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Christie's Art Auctions , by trowel on Sept 23, 2020 15:02:06 GMT 1, Solid return for Nola, and nice to see some love for Happy Choppers - a forgotten gem IMO.
That Balloon AP tho... 
Solid return for Nola, and nice to see some love for Happy Choppers - a forgotten gem IMO. That Balloon AP tho... |
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scnomad
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Christie's Art Auctions , by scnomad on Sept 23, 2020 15:04:06 GMT 1, Ah, I didn't realise Artist's Royalty was applicable to this sale!
Ah, I didn't realise Artist's Royalty was applicable to this sale! |
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samo
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Christie's Art Auctions , by samo on Sept 23, 2020 15:10:39 GMT 1, Also at TateWard
Urban and Contemporary Art
Date: Wednesday, 14th October 2020 16:00
Also at TateWard
Urban and Contemporary Art
Date: Wednesday, 14th October 2020 16:00
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Jonny Wednesday on Sept 23, 2020 15:26:08 GMT 1, Christmas is going to be good !!
Santa's going to have his work cut out delivering this year 
Christmas is going to be good !! Santa's going to have his work cut out delivering this year |
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Pawel
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Pawel on Sept 23, 2020 15:31:52 GMT 1, 95k now
95k now |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by chichi carter on Sept 23, 2020 15:37:35 GMT 1, Trolleys (Colour) AP:
Price Realised = Hammer Price + 25% Buyers Premium = £55,000 + £13,750 = £68,750 (as shown on Christies)
Buyer pays additional 20%VAT on Buyers Premium = £13,750 + £2,750 = £16,500
Total Cost to Buyer = £55,000 + £16,500 = £71,500
I'm not sure if I've calculated this incorrectly, but it doesn't quite agree with the your list (£7,700), but happy to stand corrected!
There was nothing AP about that Trolleys other than number
Trolleys (Colour) AP:
Price Realised = Hammer Price + 25% Buyers Premium = £55,000 + £13,750 = £68,750 (as shown on Christies)
Buyer pays additional 20%VAT on Buyers Premium = £13,750 + £2,750 = £16,500
Total Cost to Buyer = £55,000 + £16,500 = £71,500
I'm not sure if I've calculated this incorrectly, but it doesn't quite agree with the your list (£7,700), but happy to stand corrected!
There was nothing AP about that Trolleys other than number You're right. But AP doesn't necessarily mean there should be anything different. In fact most of the time it is identical to the numbered edition. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Javier on Sept 23, 2020 15:41:16 GMT 1, 95k now
Inflation
95k now Inflation |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Judgement day on Sept 23, 2020 15:42:30 GMT 1, Jack and Jill almost doubled from the Sotheby’s auction a week earlier
Jack and Jill almost doubled from the Sotheby’s auction a week earlier
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Christie's Art Auctions , by jp226 on Sept 23, 2020 15:49:06 GMT 1, This is really starting to get out of hand. Nearly can’t justify having any of these on my walls anymore at these prices. Exactly.. my missus is searching for houses with pools now. 
This is really starting to get out of hand. Nearly can’t justify having any of these on my walls anymore at these prices. Exactly.. my missus is searching for houses with pools now. Luckily, my wife and I already bought a house. I'm out here looking at classic cars now, lol! Shhhhh, don't tell |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Shoeless on Sept 23, 2020 15:56:05 GMT 1, Exactly.. my missus is searching for houses with pools now. Luckily, my wife and I already bought a house. I'm out here looking at classic cars now, lol! Shhhhh, don't tell
Same.
Exactly.. my missus is searching for houses with pools now. Luckily, my wife and I already bought a house. I'm out here looking at classic cars now, lol! Shhhhh, don't tell Same. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by milou2 on Sept 23, 2020 16:07:34 GMT 1, Jack and Jill almost doubled from the Sotheby’s auction a week earlier
There's one floating about on eBay for £95k - was £85k this morning and £50k pre-Sotheby's ... still there (and no, I don't own it and haven't a clue who does)
Jack and Jill almost doubled from the Sotheby’s auction a week earlier There's one floating about on eBay for £95k - was £85k this morning and £50k pre-Sotheby's ... still there (and no, I don't own it and haven't a clue who does) |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Fast Eddie on Sept 23, 2020 16:14:22 GMT 1, There was a softening in some prices relative to Sotheby's. Some of the unsigned.
I would not mention it, but funny enough the difference in hammer prices (within a few days) is about what you would have paid for the print itself two-three years ago.
There was a softening in some prices relative to Sotheby's. Some of the unsigned.
I would not mention it, but funny enough the difference in hammer prices (within a few days) is about what you would have paid for the print itself two-three years ago.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by F*X on Sept 23, 2020 16:29:16 GMT 1, Dangerous game counting money you haven't got. Till it's sold it's just a piece of paper.
Dangerous game counting money you haven't got. Till it's sold it's just a piece of paper. Never have wiser words been posted |
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samo
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Christie's Art Auctions , by samo on Sept 23, 2020 16:46:18 GMT 1, 95k now Optimistic with no COA and slightly suspicious looking numbering.
95k now Optimistic with no COA and slightly suspicious looking numbering. Why does the numbering look slightly suspicious? |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Warm Gun on Sept 23, 2020 17:09:21 GMT 1, Where is posterbob? I need his expert advice on the value of my u/s banksy print.
Where is posterbob? I need his expert advice on the value of my u/s banksy print.
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Nuno
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Nuno on Sept 23, 2020 17:11:13 GMT 1, There was a softening in some prices relative to Sotheby's. Some of the unsigned. I would not mention it, but funny enough the difference in hammer prices (within a few days) is about what you would have paid for the print itself two-three years ago.
Softening in prices? Didn’t we just see a print change hands for the highest amount of money ever?
Various other records in amongst it all as well?!
There was a softening in some prices relative to Sotheby's. Some of the unsigned. I would not mention it, but funny enough the difference in hammer prices (within a few days) is about what you would have paid for the print itself two-three years ago. Softening in prices? Didn’t we just see a print change hands for the highest amount of money ever? Various other records in amongst it all as well?! |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by vandamme on Sept 23, 2020 17:11:57 GMT 1, Not any more its now listed for £95,000
Not any more its now listed for £95,000
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Christie's Art Auctions , by JAlternatión on Sept 23, 2020 17:18:22 GMT 1, Ah, I didn't realise Artist's Royalty was applicable to this sale!
Ah, I didn't realise Artist's Royalty was applicable to this sale! My understanding was that Banksy is not paid DACS/ARR, in part as to do so would mean needing to register his real identity |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by coller on Sept 23, 2020 17:20:21 GMT 1, There was a softening in some prices relative to Sotheby's. Some of the unsigned. I would not mention it, but funny enough the difference in hammer prices (within a few days) is about what you would have paid for the print itself two-three years ago. Softening in prices? Didn’t we just see a print change hands for the highest amount of money ever? Various other records in amongst it all as well?!
a lot of them sold for ~10k less than a week ago. others sold for more.
There was a softening in some prices relative to Sotheby's. Some of the unsigned. I would not mention it, but funny enough the difference in hammer prices (within a few days) is about what you would have paid for the print itself two-three years ago. Softening in prices? Didn’t we just see a print change hands for the highest amount of money ever? Various other records in amongst it all as well?! depends what lots you were looking at. a lot of them sold for ~10k less than a week ago. others sold for more. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by soam24 on Sept 23, 2020 17:56:24 GMT 1, Was watching Morons U/S sold for $44,100 (usd) (without fees / vat)
Was watching Morons U/S sold for $44,100 (usd) (without fees / vat)
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Fast Eddie on Sept 23, 2020 18:19:42 GMT 1, Softening in prices? Didn’t we just see a print change hands for the highest amount of money ever? Various other records in amongst it all as well?! depends what lots you were looking at. a lot of them sold for ~10k less than a week ago. others sold for more.
One main risk factors: US stock market does look overdue for a substantial correction; Banksy may become more and more annoyed and fuck things up once only very rich people own his stuff; a speculative art investment comes about.
In general, you can see that this exponential price inflation seems abnormal, right? Abnormal stuff typically corrects and eventually reverses back to trend.
Softening in prices? Didn’t we just see a print change hands for the highest amount of money ever? Various other records in amongst it all as well?! depends what lots you were looking at. a lot of them sold for ~10k less than a week ago. others sold for more. Exactly. But we will see. I would be very cautious on taking these results as a steady high plateau (although it would be in my interest, believe me). One main risk factors: US stock market does look overdue for a substantial correction; Banksy may become more and more annoyed and fuck things up once only very rich people own his stuff; a speculative art investment comes about. In general, you can see that this exponential price inflation seems abnormal, right? Abnormal stuff typically corrects and eventually reverses back to trend. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Lazarus II on Sept 23, 2020 18:30:21 GMT 1, Where is posterbob? I need his expert advice on the value of my u/s banksy print.
worthless tatt, let me do you a big favour and take it off your hands, I do you very good deal mister !
Where is posterbob? I need his expert advice on the value of my u/s banksy print. worthless tatt, let me do you a big favour and take it off your hands, I do you very good deal mister ! |
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Nuno
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Nuno on Sept 23, 2020 18:42:39 GMT 1, depends what lots you were looking at. a lot of them sold for ~10k less than a week ago. others sold for more. Exactly. But we will see. I would be very cautious on taking these results as a steady high plateau (although it would be in my interest, believe me). One main risk factors: US stock market does look overdue for a substantial correction; Banksy may become more and more annoyed and fuck things up once only very rich people own his stuff; a speculative art investment comes about. In general, you can see that this exponential price inflation seems abnormal, right? Abnormal stuff typically corrects and eventually reverses back to trend.
There will no doubt be a price correction. To suggest it is happening after two record breaking auctions over the space of a week is slightly disingenuous.
I also read a lot about Banksy ‘fucking up the market’ because wealthy investors have bought in. I don’t see it. Whilst his stock remains high he can continue to redistribute wealth either to lucky people via a lottery or through selling things directly at high prices because of the perceived value to raise funds for the causes he supports. He can’t do that if he destroys his own market. It makes zero sense.
depends what lots you were looking at. a lot of them sold for ~10k less than a week ago. others sold for more. Exactly. But we will see. I would be very cautious on taking these results as a steady high plateau (although it would be in my interest, believe me). One main risk factors: US stock market does look overdue for a substantial correction; Banksy may become more and more annoyed and fuck things up once only very rich people own his stuff; a speculative art investment comes about. In general, you can see that this exponential price inflation seems abnormal, right? Abnormal stuff typically corrects and eventually reverses back to trend. There will no doubt be a price correction. To suggest it is happening after two record breaking auctions over the space of a week is slightly disingenuous. I also read a lot about Banksy ‘fucking up the market’ because wealthy investors have bought in. I don’t see it. Whilst his stock remains high he can continue to redistribute wealth either to lucky people via a lottery or through selling things directly at high prices because of the perceived value to raise funds for the causes he supports. He can’t do that if he destroys his own market. It makes zero sense. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by coller on Sept 23, 2020 18:55:44 GMT 1, no one knows what'll happen. anyone acting like they do is kidding themselves.
banksy is mid-career and still active. anything could happen. that's part of why he's an exciting artist. and a good deal of his stunts are about playing with market expectations, like central park or sotheby's shredder.
i also don't think he cares at all about protecting his unsigned print market. he could completely implode that and continue on with his career with no harm to him.
no one knows what'll happen. anyone acting like they do is kidding themselves.
banksy is mid-career and still active. anything could happen. that's part of why he's an exciting artist. and a good deal of his stunts are about playing with market expectations, like central park or sotheby's shredder.
i also don't think he cares at all about protecting his unsigned print market. he could completely implode that and continue on with his career with no harm to him.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Fast Eddie on Sept 23, 2020 19:06:59 GMT 1, Exactly. But we will see. I would be very cautious on taking these results as a steady high plateau (although it would be in my interest, believe me). One main risk factors: US stock market does look overdue for a substantial correction; Banksy may become more and more annoyed and fuck things up once only very rich people own his stuff; a speculative art investment comes about. In general, you can see that this exponential price inflation seems abnormal, right? Abnormal stuff typically corrects and eventually reverses back to trend. There will no doubt be a price correction. To suggest it is happening after two record breaking auctions over the space of a week is slightly disingenuous. I also read a lot about Banksy ‘fucking up the market’ because wealthy investors have bought in. I don’t see it. Whilst his stock remains high he can continue to redistribute wealth either to lucky people via a lottery or through selling things directly at high prices because of the perceived value to raise funds for the causes he supports. He can’t do that if he destroys his own market. It makes zero sense.
Exactly. But we will see. I would be very cautious on taking these results as a steady high plateau (although it would be in my interest, believe me). One main risk factors: US stock market does look overdue for a substantial correction; Banksy may become more and more annoyed and fuck things up once only very rich people own his stuff; a speculative art investment comes about. In general, you can see that this exponential price inflation seems abnormal, right? Abnormal stuff typically corrects and eventually reverses back to trend. There will no doubt be a price correction. To suggest it is happening after two record breaking auctions over the space of a week is slightly disingenuous. I also read a lot about Banksy ‘fucking up the market’ because wealthy investors have bought in. I don’t see it. Whilst his stock remains high he can continue to redistribute wealth either to lucky people via a lottery or through selling things directly at high prices because of the perceived value to raise funds for the causes he supports. He can’t do that if he destroys his own market. It makes zero sense. By all means, feel free to file all this under "slightly disingenuous" and put a pink silk ribbon on it. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Winter on Sept 23, 2020 19:17:52 GMT 1, While he's still happy to take care of his VIPs I can't see him screwing his own market
While he's still happy to take care of his VIPs I can't see him screwing his own market
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Nuno
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Nuno on Sept 23, 2020 19:22:19 GMT 1, There will no doubt be a price correction. To suggest it is happening after two record breaking auctions over the space of a week is slightly disingenuous. I also read a lot about Banksy ‘fucking up the market’ because wealthy investors have bought in. I don’t see it. Whilst his stock remains high he can continue to redistribute wealth either to lucky people via a lottery or through selling things directly at high prices because of the perceived value to raise funds for the causes he supports. He can’t do that if he destroys his own market. It makes zero sense. By all means, feel free to file all this under "slightly disingenuous" and put a pink silk ribbon on it.
So when are you going to dig this up, 3months, 1yr, 5yrs, 10yrs? How long are you going to wait to be proved right?
There will no doubt be a price correction. To suggest it is happening after two record breaking auctions over the space of a week is slightly disingenuous. I also read a lot about Banksy ‘fucking up the market’ because wealthy investors have bought in. I don’t see it. Whilst his stock remains high he can continue to redistribute wealth either to lucky people via a lottery or through selling things directly at high prices because of the perceived value to raise funds for the causes he supports. He can’t do that if he destroys his own market. It makes zero sense. By all means, feel free to file all this under "slightly disingenuous" and put a pink silk ribbon on it. So when are you going to dig this up, 3months, 1yr, 5yrs, 10yrs? How long are you going to wait to be proved right? |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Fast Eddie on Sept 23, 2020 19:41:15 GMT 1, Just to be clear, I agreed to file it under "slightly disingenuous" not under "one of those always bearish minus habens systematically predicting collapse in six months and then, when they get it right by chance, hailed as market clairvoyants".
Just to be clear, I agreed to file it under "slightly disingenuous" not under "one of those always bearish minus habens systematically predicting collapse in six months and then, when they get it right by chance, hailed as market clairvoyants".
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Christie's Art Auctions , by cest on Sept 23, 2020 19:49:44 GMT 1, no one knows what'll happen. anyone acting like they do is kidding themselves. banksy is mid-career and still active. anything could happen. that's part of why he's an exciting artist. and a good deal of his stunts are about playing with market expectations, like central park or sotheby's shredder. i also don't think he cares at all about protecting his unsigned print market. he could completely implode that and continue on with his career with no harm to him.
What would be the difference in signed vs unsigned to him?
no one knows what'll happen. anyone acting like they do is kidding themselves. banksy is mid-career and still active. anything could happen. that's part of why he's an exciting artist. and a good deal of his stunts are about playing with market expectations, like central park or sotheby's shredder. i also don't think he cares at all about protecting his unsigned print market. he could completely implode that and continue on with his career with no harm to him. What would be the difference in signed vs unsigned to him? |
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