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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by lee3 on Mar 15, 2016 18:32:42 GMT 1, Anyone know if that angel head passed or was withdrawn as I didn't watch the sale? I see the whole sale only did ~$4mm which is tiny but I'm surprised that didn't sell if it indeed did come under the hammer.
Anyone know if that angel head passed or was withdrawn as I didn't watch the sale? I see the whole sale only did ~$4mm which is tiny but I'm surprised that didn't sell if it indeed did come under the hammer.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by vernaxley on Mar 16, 2016 15:01:46 GMT 1, Really ? May i ask which gallery please ? the one that some people don't want others to know they sell through, namely black rat
Mike Snelle at Black Rat was approached by Banksy after he parted ways with Steve Lazarides. Mike sold works for Banksy on the quiet for quite a while. Snelle is now one half of the Connor Brothers. I believe it's the rear half but don't quote me on that.
Really ? May i ask which gallery please ? the one that some people don't want others to know they sell through, namely black rat Mike Snelle at Black Rat was approached by Banksy after he parted ways with Steve Lazarides. Mike sold works for Banksy on the quiet for quite a while. Snelle is now one half of the Connor Brothers. I believe it's the rear half but don't quote me on that. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by kfroms on Mar 16, 2016 18:05:11 GMT 1, Anyone know if that angel head passed or was withdrawn as I didn't watch the sale? I see the whole sale only did ~$4mm which is tiny but I'm surprised that didn't sell if it indeed did come under the hammer.
It didn't sell.
Anyone know if that angel head passed or was withdrawn as I didn't watch the sale? I see the whole sale only did ~$4mm which is tiny but I'm surprised that didn't sell if it indeed did come under the hammer. Withdrawn lots are either marked as such or not shown in the results. It didn't sell. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Happy Shopper on Mar 16, 2016 19:07:27 GMT 1, Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat?
Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years.
... or was all this before the set up of POW?
Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!? 
Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat? Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years. ... or was all this before the set up of POW? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!? |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by onetwothree on Mar 16, 2016 19:12:37 GMT 1, Did it fail to sell becuase small for that price?
Did it fail to sell becuase small for that price?
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 19:26:46 GMT 1, Mine doesn't show how big the "edition" was, just "CP/01" ;-)
Shoot Again What does the COA for your canvas state on the 'Edition' line, i.e. does it say 'From A Series', 'Unique In This Format', or a number?
Mine doesn't show how big the "edition" was, just "CP/01" ;-) What does the COA for your canvas state on the 'Edition' line, i.e. does it say 'From A Series', 'Unique In This Format', or a number? |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Happy Shopper on Mar 16, 2016 19:29:08 GMT 1, Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat? Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years. ... or was all this before the set up of POW? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!? Post POW and like anyone at POW knew trying to decipher yours and Verns comments - all that keeps popping in to my head is a rear stick?!?
What do those sentences all mean?
I'm sure it's clear in your head, because you're so "in the the know", but honestly, it's like riddles.
Pest Control sell through Black Rat? Why would they do that? Maybe they do... but seems pointless.
Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat? Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years. ... or was all this before the set up of POW? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!? Post POW and like anyone at POW knew trying to decipher yours and Verns comments - all that keeps popping in to my head is a rear stick?!? What do those sentences all mean? I'm sure it's clear in your head, because you're so "in the the know", but honestly, it's like riddles. Pest Control sell through Black Rat? Why would they do that? Maybe they do... but seems pointless. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 20:29:30 GMT 1, Did it fail to sell becuase small for that price?
Did it fail to sell becuase small for that price? I love this post. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Shoot Again on Mar 17, 2016 10:21:21 GMT 1, Mine doesn't show how big the "edition" was, just "CP/01" ;-) What does the COA for your canvas state on the 'Edition' line, i.e. does it say 'From A Series', 'Unique In This Format', or a number?
Mine doesn't show how big the "edition" was, just "CP/01" ;-) What does the COA for your canvas state on the 'Edition' line, i.e. does it say 'From A Series', 'Unique In This Format', or a number? "From a varied serie" |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 17, 2016 11:31:56 GMT 1, Did it fail to sell becuase small for that price?
It could be that the price set was too high for buyers for this piece.
Or that it is based on a religious image and rich buyers are looking for the more typical Banksy style like rats or balloons or hoody figures etc to display next to their warhols and stuff.
People with money invest at auction but they can also be fussy about the image.
Did it fail to sell becuase small for that price? There are many reasons an artwork fails to sell at auction. It could be that the price set was too high for buyers for this piece. Or that it is based on a religious image and rich buyers are looking for the more typical Banksy style like rats or balloons or hoody figures etc to display next to their warhols and stuff. People with money invest at auction but they can also be fussy about the image. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2016 6:32:02 GMT 1, Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat? Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years. ... or was all this before the set up of POW? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!? I was under the impression that Hangup and Newart galleries currently receive primary works from POW (as well as deal in secondary works) that are sold at current market prices.
Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat? Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years. ... or was all this before the set up of POW? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!? I was under the impression that Hangup and Newart galleries currently receive primary works from POW (as well as deal in secondary works) that are sold at current market prices. I'm sure Hangup and Newart would be most flattered by your impression, but that aint happening. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by vernaxley on Mar 22, 2016 16:25:00 GMT 1, Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat? Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years. ... or was all this before the set up of POW? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!?
Stick with the stick.
You have much to learn about the art world my friend.
Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat? Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years. ... or was all this before the set up of POW? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!? Stick with the stick. You have much to learn about the art world my friend. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Happy Shopper on Mar 23, 2016 11:43:12 GMT 1, Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat? Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years. ... or was all this before the set up of POW? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!? Stick with the stick. You have much to learn about the art world my friend.
Enough with the insults.
Can you explain why Banksy or Pest Control would sell through another gallery, rather than POW, when they're basically the same people (same directors). What's in for them to go that route?
I'm not saying they didn't or don't... I'd just love to know why.
Don't POW sell Banksy originals? Why would Banksy, or someone at Pest Control, use Black Rat? Plus Black Rat has been in new ownership for years. ... or was all this before the set up of POW? Or am I getting the wrong end of the stick completely!? Stick with the stick. You have much to learn about the art world my friend. Enough with the insults. Can you explain why Banksy or Pest Control would sell through another gallery, rather than POW, when they're basically the same people (same directors). What's in for them to go that route? I'm not saying they didn't or don't... I'd just love to know why. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Unica on Mar 23, 2016 12:43:44 GMT 1, I'm surprised this didn't sell, or was it withdrawn? Anybody know? I'd of thought this original would appear to be rather good value compared to a GWB or Kate, or one of the other more sought after prints. Its an original stencil, completed by the artist, its a wonderful example of overspray to finish off the look and an interesting provenance as part of the Central Park stand.
Just seems odd that people will pay similar prices for signed prints and would pass on a more unique original.
I'm surprised this didn't sell, or was it withdrawn? Anybody know? I'd of thought this original would appear to be rather good value compared to a GWB or Kate, or one of the other more sought after prints. Its an original stencil, completed by the artist, its a wonderful example of overspray to finish off the look and an interesting provenance as part of the Central Park stand.
Just seems odd that people will pay similar prices for signed prints and would pass on a more unique original.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by illicey on Mar 23, 2016 16:39:57 GMT 1, It failed to sell which was somewhat surprising. I spoke with a sotheby's representative at the Laz show in Hong Kong on Tuesday night who confirmed it was still available.
It failed to sell which was somewhat surprising. I spoke with a sotheby's representative at the Laz show in Hong Kong on Tuesday night who confirmed it was still available.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Shoot Again on Mar 23, 2016 17:01:51 GMT 1, It failed to sell which was somewhat surprising. I spoke with a sotheby's representative at the Laz show in Hong Kong on Tuesday night who confirmed it was still available.
It failed to sell which was somewhat surprising. I spoke with a sotheby's representative at the Laz show in Hong Kong on Tuesday night who confirmed it was still available. (...) available at what price (if you asked) ? |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by lee3 on Mar 23, 2016 17:22:21 GMT 1, It failed to sell which was somewhat surprising. I spoke with a sotheby's representative at the Laz show in Hong Kong on Tuesday night who confirmed it was still available. (...) available at what price (if you asked) ?
Typically, the houses have 30 days post sale to illicit bids and sell at the reserve (which can be no higher than the low estimate (50 in this case which is ~62.5 with fees)). Often the reserve is lower than the low estimate by consignors just to generate a sale. I don't bid much at auction but I have been involved in instances previously where unsold works had more than one suitor post sale. In both cases, those works ended up selling for middle of the estimate range (not including premium) despite having been unsold at auction.
Regardless, this particular painting is no longer available (per phone a moment ago) so someone picked it post sale.
It failed to sell which was somewhat surprising. I spoke with a sotheby's representative at the Laz show in Hong Kong on Tuesday night who confirmed it was still available. (...) available at what price (if you asked) ? Typically, the houses have 30 days post sale to illicit bids and sell at the reserve (which can be no higher than the low estimate (50 in this case which is ~62.5 with fees)). Often the reserve is lower than the low estimate by consignors just to generate a sale. I don't bid much at auction but I have been involved in instances previously where unsold works had more than one suitor post sale. In both cases, those works ended up selling for middle of the estimate range (not including premium) despite having been unsold at auction. Regardless, this particular painting is no longer available (per phone a moment ago) so someone picked it post sale. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 21:59:09 GMT 1, (...) available at what price (if you asked) ? Typically, the houses have 30 days post sale to illicit bids and sell at the reserve (which can be no higher than the low estimate (50 in this case which is ~62.5 with fees)). Often the reserve is lower than the low estimate by consignors just to generate a sale. I don't bid much at auction but I have been involved in instances previously where unsold works had more than one suitor post sale. In both cases, those works ended up selling for middle of the estimate range (not including premium) despite having been unsold at auction. Regardless, this particular painting is no longer available (per phone a moment ago) so someone picked it post sale.
(...) available at what price (if you asked) ? Typically, the houses have 30 days post sale to illicit bids and sell at the reserve (which can be no higher than the low estimate (50 in this case which is ~62.5 with fees)). Often the reserve is lower than the low estimate by consignors just to generate a sale. I don't bid much at auction but I have been involved in instances previously where unsold works had more than one suitor post sale. In both cases, those works ended up selling for middle of the estimate range (not including premium) despite having been unsold at auction. Regardless, this particular painting is no longer available (per phone a moment ago) so someone picked it post sale. Is that similar to how a ring operates? |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by illicey on Mar 24, 2016 7:29:54 GMT 1, From Lee3's email it has now gone but when I asked the only information that was conveyed was that it would not be lower than the low estimate. No surprises that it has quickly been snapped up post sale.
From Lee3's email it has now gone but when I asked the only information that was conveyed was that it would not be lower than the low estimate. No surprises that it has quickly been snapped up post sale.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by vernaxley on Apr 11, 2016 15:27:43 GMT 1, Stick with the stick. You have much to learn about the art world my friend. Enough with the insults. Can you explain why Banksy or Pest Control would sell through another gallery, rather than POW, when they're basically the same people (same directors). What's in for them to go that route? I'm not saying they didn't or don't... I'd just love to know why.
Stick with the stick. You have much to learn about the art world my friend. Enough with the insults. Can you explain why Banksy or Pest Control would sell through another gallery, rather than POW, when they're basically the same people (same directors). What's in for them to go that route? I'm not saying they didn't or don't... I'd just love to know why. Banksy made the art, Laz sold the art and when they parted ways the client list went with Laz. POW only ever sold prints so their client list can only stretch so far when it comes to the money the canvases now command. It's a classic case of an artist believing they are solely responsible for their own success. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by lee3 on Apr 11, 2016 16:11:05 GMT 1, >>>It's a classic case of an artist believing they are solely responsible for their own success. <<<
One way to read into it. Another possibility is that the artist was sick of the games their dealer was playing with their (and others) careers and moved on. Regardless, the past now although one side of the relationship seems to keep hosting retrospectives for their divorcee which is odd.
>>>It's a classic case of an artist believing they are solely responsible for their own success. <<<
One way to read into it. Another possibility is that the artist was sick of the games their dealer was playing with their (and others) careers and moved on. Regardless, the past now although one side of the relationship seems to keep hosting retrospectives for their divorcee which is odd.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by tuftynuts on Apr 11, 2016 16:24:07 GMT 1, >>>It's a classic case of an artist believing they are solely responsible for their own success. <<< One way to read into it. Another possibility is that the artist was sick of the games their dealer was playing with their (and others) careers and moved on. Regardless, the past now although one side of the relationship seems to keep hosting retrospectives for their divorcee which is odd.
No idea what went on, but I think the retrospectives are a case of Laz protecting his investments, not honouring his former partner.
>>>It's a classic case of an artist believing they are solely responsible for their own success. <<< One way to read into it. Another possibility is that the artist was sick of the games their dealer was playing with their (and others) careers and moved on. Regardless, the past now although one side of the relationship seems to keep hosting retrospectives for their divorcee which is odd. No idea what went on, but I think the retrospectives are a case of Laz protecting his investments, not honouring his former partner. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by lee3 on Apr 11, 2016 16:39:50 GMT 1, Tuft, sorry, I didn't intend for that comment regarding the retrospectives to be a case of homage to anything apart from publicity and cash.
Tuft, sorry, I didn't intend for that comment regarding the retrospectives to be a case of homage to anything apart from publicity and cash.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by Harveyn on Apr 11, 2016 16:40:04 GMT 1, I am unable to comment on the size of Laz's client list capable of buying high end Banksy works compared to POW/PC's list. One thing I do know the later certainly has clients more than capable of these purchases.
Also collectors are more than capable of finding their own way to source these works if they choice to make that informed decision.
I am positive both parties will do just fine independent of each other or despite each other.
I am unable to comment on the size of Laz's client list capable of buying high end Banksy works compared to POW/PC's list. One thing I do know the later certainly has clients more than capable of these purchases.
Also collectors are more than capable of finding their own way to source these works if they choice to make that informed decision.
I am positive both parties will do just fine independent of each other or despite each other.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by tuftynuts on Apr 11, 2016 16:47:16 GMT 1, Tuft, sorry, I didn't intend for that comment regarding the retrospectives to be a case of homage to anything apart from publicity and cash.
Point taken, but you said it was an odd situation, but I see nothing odd about an art dealer making money from selling art.
Tuft, sorry, I didn't intend for that comment regarding the retrospectives to be a case of homage to anything apart from publicity and cash. Point taken, but you said it was an odd situation, but I see nothing odd about an art dealer making money from selling art. |
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by cashformonkeys on Apr 11, 2016 17:03:13 GMT 1, Laz should stop listening to Adele albums and move on.
Laz should stop listening to Adele albums and move on.
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by brookvale on Apr 4, 2017 21:32:48 GMT 1, That's very low! Wonder what's the condition like
That's very low! Wonder what's the condition like
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Sotheby's Art Auctions โข LONDON ๐ฌ๐ง, by avec art on Apr 4, 2017 23:17:52 GMT 1, The full sheet, in good condition apart from some minor scuffing (visible only in a raking light), slight creasing along extreme lower edge of sheet and at tips, a tiny stain in lower margin at right, remains of cellophane tape at corners verso, slight handling creases, unframed.
The full sheet, in good condition apart from some minor scuffing (visible only in a raking light), slight creasing along extreme lower edge of sheet and at tips, a tiny stain in lower margin at right, remains of cellophane tape at corners verso, slight handling creases, unframed.
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