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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Complex iCom on Feb 4, 2016 11:35:57 GMT 1, I agree with feralthings comments regarding beautiful, colourful artwork in out of the way or urban settings, I would add that the reverse can also be quite striking, when political or psychological messages appear in some up market environments, it makes for a sharp contrast.
I agree with feralthings comments regarding beautiful, colourful artwork in out of the way or urban settings, I would add that the reverse can also be quite striking, when political or psychological messages appear in some up market environments, it makes for a sharp contrast.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Dr Plip on Feb 4, 2016 11:36:40 GMT 1, I haven't been following the project, but have they got permission from the owners/trustees yet? I'd assume they had that before starting the promotion! Tristan and a team have clearly already been on the Forts, taking a look around. I have no idea. I just did a quick Google and came up with the Project Redsand Facebook page. Their last post on 27th of January included this line "The Trust is in discussion about the proposals so nothing is yet set in stone. The mural artists are somewhat premature in publicising their initiative."
They've been quoted as suggesting that the project would be beneficial to the forts, but I can't see if they've made a decision yet.
Their facebook page has more information, comments, etc.
www.facebook.com/pages/Project-Redsand/100281160026958?ref=ts
At least it's got people discussing the future of the forts.
I haven't been following the project, but have they got permission from the owners/trustees yet? I'd assume they had that before starting the promotion! Tristan and a team have clearly already been on the Forts, taking a look around. I have no idea. I just did a quick Google and came up with the Project Redsand Facebook page. Their last post on 27th of January included this line "The Trust is in discussion about the proposals so nothing is yet set in stone. The mural artists are somewhat premature in publicising their initiative."
They've been quoted as suggesting that the project would be beneficial to the forts, but I can't see if they've made a decision yet.
Their facebook page has more information, comments, etc.
www.facebook.com/pages/Project-Redsand/100281160026958?ref=ts
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Happy Shopper on Feb 4, 2016 12:27:59 GMT 1, I have no idea. I just did a quick Google and came up with the Project Redsand Facebook page. Their last post on 27th of January included this line "The Trust is in discussion about the proposals so nothing is yet set in stone. The mural artists are somewhat premature in publicising their initiative."
Blimey! Hadn't seen that post. Sounds like they've not planned this too well!
I have no idea. I just did a quick Google and came up with the Project Redsand Facebook page. Their last post on 27th of January included this line "The Trust is in discussion about the proposals so nothing is yet set in stone. The mural artists are somewhat premature in publicising their initiative."
Blimey! Hadn't seen that post. Sounds like they've not planned this too well! |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 12:34:08 GMT 1, I have no idea. I just did a quick Google and came up with the Project Redsand Facebook page. Their last post on 27th of January included this line "The Trust is in discussion about the proposals so nothing is yet set in stone. The mural artists are somewhat premature in publicising their initiative."
Blimey! Hadn't seen that post. Sounds like they've not planned this too well!
I have no idea. I just did a quick Google and came up with the Project Redsand Facebook page. Their last post on 27th of January included this line "The Trust is in discussion about the proposals so nothing is yet set in stone. The mural artists are somewhat premature in publicising their initiative."
Blimey! Hadn't seen that post. Sounds like they've not planned this too well! "Don't you know who we are? We're street artists, we're special!" |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Dr Plip on Feb 4, 2016 12:49:46 GMT 1, Perhaps the trust is holding off on an official decision until they see if the Kickstarter's goal is reached. I mean, they can use this project to judge the public's interest and opinions on the forts restoration.
Perhaps the trust is holding off on an official decision until they see if the Kickstarter's goal is reached. I mean, they can use this project to judge the public's interest and opinions on the forts restoration.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Happy Shopper on Feb 4, 2016 12:57:49 GMT 1, The kickstarter isn't very good. Prints are too expensive (and not attractive), and cheaper rewards are a bit shit. I wonder if they'll reach $200k !?
The kickstarter isn't very good. Prints are too expensive (and not attractive), and cheaper rewards are a bit shit. I wonder if they'll reach $200k !?
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 13:11:40 GMT 1, Badly conceived, terribly curated,s**t rewards, VIP celebrity opening being promoted. It will never happen. Daily Mail gets wind of this and the project will be dead in the water, so to speak. Tristan's FB page taking some serious flak already.
Badly conceived, terribly curated,s**t rewards, VIP celebrity opening being promoted. It will never happen. Daily Mail gets wind of this and the project will be dead in the water, so to speak. Tristan's FB page taking some serious flak already.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Coach on Feb 4, 2016 13:16:12 GMT 1, This may be an unpopular view. I haven't read the whole thread. But I tend to be of the opinion that there are some things that shouldn't be painted or written on. And I think these fall within that category.
This may be an unpopular view. I haven't read the whole thread. But I tend to be of the opinion that there are some things that shouldn't be painted or written on. And I think these fall within that category.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by skylarkin on Feb 5, 2016 11:00:18 GMT 1, At least it's got people discussing the future of the forts Very true, and Tristan is being pushed to explain in a bit more detail the financials, which to be honest is my biggest bug bear. My last rant sounded like a proper NIMBY response, so, sorry about that..feckers just annoyed me, getting people to pay for them to profit from this project..nothing worse than a capitalist anarchist 
At least it's got people discussing the future of the forts Very true, and Tristan is being pushed to explain in a bit more detail the financials, which to be honest is my biggest bug bear. My last rant sounded like a proper NIMBY response, so, sorry about that..feckers just annoyed me, getting people to pay for them to profit from this project..nothing worse than a capitalist anarchist |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 19:11:10 GMT 1, I agree with Coach. The sea forts are magnificent structures and the project looks a bit like a "vanity" project to me. Paint a mural which does nothing apart from promoting the artists and looks lazy.
I agree with Coach. The sea forts are magnificent structures and the project looks a bit like a "vanity" project to me. Paint a mural which does nothing apart from promoting the artists and looks lazy.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Quinnster on Feb 6, 2016 11:07:23 GMT 1, Article in the Whitstable Times this week and lots of people feel it's disrespectful and should not happen. Can't see this getting off the ground...
Article in the Whitstable Times this week and lots of people feel it's disrespectful and should not happen. Can't see this getting off the ground...
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 15:44:22 GMT 1, Blimey! Hadn't seen that post. Sounds like they've not planned this too well! "Don't you know who we are? We're street artists, we're special!"
Blimey! Hadn't seen that post. Sounds like they've not planned this too well! "Don't you know who we are? We're street artists, we're special!" Hipsters hijacked street art with property dealers |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by djvlnt on Feb 7, 2016 19:38:39 GMT 1, Hi all!
If you have been looking for a Pointman by Futura 2000, don't look any further. Aerosol and marker on art paper, sheet size measures 12"x 18". Signed middle left, from 2016 and it comes with a COA.
1900 USD is a steal if you ask me. Grab it while you can.
dirtypilot.com/collections/new-arrivals/products/futura-2000-pointman-red
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by kaotek on Feb 7, 2016 19:58:09 GMT 1, Isn't a big portion of the funds raised from the project supposedly being used to study the forts to learn what work will need to be done to ensure they stay around for some time? Not being familiar with the myself, from what I read it appeared they aren't in very good shape and are in danger of falling apart if nothing is done. If the awareness from this project helps raise funds to make sure they stay around quite a while longer isn't that a good thing? I mean they will have artwork on them of course, but at least they will still be there to see.
Isn't a big portion of the funds raised from the project supposedly being used to study the forts to learn what work will need to be done to ensure they stay around for some time? Not being familiar with the myself, from what I read it appeared they aren't in very good shape and are in danger of falling apart if nothing is done. If the awareness from this project helps raise funds to make sure they stay around quite a while longer isn't that a good thing? I mean they will have artwork on them of course, but at least they will still be there to see.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 16:29:26 GMT 1, Interesting read, thank you.
I think it's a bit patronising to say that 'the mural project could be exciting for young people' and 'the murals could help their tale reach younger people'. Experience of working with children over many years is that war in itself is 'exciting for young people.' Just bring it to their attention as they are, and maybe they might learn the importance of these in the 'freedom' we have now and that not everything exists for people to mess around with.
I also like the articles about how the forts could become futuristic hotels. Reminds me of the nonsense we were fed as kids about all this leisure time we were going to have, day trips to the moon, aliens for pets and meals consumed in pill form.
Interesting read, thank you. I think it's a bit patronising to say that 'the mural project could be exciting for young people' and 'the murals could help their tale reach younger people'. Experience of working with children over many years is that war in itself is 'exciting for young people.' Just bring it to their attention as they are, and maybe they might learn the importance of these in the 'freedom' we have now and that not everything exists for people to mess around with. I also like the articles about how the forts could become futuristic hotels. Reminds me of the nonsense we were fed as kids about all this leisure time we were going to have, day trips to the moon, aliens for pets and meals consumed in pill form. |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by bza on Feb 14, 2016 18:39:16 GMT 1, If they're in such disrepair and potentially being redeveloped, then it would seem like this is a pretty cool way to generate a little extra interest or general knowledge of the sea forts. I know I had never heard of them before.
Either way, the campaign has been stalled out around 78k for a while. 200k looks to be hard to reach unless they get some significant press.
If they're in such disrepair and potentially being redeveloped, then it would seem like this is a pretty cool way to generate a little extra interest or general knowledge of the sea forts. I know I had never heard of them before.
Either way, the campaign has been stalled out around 78k for a while. 200k looks to be hard to reach unless they get some significant press.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by curiousgeorge on Feb 14, 2016 21:23:57 GMT 1, Shortage of wall space in this country??
I think somebody should've at least looked into the low-rise housing projects on council estates, in need of a 'lick 'o paint' Heaven forbid they might've actually been able to do something positive and in some way help communities
Shortage of wall space in this country??
I think somebody should've at least looked into the low-rise housing projects on council estates, in need of a 'lick 'o paint' Heaven forbid they might've actually been able to do something positive and in some way help communities
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by lamouchi on Feb 15, 2016 22:55:33 GMT 1, Hi, anyone have a Futura 2000 original for sale ?
Drawing or canvas please.
Lamouchi from France.
Hi, anyone have a Futura 2000 original for sale ?
Drawing or canvas please.
Lamouchi from France.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by covertshadowops on Feb 15, 2016 23:46:02 GMT 1, What's ur budget? I have a big canvas
What's ur budget? I have a big canvas
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Fountain Art on Feb 16, 2016 0:53:45 GMT 1, ditto I have a large canvas work...do you have a budget?
ditto I have a large canvas work...do you have a budget?
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Dibbs 45 on Feb 16, 2016 7:53:43 GMT 1, Try dirty pilot. They had some originals last week.
Try dirty pilot. They had some originals last week.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by originalhead on Feb 16, 2016 16:37:46 GMT 1, Bon Jour ,
IF YOUR SERIOUSLY INTERESTED โฆ. feel free to reach out to Futura and i by responding back โฆ
perhaps we can help you on your mission to obtain an original piece of artwork , direct from the artist ! 
All others here are the secondary or third market sellers โฆ WE are NOT โฆ they usually are just money oriented people โฆ we are notโฆ.
we do direct ! from artist to your wall
beware of others
FULL RESPECT
S & FU"
Bon Jour , IF YOUR SERIOUSLY INTERESTED โฆ. feel free to reach out to Futura and i by responding back โฆ perhaps we can help you on your mission to obtain an original piece of artwork , direct from the artist ! All others here are the secondary or third market sellers โฆ WE are NOT โฆ they usually are just money oriented people โฆ we are notโฆ. we do direct ! from artist to your wall beware of others FULL RESPECT S & FU" |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by met on Feb 17, 2016 4:31:29 GMT 1, This was pretty much my thought too when I realised the Kickstarter isn't for a charity. It just seems to be to pay them to do it! Unless this is an agreement with the charity that own the forts, as a way to get some PR for "free", gain public interest and hopefully further funding in the long run. This could be debated well into the night, but I've noticed that Kickstarter (and the like) are increasingly being used as a "no risk" platform for selling products. I have a friend that runs a gaming company, which is very successful, he's personally a millionaire, but he now uses Kickstarter/crowdfunding to raise money for products/games that, in the past, he would have had to have taken a financial gamble on. I like the idea of Kickstarter enabling people to raise money to do something, when they have no (or little) money to begin with. But I'm not sure how I feel about people that already have the money to do it, but they just don't want to take on the financial risk or expense of the project.
I'm not sure if that's entirely in the spirit of Kickstarter.But on the other hand, you could also argue that paying artists to create pretty pictures is basically you commissioning something. And both rich and poor artists have been taking money to do that for years. I don't know what I am saying. I am nothing, not a spokesperson, etc.....
The evolution you mention does seem to conflict with the original spirit of Kickstarter. To some extent it also abuses the goodwill of backers, especially if project creators are misleading (including through omission) about their means and ability to get projects off the ground without actually having to resort to crowdfunding.
An additional danger is that creative projects for which crowdfunding is the sole feasible option for raising money can be eclipsed by other projects using it simply to reduce or eliminate financial risk.
This was pretty much my thought too when I realised the Kickstarter isn't for a charity. It just seems to be to pay them to do it! Unless this is an agreement with the charity that own the forts, as a way to get some PR for "free", gain public interest and hopefully further funding in the long run. This could be debated well into the night, but I've noticed that Kickstarter (and the like) are increasingly being used as a "no risk" platform for selling products. I have a friend that runs a gaming company, which is very successful, he's personally a millionaire, but he now uses Kickstarter/crowdfunding to raise money for products/games that, in the past, he would have had to have taken a financial gamble on. I like the idea of Kickstarter enabling people to raise money to do something, when they have no (or little) money to begin with. But I'm not sure how I feel about people that already have the money to do it, but they just don't want to take on the financial risk or expense of the project.
I'm not sure if that's entirely in the spirit of Kickstarter.But on the other hand, you could also argue that paying artists to create pretty pictures is basically you commissioning something. And both rich and poor artists have been taking money to do that for years. I don't know what I am saying. I am nothing, not a spokesperson, etc..... The evolution you mention does seem to conflict with the original spirit of Kickstarter. To some extent it also abuses the goodwill of backers, especially if project creators are misleading (including through omission) about their means and ability to get projects off the ground without actually having to resort to crowdfunding. An additional danger is that creative projects for which crowdfunding is the sole feasible option for raising money can be eclipsed by other projects using it simply to reduce or eliminate financial risk. |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by met on Feb 17, 2016 4:55:06 GMT 1, I'd assume they had that before starting the promotion! Tristan and a team have clearly already been on the Forts, taking a look around. I have no idea. I just did a quick Google and came up with the Project Redsand Facebook page. Their last post on 27th of January included this line "The Trust is in discussion about the proposals so nothing is yet set in stone. The mural artists are somewhat premature in publicising their initiative."They've been quoted as suggesting that the project would be beneficial to the forts, but I can't see if they've made a decision yet. Their facebook page has more information, comments, etc. www.facebook.com/pages/Project-Redsand/100281160026958?ref=tsAt least it's got people discussing the future of the forts.
Amusingly worded. That's a proper exercise in restraint.
I'd assume they had that before starting the promotion! Tristan and a team have clearly already been on the Forts, taking a look around. I have no idea. I just did a quick Google and came up with the Project Redsand Facebook page. Their last post on 27th of January included this line "The Trust is in discussion about the proposals so nothing is yet set in stone. The mural artists are somewhat premature in publicising their initiative."They've been quoted as suggesting that the project would be beneficial to the forts, but I can't see if they've made a decision yet. Their facebook page has more information, comments, etc. www.facebook.com/pages/Project-Redsand/100281160026958?ref=tsAt least it's got people discussing the future of the forts. Amusingly worded. That's a proper exercise in restraint. |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Dr Plip on Feb 17, 2016 9:46:01 GMT 1, This could be debated well into the night, but I've noticed that Kickstarter (and the like) are increasingly being used as a "no risk" platform for selling products. I have a friend that runs a gaming company, which is very successful, he's personally a millionaire, but he now uses Kickstarter/crowdfunding to raise money for products/games that, in the past, he would have had to have taken a financial gamble on. I like the idea of Kickstarter enabling people to raise money to do something, when they have no (or little) money to begin with. But I'm not sure how I feel about people that already have the money to do it, but they just don't want to take on the financial risk or expense of the project.
I'm not sure if that's entirely in the spirit of Kickstarter.But on the other hand, you could also argue that paying artists to create pretty pictures is basically you commissioning something. And both rich and poor artists have been taking money to do that for years. I don't know what I am saying. I am nothing, not a spokesperson, etc..... The evolution you mention does seem to conflict with the original spirit of Kickstarter. To some extent it also abuses the goodwill of backers, especially if project creators are misleading (including through omission) about their means and ability to get projects off the ground without actually having to resort to crowdfunding. An additional danger is that creative projects for which crowdfunding is the sole feasible option for raising money can be eclipsed by other projects using it simply to reduce or eliminate financial risk. Exactly.
It also makes me wonder what would have happened if the project had reached it's financial target but without the go ahead from the trustees.
This could be debated well into the night, but I've noticed that Kickstarter (and the like) are increasingly being used as a "no risk" platform for selling products. I have a friend that runs a gaming company, which is very successful, he's personally a millionaire, but he now uses Kickstarter/crowdfunding to raise money for products/games that, in the past, he would have had to have taken a financial gamble on. I like the idea of Kickstarter enabling people to raise money to do something, when they have no (or little) money to begin with. But I'm not sure how I feel about people that already have the money to do it, but they just don't want to take on the financial risk or expense of the project.
I'm not sure if that's entirely in the spirit of Kickstarter.But on the other hand, you could also argue that paying artists to create pretty pictures is basically you commissioning something. And both rich and poor artists have been taking money to do that for years. I don't know what I am saying. I am nothing, not a spokesperson, etc..... The evolution you mention does seem to conflict with the original spirit of Kickstarter. To some extent it also abuses the goodwill of backers, especially if project creators are misleading (including through omission) about their means and ability to get projects off the ground without actually having to resort to crowdfunding. An additional danger is that creative projects for which crowdfunding is the sole feasible option for raising money can be eclipsed by other projects using it simply to reduce or eliminate financial risk. Exactly.
It also makes me wonder what would have happened if the project had reached it's financial target but without the go ahead from the trustees.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by originalhead on Feb 17, 2016 20:35:03 GMT 1,
HELLO COLLECTORS ,
If anyone is seriously interested in obtaining some Original work by Futura โฆ feel free to drop a message โฆ collectors only โฆ ( know the secret code ) respect.
( all other comments need not apply )
cheers
SC
intelligent people Only
THANKS MOUSER!
HELLO COLLECTORS ,
If anyone is seriously interested in obtaining some Original work by Futura โฆ feel free to drop a message โฆ collectors only โฆ ( know the secret code ) respect.
( all other comments need not apply )
cheers
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intelligent people Only
THANKS MOUSER!
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by doyle on Feb 17, 2016 21:32:29 GMT 1, Tell us about yourself, are you a gallery or best mates with Futura originalhead
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by .dappy on Feb 17, 2016 21:57:56 GMT 1, All of your threads since 2013 have been selling Futuras - you must have an image or two lying around 
All of your threads since 2013 have been selling Futuras - you must have an image or two lying around |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by doyle on Feb 17, 2016 22:21:49 GMT 1, .dappy I wanna know the secret code, respec
.dappy I wanna know the secret code, respec
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