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Glass v Acrylic, by Horatio Nelson on Nov 11, 2020 20:47:34 GMT 1, Getting something framed with Darbyshire (large Harland Miller) and have been quoted for both AR UV glass and acrylic. I’m surprised that the latter is quite a bit more expensive as I had always assumed it was the “cheap” option and would never grace a four/five figure piece of artwork with anything other than top quality glass. But maybe I’m wrong?
Anyone here used acrylic glazing on large and/or high value items and deliberately done so over glass?
Grateful for any insights!
Getting something framed with Darbyshire (large Harland Miller) and have been quoted for both AR UV glass and acrylic. I’m surprised that the latter is quite a bit more expensive as I had always assumed it was the “cheap” option and would never grace a four/five figure piece of artwork with anything other than top quality glass. But maybe I’m wrong?
Anyone here used acrylic glazing on large and/or high value items and deliberately done so over glass?
Grateful for any insights!
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Glass v Acrylic, by Zippy on Nov 11, 2020 20:52:19 GMT 1, I have recently re-framed a Harland Miller and due to size and value (of the piece) i went with Acrylic. It was more expensive but not half as much as optimax which was roughly £3k cost price for the size.
I have recently re-framed a Harland Miller and due to size and value (of the piece) i went with Acrylic. It was more expensive but not half as much as optimax which was roughly £3k cost price for the size.
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Glass v Acrylic, by Winter on Nov 11, 2020 21:01:11 GMT 1, I just got a quote for 60x40in museum plexi from a NY framer. Not cheap but I reckon cheaper than U.K. prices.
I just got a quote for 60x40in museum plexi from a NY framer. Not cheap but I reckon cheaper than U.K. prices.
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Glass v Acrylic, by mrizzle on Nov 11, 2020 21:30:43 GMT 1, I enquired about optimum acrylic for my Welcome Mat and it was £500-600 more expensive than museum glass. HM pieces are generally really big so would expect a hefty bill if you went for that level of acrylic but I’d consider it for a piece of that value. I know that PFG recommend it for higher value pieces and do frame a lot of the Banksy pieces they see with it.
I enquired about optimum acrylic for my Welcome Mat and it was £500-600 more expensive than museum glass. HM pieces are generally really big so would expect a hefty bill if you went for that level of acrylic but I’d consider it for a piece of that value. I know that PFG recommend it for higher value pieces and do frame a lot of the Banksy pieces they see with it.
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Glass v Acrylic, by Horatio Nelson on Nov 11, 2020 21:50:31 GMT 1, I enquired about optimum acrylic for my Welcome Mat and it was £500-600 more expensive than museum glass. HM pieces are generally really big so would expect a hefty bill if you went for that level of acrylic but I’d consider it for a piece of that value. I know that PFG recommend it for higher value pieces and do frame a lot of the Banksy pieces they see with it.
Yep, the acrylic option is £1k or £1.2k (inclusive of VAT) depending on whether it’s a wooden or aluminium frame. Glass is £600 or £800 or so for equivalents. I will probably go for acrylic if only to minimise risk of damage by toddlers, but I feel like there has to be more to the decision than that!
I enquired about optimum acrylic for my Welcome Mat and it was £500-600 more expensive than museum glass. HM pieces are generally really big so would expect a hefty bill if you went for that level of acrylic but I’d consider it for a piece of that value. I know that PFG recommend it for higher value pieces and do frame a lot of the Banksy pieces they see with it. Yep, the acrylic option is £1k or £1.2k (inclusive of VAT) depending on whether it’s a wooden or aluminium frame. Glass is £600 or £800 or so for equivalents. I will probably go for acrylic if only to minimise risk of damage by toddlers, but I feel like there has to be more to the decision than that! |
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Glass v Acrylic, by mrizzle on Nov 11, 2020 22:13:26 GMT 1, I enquired about optimum acrylic for my Welcome Mat and it was £500-600 more expensive than museum glass. HM pieces are generally really big so would expect a hefty bill if you went for that level of acrylic but I’d consider it for a piece of that value. I know that PFG recommend it for higher value pieces and do frame a lot of the Banksy pieces they see with it. Yep, the acrylic option is £1k or £1.2k (inclusive of VAT) depending on whether it’s a wooden or aluminium frame. Glass is £600 or £800 or so for equivalents. I will probably go for acrylic if only to minimise risk of damage by toddlers, but I feel like there has to be more to the decision than that!
I enquired about optimum acrylic for my Welcome Mat and it was £500-600 more expensive than museum glass. HM pieces are generally really big so would expect a hefty bill if you went for that level of acrylic but I’d consider it for a piece of that value. I know that PFG recommend it for higher value pieces and do frame a lot of the Banksy pieces they see with it. Yep, the acrylic option is £1k or £1.2k (inclusive of VAT) depending on whether it’s a wooden or aluminium frame. Glass is £600 or £800 or so for equivalents. I will probably go for acrylic if only to minimise risk of damage by toddlers, but I feel like there has to be more to the decision than that! I queried the benefits in a post by PFG so this was what was highlighted to me. I think it does come down to weight and the fact that it won’t shatter, thus offering greater protection to the art beneath should it fall or become in some way compromised. |
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Glass v Acrylic, by Horatio Nelson on Nov 11, 2020 22:39:36 GMT 1, Interesting, well that settles it!
Interesting, well that settles it!
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Glass v Acrylic, by charliec2701 on Nov 12, 2020 0:03:34 GMT 1, It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces.
For Thought After Filthy Thought both Darbyshire and my preferred framer both refused to use museum glass due to the weight and the fact it was going to be positioned in a place where children pass, frequent and could therefore effectively knock it.
Their recommendation of Optium acrylic was the best solution albeit at a cost of over £2000 ....
It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces.
For Thought After Filthy Thought both Darbyshire and my preferred framer both refused to use museum glass due to the weight and the fact it was going to be positioned in a place where children pass, frequent and could therefore effectively knock it.
Their recommendation of Optium acrylic was the best solution albeit at a cost of over £2000 ....
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Glass v Acrylic, by mrizzle on Nov 12, 2020 0:11:10 GMT 1, It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces. For Thought After Filthy Thought both Darbyshire and my preferred framer both refused to use museum glass due to the weight and the fact it was going to be positioned in a place where children pass, frequent and could therefore effectively knock it. Their recommendation of Optium acrylic was the best solution albeit at a cost of over £2000 ....
Wow..!! Not going to lie, that bill would have terrified me...and yet I know I’d have paid it.
I absolutely adore Thought After Filthy Thought and wonder if you’d mind sharing an image of yours framed? I would love to see it!!
I bought Jameson Robinson’s Thought After... inspired penguin piece from his recent show at Waluso. Just waiting for it to arrive but that’s the closest I’ll ever get to the HM piece I think! Enjoy every moment of it. Such an awesome piece!!
It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces. For Thought After Filthy Thought both Darbyshire and my preferred framer both refused to use museum glass due to the weight and the fact it was going to be positioned in a place where children pass, frequent and could therefore effectively knock it. Their recommendation of Optium acrylic was the best solution albeit at a cost of over £2000 .... Wow..!! Not going to lie, that bill would have terrified me...and yet I know I’d have paid it. I absolutely adore Thought After Filthy Thought and wonder if you’d mind sharing an image of yours framed? I would love to see it!! I bought Jameson Robinson’s Thought After... inspired penguin piece from his recent show at Waluso. Just waiting for it to arrive but that’s the closest I’ll ever get to the HM piece I think! Enjoy every moment of it. Such an awesome piece!! |
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Glass v Acrylic, by charliec2701 on Nov 12, 2020 0:34:54 GMT 1, It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces. For Thought After Filthy Thought both Darbyshire and my preferred framer both refused to use museum glass due to the weight and the fact it was going to be positioned in a place where children pass, frequent and could therefore effectively knock it. Their recommendation of Optium acrylic was the best solution albeit at a cost of over £2000 .... Wow..!! Not going to lie, that bill would have terrified me...and yet I know I’d have paid it. I absolutely adore Thought After Filthy Thought and wonder if you’d mind sharing an image of yours framed? I would love to see it!! I bought Jameson Robinson’s Thought After... inspired penguin piece from his recent show at Waluso. Just waiting for it to arrive but that’s the closest I’ll ever get to the HM piece I think! Enjoy every moment of it. Such an awesome piece!!
Saw those brick pieces. Some are quite cool. The Mondrian and Thought After strike home !!
Look at the Harland Miller Framed thread and you’ll see the TAFT ...
It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces. For Thought After Filthy Thought both Darbyshire and my preferred framer both refused to use museum glass due to the weight and the fact it was going to be positioned in a place where children pass, frequent and could therefore effectively knock it. Their recommendation of Optium acrylic was the best solution albeit at a cost of over £2000 .... Wow..!! Not going to lie, that bill would have terrified me...and yet I know I’d have paid it. I absolutely adore Thought After Filthy Thought and wonder if you’d mind sharing an image of yours framed? I would love to see it!! I bought Jameson Robinson’s Thought After... inspired penguin piece from his recent show at Waluso. Just waiting for it to arrive but that’s the closest I’ll ever get to the HM piece I think! Enjoy every moment of it. Such an awesome piece!! Saw those brick pieces. Some are quite cool. The Mondrian and Thought After strike home !! Look at the Harland Miller Framed thread and you’ll see the TAFT ... |
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Glass v Acrylic, by mrizzle on Nov 12, 2020 0:54:05 GMT 1, Wow..!! Not going to lie, that bill would have terrified me...and yet I know I’d have paid it. I absolutely adore Thought After Filthy Thought and wonder if you’d mind sharing an image of yours framed? I would love to see it!! I bought Jameson Robinson’s Thought After... inspired penguin piece from his recent show at Waluso. Just waiting for it to arrive but that’s the closest I’ll ever get to the HM piece I think! Enjoy every moment of it. Such an awesome piece!! Saw those brick pieces. Some are quite cool. The Mondrian and Thought After strike home !! Look at the Harland Miller Framed thread and you’ll see the TAFT ...
I’m away to go check that thread out now!
Wow..!! Not going to lie, that bill would have terrified me...and yet I know I’d have paid it. I absolutely adore Thought After Filthy Thought and wonder if you’d mind sharing an image of yours framed? I would love to see it!! I bought Jameson Robinson’s Thought After... inspired penguin piece from his recent show at Waluso. Just waiting for it to arrive but that’s the closest I’ll ever get to the HM piece I think! Enjoy every moment of it. Such an awesome piece!! Saw those brick pieces. Some are quite cool. The Mondrian and Thought After strike home !! Look at the Harland Miller Framed thread and you’ll see the TAFT ... I’m away to go check that thread out now! |
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Glass v Acrylic, by John The Badgers on Nov 12, 2020 13:56:15 GMT 1, Interesting comments above.
With regards to Museum Glass/Museum Acrylic, do they offer the same levels of 'anti - reflectivity'?
Interesting comments above.
With regards to Museum Glass/Museum Acrylic, do they offer the same levels of 'anti - reflectivity'?
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Glass v Acrylic, by Pootle on Nov 12, 2020 17:42:51 GMT 1, There is also a difference between museum glass and laminated museum glass I believe.
When I have had quotes from Darbyshires - cheapest was museum glass, then optium and the most expensive was laminated museum glass (which does not shatter, but is heavy).
Optium acrylic and laminated museum glass at least have different optical qualities on reflected light (green vs. purple hues)
There is also a difference between museum glass and laminated museum glass I believe.
When I have had quotes from Darbyshires - cheapest was museum glass, then optium and the most expensive was laminated museum glass (which does not shatter, but is heavy).
Optium acrylic and laminated museum glass at least have different optical qualities on reflected light (green vs. purple hues)
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Glass v Acrylic, by robo on Nov 12, 2020 17:49:20 GMT 1, I use laminated museum glass throughout as recommended by Darbyshire. Advantages: cheaper than Optium, shatterproof so safe, extremely flat, best visual quality. Disadvantages: heavy.
You only need optium if weight is a problem; eg you are moving the artwork around a lot.
I use laminated museum glass throughout as recommended by Darbyshire. Advantages: cheaper than Optium, shatterproof so safe, extremely flat, best visual quality. Disadvantages: heavy.
You only need optium if weight is a problem; eg you are moving the artwork around a lot.
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Glass v Acrylic, by Pootle on Nov 12, 2020 18:21:36 GMT 1, I do the same - robo, for the same reasons
I do the same - robo, for the same reasons
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Glass v Acrylic, by robo on Nov 12, 2020 19:02:45 GMT 1, There is also a difference between museum glass and laminated museum glass I believe. When I have had quotes from Darbyshires - cheapest was museum glass, then optium and the most expensive was laminated museum glass (which does not shatter, but is heavy). Optium acrylic and laminated museum glass at least have different optical qualities on reflected light (green vs. purple hues)
Laminated medium glass should be cheaper than optium?
There is also a difference between museum glass and laminated museum glass I believe. When I have had quotes from Darbyshires - cheapest was museum glass, then optium and the most expensive was laminated museum glass (which does not shatter, but is heavy). Optium acrylic and laminated museum glass at least have different optical qualities on reflected light (green vs. purple hues) Laminated medium glass should be cheaper than optium? |
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Glass v Acrylic, by mrizzle on Nov 12, 2020 20:17:02 GMT 1, Interesting comments above. With regards to Museum Glass/Museum Acrylic, do they offer the same levels of 'anti - reflectivity'?
From their marketing blurb, “ Optium Acrylic®is a lightweight, anti-reflective, anti-static, clear-coated acrylic that provides greater security than traditional glazing. Optium Acrylic® products are manufactured utilizing a clear, hard-coated abrasion-resistant acrylic sheet. A magnetron sputtered thin film multi-layered anti-reflection coating is applied to both sides of the acrylic sheet using a patented Tru Vue® Optium® technology. The coating is engineered for demanding optical requirements, durability, and strength.”
Some helpful comparisons can be drawn from the ‘Products’ sections: www.museumglazing.com/index.html
Interesting comments above. With regards to Museum Glass/Museum Acrylic, do they offer the same levels of 'anti - reflectivity'? From their marketing blurb, “ Optium Acrylic®is a lightweight, anti-reflective, anti-static, clear-coated acrylic that provides greater security than traditional glazing. Optium Acrylic® products are manufactured utilizing a clear, hard-coated abrasion-resistant acrylic sheet. A magnetron sputtered thin film multi-layered anti-reflection coating is applied to both sides of the acrylic sheet using a patented Tru Vue® Optium® technology. The coating is engineered for demanding optical requirements, durability, and strength.” Some helpful comparisons can be drawn from the ‘Products’ sections: www.museumglazing.com/index.html |
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Glass v Acrylic, by robo on Nov 12, 2020 21:05:54 GMT 1, It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces.
I have to disagree with this. I have just framed the biggest print I own (larger than A0) with a highly reputable framer and they recommended I use laminated museum glass because it is safe, very high quality, actually thicker and flatter than Optium, and a lot cheaper! But it will be bl**dy heavy.
Framers recommending large sheets of Optium are making a lot of margin on that...
It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces. I have to disagree with this. I have just framed the biggest print I own (larger than A0) with a highly reputable framer and they recommended I use laminated museum glass because it is safe, very high quality, actually thicker and flatter than Optium, and a lot cheaper! But it will be bl**dy heavy. Framers recommending large sheets of Optium are making a lot of margin on that... |
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Glass v Acrylic, by charliec2701 on Nov 12, 2020 22:18:02 GMT 1, It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces. I have to disagree with this. I have just framed the biggest print I own (larger than A0) with a highly reputable framer and they recommended I use laminated museum glass because it is safe, very high quality, actually thicker and flatter than Optium, and a lot cheaper! But it will be bl**dy heavy. Framers recommending large sheets of Optium are making a lot of margin on that...
There’s a good margin on all aspects on framing I’d imagine?
I couldn’t do laminated glass as it’s ridiculously heavy. Even with integral split baton hanger I’d need to zone off entire rooms from 3 active kids who enjoy nothing better than sprinting from one room to another without a care in the world !!! Bouncing off walls before deciding to play basketball against any wall, shelf or framed work they think will be fun !! It’s amazing how many times one can walk into a room and think “that’s not straight?’ How come  ” ....
It also comes down to size. Reputable framers will not frame artwork in glass above a certain size. That size borders on Harlands bigger pieces. I have to disagree with this. I have just framed the biggest print I own (larger than A0) with a highly reputable framer and they recommended I use laminated museum glass because it is safe, very high quality, actually thicker and flatter than Optium, and a lot cheaper! But it will be bl**dy heavy. Framers recommending large sheets of Optium are making a lot of margin on that... There’s a good margin on all aspects on framing I’d imagine? I couldn’t do laminated glass as it’s ridiculously heavy. Even with integral split baton hanger I’d need to zone off entire rooms from 3 active kids who enjoy nothing better than sprinting from one room to another without a care in the world !!! Bouncing off walls before deciding to play basketball against any wall, shelf or framed work they think will be fun !! It’s amazing how many times one can walk into a room and think “that’s not straight?’ How come ” .... |
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Glass v Acrylic, by John The Badgers on Nov 13, 2020 20:05:29 GMT 1, Slightly off topic, but I like to frame small items, showcard's etc.
Cant justify professional framing so buy cheap small photo frames, then use a company that just supplies the Museum glass, mounts etc. Very cost effective, and using these materials, the results look great.
Slightly off topic, but I like to frame small items, showcard's etc.
Cant justify professional framing so buy cheap small photo frames, then use a company that just supplies the Museum glass, mounts etc. Very cost effective, and using these materials, the results look great.
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Glass v Acrylic, by Charlie Bronson on Nov 14, 2020 1:53:50 GMT 1, Depends on where you live. If your area is prone to earthquakes, acrylic is recommended.
Depends on where you live. If your area is prone to earthquakes, acrylic is recommended.
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Glass v Acrylic, by Pootle on Nov 16, 2020 15:16:44 GMT 1, There is also a difference between museum glass and laminated museum glass I believe. When I have had quotes from Darbyshires - cheapest was museum glass, then optium and the most expensive was laminated museum glass (which does not shatter, but is heavy). Optium acrylic and laminated museum glass at least have different optical qualities on reflected light (green vs. purple hues) Laminated medium glass should be cheaper than optium?
You are absolutely right - typo on my end. Optium is indeed more expensive vs. laminated
There is also a difference between museum glass and laminated museum glass I believe. When I have had quotes from Darbyshires - cheapest was museum glass, then optium and the most expensive was laminated museum glass (which does not shatter, but is heavy). Optium acrylic and laminated museum glass at least have different optical qualities on reflected light (green vs. purple hues) Laminated medium glass should be cheaper than optium? You are absolutely right - typo on my end. Optium is indeed more expensive vs. laminated |
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Glass v Acrylic, by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 15:35:18 GMT 1, Framed by Darbyshire using UV acrylic
Framed by Darbyshire using UV acrylic |
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Glass v Acrylic, by isbdellll on Nov 16, 2020 15:52:51 GMT 1, That frame is stunning!! Gosh lol 
That frame is stunning!! Gosh lol |
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Glass v Acrylic, by Horatio Nelson on Nov 16, 2020 18:03:17 GMT 1, Framed by Darbyshire using UV acrylic
Is that the AR or non-AR acrylic out of interest?
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