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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by nobokov on Oct 15, 2020 16:37:22 GMT 1, Laughable as always...
Laughable as always...
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by kuni on Oct 15, 2020 16:55:23 GMT 1, Lets see, spend $7k on 1 of the 17 prints Shrigley released this year or buy a few original pieces from up and coming artists...Feels like a no brainer to me.
Lets see, spend $7k on 1 of the 17 prints Shrigley released this year or buy a few original pieces from up and coming artists...Feels like a no brainer to me.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Pawel on Oct 15, 2020 16:57:28 GMT 1, Lets see, spend $5k on 1 of the 17 prints Shrigley released this year or buy a few original pieces from up and coming artists...Feels like a no brainer to me. you don't need to go for an up and coming artists. Just add a bit more and buy an OG.
Lets see, spend $5k on 1 of the 17 prints Shrigley released this year or buy a few original pieces from up and coming artists...Feels like a no brainer to me. you don't need to go for an up and coming artists. Just add a bit more and buy an OG.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Art for Love 1 on Oct 15, 2020 16:59:21 GMT 1, ยฃ6k now
ยฃ6k now
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by kuni on Oct 15, 2020 17:09:37 GMT 1, Lets see, spend $5k on 1 of the 17 prints Shrigley released this year or buy a few original pieces from up and coming artists...Feels like a no brainer to me. you don't need to go for an up and coming artists. Just add a bit more and buy an OG. Well we're at around $7500 now so...
Lets see, spend $5k on 1 of the 17 prints Shrigley released this year or buy a few original pieces from up and coming artists...Feels like a no brainer to me. you don't need to go for an up and coming artists. Just add a bit more and buy an OG. Well we're at around $7500 now so...
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by theclash on Oct 15, 2020 17:13:32 GMT 1, Given the price just went up again I assume people like it enough to pay.
Given the price just went up again I assume people like it enough to pay.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by eskay on Oct 15, 2020 17:22:31 GMT 1, Still some great Shrigley deals to be had here - www.schaefergrafik.dk/artist/david-shrigley
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by kuni on Oct 15, 2020 17:26:20 GMT 1, Given the price just went up again I assume people like it enough to pay. I'd agree with this to some extent, but the lack of transparency around the tiers and pricing makes me wonder how many of these they're actually moving.
Given the price just went up again I assume people like it enough to pay. I'd agree with this to some extent, but the lack of transparency around the tiers and pricing makes me wonder how many of these they're actually moving.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by mrizzle on Oct 15, 2020 17:36:41 GMT 1, I really like it but thatโs exorbitantly priced in my eyes.
I really like it but thatโs exorbitantly priced in my eyes.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Babyford on Oct 15, 2020 17:54:22 GMT 1, I'd agree with this to some extent, but the lack of transparency around the tiers and pricing makes me wonder how many of these they're actually moving. Each time they sell one print they put the price up. Edition is now Sold out
I'd agree with this to some extent, but the lack of transparency around the tiers and pricing makes me wonder how many of these they're actually moving. Each time they sell one print they put the price up. Edition is now Sold out
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by robo on Oct 15, 2020 17:59:28 GMT 1, Sold out...
Sold out...
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Gurn on Oct 15, 2020 18:02:34 GMT 1, What's happening to the art world these days? 6K for a very basic print from a c-list artist? Really? You could buy a Damien Hirst or Tracey Emin for that price!
C-list?.....No, definitely not.
What's happening to the art world these days? 6K for a very basic print from a c-list artist? Really? You could buy a Damien Hirst or Tracey Emin for that price! C-list?.....No, definitely not.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Gurn on Oct 15, 2020 18:05:29 GMT 1,
Supply..and demand.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Schrรถdinger's Chat on Oct 15, 2020 18:14:50 GMT 1, Makes the signed Brighton Festival screenprint for ยฃ150, edition of 48 from the other week look like a bargain.
Perhaps I'm comparing apples and oranges but I couldn't justify ยฃ5/6k for a Shrigley print.
To his credit he does pump out a lot of affordable art, as well as the counter edition works.
Makes the signed Brighton Festival screenprint for ยฃ150, edition of 48 from the other week look like a bargain.
Perhaps I'm comparing apples and oranges but I couldn't justify ยฃ5/6k for a Shrigley print.
To his credit he does pump out a lot of affordable art, as well as the counter edition works.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Art for Love 1 on Oct 15, 2020 18:16:42 GMT 1, Glad i bought one......
Glad i bought one......
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Horatio Nelson on Oct 15, 2020 18:31:46 GMT 1, After some reflection, I have one theory (total conjecture on my part) re how Counter can get people to pay ยฃ5/6k and have the edition sell out, when any serious purchaser knows that they will be half of that at 2pm the moment they are released, and perhaps a third of the price if they get a VIP link the day/week before.
If youโre a flipper and managed to buy one of these pre-release for ยฃ1.5k (i.e. with discount), you are going to want the item to progress through the tiers in order to make that purchase more valuable. One way to ensure that happening is to buy a second print at a higher tier. So if such a seller bought one print at pre-release for ยฃ1.5k and another one at ยฃ4K (i.e. ยฃ5k pre-discount), you have effectively purchased two prints at ยฃ2,750 each. Whilst on one view that may seem counterintuitive, on another view it ensures that you are increasing the chances that the perceived market value/list price ends up being as high as possible. Iโve seen hedge funds and similar do this with different levels of debt/equity in capital structures to manipulate / disguise the true price of trades (not the perfect analogy), but itโs the only rational example I can think of to explain what is happening here.
After some reflection, I have one theory (total conjecture on my part) re how Counter can get people to pay ยฃ5/6k and have the edition sell out, when any serious purchaser knows that they will be half of that at 2pm the moment they are released, and perhaps a third of the price if they get a VIP link the day/week before.
If youโre a flipper and managed to buy one of these pre-release for ยฃ1.5k (i.e. with discount), you are going to want the item to progress through the tiers in order to make that purchase more valuable. One way to ensure that happening is to buy a second print at a higher tier. So if such a seller bought one print at pre-release for ยฃ1.5k and another one at ยฃ4K (i.e. ยฃ5k pre-discount), you have effectively purchased two prints at ยฃ2,750 each. Whilst on one view that may seem counterintuitive, on another view it ensures that you are increasing the chances that the perceived market value/list price ends up being as high as possible. Iโve seen hedge funds and similar do this with different levels of debt/equity in capital structures to manipulate / disguise the true price of trades (not the perfect analogy), but itโs the only rational example I can think of to explain what is happening here.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by theclash on Oct 15, 2020 18:32:11 GMT 1, Each time they sell one print they put the price up. ย Edition is now Sold outย
Great image, went faster than would have thought given price.
Each time they sell one print they put the price up. ย Edition is now Sold outย Great image, went faster than would have thought given price.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by John The Badgers on Oct 15, 2020 19:02:06 GMT 1, An innocent question, and appreciate the comments on pricing, and the way its being sold, but what is the explanation behind the image/print???
Genuinely curious.
An innocent question, and appreciate the comments on pricing, and the way its being sold, but what is the explanation behind the image/print???
Genuinely curious.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by robo on Oct 15, 2020 20:55:19 GMT 1, After some reflection, I have one theory (total conjecture on my part) re how Counter can get people to pay ยฃ5/6k and have the edition sell out, when any serious purchaser knows that they will be half of that at 2pm the moment they are released, and perhaps a third of the price if they get a VIP link the day/week before. If youโre a flipper and managed to buy one of these pre-release for ยฃ1.5k (i.e. with discount), you are going to want the item to progress through the tiers in order to make that purchase more valuable. One way to ensure that happening is to buy a second print at a higher tier. So if such a seller bought one print at pre-release for ยฃ1.5k and another one at ยฃ4K (i.e. ยฃ5k pre-discount), you have effectively purchased two prints at ยฃ2,750 each. Whilst on one view that may seem counterintuitive, on another view it ensures that you are increasing the chances that the perceived market value/list price ends up being as high as possible. Iโve seen hedge funds and similar do this with different levels of debt/equity in capital structures to manipulate / disguise the true price of trades (not the perfect analogy), but itโs the only rational example I can think of to explain what is happening here.
Rumour is one person took this logic to the extreme and bought the entire edition.
After some reflection, I have one theory (total conjecture on my part) re how Counter can get people to pay ยฃ5/6k and have the edition sell out, when any serious purchaser knows that they will be half of that at 2pm the moment they are released, and perhaps a third of the price if they get a VIP link the day/week before. If youโre a flipper and managed to buy one of these pre-release for ยฃ1.5k (i.e. with discount), you are going to want the item to progress through the tiers in order to make that purchase more valuable. One way to ensure that happening is to buy a second print at a higher tier. So if such a seller bought one print at pre-release for ยฃ1.5k and another one at ยฃ4K (i.e. ยฃ5k pre-discount), you have effectively purchased two prints at ยฃ2,750 each. Whilst on one view that may seem counterintuitive, on another view it ensures that you are increasing the chances that the perceived market value/list price ends up being as high as possible. Iโve seen hedge funds and similar do this with different levels of debt/equity in capital structures to manipulate / disguise the true price of trades (not the perfect analogy), but itโs the only rational example I can think of to explain what is happening here. Rumour is one person took this logic to the extreme and bought the entire edition.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Arty Farty 15 on Oct 15, 2020 22:26:19 GMT 1, Whatโs a reasonable price for this set? CE have it listed at ยฃ15.5k which is very lumpy (or not based on todayโs edition)
www.countereditions.com/david-shrigley-set.html
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by gd79 on Oct 15, 2020 22:39:09 GMT 1, After some reflection, I have one theory (total conjecture on my part) re how Counter can get people to pay ยฃ5/6k and have the edition sell out, when any serious purchaser knows that they will be half of that at 2pm the moment they are released, and perhaps a third of the price if they get a VIP link the day/week before. If youโre a flipper and managed to buy one of these pre-release for ยฃ1.5k (i.e. with discount), you are going to want the item to progress through the tiers in order to make that purchase more valuable. One way to ensure that happening is to buy a second print at a higher tier. So if such a seller bought one print at pre-release for ยฃ1.5k and another one at ยฃ4K (i.e. ยฃ5k pre-discount), you have effectively purchased two prints at ยฃ2,750 each. Whilst on one view that may seem counterintuitive, on another view it ensures that you are increasing the chances that the perceived market value/list price ends up being as high as possible. Iโve seen hedge funds and similar do this with different levels of debt/equity in capital structures to manipulate / disguise the true price of trades (not the perfect analogy), but itโs the only rational example I can think of to explain what is happening here. Rumour is one person took this logic to the extreme and bought the entire edition.
You can also easily free ride on this. Why be the mug that averages up if you can bet someone else will do it...
Though remember some will put value in paying a lot. There are far more bragging rights in saying you sunk almost 10k on a little something to file away...
After some reflection, I have one theory (total conjecture on my part) re how Counter can get people to pay ยฃ5/6k and have the edition sell out, when any serious purchaser knows that they will be half of that at 2pm the moment they are released, and perhaps a third of the price if they get a VIP link the day/week before. If youโre a flipper and managed to buy one of these pre-release for ยฃ1.5k (i.e. with discount), you are going to want the item to progress through the tiers in order to make that purchase more valuable. One way to ensure that happening is to buy a second print at a higher tier. So if such a seller bought one print at pre-release for ยฃ1.5k and another one at ยฃ4K (i.e. ยฃ5k pre-discount), you have effectively purchased two prints at ยฃ2,750 each. Whilst on one view that may seem counterintuitive, on another view it ensures that you are increasing the chances that the perceived market value/list price ends up being as high as possible. Iโve seen hedge funds and similar do this with different levels of debt/equity in capital structures to manipulate / disguise the true price of trades (not the perfect analogy), but itโs the only rational example I can think of to explain what is happening here. Rumour is one person took this logic to the extreme and bought the entire edition. You can also easily free ride on this. Why be the mug that averages up if you can bet someone else will do it... Though remember some will put value in paying a lot. There are far more bragging rights in saying you sunk almost 10k on a little something to file away...
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by nobokov on Oct 16, 2020 6:16:35 GMT 1, What kind of moron would buy these prints when they can buy a shrigley original for less?
What kind of moron would buy these prints when they can buy a shrigley original for less?
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by theclash on Oct 16, 2020 7:27:39 GMT 1, What kind of moron would buy these prints when they can buy a shrigley original for less?
Probably people who like the image and donโt just buy for an artists name.
What kind of moron would buy these prints when they can buy a shrigley original for less? Probably people who like the image and donโt just buy for an artists name.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by medichead on Oct 16, 2020 8:36:17 GMT 1, What kind of moron would buy these prints when they can buy a shrigley original for less? Probably people who like the image and donโt just buy for an artists name.
Certainly possible, and if it was a strong image I would be inclined to agree.
What kind of moron would buy these prints when they can buy a shrigley original for less? Probably people who like the image and donโt just buy for an artists name. Certainly possible, and if it was a strong image I would be inclined to agree.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by theclash on Oct 16, 2020 8:42:39 GMT 1, Probably people who like the image and donโt just buy for an artists name. Certainly possible, and if it was a strong image I would be inclined to agree.
Yup, I liked it so I bought it. You didnโt so you didnโt. That is art
Probably people who like the image and donโt just buy for an artists name. Certainly possible, and if it was a strong image I would be inclined to agree. Yup, I liked it so I bought it. You didnโt so you didnโt. That is art
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Love Is In The Air on Oct 16, 2020 8:46:45 GMT 1, I don't like tiered pricing but I suspect galleries who do it think it taps into the relatively modern phenomenon of FOMO.
They hype the print a week or so before with teases of the image and fans of the artist get excited and we all speculate about the print. Then it is released and goes on sale the same time we see the image for the first time and you have to make a snap judgement to buy or not. If you are undecided and the price starts to rise, some fans will then get caught up in the moment and perhaps buy it because has reaching a price point that still seems OK to justify the purchase. Finally the price rises further and in the case of yesterday CE even said at one point on instagram it was "almost sold out". This makes perhaps some art investors and some fans think it is now or never in terms of owning this print.....most people on her would disagree of course and buy on the secondary market for less, but not everyone is as obsessed as us. To some perhaps an extra ยฃ1-2000 is not a big deal either.
The hype and the tiers worked brilliantly for CE yesterday and they sold out a print which I think is quite nice, but nowhere near Shrigely's best work, in a couple of hours. I don't like it but when the process works for them as well as yesterday things are unlikely to change. If they had sold this print at say ยฃ2500 flat for 125 copies would it have sold out yesterday?
I don't like tiered pricing but I suspect galleries who do it think it taps into the relatively modern phenomenon of FOMO.
They hype the print a week or so before with teases of the image and fans of the artist get excited and we all speculate about the print. Then it is released and goes on sale the same time we see the image for the first time and you have to make a snap judgement to buy or not. If you are undecided and the price starts to rise, some fans will then get caught up in the moment and perhaps buy it because has reaching a price point that still seems OK to justify the purchase. Finally the price rises further and in the case of yesterday CE even said at one point on instagram it was "almost sold out". This makes perhaps some art investors and some fans think it is now or never in terms of owning this print.....most people on her would disagree of course and buy on the secondary market for less, but not everyone is as obsessed as us. To some perhaps an extra ยฃ1-2000 is not a big deal either.
The hype and the tiers worked brilliantly for CE yesterday and they sold out a print which I think is quite nice, but nowhere near Shrigely's best work, in a couple of hours. I don't like it but when the process works for them as well as yesterday things are unlikely to change. If they had sold this print at say ยฃ2500 flat for 125 copies would it have sold out yesterday?
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Oct 16, 2020 8:53:43 GMT 1, I don't like tiered pricing but I suspect galleries who do it think it taps into the relatively modern phenomenon of FOMO. They hype the print a week or so before with teases of the image and fans of the artist get excited and we all speculate about the print. Then it is released and goes on sale the same time we see the image for the first time and you have to make a snap judgement to buy or not. If you are undecided and the price starts to rise, some fans will then get caught up in the moment and perhaps buy it because has reaching a price point that still seems OK to justify the purchase. Finally the price rises further and in the case of yesterday CE even said at one point on instagram it was "almost sold out". This makes perhaps some art investors and some fans think it is now or never in terms of owning this print.....most people on her would disagree of course and buy on the secondary market for less, but not everyone is as obsessed as us. To some perhaps an extra ยฃ1-2000 is not a big deal either. The hype and the tiers worked brilliantly for CE yesterday and they sold out a print which I think is quite nice, but nowhere near Shrigely's best work, in a couple of hours. I don't like it but when the process works for them as well as yesterday things are unlikely to change. If they had sold this print at say ยฃ2500 flat for 125 copies would it have sold out yesterday?
Great post ๐ Also i haven't paid much attention to his prices, but have all his prints increased in value ? Or are some moving back to their cost price?
I don't like tiered pricing but I suspect galleries who do it think it taps into the relatively modern phenomenon of FOMO. They hype the print a week or so before with teases of the image and fans of the artist get excited and we all speculate about the print. Then it is released and goes on sale the same time we see the image for the first time and you have to make a snap judgement to buy or not. If you are undecided and the price starts to rise, some fans will then get caught up in the moment and perhaps buy it because has reaching a price point that still seems OK to justify the purchase. Finally the price rises further and in the case of yesterday CE even said at one point on instagram it was "almost sold out". This makes perhaps some art investors and some fans think it is now or never in terms of owning this print.....most people on her would disagree of course and buy on the secondary market for less, but not everyone is as obsessed as us. To some perhaps an extra ยฃ1-2000 is not a big deal either. The hype and the tiers worked brilliantly for CE yesterday and they sold out a print which I think is quite nice, but nowhere near Shrigely's best work, in a couple of hours. I don't like it but when the process works for them as well as yesterday things are unlikely to change. If they had sold this print at say ยฃ2500 flat for 125 copies would it have sold out yesterday? Great post ๐ Also i haven't paid much attention to his prices, but have all his prints increased in value ? Or are some moving back to their cost price?
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by robo on Oct 16, 2020 9:11:46 GMT 1, Great post ๐ Also i haven't paid much attention to his prices, but have all his prints increased in value ? Or are some moving back to their cost price? I'd say these tiers quite smartly ranged from well below the possible market price for this piece to a bit above it. I didn't buy, but I think it's a good Shrigley piece.
Great post ๐ Also i haven't paid much attention to his prices, but have all his prints increased in value ? Or are some moving back to their cost price? I'd say these tiers quite smartly ranged from well below the possible market price for this piece to a bit above it. I didn't buy, but I think it's a good Shrigley piece.
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by medichead on Oct 16, 2020 9:12:32 GMT 1, I don't like tiered pricing but I suspect galleries who do it think it taps into the relatively modern phenomenon of FOMO. They hype the print a week or so before with teases of the image and fans of the artist get excited and we all speculate about the print. Then it is released and goes on sale the same time we see the image for the first time and you have to make a snap judgement to buy or not. If you are undecided and the price starts to rise, some fans will then get caught up in the moment and perhaps buy it because has reaching a price point that still seems OK to justify the purchase. Finally the price rises further and in the case of yesterday CE even said at one point on instagram it was "almost sold out". This makes perhaps some art investors and some fans think it is now or never in terms of owning this print.....most people on her would disagree of course and buy on the secondary market for less, but not everyone is as obsessed as us. To some perhaps an extra ยฃ1-2000 is not a big deal either. The hype and the tiers worked brilliantly for CE yesterday and they sold out a print which I think is quite nice, but nowhere near Shrigely's best work, in a couple of hours. I don't like it but when the process works for them as well as yesterday things are unlikely to change. If they had sold this print at say ยฃ2500 flat for 125 copies would it have sold out yesterday?
100% ๐๐ป
What does that say about an image that they canโt prerelease any photos of it in case people talk themselves out of it?
I don't like tiered pricing but I suspect galleries who do it think it taps into the relatively modern phenomenon of FOMO. They hype the print a week or so before with teases of the image and fans of the artist get excited and we all speculate about the print. Then it is released and goes on sale the same time we see the image for the first time and you have to make a snap judgement to buy or not. If you are undecided and the price starts to rise, some fans will then get caught up in the moment and perhaps buy it because has reaching a price point that still seems OK to justify the purchase. Finally the price rises further and in the case of yesterday CE even said at one point on instagram it was "almost sold out". This makes perhaps some art investors and some fans think it is now or never in terms of owning this print.....most people on her would disagree of course and buy on the secondary market for less, but not everyone is as obsessed as us. To some perhaps an extra ยฃ1-2000 is not a big deal either. The hype and the tiers worked brilliantly for CE yesterday and they sold out a print which I think is quite nice, but nowhere near Shrigely's best work, in a couple of hours. I don't like it but when the process works for them as well as yesterday things are unlikely to change. If they had sold this print at say ยฃ2500 flat for 125 copies would it have sold out yesterday? 100% ๐๐ป What does that say about an image that they canโt prerelease any photos of it in case people talk themselves out of it?
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David Shrigley New Edition Launching Thursday 15th October, by robo on Oct 16, 2020 9:23:34 GMT 1, Makes the works still available here look keenly priced - some gems still on there IMHO.
www.schaefergrafik.dk
Makes the works still available here look keenly priced - some gems still on there IMHO. www.schaefergrafik.dk
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