panini-like sticker which comes with the kit? The instructions. They are the COA. |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by rjf76 on Aug 16, 2020 12:16:42 GMT 1, Ohhh maybe we're not on the same line here. When you say "sticker" are you refering to the signed / numbered Instruction Guide or the gift Panini-like sticker which comes with the kit? The instructions. They are the COA.
Didnโt you tear through yours opening?!! ๐
Ohhh maybe we're not on the same line here. When you say "sticker" are you refering to the signed / numbered Instruction Guide or the gift Panini-like sticker which comes with the kit? The instructions. They are the COA. Didnโt you tear through yours opening?!! ๐ |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 12:30:09 GMT 1, The instructions. They are the COA. Didnโt you tear through yours opening?!! ๐
I have in the past yes, but I frame them so thatโs life.
You kind of confirm my point though, unopened is worth more, so the artist is selling art and encouraging people to leave them bagged in a draw. Itโs sad
The instructions. They are the COA. Didnโt you tear through yours opening?!! ๐ I have in the past yes, but I frame them so thatโs life. You kind of confirm my point though, unopened is worth more, so the artist is selling art and encouraging people to leave them bagged in a draw. Itโs sad |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Monkey on Aug 16, 2020 12:39:29 GMT 1, Well, I don't see the problem... Mine are all out of their bags and boxed in a plexiglass box with the COA attached in the background (and the Panini sticker). Know what ? I use scissors to open bag without tearing the COAs  I guess that's just common sense when something is signed by an artist not to tear it up but I may be mistaken. I doubt they loss any value and i've been enjoying them for years Even teared COA, as soon as they are attached to their kits are valuable IMHO
Well, I don't see the problem... Mine are all out of their bags and boxed in a plexiglass box with the COA attached in the background (and the Panini sticker). Know what ? I use scissors to open bag without tearing the COAs I guess that's just common sense when something is signed by an artist not to tear it up but I may be mistaken. I doubt they loss any value and i've been enjoying them for years Even teared COA, as soon as they are attached to their kits are valuable IMHO
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by rjf76 on Aug 16, 2020 12:41:04 GMT 1, Didnโt you tear through yours opening?!! ๐ I have in the past yes, but I frame them so thatโs life. You kind of confirm my point though, unopened is worth more, so the artist is selling art and encouraging people to leave them bagged in a draw. Itโs sad
Agree. But can open without touching COA part...
Didnโt you tear through yours opening?!! ๐ I have in the past yes, but I frame them so thatโs life. You kind of confirm my point though, unopened is worth more, so the artist is selling art and encouraging people to leave them bagged in a draw. Itโs sad Agree. But can open without touching COA part... |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 12:46:11 GMT 1, This is what I love about this forum..
Ignore any logic or common sense to make a rather weak attempt at criticising another ๐.
Yes we can all cut open a bag without damaging the instructions / COA. You donโt get a medal! That doesnโt make it any less stupid a place to put it.
If you donโt think this discourages people from opening the bag, your are arenโt worthy of this conversation. The market tells you unopened is a premium.
If the COA wasnโt a sticker on the plastic bag, it wouldnโt..
To clarify โA PLASTIC BAGโ adds value to an invader! ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ
This is what I love about this forum..
Ignore any logic or common sense to make a rather weak attempt at criticising another ๐.
Yes we can all cut open a bag without damaging the instructions / COA. You donโt get a medal! That doesnโt make it any less stupid a place to put it.
If you donโt think this discourages people from opening the bag, your are arenโt worthy of this conversation. The market tells you unopened is a premium.
If the COA wasnโt a sticker on the plastic bag, it wouldnโt..
To clarify โA PLASTIC BAGโ adds value to an invader! ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Monkey on Aug 16, 2020 13:00:01 GMT 1, The market tells you unopened is a premium.
April auction at Chiswick for IK#11 opened and framed : 8200 wo premium
June auction at Heritage for IK#11 unopened : 8300 wo premium it does not tell much to me but, well, apparently I miss logic and common sense
The market tells you unopened is a premium. April auction at Chiswick for IK#11 opened and framed : 8200 wo premium June auction at Heritage for IK#11 unopened : 8300 wo premium it does not tell much to me but, well, apparently I miss logic and common sense
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by iamzero on Aug 16, 2020 13:16:36 GMT 1, Long run I guess itโll make no difference open or not. Personally I think itโs hilarious seeing these framed and still in the bag. This comment is made on behalf of someone that recently opened a carded 80โs Star Wars figure. ๐ณ๐ณ๐ณ
Long run I guess itโll make no difference open or not. Personally I think itโs hilarious seeing these framed and still in the bag. This comment is made on behalf of someone that recently opened a carded 80โs Star Wars figure. ๐ณ๐ณ๐ณ
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Matt on Aug 16, 2020 13:24:38 GMT 1, The bags arenโt intended as COA by the artist
However price inflation combined to ease of replication has transformed what was initially a wrapper into a much needed proof of authenticity.
This does raise a valid point though, which is that Invader would do well to set up some form of registry / authentication body.
The U/S Prisoners debacle could easily have been avoided
There is also an increasing supply of fake unsigned prints and a steady output of fake sticker sheets on Catawiki.
Not long before someone starts faking the embossed prints imo
The bags arenโt intended as COA by the artist
However price inflation combined to ease of replication has transformed what was initially a wrapper into a much needed proof of authenticity.
This does raise a valid point though, which is that Invader would do well to set up some form of registry / authentication body.
The U/S Prisoners debacle could easily have been avoided
There is also an increasing supply of fake unsigned prints and a steady output of fake sticker sheets on Catawiki.
Not long before someone starts faking the embossed prints imo
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by iamzero on Aug 16, 2020 13:26:34 GMT 1, Doesnโt he put some sort of chip inside the high priced orignals?
Doesnโt he put some sort of chip inside the high priced orignals?
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by longshanks on Aug 16, 2020 13:27:34 GMT 1, Ohhh maybe we're not on the same line here. When you say "sticker" are you refering to the signed / numbered Instruction Guide or the gift Panini-like sticker which comes with the kit? The instructions. They are the COA.
I think since the rise in value people look to them as a COA, but they are not. Only a COA would be a COA.
people keeping them in bags.... seems wrong to me. Open the bag, frame them up. Youโre not gonna lose any money AND you get to enjoy the art.
Ohhh maybe we're not on the same line here. When you say "sticker" are you refering to the signed / numbered Instruction Guide or the gift Panini-like sticker which comes with the kit? The instructions. They are the COA. I donโt think the intention was as COA, I think the instructions started out..... as instructions. Whether he thought people would or not, the perseaved intention was to carry out an invasion with the kit. More likely when they were ยฃ50. That was the concept / art anyway. This would be a logical explanation. I think since the rise in value people look to them as a COA, but they are not. Only a COA would be a COA. people keeping them in bags.... seems wrong to me. Open the bag, frame them up. Youโre not gonna lose any money AND you get to enjoy the art. |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Matt on Aug 16, 2020 13:27:55 GMT 1, Doesnโt he put some sort of chip inside the high priced orignals?
Aliases have an ID card
Am sure studio pieces also have something to ID them
Doesnโt he put some sort of chip inside the high priced orignals? Aliases have an ID card Am sure studio pieces also have something to ID them |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by iamzero on Aug 16, 2020 13:28:51 GMT 1, The Unsigned Prisoner print werenโt fake. I stored one in my plan chest for a friend for a while. The fact that CAT got involved was the main problem with those.
The Unsigned Prisoner print werenโt fake. I stored one in my plan chest for a friend for a while. The fact that CAT got involved was the main problem with those.
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Matt on Aug 16, 2020 13:31:45 GMT 1, The Unsigned Prisoner print werenโt fake. I stored one in my plan chest for a friend for a while. The fact that CAT got involved was the main problem with those.
They were not intended for sale by the artist. This was made clear by Orbi.
If they were by Banksy they would not have been vetted by PC
The Unsigned Prisoner print werenโt fake. I stored one in my plan chest for a friend for a while. The fact that CAT got involved was the main problem with those. They were not intended for sale by the artist. This was made clear by Orbi. If they were by Banksy they would not have been vetted by PC |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by iamzero on Aug 16, 2020 13:37:11 GMT 1, I agree. I have the emails from Orbi and the original seller pre CAT involvement. Easier to describe them as backdoor prints rather than fake. Seller claimed Invader originally authorised the unsigned run which never happened for reasons I forget. When they surfaced years later he denied this.
Iโd be interested to know how many buyers kept theirs and didnโt send it back because Iโd actually quite like one.
I agree. I have the emails from Orbi and the original seller pre CAT involvement. Easier to describe them as backdoor prints rather than fake. Seller claimed Invader originally authorised the unsigned run which never happened for reasons I forget. When they surfaced years later he denied this.
Iโd be interested to know how many buyers kept theirs and didnโt send it back because Iโd actually quite like one.
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Matt on Aug 16, 2020 13:37:59 GMT 1, The market tells you unopened is a premium. April auction at Chiswick for IK#11 opened and framed : 8200 wo premium June auction at Heritage for IK#11 unopened : 8300 wo premium it does not tell much to me but, well, apparently I miss logic and common sense
If you take a broader look I think you will find that
- the highest prices achieved for kits are indeed for the unopened ones (Artcurial earlier this year being the highest I think)
- you can get very good prices for opened kits nonetheless, sometimes equivalent to unopened, so it is not a dealbreaker to open the bag
The market tells you unopened is a premium. April auction at Chiswick for IK#11 opened and framed : 8200 wo premium June auction at Heritage for IK#11 unopened : 8300 wo premium it does not tell much to me but, well, apparently I miss logic and common sense
If you take a broader look I think you will find that - the highest prices achieved for kits are indeed for the unopened ones (Artcurial earlier this year being the highest I think) - you can get very good prices for opened kits nonetheless, sometimes equivalent to unopened, so it is not a dealbreaker to open the bag |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 14:01:11 GMT 1, Well Iโve created a good conversation ๐
Mine are framed and opened and it does seem The opened / unopened gap has closed.
Still think a nice card COA would see more opened ๐
Well Iโve created a good conversation ๐
Mine are framed and opened and it does seem The opened / unopened gap has closed.
Still think a nice card COA would see more opened ๐
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by morton on Aug 16, 2020 16:16:57 GMT 1, Well Iโve created a good conversation ๐ Mine are framed and opened and it does seem The opened / unopened gap has closed. Still think a nice card COA would see more opened ๐
That is great news if this is true about the unopened gap. Mine are opened, framed with packaging on back of frame.๐
Well Iโve created a good conversation ๐ Mine are framed and opened and it does seem The opened / unopened gap has closed. Still think a nice card COA would see more opened ๐ That is great news if this is true about the unopened gap. Mine are opened, framed with packaging on back of frame.๐ |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Lunch Special on Aug 16, 2020 16:23:32 GMT 1, Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits? Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist.. If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it
I love to see and hear when collectors say they know note than the artists they supposedly adore. Go make some art and make some COAโs for it.
STOP BUYING ART FOR RESELL PURPOSES ONLY LOVE THE ART.
Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits? Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist.. If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it I love to see and hear when collectors say they know note than the artists they supposedly adore. Go make some art and make some COAโs for it. STOP BUYING ART FOR RESELL PURPOSES ONLY LOVE THE ART. |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Deleted on Aug 16, 2020 16:32:04 GMT 1, Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits? Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist.. If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it I love to see and hear when collectors say they know note than the artists they supposedly adore. Go make some art and make some COAโs for it. STOP BUYING ART FOR RESELL PURPOSES ONLY LOVE THE ART.
Never said I adore invader. Decent street artist, like him.. no intention of sucking him off.
Worth having a couple of pieces in the collection for me, nothing more.
Heโs also priced at a point where buying โfor loveโ is the action of a moron. Are you a moron? The least I require from a ยฃ10,000 piece is some hope it wonโt lose money!!! This place! ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ
Anyone ever asked or found out why invader uses a sticker on the outside of the bag as a COA for his kits? Thatโs got to be the most anti art thing Iโve ever seen. If the COA was in the bag it would encourage people to open it and frame the piece, rather than keep them mint. By sending them out the way he does it stops people even looking at the piece for fear of losing value and seems to be the exact opposite of what he represents as an artist.. If thereโs a logical explanation, Iโd love to hear it I love to see and hear when collectors say they know note than the artists they supposedly adore. Go make some art and make some COAโs for it. STOP BUYING ART FOR RESELL PURPOSES ONLY LOVE THE ART. Never said I adore invader. Decent street artist, like him.. no intention of sucking him off. Worth having a couple of pieces in the collection for me, nothing more. Heโs also priced at a point where buying โfor loveโ is the action of a moron. Are you a moron? The least I require from a ยฃ10,000 piece is some hope it wonโt lose money!!! This place! ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ |
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The stupidity of invader COAs, by Foolsgold on Sept 3, 2020 19:39:25 GMT 1, I agree. I have the emails from Orbi and the original seller pre CAT involvement. Easier to describe them as backdoor prints rather than fake. Seller claimed Invader originally authorised the unsigned run which never happened for reasons I forget. When they surfaced years later he denied this. Iโd be interested to know how many buyers kept theirs and didnโt send it back because Iโd actually quite like one.
Still got mine ๐
I agree. I have the emails from Orbi and the original seller pre CAT involvement. Easier to describe them as backdoor prints rather than fake. Seller claimed Invader originally authorised the unsigned run which never happened for reasons I forget. When they surfaced years later he denied this. Iโd be interested to know how many buyers kept theirs and didnโt send it back because Iโd actually quite like one. Still got mine ๐ |
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I guess that's just common sense when something is signed by an artist not to tear it up but I may be mistaken. 
