acaipride
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by acaipride on Aug 29, 2020 22:16:33 GMT 1, Ah but I didnโt quote you in my comment. Why donโt you think he can be both? Picasso is a perfect example of an artist who did both with his pairing of Guernica. To quote the man himself, โPainting is not made to decorate apartments; it is an offensive and defensive instrument of war against the enemy.โ Painting Guernica is completely different. With recent โworksโ Banksy has activity been a participant (at least in name) on the front of line, on the streets, etc etc. heโs blurred the line of And artist creating art making a political statement Or humanitarian awareness and an artist actively participating in a political statement or humanitarian actions. To me that blurring isnโt a good thing. It dilutes and cheapens the political/humanitarian point while also creating something Iโm not sure one in good will can call art. I 100% believe Banksys goal is to blur this line and thatโs my point. I think itโs a major failure. Thatโs why itโs important to understand the reality of it. Did Banksy buy a boat, paint it give it to a legit entity/ program that does this daily (with no recognition) and now will swoop out and not be involved? Is that his connection? Is he actively engaged in the efforts, going to continue to fund? Is his goal to fund it, put his name on it, get it some attention and then move on to the next? Like whatโs the goal?
Ah but I didnโt quote you in my comment. Why donโt you think he can be both? Picasso is a perfect example of an artist who did both with his pairing of Guernica. To quote the man himself, โPainting is not made to decorate apartments; it is an offensive and defensive instrument of war against the enemy.โ Painting Guernica is completely different. With recent โworksโ Banksy has activity been a participant (at least in name) on the front of line, on the streets, etc etc. heโs blurred the line of And artist creating art making a political statement Or humanitarian awareness and an artist actively participating in a political statement or humanitarian actions. To me that blurring isnโt a good thing. It dilutes and cheapens the political/humanitarian point while also creating something Iโm not sure one in good will can call art. I 100% believe Banksys goal is to blur this line and thatโs my point. I think itโs a major failure. Thatโs why itโs important to understand the reality of it. Did Banksy buy a boat, paint it give it to a legit entity/ program that does this daily (with no recognition) and now will swoop out and not be involved? Is that his connection? Is he actively engaged in the efforts, going to continue to fund? Is his goal to fund it, put his name on it, get it some attention and then move on to the next? Like whatโs the goal? Some people just love control...man, just sit back and relax |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 29, 2020 22:40:37 GMT 1, Painting Guernica is completely different. Why?
Did you read the rest.... haha
Painting Guernica is completely different. Why? Did you read the rest.... haha |
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Big Bad Mo
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Big Bad Mo on Aug 29, 2020 23:02:23 GMT 1, Without a doubt Banksy is putting his brand/art/PRmachine all over this. The thing is I donโt see it helping his โbrandโ. If anything I see this as a real risk to the โbrandโ. There are countless ways for this to go horribly wrong. Nevertheless awareness is being raised and there are people alive now who might have died if that boat wasnโt there. If the thing that sickens you the most about this is a mediocre stencil and pink paint, then that says a lot more about you than It does anyone else. I really donโt understand this cynical view at all. Banksy has funded a boat to save more lives and, in doing so, has increased the spotlight/further highlighted a global humanitarian crisis. I donโt understand how anyone can view this as anything but a truly remarkable humanitarian gesture. Were you as cynical when he opened up the Walled Off Hotel highlighting the situation of those living in (occupied) Palestine? Were you enraged when he painted Entitled Mediterranean Sea View (which appears to have been the source of funding for this boat)? How about the Love Welcomes welcome mats which is highlighting the troubles of those living in refugee camps and enabling them to earn a wage? I usually steer away from conflict here but some of the comments in this thread are both disturbing and wholly depressing.
Banksy is a โbrandโ. Banksy putting his โbrandโ on this is good and honourable imo, I donโt understand why stating that Banksy is a โbrandโ would be cynical. I feel like your whole response has taken the wrong context in my response or maybe I didnโt explain my position correctly. Either way I feel like we arenโt that far away on position so I donโt want to be disturbing or depressing you.
Without a doubt Banksy is putting his brand/art/PRmachine all over this. The thing is I donโt see it helping his โbrandโ. If anything I see this as a real risk to the โbrandโ. There are countless ways for this to go horribly wrong. Nevertheless awareness is being raised and there are people alive now who might have died if that boat wasnโt there. If the thing that sickens you the most about this is a mediocre stencil and pink paint, then that says a lot more about you than It does anyone else. I really donโt understand this cynical view at all. Banksy has funded a boat to save more lives and, in doing so, has increased the spotlight/further highlighted a global humanitarian crisis. I donโt understand how anyone can view this as anything but a truly remarkable humanitarian gesture. Were you as cynical when he opened up the Walled Off Hotel highlighting the situation of those living in (occupied) Palestine? Were you enraged when he painted Entitled Mediterranean Sea View (which appears to have been the source of funding for this boat)? How about the Love Welcomes welcome mats which is highlighting the troubles of those living in refugee camps and enabling them to earn a wage? I usually steer away from conflict here but some of the comments in this thread are both disturbing and wholly depressing. Banksy is a โbrandโ. Banksy putting his โbrandโ on this is good and honourable imo, I donโt understand why stating that Banksy is a โbrandโ would be cynical. I feel like your whole response has taken the wrong context in my response or maybe I didnโt explain my position correctly. Either way I feel like we arenโt that far away on position so I donโt want to be disturbing or depressing you. |
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mrizzle
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by mrizzle on Aug 29, 2020 23:03:30 GMT 1, Did you read the rest.... haha
I did but it wasnโt particularly clear why you felt that this could be so swiftly dismissed.
I refuse to believe that you are either one thing or the other. Moving from art for a moment, was Muhammad Ali โonlyโ a boxer or was he a boxer and a civil rights activist who spoke out against racism, oppression, he Vietnam war and later about Islamaphobia (both with words and actions)? Is his reputation tarnished because he (arguably) used his notoriety to speak out and be both a champion in the boxing ring and an actor for change? I do not believe or accept that a person is either one thing or the other and that the two cannot co-exist.
I donโt find your argument that Banksy is โblurringโ the distinctions between being an artist and/or a humanitarian/activist to be a particularly credible or strong argument. Should he sit back and do nothing about the issues that he feels strongly about (and which highlight global injustice and tragedy) so as not to upset people who think heโs โjust an artistโ?
The full comment made by Picasso does, I think, lend further weight to my argument, "What do you think an artist is? An imbecile who only has eyes if he's a painter, ears if he's a musician, or a lyre in every chamber of his heart if he's a poet โ or even, if he's a boxer, only some muscles? Quite the contrary, he is at the same time a political being constantly alert to the horrifying, passionate or pleasing events in the world, shaping himself completely in their image. How is it possible to be uninterested in other men and by virtue of what cold nonchalance can you detach yourself from the life that they supply so copiously? (No, painting is not made to decorate apartments. It's an offensive and defensive weapon against the enemy.)โ
Did you read the rest.... haha I did but it wasnโt particularly clear why you felt that this could be so swiftly dismissed. I refuse to believe that you are either one thing or the other. Moving from art for a moment, was Muhammad Ali โonlyโ a boxer or was he a boxer and a civil rights activist who spoke out against racism, oppression, he Vietnam war and later about Islamaphobia (both with words and actions)? Is his reputation tarnished because he (arguably) used his notoriety to speak out and be both a champion in the boxing ring and an actor for change? I do not believe or accept that a person is either one thing or the other and that the two cannot co-exist. I donโt find your argument that Banksy is โblurringโ the distinctions between being an artist and/or a humanitarian/activist to be a particularly credible or strong argument. Should he sit back and do nothing about the issues that he feels strongly about (and which highlight global injustice and tragedy) so as not to upset people who think heโs โjust an artistโ? The full comment made by Picasso does, I think, lend further weight to my argument, "What do you think an artist is? An imbecile who only has eyes if he's a painter, ears if he's a musician, or a lyre in every chamber of his heart if he's a poet โ or even, if he's a boxer, only some muscles? Quite the contrary, he is at the same time a political being constantly alert to the horrifying, passionate or pleasing events in the world, shaping himself completely in their image. How is it possible to be uninterested in other men and by virtue of what cold nonchalance can you detach yourself from the life that they supply so copiously? (No, painting is not made to decorate apartments. It's an offensive and defensive weapon against the enemy.)โ |
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mrizzle
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by mrizzle on Aug 29, 2020 23:11:01 GMT 1, I really donโt understand this cynical view at all. Banksy has funded a boat to save more lives and, in doing so, has increased the spotlight/further highlighted a global humanitarian crisis. I donโt understand how anyone can view this as anything but a truly remarkable humanitarian gesture. Were you as cynical when he opened up the Walled Off Hotel highlighting the situation of those living in (occupied) Palestine? Were you enraged when he painted Entitled Mediterranean Sea View (which appears to have been the source of funding for this boat)? How about the Love Welcomes welcome mats which is highlighting the troubles of those living in refugee camps and enabling them to earn a wage? I usually steer away from conflict here but some of the comments in this thread are both disturbing and wholly depressing. Banksy is a โbrandโ. Banksy putting his โbrandโ on this is good and honourable imo, I donโt understand why stating that Banksy is a โbrandโ would be cynical. I feel like your whole response has taken the wrong context in my response or maybe I didnโt explain my position correctly. Either way I feel like we arenโt that far away on position so I donโt want to be disturbing or depressing you.
Yes, perhaps our views arenโt so different and my latter comments werenโt directly targeted at you. Perhaps wrongly directed on my part and, for that, I apologise. Iโve just been quite frustrated reading a variety of comments and I think it just bubbled over. Iโm generally a very patient person!
I do appreciate that there are opposing views or arguments and Iโm open to engaging and listening to them. Debate is a healthy thing after all but, again, I think I perhaps misinterpreted your initial comments and so I apologise for misdirecting my own remarks.
I really donโt understand this cynical view at all. Banksy has funded a boat to save more lives and, in doing so, has increased the spotlight/further highlighted a global humanitarian crisis. I donโt understand how anyone can view this as anything but a truly remarkable humanitarian gesture. Were you as cynical when he opened up the Walled Off Hotel highlighting the situation of those living in (occupied) Palestine? Were you enraged when he painted Entitled Mediterranean Sea View (which appears to have been the source of funding for this boat)? How about the Love Welcomes welcome mats which is highlighting the troubles of those living in refugee camps and enabling them to earn a wage? I usually steer away from conflict here but some of the comments in this thread are both disturbing and wholly depressing. Banksy is a โbrandโ. Banksy putting his โbrandโ on this is good and honourable imo, I donโt understand why stating that Banksy is a โbrandโ would be cynical. I feel like your whole response has taken the wrong context in my response or maybe I didnโt explain my position correctly. Either way I feel like we arenโt that far away on position so I donโt want to be disturbing or depressing you. Yes, perhaps our views arenโt so different and my latter comments werenโt directly targeted at you. Perhaps wrongly directed on my part and, for that, I apologise. Iโve just been quite frustrated reading a variety of comments and I think it just bubbled over. Iโm generally a very patient person! I do appreciate that there are opposing views or arguments and Iโm open to engaging and listening to them. Debate is a healthy thing after all but, again, I think I perhaps misinterpreted your initial comments and so I apologise for misdirecting my own remarks. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 29, 2020 23:13:18 GMT 1, Did you read the rest.... haha I did but it wasnโt particularly clear why you felt that this could be so swiftly dismissed. I refuse to believe that you are either one thing or the other. Moving from art for a moment, was Muhammad Ali โonlyโ a boxer or was he a boxer and a civil rights activist who spoke out against racism, oppression, he Vietnam war and later about Islamaphobia (both with words and actions)? Is his reputation tarnished because he (arguably) used his notoriety to speak out and be both a champion in the boxing ring and an actor for change? I do not believe or accept that a person is either one thing or the other and that the two cannot co-exist. I donโt find your argument that Banksy is โblurringโ the distinctions between being an artist and/or a humanitarian/activist to be a particularly credible or strong argument. Should he sit back and do nothing about the issues that he feels strongly about (and which highlight global injustice and tragedy) so as not to upset people who think heโs โjust an artistโ? The full comment made by Picasso does, I think, lend further weight to my argument, "What do you think an artist is? An imbecile who only has eyes if he's a painter, ears if he's a musician, or a lyre in every chamber of his heart if he's a poet โ or even, if he's a boxer, only some muscles? Quite the contrary, he is at the same time a political being constantly alert to the horrifying, passionate or pleasing events in the world, shaping himself completely in their image. How is it possible to be uninterested in other men and by virtue of what cold nonchalance can you detach yourself from the life that they supply so copiously? (No, painting is not made to decorate apartments. It's an offensive and defensive weapon against the enemy.)โ
Iโm glad you brought up Ali. Very timely with the NBA โstrikeโ.
You are right, Ali was a boxer and an activist. But do you know what when it really came down to it with Vietnam Ali put it all down and stopped boxing. He was purely an activist and one history will always remember.
Picasso didnโt drop his brush and give up his life because of Guernica. That doesnโt minimize the work. That doesnโt minimize the effect of the work. But Picasso was an artist. Banksy appears to be dropping his can and doing things but then he doesnโt. I donโt know if Banksy is an artist or not. Im not even sure if Banksy is really involved much in these things. And when things are that important and life and death we saw what Muhammad Ali did for what he believed in. Others the same. Thatโs my point. The ambiguity of Banksy is problematic to me.
Did you read the rest.... haha I did but it wasnโt particularly clear why you felt that this could be so swiftly dismissed. I refuse to believe that you are either one thing or the other. Moving from art for a moment, was Muhammad Ali โonlyโ a boxer or was he a boxer and a civil rights activist who spoke out against racism, oppression, he Vietnam war and later about Islamaphobia (both with words and actions)? Is his reputation tarnished because he (arguably) used his notoriety to speak out and be both a champion in the boxing ring and an actor for change? I do not believe or accept that a person is either one thing or the other and that the two cannot co-exist. I donโt find your argument that Banksy is โblurringโ the distinctions between being an artist and/or a humanitarian/activist to be a particularly credible or strong argument. Should he sit back and do nothing about the issues that he feels strongly about (and which highlight global injustice and tragedy) so as not to upset people who think heโs โjust an artistโ? The full comment made by Picasso does, I think, lend further weight to my argument, "What do you think an artist is? An imbecile who only has eyes if he's a painter, ears if he's a musician, or a lyre in every chamber of his heart if he's a poet โ or even, if he's a boxer, only some muscles? Quite the contrary, he is at the same time a political being constantly alert to the horrifying, passionate or pleasing events in the world, shaping himself completely in their image. How is it possible to be uninterested in other men and by virtue of what cold nonchalance can you detach yourself from the life that they supply so copiously? (No, painting is not made to decorate apartments. It's an offensive and defensive weapon against the enemy.)โ Iโm glad you brought up Ali. Very timely with the NBA โstrikeโ. You are right, Ali was a boxer and an activist. But do you know what when it really came down to it with Vietnam Ali put it all down and stopped boxing. He was purely an activist and one history will always remember. Picasso didnโt drop his brush and give up his life because of Guernica. That doesnโt minimize the work. That doesnโt minimize the effect of the work. But Picasso was an artist. Banksy appears to be dropping his can and doing things but then he doesnโt. I donโt know if Banksy is an artist or not. Im not even sure if Banksy is really involved much in these things. And when things are that important and life and death we saw what Muhammad Ali did for what he believed in. Others the same. Thatโs my point. The ambiguity of Banksy is problematic to me. |
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Big Bad Mo
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Big Bad Mo on Aug 29, 2020 23:22:43 GMT 1, Banksy is a โbrandโ. Banksy putting his โbrandโ on this is good and honourable imo, I donโt understand why stating that Banksy is a โbrandโ would be cynical. I feel like your whole response has taken the wrong context in my response or maybe I didnโt explain my position correctly. Either way I feel like we arenโt that far away on position so I donโt want to be disturbing or depressing you. Yes, perhaps our views arenโt so different and my latter comments werenโt directly targeted at you. Perhaps wrongly directed on my part and, for that, I apologise. Iโve just been quite frustrated reading a variety of comments and I think it just bubbled over. Iโm generally a very patient person! I do appreciate that there are opposing views or arguments and Iโm open to engaging and listening to them. Debate is a healthy thing after all but, again, I think I perhaps misinterpreted your initial comments and so I apologise for misdirecting my own remarks.
Not a problem at all mate, I know the feeling. Good to clear it up. Have a good weekend.
Banksy is a โbrandโ. Banksy putting his โbrandโ on this is good and honourable imo, I donโt understand why stating that Banksy is a โbrandโ would be cynical. I feel like your whole response has taken the wrong context in my response or maybe I didnโt explain my position correctly. Either way I feel like we arenโt that far away on position so I donโt want to be disturbing or depressing you. Yes, perhaps our views arenโt so different and my latter comments werenโt directly targeted at you. Perhaps wrongly directed on my part and, for that, I apologise. Iโve just been quite frustrated reading a variety of comments and I think it just bubbled over. Iโm generally a very patient person! I do appreciate that there are opposing views or arguments and Iโm open to engaging and listening to them. Debate is a healthy thing after all but, again, I think I perhaps misinterpreted your initial comments and so I apologise for misdirecting my own remarks. Not a problem at all mate, I know the feeling. Good to clear it up. Have a good weekend. |
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mrizzle
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by mrizzle on Aug 29, 2020 23:26:10 GMT 1, I did but it wasnโt particularly clear why you felt that this could be so swiftly dismissed. I refuse to believe that you are either one thing or the other. Moving from art for a moment, was Muhammad Ali โonlyโ a boxer or was he a boxer and a civil rights activist who spoke out against racism, oppression, he Vietnam war and later about Islamaphobia (both with words and actions)? Is his reputation tarnished because he (arguably) used his notoriety to speak out and be both a champion in the boxing ring and an actor for change? I do not believe or accept that a person is either one thing or the other and that the two cannot co-exist. I donโt find your argument that Banksy is โblurringโ the distinctions between being an artist and/or a humanitarian/activist to be a particularly credible or strong argument. Should he sit back and do nothing about the issues that he feels strongly about (and which highlight global injustice and tragedy) so as not to upset people who think heโs โjust an artistโ? The full comment made by Picasso does, I think, lend further weight to my argument, "What do you think an artist is? An imbecile who only has eyes if he's a painter, ears if he's a musician, or a lyre in every chamber of his heart if he's a poet โ or even, if he's a boxer, only some muscles? Quite the contrary, he is at the same time a political being constantly alert to the horrifying, passionate or pleasing events in the world, shaping himself completely in their image. How is it possible to be uninterested in other men and by virtue of what cold nonchalance can you detach yourself from the life that they supply so copiously? (No, painting is not made to decorate apartments. It's an offensive and defensive weapon against the enemy.)โ Iโm glad you brought up Ali. Very timely with the NBA โstrikeโ. You are right, Ali was a boxer and an activist. But do you know what when it really came down to it with Vietnam Ali put it all down and stopped boxing. He was purely an activist and one history will always remember. Picasso didnโt drop his brush and give up his life because of Guernica. That doesnโt minimize the work. That doesnโt minimize the effect of the work. But Picasso was an artist. Banksy appears to be dropping his can and doing things but then he doesnโt. I donโt know if Banksy is an artist or not. Im not even sure if Banksy is really involved much in these things. And when things are that important and life and death we saw what Muhammad Ali did for what he believed in. Others the same. Thatโs my point. The ambiguity of Banksy is problematic to me.
Ali didnโt give up boxing, he was stripped of his boxing licence and unable to box for 4 years. Youโre being a little selective in your use of facts though I find the rest of your points more thought-provoking. I am, however, wary of posting an emotional response and taking this thread over any further.
I did but it wasnโt particularly clear why you felt that this could be so swiftly dismissed. I refuse to believe that you are either one thing or the other. Moving from art for a moment, was Muhammad Ali โonlyโ a boxer or was he a boxer and a civil rights activist who spoke out against racism, oppression, he Vietnam war and later about Islamaphobia (both with words and actions)? Is his reputation tarnished because he (arguably) used his notoriety to speak out and be both a champion in the boxing ring and an actor for change? I do not believe or accept that a person is either one thing or the other and that the two cannot co-exist. I donโt find your argument that Banksy is โblurringโ the distinctions between being an artist and/or a humanitarian/activist to be a particularly credible or strong argument. Should he sit back and do nothing about the issues that he feels strongly about (and which highlight global injustice and tragedy) so as not to upset people who think heโs โjust an artistโ? The full comment made by Picasso does, I think, lend further weight to my argument, "What do you think an artist is? An imbecile who only has eyes if he's a painter, ears if he's a musician, or a lyre in every chamber of his heart if he's a poet โ or even, if he's a boxer, only some muscles? Quite the contrary, he is at the same time a political being constantly alert to the horrifying, passionate or pleasing events in the world, shaping himself completely in their image. How is it possible to be uninterested in other men and by virtue of what cold nonchalance can you detach yourself from the life that they supply so copiously? (No, painting is not made to decorate apartments. It's an offensive and defensive weapon against the enemy.)โ Iโm glad you brought up Ali. Very timely with the NBA โstrikeโ. You are right, Ali was a boxer and an activist. But do you know what when it really came down to it with Vietnam Ali put it all down and stopped boxing. He was purely an activist and one history will always remember. Picasso didnโt drop his brush and give up his life because of Guernica. That doesnโt minimize the work. That doesnโt minimize the effect of the work. But Picasso was an artist. Banksy appears to be dropping his can and doing things but then he doesnโt. I donโt know if Banksy is an artist or not. Im not even sure if Banksy is really involved much in these things. And when things are that important and life and death we saw what Muhammad Ali did for what he believed in. Others the same. Thatโs my point. The ambiguity of Banksy is problematic to me. Ali didnโt give up boxing, he was stripped of his boxing licence and unable to box for 4 years. Youโre being a little selective in your use of facts though I find the rest of your points more thought-provoking. I am, however, wary of posting an emotional response and taking this thread over any further. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 29, 2020 23:31:01 GMT 1, Iโm glad you brought up Ali. Very timely with the NBA โstrikeโ. You are right, Ali was a boxer and an activist. But do you know what when it really came down to it with Vietnam Ali put it all down and stopped boxing. He was purely an activist and one history will always remember. Picasso didnโt drop his brush and give up his life because of Guernica. That doesnโt minimize the work. That doesnโt minimize the effect of the work. But Picasso was an artist. Banksy appears to be dropping his can and doing things but then he doesnโt. I donโt know if Banksy is an artist or not. Im not even sure if Banksy is really involved much in these things. And when things are that important and life and death we saw what Muhammad Ali did for what he believed in. Others the same. Thatโs my point. The ambiguity of Banksy is problematic to me. Ali didnโt give up boxing, he was stripped of his boxing licence and unable to box for 4 years.
Exactly. He gave it up.
Iโm glad you brought up Ali. Very timely with the NBA โstrikeโ. You are right, Ali was a boxer and an activist. But do you know what when it really came down to it with Vietnam Ali put it all down and stopped boxing. He was purely an activist and one history will always remember. Picasso didnโt drop his brush and give up his life because of Guernica. That doesnโt minimize the work. That doesnโt minimize the effect of the work. But Picasso was an artist. Banksy appears to be dropping his can and doing things but then he doesnโt. I donโt know if Banksy is an artist or not. Im not even sure if Banksy is really involved much in these things. And when things are that important and life and death we saw what Muhammad Ali did for what he believed in. Others the same. Thatโs my point. The ambiguity of Banksy is problematic to me. Ali didnโt give up boxing, he was stripped of his boxing licence and unable to box for 4 years. Exactly. He gave it up. |
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mrizzle
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by mrizzle on Aug 29, 2020 23:32:01 GMT 1, Ali didnโt give up boxing, he was stripped of his boxing licence and unable to box for 4 years. Exactly. He gave it up.
He and his lawyers spent 4 years trying to appeal the decision so thatโs simply not accurate. He did not in any way โgive it upโ.
Again though, Iโm wary of side-tracking this, digressing further or taking over this thread so, with that, Iโll pipe down. You are wrong about Ali though... 
Ali didnโt give up boxing, he was stripped of his boxing licence and unable to box for 4 years. Exactly. He gave it up. He and his lawyers spent 4 years trying to appeal the decision so thatโs simply not accurate. He did not in any way โgive it upโ. Again though, Iโm wary of side-tracking this, digressing further or taking over this thread so, with that, Iโll pipe down. You are wrong about Ali though... |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 29, 2020 23:58:00 GMT 1, He and his lawyers spent 4 years trying to appeal the decision so thatโs simply not accurate. He did not in any way โgive it upโ. Again though, Iโm wary of side-tracking this, digressing further or taking over this thread so, with that, Iโll pipe down. You are wrong about Ali though...
He knew exactly what he was doing and what they would do to him. Yet he did it anyway.
Hence why he is the GOAT.
He and his lawyers spent 4 years trying to appeal the decision so thatโs simply not accurate. He did not in any way โgive it upโ. Again though, Iโm wary of side-tracking this, digressing further or taking over this thread so, with that, Iโll pipe down. You are wrong about Ali though... He knew exactly what he was doing and what they would do to him. Yet he did it anyway. Hence why he is the GOAT. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by mrizzle on Aug 30, 2020 7:20:45 GMT 1,
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Lroy on Aug 30, 2020 21:52:11 GMT 1, Hurrah Marseille will accept The Banksy Louise-Michel rescue boat ! Great news !
Only found the link in French sorry
Hurrah Marseille will accept The Banksy Louise-Michel rescue boat ! Great news !
Only found the link in French sorry
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Aug 31, 2020 0:45:18 GMT 1, Love that same energy for seawatch4.... not
Love that same energy for seawatch4.... not
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Chris JL on Aug 31, 2020 9:14:04 GMT 1, United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
Article 98 (1): โ[...] every State shall require the master of a ship flying its flag, in so far as he can do so without serious damage to the ship, the crew, or the passengers [...] render assistance to any person found at sea in danger of being lost [and] to proceed with all possible speed to the rescue of persons in distress, if informed of the need of assistance, in so far as such action may reasonably be expected of him. โ
Thatโs the law. Often broken by Italian xenophobic governments (eg one of their former ministers, a poorly educated fascist demagogue, should be in jail by now).
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
Article 98 (1): โ[...] every State shall require the master of a ship flying its flag, in so far as he can do so without serious damage to the ship, the crew, or the passengers [...] render assistance to any person found at sea in danger of being lost [and] to proceed with all possible speed to the rescue of persons in distress, if informed of the need of assistance, in so far as such action may reasonably be expected of him. โ
Thatโs the law. Often broken by Italian xenophobic governments (eg one of their former ministers, a poorly educated fascist demagogue, should be in jail by now).
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Extra Ball on Aug 31, 2020 9:44:29 GMT 1, United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Article 98 (1): โ[...] every State shall require the master of a ship flying its flag, in so far as he can do so without serious damage to the ship, the crew, or the passengers [...] render assistance to any person found at sea in danger of being lost [and] to proceed with all possible speed to the rescue of persons in distress, if informed of the need of assistance, in so far as such action may reasonably be expected of him. โ Thatโs the law. Often broken by Italian xenophobic governments (eg one of their former ministers, a poorly educated fascist demagogue, should be in jail by now).
Peter Clarke's report in 2018 is quite edifying about the reception conditions of migrants on its territory.
www.ein.org.uk/news/chief-inspector-prisons-releases-critical-report-harmondsworth-immigration-removal-centre
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Article 98 (1): โ[...] every State shall require the master of a ship flying its flag, in so far as he can do so without serious damage to the ship, the crew, or the passengers [...] render assistance to any person found at sea in danger of being lost [and] to proceed with all possible speed to the rescue of persons in distress, if informed of the need of assistance, in so far as such action may reasonably be expected of him. โ Thatโs the law. Often broken by Italian xenophobic governments (eg one of their former ministers, a poorly educated fascist demagogue, should be in jail by now). Totally agree with you but I don't think the UK government is any better on this. Peter Clarke's report in 2018 is quite edifying about the reception conditions of migrants on its territory. www.ein.org.uk/news/chief-inspector-prisons-releases-critical-report-harmondsworth-immigration-removal-centre |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 1, 2020 2:27:43 GMT 1, So crickets. Sounds like Banksy solves the problem...
So crickets. Sounds like Banksy solves the problem...
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by jonvespa on Sept 2, 2020 1:01:45 GMT 1, So this is how it goes.....and I can only refer to Syria, as that has been my experience as far as volunteering. Syrians escape to Turkey. My families have told me horrific stories from what happened there. They didn't escape for the hell of it. They stayed and died or left and tried to save their families. They then have to raise money to pay a smuggler to get them across the Mediterranean to Greece. The families I know paid around 1000 euros per person. They show up on the beach and are told they can only bring the clothing on their backs. No suitcases or otherwise. Assuming the raft makes it to Greece, they cannot be denied as they are refugees from a war torn Country. Typically, it seems like the rafts head towards the island of Lesvos (that's where you see the photos of discarded life vests). Once arrived, (hopefully) they are greeted by volunteers from NGO'S who provide clothing and something to eat. The refugees stay in a camp in Lesvos while they get processed and put into the "system". From there, the refugees are moved to another camp somewhere in Greece. Ritsona, where the mats are made by Love Welcomes, housed 800 people when I was there in 2016 and 2017. The camp is now home to over 3000 people. It's an old military base about an hour from Athens. When I arrived, the refugees were in tents, but soon moved into Boxes (sort of like production trailers). At the camp, the refugee parents work with IOM to apply to a host Country to take them. For instance, if they have family already in Germany, they put that Country as their first choice. At the camp, there's virtually no opportunity for the adults to work or be productive. The school age children go to school and learn English and Greek (this was new when I got there). I started a new preschool program at the camp. Even though a Country might accept a family, it could still take many months to have the opportunity to go. My families were in Greece 2-3 years easily. Previously, Greece was moving families into apartments while they waited, but that changed...and families were kicked out of apartments and are now homeless and literally starving on the streets....but I digress. Eventually, the families hopefully get to go to the Country that accepted them and they start new lives.
The families I speak with would love to go back to Syria and live normal lives...but that opportunity just still isn't there...or they've lost absolutely everything.
Probably also interesting to note is that the poor are the ones who were left behind. They couldn't afford the smugglers. It's the middle class who could come up with the money to leave. The college students and working class/professionals. When you see a refugee in a camp, you may not realize they had a year to go in Syria before earning their law degree or that they were a teacher, or owned a restaurant.
The trek from Turkey to Greece is quite treacherous. People die regularly. Other people get turned around by the authorities (they lose all that money they spent to get smuggled and have to try and start from scratch). So what Banksy funded is pretty incredible.
I realize this BARELY scratches the surface of everything here...it's a long read, pretty boring compared to all the other chatter (did you SEE that Banksquiat auction result? haha)...but if you have a chance, watch the documentaries: CRIES FROM SYRIA (on HBO in the US) and then watch IT WILL BE CHAOS (also on HBO in the US). It will school you pretty hard on what happened in Syria and then how people got out (or tried to).
So this is how it goes.....and I can only refer to Syria, as that has been my experience as far as volunteering. Syrians escape to Turkey. My families have told me horrific stories from what happened there. They didn't escape for the hell of it. They stayed and died or left and tried to save their families. They then have to raise money to pay a smuggler to get them across the Mediterranean to Greece. The families I know paid around 1000 euros per person. They show up on the beach and are told they can only bring the clothing on their backs. No suitcases or otherwise. Assuming the raft makes it to Greece, they cannot be denied as they are refugees from a war torn Country. Typically, it seems like the rafts head towards the island of Lesvos (that's where you see the photos of discarded life vests). Once arrived, (hopefully) they are greeted by volunteers from NGO'S who provide clothing and something to eat. The refugees stay in a camp in Lesvos while they get processed and put into the "system". From there, the refugees are moved to another camp somewhere in Greece. Ritsona, where the mats are made by Love Welcomes, housed 800 people when I was there in 2016 and 2017. The camp is now home to over 3000 people. It's an old military base about an hour from Athens. When I arrived, the refugees were in tents, but soon moved into Boxes (sort of like production trailers). At the camp, the refugee parents work with IOM to apply to a host Country to take them. For instance, if they have family already in Germany, they put that Country as their first choice. At the camp, there's virtually no opportunity for the adults to work or be productive. The school age children go to school and learn English and Greek (this was new when I got there). I started a new preschool program at the camp. Even though a Country might accept a family, it could still take many months to have the opportunity to go. My families were in Greece 2-3 years easily. Previously, Greece was moving families into apartments while they waited, but that changed...and families were kicked out of apartments and are now homeless and literally starving on the streets....but I digress. Eventually, the families hopefully get to go to the Country that accepted them and they start new lives.
The families I speak with would love to go back to Syria and live normal lives...but that opportunity just still isn't there...or they've lost absolutely everything.
Probably also interesting to note is that the poor are the ones who were left behind. They couldn't afford the smugglers. It's the middle class who could come up with the money to leave. The college students and working class/professionals. When you see a refugee in a camp, you may not realize they had a year to go in Syria before earning their law degree or that they were a teacher, or owned a restaurant.
The trek from Turkey to Greece is quite treacherous. People die regularly. Other people get turned around by the authorities (they lose all that money they spent to get smuggled and have to try and start from scratch). So what Banksy funded is pretty incredible.
I realize this BARELY scratches the surface of everything here...it's a long read, pretty boring compared to all the other chatter (did you SEE that Banksquiat auction result? haha)...but if you have a chance, watch the documentaries: CRIES FROM SYRIA (on HBO in the US) and then watch IT WILL BE CHAOS (also on HBO in the US). It will school you pretty hard on what happened in Syria and then how people got out (or tried to).
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by tab1 on Sept 2, 2020 1:23:14 GMT 1, So this is how it goes.....and I can only refer to Syria, as that has been my experience as far as volunteering. Syrians escape to Turkey. My families have told me horrific stories from what happened there. They didn't escape for the hell of it. They stayed and died or left and tried to save their families. They then have to raise money to pay a smuggler to get them across the Mediterranean to Greece. The families I know paid around 1000 euros per person. They show up on the beach and are told they can only bring the clothing on their backs. No suitcases or otherwise. Assuming the raft makes it to Greece, they cannot be denied as they are refugees from a war torn Country. Typically, it seems like the rafts head towards the island of Lesvos (that's where you see the photos of discarded life vests). Once arrived, (hopefully) they are greeted by volunteers from NGO'S who provide clothing and something to eat. The refugees stay in a camp in Lesvos while they get processed and put into the "system". From there, the refugees are moved to another camp somewhere in Greece. Ritsona, where the mats are made by Love Welcomes, housed 800 people when I was there in 2016 and 2017. The camp is now home to over 3000 people. It's an old military base about an hour from Athens. When I arrived, the refugees were in tents, but soon moved intoIn Search OfBoxes (sort of like production trailers). At the camp, the refugee parents work with IOM to apply to a host Country to take them. For instance, if they have family already in Germany, they put that Country as their first choice. At the camp, there's virtually no opportunity for the adults to work or be productive. The school age children go to school and learn English and Greek (this was new when I got there). I started a new preschool program at the camp. Even though a Country might accept a family, it could still take many months to have the opportunity to go. My families were in Greece 2-3 years easily. Previously, Greece was moving families into apartments while they waited, but that changed...and families were kicked out of apartments and are now homeless and literally starving on the streets....but I digress. Eventually, the families hopefully get to go to the Country that accepted them and they start new lives. The families I speak with would love to go back to Syria and live normal lives...but that opportunity just still isn't there...or they've lost absolutely everything. Probably also interesting to note is that the poor are the ones who were left behind. They couldn't afford the smugglers. It's the middle class who could come up with the money to leave. The college students and working class/professionals. When you see a refugee in a camp, you may not realize they had a year to go in Syria before earning their law degree or that they were a teacher, or owned a restaurant. The trek from Turkey to Greece is quite treacherous. People die regularly. Other people get turned around by the authorities (they lose all that money they spent to get smuggled and have to try and start from scratch). So what Banksy funded is pretty incredible. I realize this BARELY scratches the surface of everything here...it's a long read, pretty boring compared to all the other chatter (did you SEE that Banksquiat auction result? haha)...but if you have a chance, watch the documentaries: CRIES FROM SYRIA (on HBO in the US) and then watch IT WILL BE CHAOS (also on HBO in the US). It will school you pretty hard on what happened in Syria and then how people got out (or tried to).
Even in a situation as this , there is a class system having the advantage and the poor are left behind
So this is how it goes.....and I can only refer to Syria, as that has been my experience as far as volunteering. Syrians escape to Turkey. My families have told me horrific stories from what happened there. They didn't escape for the hell of it. They stayed and died or left and tried to save their families. They then have to raise money to pay a smuggler to get them across the Mediterranean to Greece. The families I know paid around 1000 euros per person. They show up on the beach and are told they can only bring the clothing on their backs. No suitcases or otherwise. Assuming the raft makes it to Greece, they cannot be denied as they are refugees from a war torn Country. Typically, it seems like the rafts head towards the island of Lesvos (that's where you see the photos of discarded life vests). Once arrived, (hopefully) they are greeted by volunteers from NGO'S who provide clothing and something to eat. The refugees stay in a camp in Lesvos while they get processed and put into the "system". From there, the refugees are moved to another camp somewhere in Greece. Ritsona, where the mats are made by Love Welcomes, housed 800 people when I was there in 2016 and 2017. The camp is now home to over 3000 people. It's an old military base about an hour from Athens. When I arrived, the refugees were in tents, but soon moved intoIn Search OfBoxes (sort of like production trailers). At the camp, the refugee parents work with IOM to apply to a host Country to take them. For instance, if they have family already in Germany, they put that Country as their first choice. At the camp, there's virtually no opportunity for the adults to work or be productive. The school age children go to school and learn English and Greek (this was new when I got there). I started a new preschool program at the camp. Even though a Country might accept a family, it could still take many months to have the opportunity to go. My families were in Greece 2-3 years easily. Previously, Greece was moving families into apartments while they waited, but that changed...and families were kicked out of apartments and are now homeless and literally starving on the streets....but I digress. Eventually, the families hopefully get to go to the Country that accepted them and they start new lives. The families I speak with would love to go back to Syria and live normal lives...but that opportunity just still isn't there...or they've lost absolutely everything. Probably also interesting to note is that the poor are the ones who were left behind. They couldn't afford the smugglers. It's the middle class who could come up with the money to leave. The college students and working class/professionals. When you see a refugee in a camp, you may not realize they had a year to go in Syria before earning their law degree or that they were a teacher, or owned a restaurant. The trek from Turkey to Greece is quite treacherous. People die regularly. Other people get turned around by the authorities (they lose all that money they spent to get smuggled and have to try and start from scratch). So what Banksy funded is pretty incredible. I realize this BARELY scratches the surface of everything here...it's a long read, pretty boring compared to all the other chatter (did you SEE that Banksquiat auction result? haha)...but if you have a chance, watch the documentaries: CRIES FROM SYRIA (on HBO in the US) and then watch IT WILL BE CHAOS (also on HBO in the US). It will school you pretty hard on what happened in Syria and then how people got out (or tried to). Even in a situation as this , there is a class system having the advantage and the poor are left behind |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by mojo on Sept 3, 2020 14:26:04 GMT 1, So this is how it goes.....and I can only refer to Syria, as that has been my experience as far as volunteering. Syrians escape to Turkey. My families have told me horrific stories from what happened there. They didn't escape for the hell of it. They stayed and died or left and tried to save their families. They then have to raise money to pay a smuggler to get them across the Mediterranean to Greece. The families I know paid around 1000 euros per person. They show up on the beach and are told they can only bring the clothing on their backs. No suitcases or otherwise. Assuming the raft makes it to Greece, they cannot be denied as they are refugees from a war torn Country. Typically, it seems like the rafts head towards the island of Lesvos (that's where you see the photos of discarded life vests). Once arrived, (hopefully) they are greeted by volunteers from NGO'S who provide clothing and something to eat. The refugees stay in a camp in Lesvos while they get processed and put into the "system". From there, the refugees are moved to another camp somewhere in Greece. Ritsona, where the mats are made by Love Welcomes, housed 800 people when I was there in 2016 and 2017. The camp is now home to over 3000 people. It's an old military base about an hour from Athens. When I arrived, the refugees were in tents, but soon moved intoIn Search OfBoxes (sort of like production trailers). At the camp, the refugee parents work with IOM to apply to a host Country to take them. For instance, if they have family already in Germany, they put that Country as their first choice. At the camp, there's virtually no opportunity for the adults to work or be productive. The school age children go to school and learn English and Greek (this was new when I got there). I started a new preschool program at the camp. Even though a Country might accept a family, it could still take many months to have the opportunity to go. My families were in Greece 2-3 years easily. Previously, Greece was moving families into apartments while they waited, but that changed...and families were kicked out of apartments and are now homeless and literally starving on the streets....but I digress. Eventually, the families hopefully get to go to the Country that accepted them and they start new lives. The families I speak with would love to go back to Syria and live normal lives...but that opportunity just still isn't there...or they've lost absolutely everything. Probably also interesting to note is that the poor are the ones who were left behind. They couldn't afford the smugglers. It's the middle class who could come up with the money to leave. The college students and working class/professionals. When you see a refugee in a camp, you may not realize they had a year to go in Syria before earning their law degree or that they were a teacher, or owned a restaurant. The trek from Turkey to Greece is quite treacherous. People die regularly. Other people get turned around by the authorities (they lose all that money they spent to get smuggled and have to try and start from scratch). So what Banksy funded is pretty incredible. I realize this BARELY scratches the surface of everything here...it's a long read, pretty boring compared to all the other chatter (did you SEE that Banksquiat auction result? haha)...but if you have a chance, watch the documentaries: CRIES FROM SYRIA (on HBO in the US) and then watch IT WILL BE CHAOS (also on HBO in the US). It will school you pretty hard on what happened in Syria and then how people got out (or tried to).
It also highlights why it is important to support Love Welcomes by buying the Banksy Welcome mats direct and not through anybody hiking up the resale value to make instant profit for themselves.
So this is how it goes.....and I can only refer to Syria, as that has been my experience as far as volunteering. Syrians escape to Turkey. My families have told me horrific stories from what happened there. They didn't escape for the hell of it. They stayed and died or left and tried to save their families. They then have to raise money to pay a smuggler to get them across the Mediterranean to Greece. The families I know paid around 1000 euros per person. They show up on the beach and are told they can only bring the clothing on their backs. No suitcases or otherwise. Assuming the raft makes it to Greece, they cannot be denied as they are refugees from a war torn Country. Typically, it seems like the rafts head towards the island of Lesvos (that's where you see the photos of discarded life vests). Once arrived, (hopefully) they are greeted by volunteers from NGO'S who provide clothing and something to eat. The refugees stay in a camp in Lesvos while they get processed and put into the "system". From there, the refugees are moved to another camp somewhere in Greece. Ritsona, where the mats are made by Love Welcomes, housed 800 people when I was there in 2016 and 2017. The camp is now home to over 3000 people. It's an old military base about an hour from Athens. When I arrived, the refugees were in tents, but soon moved intoIn Search OfBoxes (sort of like production trailers). At the camp, the refugee parents work with IOM to apply to a host Country to take them. For instance, if they have family already in Germany, they put that Country as their first choice. At the camp, there's virtually no opportunity for the adults to work or be productive. The school age children go to school and learn English and Greek (this was new when I got there). I started a new preschool program at the camp. Even though a Country might accept a family, it could still take many months to have the opportunity to go. My families were in Greece 2-3 years easily. Previously, Greece was moving families into apartments while they waited, but that changed...and families were kicked out of apartments and are now homeless and literally starving on the streets....but I digress. Eventually, the families hopefully get to go to the Country that accepted them and they start new lives. The families I speak with would love to go back to Syria and live normal lives...but that opportunity just still isn't there...or they've lost absolutely everything. Probably also interesting to note is that the poor are the ones who were left behind. They couldn't afford the smugglers. It's the middle class who could come up with the money to leave. The college students and working class/professionals. When you see a refugee in a camp, you may not realize they had a year to go in Syria before earning their law degree or that they were a teacher, or owned a restaurant. The trek from Turkey to Greece is quite treacherous. People die regularly. Other people get turned around by the authorities (they lose all that money they spent to get smuggled and have to try and start from scratch). So what Banksy funded is pretty incredible. I realize this BARELY scratches the surface of everything here...it's a long read, pretty boring compared to all the other chatter (did you SEE that Banksquiat auction result? haha)...but if you have a chance, watch the documentaries: CRIES FROM SYRIA (on HBO in the US) and then watch IT WILL BE CHAOS (also on HBO in the US). It will school you pretty hard on what happened in Syria and then how people got out (or tried to). Thank you for sharing your experiences with us and for your efforts to help vulnerable refugees fleeing Syria. It also highlights why it is important to support Love Welcomes by buying the Banksy Welcome mats direct and not through anybody hiking up the resale value to make instant profit for themselves. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 14:38:55 GMT 1, So this is how it goes.....and I can only refer to Syria, as that has been my experience as far as volunteering. Syrians escape to Turkey. My families have told me horrific stories from what happened there. They didn't escape for the hell of it. They stayed and died or left and tried to save their families. They then have to raise money to pay a smuggler to get them across the Mediterranean to Greece. The families I know paid around 1000 euros per person. They show up on the beach and are told they can only bring the clothing on their backs. No suitcases or otherwise. Assuming the raft makes it to Greece, they cannot be denied as they are refugees from a war torn Country. Typically, it seems like the rafts head towards the island of Lesvos (that's where you see the photos of discarded life vests). Once arrived, (hopefully) they are greeted by volunteers from NGO'S who provide clothing and something to eat. The refugees stay in a camp in Lesvos while they get processed and put into the "system". From there, the refugees are moved to another camp somewhere in Greece. Ritsona, where the mats are made by Love Welcomes, housed 800 people when I was there in 2016 and 2017. The camp is now home to over 3000 people. It's an old military base about an hour from Athens. When I arrived, the refugees were in tents, but soon moved intoIn Search OfBoxes (sort of like production trailers). At the camp, the refugee parents work with IOM to apply to a host Country to take them. For instance, if they have family already in Germany, they put that Country as their first choice. At the camp, there's virtually no opportunity for the adults to work or be productive. The school age children go to school and learn English and Greek (this was new when I got there). I started a new preschool program at the camp. Even though a Country might accept a family, it could still take many months to have the opportunity to go. My families were in Greece 2-3 years easily. Previously, Greece was moving families into apartments while they waited, but that changed...and families were kicked out of apartments and are now homeless and literally starving on the streets....but I digress. Eventually, the families hopefully get to go to the Country that accepted them and they start new lives. The families I speak with would love to go back to Syria and live normal lives...but that opportunity just still isn't there...or they've lost absolutely everything. Probably also interesting to note is that the poor are the ones who were left behind. They couldn't afford the smugglers. It's the middle class who could come up with the money to leave. The college students and working class/professionals. When you see a refugee in a camp, you may not realize they had a year to go in Syria before earning their law degree or that they were a teacher, or owned a restaurant. The trek from Turkey to Greece is quite treacherous. People die regularly. Other people get turned around by the authorities (they lose all that money they spent to get smuggled and have to try and start from scratch). So what Banksy funded is pretty incredible. I realize this BARELY scratches the surface of everything here...it's a long read, pretty boring compared to all the other chatter (did you SEE that Banksquiat auction result? haha)...but if you have a chance, watch the documentaries: CRIES FROM SYRIA (on HBO in the US) and then watch IT WILL BE CHAOS (also on HBO in the US). It will school you pretty hard on what happened in Syria and then how people got out (or tried to).
Great post. Thankyou
So this is how it goes.....and I can only refer to Syria, as that has been my experience as far as volunteering. Syrians escape to Turkey. My families have told me horrific stories from what happened there. They didn't escape for the hell of it. They stayed and died or left and tried to save their families. They then have to raise money to pay a smuggler to get them across the Mediterranean to Greece. The families I know paid around 1000 euros per person. They show up on the beach and are told they can only bring the clothing on their backs. No suitcases or otherwise. Assuming the raft makes it to Greece, they cannot be denied as they are refugees from a war torn Country. Typically, it seems like the rafts head towards the island of Lesvos (that's where you see the photos of discarded life vests). Once arrived, (hopefully) they are greeted by volunteers from NGO'S who provide clothing and something to eat. The refugees stay in a camp in Lesvos while they get processed and put into the "system". From there, the refugees are moved to another camp somewhere in Greece. Ritsona, where the mats are made by Love Welcomes, housed 800 people when I was there in 2016 and 2017. The camp is now home to over 3000 people. It's an old military base about an hour from Athens. When I arrived, the refugees were in tents, but soon moved intoIn Search OfBoxes (sort of like production trailers). At the camp, the refugee parents work with IOM to apply to a host Country to take them. For instance, if they have family already in Germany, they put that Country as their first choice. At the camp, there's virtually no opportunity for the adults to work or be productive. The school age children go to school and learn English and Greek (this was new when I got there). I started a new preschool program at the camp. Even though a Country might accept a family, it could still take many months to have the opportunity to go. My families were in Greece 2-3 years easily. Previously, Greece was moving families into apartments while they waited, but that changed...and families were kicked out of apartments and are now homeless and literally starving on the streets....but I digress. Eventually, the families hopefully get to go to the Country that accepted them and they start new lives. The families I speak with would love to go back to Syria and live normal lives...but that opportunity just still isn't there...or they've lost absolutely everything. Probably also interesting to note is that the poor are the ones who were left behind. They couldn't afford the smugglers. It's the middle class who could come up with the money to leave. The college students and working class/professionals. When you see a refugee in a camp, you may not realize they had a year to go in Syria before earning their law degree or that they were a teacher, or owned a restaurant. The trek from Turkey to Greece is quite treacherous. People die regularly. Other people get turned around by the authorities (they lose all that money they spent to get smuggled and have to try and start from scratch). So what Banksy funded is pretty incredible. I realize this BARELY scratches the surface of everything here...it's a long read, pretty boring compared to all the other chatter (did you SEE that Banksquiat auction result? haha)...but if you have a chance, watch the documentaries: CRIES FROM SYRIA (on HBO in the US) and then watch IT WILL BE CHAOS (also on HBO in the US). It will school you pretty hard on what happened in Syria and then how people got out (or tried to). Great post. Thankyou |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 4, 2020 19:34:05 GMT 1, Is the boat now in some rich VIPs collection?
Is the boat now in some rich VIPs collection?
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 5, 2020 21:28:39 GMT 1,
So Banksy boat packing up ship and sailing on?
So Banksy boat packing up ship and sailing on?
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 8, 2020 14:56:56 GMT 1, Swoop in swoop out.
Classic.
Swoop in swoop out.
Classic.
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by JockoLad on Sept 8, 2020 15:10:26 GMT 1, Swoop in swoop out. Classic.
Eh................nah.
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 10, 2020 1:42:51 GMT 1, Swoop in swoop out. Classic. Eh................nah.
Seen this pony show before.
Rich celebrity swoops in to do some good get some publicity and then poof...
That was one of my concerns with the Walled Off. Luckily that one proves otherwise.
This however is turning a little cringe worthy.
Swoop in swoop out. Classic. Eh................nah. Seen this pony show before. Rich celebrity swoops in to do some good get some publicity and then poof... That was one of my concerns with the Walled Off. Luckily that one proves otherwise. This however is turning a little cringe worthy. |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by chefd on Sept 10, 2020 6:18:33 GMT 1, This however is turning a little cringe worthy.
Like your posts....
This however is turning a little cringe worthy. Like your posts.... |
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Banksy funds Refugee Rescue boat, by Rouen Cathedral on Sept 10, 2020 14:25:49 GMT 1, This however is turning a little cringe worthy. Like your posts....
Why cause Iโm calling Banksy out?
How dare I... does that hurt your feelings?
This however is turning a little cringe worthy. Like your posts.... Why cause Iโm calling Banksy out? How dare I... does that hurt your feelings? |
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