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Wanchope
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Wanchope on May 20, 2024 16:14:55 GMT 1, I thought Christieโs were the first to announce 20% buyers fees a few weeks back so yes hopefully all will follow suit. Itโs a ridiculous concept that auction houses have gotten away with for too long now. How they charge the buyer and the seller is just wrong. Anything to bring these charges down is hugely welcomed!!
I thought Christieโs were the first to announce 20% buyers fees a few weeks back so yes hopefully all will follow suit. Itโs a ridiculous concept that auction houses have gotten away with for too long now. How they charge the buyer and the seller is just wrong. Anything to bring these charges down is hugely welcomed!!
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LJCal
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on May 20, 2024 18:21:15 GMT 1, They give with one hand take with another. Look at the new policy on sellers fees, they basically make the same greedy margin. They're a bunch of greedy c*nts to be honest.
They give with one hand take with another. Look at the new policy on sellers fees, they basically make the same greedy margin. They're a bunch of greedy c*nts to be honest.
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ca
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by ca on May 20, 2024 18:32:37 GMT 1, 10% selling fee aint bad, no?
10% selling fee aint bad, no?
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Wanchope
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Wanchope on May 20, 2024 18:41:39 GMT 1, They give with one hand take with another. Look at the new policy on sellers fees, they basically make the same greedy margin. They're a bunch of greedy c*nts to be honest. As anlways itโs all in the way they spin it. As you say now the sellers get hurt even more, go figure! Iโm sure I saw an article saying their poll shows that 90% of buyers prefer it. Wow that is an amazing reaction ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐ค maybe they need to do a poll from the sellers because it wonโt be 90% positive!!!
They give with one hand take with another. Look at the new policy on sellers fees, they basically make the same greedy margin. They're a bunch of greedy c*nts to be honest. As anlways itโs all in the way they spin it. As you say now the sellers get hurt even more, go figure! Iโm sure I saw an article saying their poll shows that 90% of buyers prefer it. Wow that is an amazing reaction ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐ค maybe they need to do a poll from the sellers because it wonโt be 90% positive!!!
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Poster Bob
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on May 20, 2024 22:30:12 GMT 1, Letโs always drastically underestimate values in order to โelicit bidsโ and then claim we โsmashed estimates.โ Itโs all a charade, and now theyโre calling it a success fee. I wish I could set my targets so ludicrously low to make myself seem more successful.
Letโs always drastically underestimate values in order to โelicit bidsโ and then claim we โsmashed estimates.โ Itโs all a charade, and now theyโre calling it a success fee. I wish I could set my targets so ludicrously low to make myself seem more successful.
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LJCal
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on May 20, 2024 23:57:05 GMT 1, 10% selling fee aint bad, no? Outrageous, I pay between 0-5%. Usually zero if it's over ยฃ10k. Even get some of the buyers premium from some places if it's a really decent lot with competitive estimate.
10% selling fee aint bad, no? Outrageous, I pay between 0-5%. Usually zero if it's over ยฃ10k. Even get some of the buyers premium from some places if it's a really decent lot with competitive estimate.
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LJCal
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on May 21, 2024 0:01:44 GMT 1, They give with one hand take with another. Look at the new policy on sellers fees, they basically make the same greedy margin. They're a bunch of greedy c*nts to be honest. As anlways itโs all in the way they spin it. As you say now the sellers get hurt even more, go figure! Iโm sure I saw an article saying their poll shows that 90% of buyers prefer it. Wow that is an amazing reaction ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐ค maybe they need to do a poll from the sellers because it wonโt be 90% positive!!! Unless you're selling pieces for millions it's an absolute joke. Property agents/auctioneers charge 1-2% of value, deals take far longer and are often far more complex, yet they have large profitable and viable businesses. I know from working in the business and watching fees go from 4-5% to 1% in 20 years that business can adapt and still thrive.
None of the large auction houses have modernised, they run flabby businesses, have huge overheads and greedy ownership. I really can't wait for someone to come along an eat their lunch. It will happen in next 10-20 years.
They give with one hand take with another. Look at the new policy on sellers fees, they basically make the same greedy margin. They're a bunch of greedy c*nts to be honest. As anlways itโs all in the way they spin it. As you say now the sellers get hurt even more, go figure! Iโm sure I saw an article saying their poll shows that 90% of buyers prefer it. Wow that is an amazing reaction ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐ค maybe they need to do a poll from the sellers because it wonโt be 90% positive!!! Unless you're selling pieces for millions it's an absolute joke. Property agents/auctioneers charge 1-2% of value, deals take far longer and are often far more complex, yet they have large profitable and viable businesses. I know from working in the business and watching fees go from 4-5% to 1% in 20 years that business can adapt and still thrive. None of the large auction houses have modernised, they run flabby businesses, have huge overheads and greedy ownership. I really can't wait for someone to come along an eat their lunch. It will happen in next 10-20 years.
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Wanchope
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Wanchope on May 21, 2024 7:04:32 GMT 1, Couldnโt agree more! This has to change and it will change!
Couldnโt agree more! This has to change and it will change!
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by The Italian One on Sept 26, 2024 13:27:51 GMT 1, so many unsold Banksy at today auction
it is definitely a buyer market
so many unsold Banksy at today auction
it is definitely a buyer market
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by High Contrast on Sept 26, 2024 20:31:40 GMT 1, so many unsold Banksy at today auction it is definitely a buyer market Not sure what is a good price anymore.
Surprised LIITA didnโt sell.. ยฃ250k 3 years ago and now no buyers at ยฃ25k!
so many unsold Banksy at today auction it is definitely a buyer market Not sure what is a good price anymore. Surprised LIITA didnโt sell.. ยฃ250k 3 years ago and now no buyers at ยฃ25k!
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by concrete jungle on Sept 26, 2024 21:55:29 GMT 1, Iโm in London at the minute and took a run into Sothebys this morning. Some of the prints were not in the best shape - noticeable finger prints and edge dings. Also a couple of double numbers. Suspect that might put a few off - Iโd want mint in todayโs market, and based on pricing would hold out for the right one to come up. Mixed results likely to be the way forward for a while I thinkโฆโฆ
Iโm in London at the minute and took a run into Sothebys this morning. Some of the prints were not in the best shape - noticeable finger prints and edge dings. Also a couple of double numbers. Suspect that might put a few off - Iโd want mint in todayโs market, and based on pricing would hold out for the right one to come up. Mixed results likely to be the way forward for a while I thinkโฆโฆ
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Patrick 01
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Patrick 01 on Sept 26, 2024 22:39:42 GMT 1, Iโm in London at the minute and took a run into Sothebys this morning. Some of the prints were not in the best shape - noticeable finger prints and edge dings. Also a couple of double numbers. Suspect that might put a few off - Iโd want mint in todayโs market, and based on pricing would hold out for the right one to come up. Mixed results likely to be the way forward for a while I thinkโฆโฆ Having read most of the condition reports it sounded like a shit show! A load of โdamagedโ prints priced/valued aggressively right in the middle of a paranoid market!
Iโm in London at the minute and took a run into Sothebys this morning. Some of the prints were not in the best shape - noticeable finger prints and edge dings. Also a couple of double numbers. Suspect that might put a few off - Iโd want mint in todayโs market, and based on pricing would hold out for the right one to come up. Mixed results likely to be the way forward for a while I thinkโฆโฆ Having read most of the condition reports it sounded like a shit show! A load of โdamagedโ prints priced/valued aggressively right in the middle of a paranoid market!
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Arty Garfunkle on Sept 26, 2024 23:03:11 GMT 1, They are going BUST
They are going BUST
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LJCal
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on Sept 27, 2024 0:20:03 GMT 1, Was a shit auction. same old lots as always, most estimates were too high, condition on many was shocking, a few lots outperformed the market but the rest either passed or sold below what the seller would have netted from a private sale. It's a really lazy model, and one they need to really rethink, right now I wouldn't consign anything Banksy related to Sothebys especially with the new fee regime and in this market, it's embarrassing.
Was a shit auction. same old lots as always, most estimates were too high, condition on many was shocking, a few lots outperformed the market but the rest either passed or sold below what the seller would have netted from a private sale. It's a really lazy model, and one they need to really rethink, right now I wouldn't consign anything Banksy related to Sothebys especially with the new fee regime and in this market, it's embarrassing.
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LJCal
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on Sept 27, 2024 0:21:10 GMT 1, so many unsold Banksy at today auction it is definitely a buyer market Not sure what is a good price anymore. Surprised LIITA didnโt sell.. ยฃ250k 3 years ago and now no buyers at ยฃ25k! Me too, especially given Pulp Fiction sold for ยฃ36k all in, when did Pulp Fiction become worth more than LIITA?
so many unsold Banksy at today auction it is definitely a buyer market Not sure what is a good price anymore. Surprised LIITA didnโt sell.. ยฃ250k 3 years ago and now no buyers at ยฃ25k! Me too, especially given Pulp Fiction sold for ยฃ36k all in, when did Pulp Fiction become worth more than LIITA?
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cools
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by cools on Sept 27, 2024 2:46:47 GMT 1, I received the condition report for the CWSB (as still looking for one), and it was in much worse condition than the one that sold at Forum in April. The forum piece went for 30k GBP and this one went for 48k GBP! Was shocked someone paid that for it, considering the sale earlier this year. Thought for sure that lot was going to get passed.
I received the condition report for the CWSB (as still looking for one), and it was in much worse condition than the one that sold at Forum in April. The forum piece went for 30k GBP and this one went for 48k GBP! Was shocked someone paid that for it, considering the sale earlier this year. Thought for sure that lot was going to get passed.
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LJCal
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on Sept 27, 2024 2:47:45 GMT 1, I received the condition report for the CWSB (as still looking for one), and it was in much worse condition than the one that sold at Forum in April. The forum piece went for 30k GBP and this one went for 48k GBP! Was shocked someone paid that for it, considering the sale earlier this year. Thought for sure that lot was going to get passed. Yeah likewise, Some weird results.
I received the condition report for the CWSB (as still looking for one), and it was in much worse condition than the one that sold at Forum in April. The forum piece went for 30k GBP and this one went for 48k GBP! Was shocked someone paid that for it, considering the sale earlier this year. Thought for sure that lot was going to get passed. Yeah likewise, Some weird results.
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flingading
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by flingading on Oct 4, 2024 12:05:23 GMT 1, Can anyone shed any light on how long it may take for a COA to be forwarded from Pest Control via an auction house after purchasing a piece. The blurb on the website says 'authenticated by Pest Control' but also that timescales are at the mercy of Pest Control.
Does that mean new owners could still be waiting years for the COA? Or is it a quicker process once authentication has taken place?
Grateful for any advice.
Cheers
Can anyone shed any light on how long it may take for a COA to be forwarded from Pest Control via an auction house after purchasing a piece. The blurb on the website says 'authenticated by Pest Control' but also that timescales are at the mercy of Pest Control.
Does that mean new owners could still be waiting years for the COA? Or is it a quicker process once authentication has taken place?
Grateful for any advice.
Cheers
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flingading
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by flingading on Oct 5, 2024 11:56:44 GMT 1, Can anyone shed any light on how long it may take for a COA to be forwarded from Pest Control via an auction house after purchasing a piece. The blurb on the website says 'authenticated by Pest Control' but also that timescales are at the mercy of Pest Control. Does that mean new owners could still be waiting years for the COA? Or is it a quicker process once authentication has taken place? Grateful for any advice. Cheers Bump!
Can anyone shed any light on how long it may take for a COA to be forwarded from Pest Control via an auction house after purchasing a piece. The blurb on the website says 'authenticated by Pest Control' but also that timescales are at the mercy of Pest Control. Does that mean new owners could still be waiting years for the COA? Or is it a quicker process once authentication has taken place? Grateful for any advice. Cheers Bump!
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goose
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by goose on Oct 9, 2024 20:05:49 GMT 1, Wow - way over estimate.
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mandem
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by mandem on Oct 9, 2024 20:23:18 GMT 1, Not sure what happened to the 'Homeless de Milo' piece that was in the showroom yesterday.
Not sure what happened to the 'Homeless de Milo' piece that was in the showroom yesterday.
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kfroms
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by kfroms on Oct 9, 2024 20:50:57 GMT 1, Good result but I hope you are aware that the estimate was pure cosmetics? Overall a muted auction, same as at Christieโs.
Good result but I hope you are aware that the estimate was pure cosmetics? Overall a muted auction, same as at Christieโs.
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kfroms
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by kfroms on Oct 9, 2024 20:53:03 GMT 1, The โHomelessโ one is in tomorrowโs day auction.
The โHomelessโ one is in tomorrowโs day auction.
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mandem
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by mandem on Oct 9, 2024 20:58:05 GMT 1, Good result but I hope you are aware that the estimate was pure cosmetics? Overall a muted auction, same as at Christieโs. The Banksy was the only one that went way over estimate, I think (missed the first few lots)
Good result but I hope you are aware that the estimate was pure cosmetics? Overall a muted auction, same as at Christieโs. The Banksy was the only one that went way over estimate, I think (missed the first few lots)
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loui
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by loui on Oct 9, 2024 22:19:06 GMT 1, Some people have far too much money ๐
Some people have far too much money ๐
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