mechismo
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by mechismo on Sept 17, 2021 14:25:40 GMT 1, First auction for a while with no passes too... shows what a good auction house and good, well chosen commissions can do.
First auction for a while with no passes too... shows what a good auction house and good, well chosen commissions can do.
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otomi
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by otomi on Sept 17, 2021 14:28:47 GMT 1, are the final prices on the website with or without the fees?
are the final prices on the website with or without the fees?
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by dukeofwybourne on Sept 17, 2021 14:33:28 GMT 1, A mixed bag - decent results for the signed Girl With Balloon and Morons.
Poor results for Choose Your Weapon, grey (why the seller agreed to the ridiculously low estimate I don't know), Love Rat, Kate (nearly 100k lower than Sotheby's earlier this year), Laugh Now.
And average for most of the others.
A mixed bag - decent results for the signed Girl With Balloon and Morons.
Poor results for Choose Your Weapon, grey (why the seller agreed to the ridiculously low estimate I don't know), Love Rat, Kate (nearly 100k lower than Sotheby's earlier this year), Laugh Now.
And average for most of the others.
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18921892
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by 18921892 on Sept 17, 2021 14:35:45 GMT 1, are the final prices on the website with or without the fees?
Solid results there all the way round, not surprising really. The artist of our time.
Signed Laugh Now was low due to it being a gift dedicated print to "Brendan", who would want that print other than Brendan. The unsigned Girl With Balloon was not in good shape and horribly framed and still fetched ยฃ130k.
Trolleys ยฃ70k is great as is ยฃ120k for a Choose Your Weapon QJ.
are the final prices on the website with or without the fees? They include BP, but not ARR or VAT on BP. Sometimes members post the final numbers but the buyer will be paying more than the sold price. Solid results there all the way round, not surprising really. The artist of our time. Signed Laugh Now was low due to it being a gift dedicated print to "Brendan", who would want that print other than Brendan. The unsigned Girl With Balloon was not in good shape and horribly framed and still fetched ยฃ130k. Trolleys ยฃ70k is great as is ยฃ120k for a Choose Your Weapon QJ. |
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Fะฏ
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Fะฏ on Sept 17, 2021 14:44:05 GMT 1, The sale ends is completely buggered on the back
what on earth is all this
The sale ends is completely buggered on the back what on earth is all this |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by dukeofwybourne on Sept 17, 2021 14:45:25 GMT 1, are the final prices on the website with or without the fees? They include BP, but not ARR or VAT on BP. Sometimes members post the final numbers but the buyer will be paying more than the sold price. Solid results there all the way round, not surprising really. The artist of our time. Signed Laugh Now was low due to it being a gift dedicated print to "Brendan", who would want that print other than Brendan. The unsigned Girl With Balloon was not in good shape and horribly framed and still fetched ยฃ130k. Trolleys ยฃ70k is great as is ยฃ120k for a Choose Your Weapon QJ.
are the final prices on the website with or without the fees? They include BP, but not ARR or VAT on BP. Sometimes members post the final numbers but the buyer will be paying more than the sold price. Solid results there all the way round, not surprising really. The artist of our time. Signed Laugh Now was low due to it being a gift dedicated print to "Brendan", who would want that print other than Brendan. The unsigned Girl With Balloon was not in good shape and horribly framed and still fetched ยฃ130k. Trolleys ยฃ70k is great as is ยฃ120k for a Choose Your Weapon QJ. Yep good for Trolleys. Not too bad for No Ball Games. But in March at Sotheby's Choose Your Weapon Queue Jumping Grey went for ยฃ216,000... |
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wave
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by wave on Sept 17, 2021 14:51:11 GMT 1, A mixed bag - decent results for the signed Girl With Balloon and Morons. Poor results for Choose Your Weapon, grey (why the seller agreed to the ridiculously low estimate I don't know), Love Rat, Kate (nearly 100k lower than Sotheby's earlier this year), Laugh Now. And average for most of the others.
Says QJQ had some condition issues. Dunno how bad?
A mixed bag - decent results for the signed Girl With Balloon and Morons. Poor results for Choose Your Weapon, grey (why the seller agreed to the ridiculously low estimate I don't know), Love Rat, Kate (nearly 100k lower than Sotheby's earlier this year), Laugh Now. And average for most of the others. Says QJQ had some condition issues. Dunno how bad? |
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Knowss
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Knowss on Sept 17, 2021 14:57:58 GMT 1, I wonder if this is going to have any effect on the Christie's auction now.
I wonder if this is going to have any effect on the Christie's auction now.
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orchid
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by orchid on Sept 17, 2021 14:58:06 GMT 1, A mixed bag - decent results for the signed Girl With Balloon and Morons. Poor results for Choose Your Weapon, grey (why the seller agreed to the ridiculously low estimate I don't know), Love Rat, Kate (nearly 100k lower than Sotheby's earlier this year), Laugh Now. And average for most of the others.
No one's been buying overvalued banksy prints a while since the auctions got greedy with all these banksy only sales and the big cash out exodus. Dead.
A mixed bag - decent results for the signed Girl With Balloon and Morons. Poor results for Choose Your Weapon, grey (why the seller agreed to the ridiculously low estimate I don't know), Love Rat, Kate (nearly 100k lower than Sotheby's earlier this year), Laugh Now. And average for most of the others. No one's been buying overvalued banksy prints a while since the auctions got greedy with all these banksy only sales and the big cash out exodus. Dead. |
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sincebyman
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by sincebyman on Sept 17, 2021 15:03:17 GMT 1, With this result, whatโs a good price to ask for my green Nbg? Me thinks it is times to move on. Okay.
With this result, whatโs a good price to ask for my green Nbg? Me thinks it is times to move on. Okay.
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mechismo
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by mechismo on Sept 17, 2021 15:23:50 GMT 1, The sale ends is completely buggered on the back what on earth is all this
Note to self, scratch Grey Goose Custom Framers off the list...
The sale ends is completely buggered on the back what on earth is all this Note to self, scratch Grey Goose Custom Framers off the list... |
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Georgie Poppit
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Georgie Poppit on Sept 17, 2021 15:25:42 GMT 1, When โLove is in the binโ goes through at a crazy price next month thereโs a chance it will have a positive effect on his prices.
Or not.
When โLove is in the binโ goes through at a crazy price next month thereโs a chance it will have a positive effect on his prices.
Or not.
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Dubman
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Dubman on Sept 17, 2021 15:53:22 GMT 1, Better results than expected to be fair, considering the woeful results of late, good to see appropriate corrections for some pieces (Police Kids was over ยฃ100k at the beginning of the year after being ยฃ30k in early 2020).
All commodities fluctuate and as has been shared on here no need for a 'fire sale' - the good thing is most who know are not selling anything which is keeping supply lower. If the auction houses can take a breath too and stop having auctions every 2 minutes that will also help (along with / after Love is in the bin).
Poker faces people - it will come back, always does.
Better results than expected to be fair, considering the woeful results of late, good to see appropriate corrections for some pieces (Police Kids was over ยฃ100k at the beginning of the year after being ยฃ30k in early 2020).
All commodities fluctuate and as has been shared on here no need for a 'fire sale' - the good thing is most who know are not selling anything which is keeping supply lower. If the auction houses can take a breath too and stop having auctions every 2 minutes that will also help (along with / after Love is in the bin).
Poker faces people - it will come back, always does.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Adam The Collector on Sept 17, 2021 18:32:39 GMT 1, 107k GBP for Sepia Morons... Hell Yeah! Lovely to see this "underrated" print really comes into its own. Always been my personal favorite.
107k GBP for Sepia Morons... Hell Yeah! Lovely to see this "underrated" print really comes into its own. Always been my personal favorite.
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soam24
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by soam24 on Sept 17, 2021 18:47:27 GMT 1, What is BP at Sotheby's? 20%? 25%?
What is BP at Sotheby's? 20%? 25%?
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Hubble Bubble
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Hubble Bubble on Sept 17, 2021 18:54:23 GMT 1, Add 35% to hammer is a good rule of thumb. Itโs a sliding scale but 35% on this level of hammer gets you 25% buyers premium, VAT on the premium (but not the hammer) 4% Artist Resale Right and 1% admin on an online sale.
Add 35% to hammer is a good rule of thumb. Itโs a sliding scale but 35% on this level of hammer gets you 25% buyers premium, VAT on the premium (but not the hammer) 4% Artist Resale Right and 1% admin on an online sale.
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apprint
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by apprint on Sept 17, 2021 18:56:30 GMT 1, Add 35% to hammer is a good rule of thumb. Itโs a sliding scale but 35% on this level of hammer gets you 25% buyers premium, VAT on the premium (but not the hammer) 4% Artist Resale Right and 1% admin on an online sale.
You need to add 40% total of the hammer
Add 35% to hammer is a good rule of thumb. Itโs a sliding scale but 35% on this level of hammer gets you 25% buyers premium, VAT on the premium (but not the hammer) 4% Artist Resale Right and 1% admin on an online sale. You need to add 40% total of the hammer |
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Sundowner
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Sundowner on Sept 17, 2021 19:55:47 GMT 1, A mixed bag - decent results for the signed Girl With Balloon and Morons. Poor results for Choose Your Weapon, grey (why the seller agreed to the ridiculously low estimate I don't know), Love Rat, Kate (nearly 100k lower than Sotheby's earlier this year), Laugh Now. And average for most of the others. Says QJQ had some condition issues. Dunno how bad?
No condition issues - I inspected it out of the frame. Same for the pink one.
A mixed bag - decent results for the signed Girl With Balloon and Morons. Poor results for Choose Your Weapon, grey (why the seller agreed to the ridiculously low estimate I don't know), Love Rat, Kate (nearly 100k lower than Sotheby's earlier this year), Laugh Now. And average for most of the others. Says QJQ had some condition issues. Dunno how bad? No condition issues - I inspected it out of the frame. Same for the pink one. |
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Sundowner
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Sundowner on Sept 17, 2021 19:56:58 GMT 1, absolutely stoked on those results morons sepia for 140k (including fees) 
How did you reach that? Result all in was about ยฃ120k
absolutely stoked on those results morons sepia for 140k (including fees) How did you reach that? Result all in was about ยฃ120k |
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Fะฏ
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Fะฏ on Sept 17, 2021 20:00:29 GMT 1, Says QJQ had some condition issues. Dunno how bad? No condition issues - I inspected it out of the frame. Same for the pink one.
โThe full sheet, in good condition, some very faint soiling mainly on upper sheet edge, framed.โ
thing is buyers will be reading that and basing their bids.
So therefore it has condition issues.
Says QJQ had some condition issues. Dunno how bad? No condition issues - I inspected it out of the frame. Same for the pink one. โThe full sheet, in good condition, some very faint soiling mainly on upper sheet edge, framed.โ thing is buyers will be reading that and basing their bids. So therefore it has condition issues. |
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E9Boy
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by E9Boy on Sept 17, 2021 20:31:26 GMT 1, are the final prices on the website with or without the fees? They include BP, but not ARR or VAT on BP. Sometimes members post the final numbers but the buyer will be paying more than the sold price. Solid results there all the way round, not surprising really. The artist of our time. Signed Laugh Now was low due to it being a gift dedicated print to "Brendan", who would want that print other than Brendan. The unsigned Girl With Balloon was not in good shape and horribly framed and still fetched ยฃ130k. Trolleys ยฃ70k is great as is ยฃ120k for a Choose Your Weapon QJ.
LOzl not too many Brendans around !
are the final prices on the website with or without the fees? They include BP, but not ARR or VAT on BP. Sometimes members post the final numbers but the buyer will be paying more than the sold price. Solid results there all the way round, not surprising really. The artist of our time. Signed Laugh Now was low due to it being a gift dedicated print to "Brendan", who would want that print other than Brendan. The unsigned Girl With Balloon was not in good shape and horribly framed and still fetched ยฃ130k. Trolleys ยฃ70k is great as is ยฃ120k for a Choose Your Weapon QJ. LOzl not too many Brendans around ! |
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samo
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by samo on Sept 17, 2021 21:23:22 GMT 1, absolutely stoked on those results morons sepia for 140k (including fees) How did you reach that? Result all in was about ยฃ120k
ยฃ120k equals to โฌ140K with the current exchange rate.
absolutely stoked on those results morons sepia for 140k (including fees) How did you reach that? Result all in was about ยฃ120k I think TheItalianOne means 140k Euro. ยฃ120k equals to โฌ140K with the current exchange rate. |
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Hubble Bubble
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Hubble Bubble on Sept 17, 2021 23:30:23 GMT 1, Add 35% to hammer is a good rule of thumb. Itโs a sliding scale but 35% on this level of hammer gets you 25% buyers premium, VAT on the premium (but not the hammer) 4% Artist Resale Right and 1% admin on an online sale.
Add 35% to hammer is a good rule of thumb. Itโs a sliding scale but 35% on this level of hammer gets you 25% buyers premium, VAT on the premium (but not the hammer) 4% Artist Resale Right and 1% admin on an online sale. You need to add 40% total of the hammer
Interesting. Iโve always worked to the metric above and all the pieces Iโve bought at Sothebyโs, Christieโs and Bonhamโs all use these multiples. What percentages comprise your 40% ?
Add 35% to hammer is a good rule of thumb. Itโs a sliding scale but 35% on this level of hammer gets you 25% buyers premium, VAT on the premium (but not the hammer) 4% Artist Resale Right and 1% admin on an online sale. Add 35% to hammer is a good rule of thumb. Itโs a sliding scale but 35% on this level of hammer gets you 25% buyers premium, VAT on the premium (but not the hammer) 4% Artist Resale Right and 1% admin on an online sale. You need to add 40% total of the hammer Interesting. Iโve always worked to the metric above and all the pieces Iโve bought at Sothebyโs, Christieโs and Bonhamโs all use these multiples. What percentages comprise your 40% ? |
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jarw
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by jarw on Sept 18, 2021 5:37:11 GMT 1, Final prices show buyerโs premium? Wasnโt aware of that. Pretty strong auction results I believe. Market down a little from highs but probably all new highs in 2023 to come anyway.
Final prices show buyerโs premium? Wasnโt aware of that. Pretty strong auction results I believe. Market down a little from highs but probably all new highs in 2023 to come anyway.
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brookvale
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by brookvale on Sept 18, 2021 11:57:19 GMT 1, What happens if you were to make the winning bid but then discovered you could make the payment? Hasnโt happened me, but just wondering ?
What happens if you were to make the winning bid but then discovered you could make the payment? Hasnโt happened me, but just wondering ?
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kfroms
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by kfroms on Sept 18, 2021 14:33:43 GMT 1, What happens if you were to make the winning bid but then discovered you could make the payment? Hasnโt happened me, but just wondering ?
In theory they can come after you for breach of contract and force you to pay BUT non- paying winning bidders are quite common and other than blacklisting you not a lot will happen.
Good read:
www.theartnewspaper.com/news/hammer-horror-as-bidders-won-t-pay-up
What happens if you were to make the winning bid but then discovered you could make the payment? Hasnโt happened me, but just wondering ? In theory they can come after you for breach of contract and force you to pay BUT non- paying winning bidders are quite common and other than blacklisting you not a lot will happen. Good read: www.theartnewspaper.com/news/hammer-horror-as-bidders-won-t-pay-up |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 16:34:15 GMT 1, What happens if you were to make the winning bid but then discovered you could make the payment? Hasnโt happened me, but just wondering ? In theory they can come after you for breach of contract and force you to pay BUT not paying winning bidders are quite common and other than blacklisting you not a lot will happen. Good read: www.theartnewspaper.com/news/hammer-horror-as-bidders-won-t-pay-up
That's fascinating. 41% of Chinese auctions resulting in non-payment? Wow.
What happens if you were to make the winning bid but then discovered you could make the payment? Hasnโt happened me, but just wondering ? In theory they can come after you for breach of contract and force you to pay BUT not paying winning bidders are quite common and other than blacklisting you not a lot will happen. Good read: www.theartnewspaper.com/news/hammer-horror-as-bidders-won-t-pay-upThat's fascinating. 41% of Chinese auctions resulting in non-payment? Wow. |
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kfroms
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by kfroms on Sept 18, 2021 17:35:43 GMT 1, That's fascinating. 41% of Chinese auctions resulting in non-payment? Wow.
Yes. Which is why you really need to take all those high results from Asia with a big pinch of salt.
That's fascinating. 41% of Chinese auctions resulting in non-payment? Wow. Yes. Which is why you really need to take all those high results from Asia with a big pinch of salt. |
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LJCal
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on Sept 19, 2021 12:32:12 GMT 1, That's fascinating. 41% of Chinese auctions resulting in non-payment? Wow. Yes. Which is why you really need to take all those high results from Asia with a big pinch of salt.
Itโs nothing like that in the UK, itโs happened to me about 3 times on 200-300 lots Iโve sold.
That's fascinating. 41% of Chinese auctions resulting in non-payment? Wow. Yes. Which is why you really need to take all those high results from Asia with a big pinch of salt. Itโs nothing like that in the UK, itโs happened to me about 3 times on 200-300 lots Iโve sold. |
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