Michael Jacob
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Michael Jacob on Oct 2, 2008 14:57:24 GMT 1, I want to bid on the Oyster Stew by Warhol. Its one of the few my wife would allow in our dinning room!
any idea is the Bacons sold.
ยฎat, thanks for the postings.
I want to bid on the Oyster Stew by Warhol. Its one of the few my wife would allow in our dinning room!
any idea is the Bacons sold.
ยฎat, thanks for the postings.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by manchestermike on Oct 2, 2008 14:59:04 GMT 1, 180 FRANCIS BACON
20,000
181 FRANCIS BACON
31,250
182 FRANCIS BACON
5,625
183 FRANCIS BACON
10,000
184 FRANCIS BACON
27,500
180 FRANCIS BACON
20,000
181 FRANCIS BACON
31,250
182 FRANCIS BACON
5,625
183 FRANCIS BACON
10,000
184 FRANCIS BACON
27,500
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frank11
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by frank11 on Oct 2, 2008 15:05:10 GMT 1, Cheers Rat and Mike,
I thought Grin was cheap
Cheers Rat and Mike,
I thought Grin was cheap
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by manchestermike on Oct 2, 2008 15:10:22 GMT 1, Morons - ยฃ6000 Love Rat - ยฃ5250 Pulp - ยฃ7750 Pretty accurate prices to be fair. All with buyers prem.
Agreed, a whole chunk didn't go though inc:
Kate
Grannies
Wrong War Placard
Grin Reaper
Soup Can (Colourway)
Queen Vic
Bethlehem Trolleys
Gold Flag
Neate prints too
Morons - ยฃ6000 Love Rat - ยฃ5250 Pulp - ยฃ7750 Pretty accurate prices to be fair. All with buyers prem. Agreed, a whole chunk didn't go though inc: Kate Grannies Wrong War Placard Grin Reaper Soup Can (Colourway) Queen Vic Bethlehem Trolleys Gold Flag Neate prints too |
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oneeye
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by oneeye on Oct 2, 2008 15:12:03 GMT 1, Yikes on that Kate. Was it damaged or something? What about the Queen Vic? Unless your name is Johnny that would kinda throw me. And that Pax set?
Yikes on that Kate. Was it damaged or something? What about the Queen Vic? Unless your name is Johnny that would kinda throw me. And that Pax set?
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by manchestermike on Oct 2, 2008 15:12:47 GMT 1, Yikes on that Kate. Was it damaged or something? What about the Queen Vic? Unless your name is Johnny that would kinda throw me. And that Pax set?
The Kate was mint, I was speaking with the seller yesterday
Yikes on that Kate. Was it damaged or something? What about the Queen Vic? Unless your name is Johnny that would kinda throw me. And that Pax set? The Kate was mint, I was speaking with the seller yesterday |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by worlddomination on Oct 2, 2008 15:23:53 GMT 1, I think it's not that well publicised for people looking to buy urban art, think the dreweatts and bonhams sales will be the focus of the majority of the public.
I think it's not that well publicised for people looking to buy urban art, think the dreweatts and bonhams sales will be the focus of the majority of the public.
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urbanangel
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by urbanangel on Oct 2, 2008 15:28:41 GMT 1, What did the Neates get to?
What did the Neates get to?
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Oct 2, 2008 15:28:45 GMT 1, I think it's not that well publicised for people looking to buy urban art, think the dreweatts and bonhams sales will be the focus of the majority of the public.
Lets hope so.
I think it's not that well publicised for people looking to buy urban art, think the dreweatts and bonhams sales will be the focus of the majority of the public. Lets hope so. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by manchestermike on Oct 2, 2008 15:31:58 GMT 1, What did the Neates get to?
Not sure mate, the live feed wasn't working
What did the Neates get to? Not sure mate, the live feed wasn't working |
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mishco
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by mishco on Oct 2, 2008 15:32:43 GMT 1, anyone know what the high bid on the neate set f 9 prints was?
anyone know what the high bid on the neate set f 9 prints was?
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stjohn
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:27:51 GMT 1, For the 136 lots in the second half of the sale, only 82 sold, which is 60%. Think that is a bit of cooling off in relation to contemporary art generally...
For the 136 lots in the second half of the sale, only 82 sold, which is 60%. Think that is a bit of cooling off in relation to contemporary art generally...
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by alsbabar on Oct 2, 2008 16:29:30 GMT 1, 35% is the usual unsold items percentage for auctions, i would be more worried if only 35% sold
35% is the usual unsold items percentage for auctions, i would be more worried if only 35% sold
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stjohn
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:32:12 GMT 1, Is it really that - 35%? Just seemed like a lot more did'nt go. The first Bonhams Urban Art auction did v well then as I recall.
Is it really that - 35%? Just seemed like a lot more did'nt go. The first Bonhams Urban Art auction did v well then as I recall.
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Pattycakes
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pattycakes on Oct 2, 2008 16:32:29 GMT 1, Frankly it's time to face facts: the bubble is bursting, if you look at the results of the sale, the material the sold was the established blue chip that has survived previous crashes, i.e. Old Masters, Picasso, Miro Chagall, Matisse etc. The postwar material was hit terribly, Warhol sold very poorly compaired to previous sales. This is all starting to look like th 89 crash. Am afraid to say that I only see prices going down even further, my advice, cut your losses, sell at a sensible profit now, before that goes too!
Frankly it's time to face facts: the bubble is bursting, if you look at the results of the sale, the material the sold was the established blue chip that has survived previous crashes, i.e. Old Masters, Picasso, Miro Chagall, Matisse etc. The postwar material was hit terribly, Warhol sold very poorly compaired to previous sales. This is all starting to look like th 89 crash. Am afraid to say that I only see prices going down even further, my advice, cut your losses, sell at a sensible profit now, before that goes too!
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by arcam on Oct 2, 2008 16:36:10 GMT 1, If you ask me Art is looking a better investment with each passing day.
If you ask me Art is looking a better investment with each passing day.
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Pattycakes
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pattycakes on Oct 2, 2008 16:36:23 GMT 1, Sotheby's usually has a 90% sell thorugh rate in their print sales, they will not be happy with this result at all. A good indicator of the market is the prices the Munchs made, they have been by far the most expensive prints for the past 4 /5 years, keenly fought over by a group of Nowegians and Americans. The prices for those that sold were very flat - and these are top of the market items.
Sotheby's usually has a 90% sell thorugh rate in their print sales, they will not be happy with this result at all. A good indicator of the market is the prices the Munchs made, they have been by far the most expensive prints for the past 4 /5 years, keenly fought over by a group of Nowegians and Americans. The prices for those that sold were very flat - and these are top of the market items.
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stjohn
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:37:40 GMT 1, Bonhams in Feb was 96% sold!! What will happen on 23rd though? I predict 70%.
Bonhams in Feb was 96% sold!! What will happen on 23rd though? I predict 70%.
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Pattycakes
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pattycakes on Oct 2, 2008 16:40:20 GMT 1, 70%, I think is optimistic, I think it'll be worse, I am afraid that the buyers for Banksy are in the majority those who are being hit the hardest in the recession (or credit crunch - for those who don't like the R word)
70%, I think is optimistic, I think it'll be worse, I am afraid that the buyers for Banksy are in the majority those who are being hit the hardest in the recession (or credit crunch - for those who don't like the R word)
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by alsbabar on Oct 2, 2008 16:44:07 GMT 1, i believe that mixing urban with contemporary is hit and miss - as the crowd is also hit and mix - urban art auctions do well as it appeals to a certain person. I think the bottom line is, Banksy doesnt have the contemporary pull yet.
I would agree with arcam - art is looking better each day
i believe that mixing urban with contemporary is hit and miss - as the crowd is also hit and mix - urban art auctions do well as it appeals to a certain person. I think the bottom line is, Banksy doesnt have the contemporary pull yet.
I would agree with arcam - art is looking better each day
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Pattycakes
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pattycakes on Oct 2, 2008 16:46:08 GMT 1, I agree, art certainly is a good investment at the moment, but not Urban, I've put most of my money in to post war Modern British, and European master prints a far, far safer market.
I agree, art certainly is a good investment at the moment, but not Urban, I've put most of my money in to post war Modern British, and European master prints a far, far safer market.
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stjohn
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:47:46 GMT 1, Safe = potentially less return though. But, it depends on your exposure though I guess.
Safe = potentially less return though. But, it depends on your exposure though I guess.
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Pattycakes
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pattycakes on Oct 2, 2008 16:48:48 GMT 1, ahh not necessarily, it helps if you're able to find sleepers!
ahh not necessarily, it helps if you're able to find sleepers!
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stjohn
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 16:51:01 GMT 1, Minus the sleepers you have up your sleeve and would obviously keep secret, do you mind disclosing what sort of stuff is in your post war Modern British, and European master prints collection?
Minus the sleepers you have up your sleeve and would obviously keep secret, do you mind disclosing what sort of stuff is in your post war Modern British, and European master prints collection?
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Pattycakes
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pattycakes on Oct 2, 2008 16:57:12 GMT 1, a mixed bag, amongst other things I suppose the standout things are couple of Picasso etchings, a few Miro etchings, a Ben Nicholson, a few Richard Hamiltons, 2 Grosvenor School linocuts (though sadly I can't afford these any longer) an auerbach drawing from the 50's, stuff like that. I do collect contemporary but it's much more selective now, Dzama is about the newest artist I own anything by any more.
a mixed bag, amongst other things I suppose the standout things are couple of Picasso etchings, a few Miro etchings, a Ben Nicholson, a few Richard Hamiltons, 2 Grosvenor School linocuts (though sadly I can't afford these any longer) an auerbach drawing from the 50's, stuff like that. I do collect contemporary but it's much more selective now, Dzama is about the newest artist I own anything by any more.
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pfffffffffft
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by pfffffffffft on Oct 2, 2008 16:57:54 GMT 1, For clarification it's been around a 10 to 20% unsold rate before the economy went surly. Over the past few auctions across multiple houses it's looking like the unsold rate has doubled to around 35%.
It appears the economic issues likely caused the unsold rate to average around this new number of 35%, however unless something else significant happens in the markets, expect to see this number stay around here until the economy starts getting better.
For clarification it's been around a 10 to 20% unsold rate before the economy went surly. Over the past few auctions across multiple houses it's looking like the unsold rate has doubled to around 35%.
It appears the economic issues likely caused the unsold rate to average around this new number of 35%, however unless something else significant happens in the markets, expect to see this number stay around here until the economy starts getting better.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by snausages on Oct 2, 2008 17:10:53 GMT 1, 35% is the average? Is that opinion or is someone talking out their arse 
I think 35% is a lot higher than average based on my experience. And if the unsold average at one of the top two auction houses in the world is at 40% in this climate I wonder what the average might be at a sub par auction house with sub par lots?
Anyway, if you socked away some money looks like you might be able to get some good buys now that the good times are over. Just don't expect a return to runaway prices for years imo.
35% is the average? Is that opinion or is someone talking out their arse I think 35% is a lot higher than average based on my experience. And if the unsold average at one of the top two auction houses in the world is at 40% in this climate I wonder what the average might be at a sub par auction house with sub par lots? Anyway, if you socked away some money looks like you might be able to get some good buys now that the good times are over. Just don't expect a return to runaway prices for years imo. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by alsbabar on Oct 2, 2008 17:16:56 GMT 1, you are so predictable snausages, you bought the bait you dumbf**k
no one cares for your opinion - now shoooooo, jog on
off to the Dface show now - see some of you lovely people there, snausages if you are there - make sure you wear your Geek badge, so we can all point at you and laugh
you are so predictable snausages, you bought the bait you dumbf**k
no one cares for your opinion - now shoooooo, jog on
off to the Dface show now - see some of you lovely people there, snausages if you are there - make sure you wear your Geek badge, so we can all point at you and laugh
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Winter
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Winter on Oct 2, 2008 17:44:18 GMT 1, A good art buying tip is to go for works by people nearing the end of their life. Cruel I know but then so is life.
A good art buying tip is to go for works by people nearing the end of their life. Cruel I know but then so is life.
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stjohn
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by stjohn on Oct 2, 2008 17:44:46 GMT 1, a mixed bag, amongst other things I suppose the standout things are couple of Picasso etchings, a few Miro etchings, a Ben Nicholson, a few Richard Hamiltons, 2 Grosvenor School linocuts (though sadly I can't afford these any longer) an auerbach drawing from the 50's, stuff like that. I do collect contemporary but it's much more selective now, Dzama is about the newest artist I own anything by any more.
Sounds good. I like Frank's work. Dzama looks interesting too: been keeping an eye out! Don't know Nicholson or Hamilton..
a mixed bag, amongst other things I suppose the standout things are couple of Picasso etchings, a few Miro etchings, a Ben Nicholson, a few Richard Hamiltons, 2 Grosvenor School linocuts (though sadly I can't afford these any longer) an auerbach drawing from the 50's, stuff like that. I do collect contemporary but it's much more selective now, Dzama is about the newest artist I own anything by any more. Sounds good. I like Frank's work. Dzama looks interesting too: been keeping an eye out! Don't know Nicholson or Hamilton.. |
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