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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 15:53:07 GMT 1, Will probably regret this post but I would like to get some constructive criticism on my work as I'm struggling on direction at the moment. I didn't post my previous couple of prints on here as they were derivatives of other peoples works and I knew they would be frowned upon as un original, despite being different interpretations in my view.
I have never done much marketing and only just starting to grow my instagram followings but these proved quite popular and have sold better than my current Crazy Pablo prints. I received a lot of likes on Instagram but they didn't translate into sales. I thought they were more original (yes they have a basquiat crown but i'm aiming at popular culture as a theme) and I personally thought they looked quite good and had nice colours.
So what's wrong? is it subject matter? who doesn't want a nice drug lord for the kids room? :-)
Would it of made a difference if it was mickey mouse? Mickey seems to be constantly regurgitated and without damnation from the art police. Do I need to wait for my art to have a resale value before I can sell dancing Turds?
I have sold to lots of countries and have some loyal return customers from here and really appreciate the support. I do appreciate I am limiting my market with union jack images, but would appreciate some constructive comments overall which might help me find my niche. It's a lot of effort printing these myself and I enjoy doing it but I feel like I have to take my time on my next venture and will be less ambitious on edition sizes next time. I do tend to post some digital images on insta and try to gauge if any interest and if it would warrant a print, but not easy with only 300 followers. Perhaps I should concentrate on originals and stencils.
Will probably regret this post but I would like to get some constructive criticism on my work as I'm struggling on direction at the moment. I didn't post my previous couple of prints on here as they were derivatives of other peoples works and I knew they would be frowned upon as un original, despite being different interpretations in my view.
I have never done much marketing and only just starting to grow my instagram followings but these proved quite popular and have sold better than my current Crazy Pablo prints. I received a lot of likes on Instagram but they didn't translate into sales. I thought they were more original (yes they have a basquiat crown but i'm aiming at popular culture as a theme) and I personally thought they looked quite good and had nice colours.
So what's wrong? is it subject matter? who doesn't want a nice drug lord for the kids room? :-)
Would it of made a difference if it was mickey mouse? Mickey seems to be constantly regurgitated and without damnation from the art police. Do I need to wait for my art to have a resale value before I can sell dancing Turds?
I have sold to lots of countries and have some loyal return customers from here and really appreciate the support. I do appreciate I am limiting my market with union jack images, but would appreciate some constructive comments overall which might help me find my niche. It's a lot of effort printing these myself and I enjoy doing it but I feel like I have to take my time on my next venture and will be less ambitious on edition sizes next time. I do tend to post some digital images on insta and try to gauge if any interest and if it would warrant a print, but not easy with only 300 followers. Perhaps I should concentrate on originals and stencils.
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 16:08:51 GMT 1, in signature sir.
which one of us spelt derivative right?
in signature sir.
which one of us spelt derivative right?
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 16:09:28 GMT 1, He's linked to Instagram and his site.
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Constructive Criticism, by cest on Nov 12, 2020 16:21:24 GMT 1, I liked your last print... that is all you should care about
I liked your last print... that is all you should care about
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 16:27:02 GMT 1, Thanks appreciated, But not enough to buy it :-) If everyone who liked it on insta bought one it would of sold out multiple times
That's another point I would hope pricing is fair. Generally £40. Asylum Seeker sold well at £40 for an edition of 55 but blue edition on 10 for £60 didnt. Not sure if considered over priced or just not as popular colour.
Thanks appreciated, But not enough to buy it :-) If everyone who liked it on insta bought one it would of sold out multiple times
That's another point I would hope pricing is fair. Generally £40. Asylum Seeker sold well at £40 for an edition of 55 but blue edition on 10 for £60 didnt. Not sure if considered over priced or just not as popular colour.
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 16:28:21 GMT 1, I'll preface this by saying I don't know anything about anything, but I think you've put yourself in a tricky area. If you've decided you want to focus your art on subverting pop culture images, you're in a very crowded market. It's kind of the go-to for most street-influenced artists. If you're going to stand out you need really original, witty ideas.
Pablo Escobar in a Basquiat crown doesn't really mean anything to me. I could be missing something, but I don't see what association you're making there. I like the Pacman ghost among the Space Invaders better. I like that it's called Asylum Seeker. There's a smart idea there. I think that Union Jack piece has got a good idea behind it too.
If you're going to do pop culture imagery, I reckon you could push your ideas further. Something like Banksy's Banksquiat grabs me because it has layers of interpretation. It's a really considered idea (I know it's a high bar to say, 'Be like Banksy!').
All that said, you should do whatever you want to do. If you focus on trying to make art that will sell easily, you probably won't end up producing great stuff. The most important thing is making work you think is good. There are plenty of artists talked about on here who were selling their work for about £50 a couple of years ago - Mark Drew, Mr Doodle (not an example I respect, but he's successful), etc. - and are now doing well. Their work didn't sell out immediately. But they stuck with what they wanted to do.
I'll preface this by saying I don't know anything about anything, but I think you've put yourself in a tricky area. If you've decided you want to focus your art on subverting pop culture images, you're in a very crowded market. It's kind of the go-to for most street-influenced artists. If you're going to stand out you need really original, witty ideas.
Pablo Escobar in a Basquiat crown doesn't really mean anything to me. I could be missing something, but I don't see what association you're making there. I like the Pacman ghost among the Space Invaders better. I like that it's called Asylum Seeker. There's a smart idea there. I think that Union Jack piece has got a good idea behind it too.
If you're going to do pop culture imagery, I reckon you could push your ideas further. Something like Banksy's Banksquiat grabs me because it has layers of interpretation. It's a really considered idea (I know it's a high bar to say, 'Be like Banksy!').
All that said, you should do whatever you want to do. If you focus on trying to make art that will sell easily, you probably won't end up producing great stuff. The most important thing is making work you think is good. There are plenty of artists talked about on here who were selling their work for about £50 a couple of years ago - Mark Drew, Mr Doodle (not an example I respect, but he's successful), etc. - and are now doing well. Their work didn't sell out immediately. But they stuck with what they wanted to do.
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Constructive Criticism, by Ravnur 2020 on Nov 12, 2020 16:38:48 GMT 1, Spot on Whatilike! Especially the last paragraph.
Spot on Whatilike! Especially the last paragraph.
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Constructive Criticism, by Carl Cashman Art on Nov 12, 2020 16:40:25 GMT 1, Just keep making what you enjoy, making new work and pushing on. Not everything has to be for sale as an edition or sell out instantly. Trying to meet market demands will only have you chasing money, rather than finding your own voice and style.
Keep on keeping on dude, stop worrying about sales and make art you love 🤜🤛
Just keep making what you enjoy, making new work and pushing on. Not everything has to be for sale as an edition or sell out instantly. Trying to meet market demands will only have you chasing money, rather than finding your own voice and style.
Keep on keeping on dude, stop worrying about sales and make art you love 🤜🤛
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Constructive Criticism, by sbash on Nov 12, 2020 16:42:16 GMT 1, Nicely said Whatilike.
For my two pence, don't expect results overnight. It takes time to build a reputation and indeed a 'style' that is importantly your style, something unique to you. That will come in time as you produce more work, you will find something that you're comfortable with and also something that the wider public will engage with.
Keep at it, sounds like you're doing the right thing.
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Nicely said Whatilike.
For my two pence, don't expect results overnight. It takes time to build a reputation and indeed a 'style' that is importantly your style, something unique to you. That will come in time as you produce more work, you will find something that you're comfortable with and also something that the wider public will engage with.
Keep at it, sounds like you're doing the right thing.
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 16:46:41 GMT 1, I'll preface this by saying I don't know anything about anything, but I think you've put yourself in a tricky area. If you've decided you want to focus your art on subverting pop culture images, you're in a very crowded market. It's kind of the go-to for most street-influenced artists. If you're going to stand out you need really original, witty ideas. Pablo Escobar in a Basquiat crown doesn't really mean anything to me. I could be missing something, but I don't see what association you're making there. I like the Pacman ghost among the Space Invaders better. I like that it's called Asylum Seeker. There's a smart idea there. I think that Union Jack piece has got a good idea behind it too. If you're going to do pop culture imagery, I reckon you could push your ideas further. Something like Banksy's Basquiat grabs me because it's got layers of interpretation. It's a really considered idea (I know it's a high bar to say, 'Be like Banksy!'). All that said, you should do whatever you want to do. If you focus on trying to make art that will sell easily, you probably won't up producing great stuff. The most important thing is making work you think is good. There are plenty of artists talked about on here who were selling their work for about £50 a couple of years ago - Mark Drew, Mr Doodle (not an example I respect, but he's successful), etc. - and are now doing well. Their work didn't sell out immediately. But they stuck with what they wanted to do.
Interested in peoples thoughts on the importance of the art having a message. i'm personally drawn to the look of an image more than a message but yes I wouldn't want a cat with a cucumber on its head on my wall. I'm also not in for some of the pretentious messages that some artists portray. "Yes it's representing the struggle between man and nature and the power of existencilism.
Good feedback as I had a few similar ideas with famous faces. I'll think again.
I'll preface this by saying I don't know anything about anything, but I think you've put yourself in a tricky area. If you've decided you want to focus your art on subverting pop culture images, you're in a very crowded market. It's kind of the go-to for most street-influenced artists. If you're going to stand out you need really original, witty ideas. Pablo Escobar in a Basquiat crown doesn't really mean anything to me. I could be missing something, but I don't see what association you're making there. I like the Pacman ghost among the Space Invaders better. I like that it's called Asylum Seeker. There's a smart idea there. I think that Union Jack piece has got a good idea behind it too. If you're going to do pop culture imagery, I reckon you could push your ideas further. Something like Banksy's Basquiat grabs me because it's got layers of interpretation. It's a really considered idea (I know it's a high bar to say, 'Be like Banksy!'). All that said, you should do whatever you want to do. If you focus on trying to make art that will sell easily, you probably won't up producing great stuff. The most important thing is making work you think is good. There are plenty of artists talked about on here who were selling their work for about £50 a couple of years ago - Mark Drew, Mr Doodle (not an example I respect, but he's successful), etc. - and are now doing well. Their work didn't sell out immediately. But they stuck with what they wanted to do. Thank you. Yes there wasnt much of a story to pablo to be fair, just that he struck me as crazy and hence the eyes and stupid hat. Who doesn't want hippos in their garden pond? Interested in peoples thoughts on the importance of the art having a message. i'm personally drawn to the look of an image more than a message but yes I wouldn't want a cat with a cucumber on its head on my wall. I'm also not in for some of the pretentious messages that some artists portray. "Yes it's representing the struggle between man and nature and the power of existencilism. Good feedback as I had a few similar ideas with famous faces. I'll think again. |
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Constructive Criticism, by startimeash on Nov 12, 2020 16:49:17 GMT 1, Really like Asylum Seeker and Change of Allegiance. The rest doesn't do it for me. But I honestly know nothing, and like a lot of others have said, make what you like. You've made the step from talking to doing, which is the main thing. Have fun with it, and don't try to do what you think is going to sell. If you like it, at least that's one person who does, and that's what's important!
Really like Asylum Seeker and Change of Allegiance. The rest doesn't do it for me. But I honestly know nothing, and like a lot of others have said, make what you like. You've made the step from talking to doing, which is the main thing. Have fun with it, and don't try to do what you think is going to sell. If you like it, at least that's one person who does, and that's what's important!
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 16:50:17 GMT 1, Just to add I am still trying to find my niche as you can probably tell from the varying subjects and I need to steer away from the copyright infringing type art and be more original but I do need to think what sells as its not cheap for me to do a print.
Just to add I am still trying to find my niche as you can probably tell from the varying subjects and I need to steer away from the copyright infringing type art and be more original but I do need to think what sells as its not cheap for me to do a print.
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Constructive Criticism, by ecomwizard on Nov 12, 2020 16:52:33 GMT 1, Hey Stender,
Brave of you to ask for criticism but it's definitely a necessary part of the process in figuring out what your target market would want to buy.
I think it's best practice as a new artist to only make originals to start. Spend hours on each one, nit pick and modify each one until you are satisfied with it as a finished product. You may go through a lot of ideas and only want to publish the best ones to your website and instagram.
Try to sell originals to start at a reasonable price. If people like it and it's good value then they will buy it. You need to sell out of originals to up your price and your versions.
You'll then get to a point where you will get a fanbase and they will request what prints to make based on which originals they wish they got when they sold out earlier. Personally I would get away from mimicking any other artist. I understand it pastiche but you need to make your own content with your own messages.
As a buyer I would much rather have an original from a new artist then some overpriced high volumed print.
All the best on the climb, enjoy this time in your career to try different ideas and find your style.
Hey Stender,
Brave of you to ask for criticism but it's definitely a necessary part of the process in figuring out what your target market would want to buy.
I think it's best practice as a new artist to only make originals to start. Spend hours on each one, nit pick and modify each one until you are satisfied with it as a finished product. You may go through a lot of ideas and only want to publish the best ones to your website and instagram.
Try to sell originals to start at a reasonable price. If people like it and it's good value then they will buy it. You need to sell out of originals to up your price and your versions.
You'll then get to a point where you will get a fanbase and they will request what prints to make based on which originals they wish they got when they sold out earlier. Personally I would get away from mimicking any other artist. I understand it pastiche but you need to make your own content with your own messages.
As a buyer I would much rather have an original from a new artist then some overpriced high volumed print.
All the best on the climb, enjoy this time in your career to try different ideas and find your style.
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 16:53:03 GMT 1, Really like Asylum Seeker and Change of Allegiance. The rest doesn't do it for me. But I honestly know nothing, and like a lot of others have said, make what you like. You've made the step from talking to doing, which is the main thing. Have fun with it, and don't try to do what you think is going to sell. If you like it, at least that's one person who does, and that's what's important!
I did do what I like in the pablo. I really like them. Remind me a bit of Mona Simpson for some reason and I really liked that print. Just trying to understand why others dont.
Like i said lot of people like it on instagram and that wasnt people who follow me so not a just being nice like.
I think they are low priced so that hopefully isnt an issue.
Really like Asylum Seeker and Change of Allegiance. The rest doesn't do it for me. But I honestly know nothing, and like a lot of others have said, make what you like. You've made the step from talking to doing, which is the main thing. Have fun with it, and don't try to do what you think is going to sell. If you like it, at least that's one person who does, and that's what's important! You know what you like. That's all that matters. I did do what I like in the pablo. I really like them. Remind me a bit of Mona Simpson for some reason and I really liked that print. Just trying to understand why others dont. Like i said lot of people like it on instagram and that wasnt people who follow me so not a just being nice like. I think they are low priced so that hopefully isnt an issue. |
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Constructive Criticism, by Carl Cashman Art on Nov 12, 2020 17:01:48 GMT 1, Just to add I am still trying to find my niche as you can probably tell from the varying subjects and I need to steer away from the copyright infringing type art and be more original but I do need to think what sells as its not cheap for me to do a print.
If you have a 9-5 job, use this to fund your Art. If you have kids its tough, treat it as a hobby and keep it fun.. dont put pressure on yourself of having to sellout every drop. I can literally go months without selling art and then have a run which funds the next 1/4 of the year.
Most artists sell nothing at all unfortunately and purely make art for the love.
Just to add I am still trying to find my niche as you can probably tell from the varying subjects and I need to steer away from the copyright infringing type art and be more original but I do need to think what sells as its not cheap for me to do a print. I think you may be doing it the wrong way round by thinking of saleability first. Get yourself a cheap screenprint set up, or make one.. you can get a set up together for a couple hundred pounds or less. 1in 20 ideas will work, either reuse the rest, archive or bin them. If you have a 9-5 job, use this to fund your Art. If you have kids its tough, treat it as a hobby and keep it fun.. dont put pressure on yourself of having to sellout every drop. I can literally go months without selling art and then have a run which funds the next 1/4 of the year. Most artists sell nothing at all unfortunately and purely make art for the love. |
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Constructive Criticism, by Dive Jedi on Nov 12, 2020 17:02:24 GMT 1, Will probably regret this post but I would like to get some constructive criticism on my work as I'm struggling on direction at the moment. I didn't post my previous couple of prints on here as they were derivatives of other peoples works and I knew they would be frowned upon as un original, despite being different interpretations in my view. I have never done much marketing and only just starting to grow my instagram followings but these proved quite popular and have sold better than my current Crazy Pablo prints. I received a lot of likes on Instagram but they didn't translate into sales. I thought they were more original (yes they have a basquiat crown but i'm aiming at popular culture as a theme) and I personally thought they looked quite good and had nice colours. So what's wrong? is it subject matter? who doesn't want a nice drug lord for the kids room? :-) Would it of made a difference if it was mickey mouse? Mickey seems to be constantly regurgitated and without damnation from the art police. Do I need to wait for my art to have a resale value before I can sell dancing Turds? I have sold to lots of countries and have some loyal return customers from here and really appreciate the support. I do appreciate I am limiting my market with union jack images, but would appreciate some constructive comments overall which might help me find my niche. It's a lot of effort printing these myself and I enjoy doing it but I feel like I have to take my time on my next venture and will be less ambitious on edition sizes next time. I do tend to post some digital images on insta and try to gauge if any interest and if it would warrant a print, but not easy with only 300 followers. Perhaps I should concentrate on originals and stencils.
People click away.... I like the Asylum pieces as well. Fair pricing too on proper paper.
Be happy you sell prints at 40 or 50 quid.
My original canvasses don't sell for 100. But I don't complain. (Well, I do.. but not here)
I'm glad you notice the regurgitation of Mickey Mouse and other Mr Brainfairt wannabees.
Don't go that way. Or do, what do I care..... I wouldn't. It's pathetic. Don't be pathetic.
Make your own stuff. Pablo with a crown? Why ??
He's a mass murderer. Would you put that on your wall?
I really like those Slide Puzzles. Not sure if that has been done before or is your idea.
If it is, good for you. It's cool. Now make something original with it. Not with a ska group.
Bottomline for me: make stuff that you like and need to make.
Not because you think it will sell.
I've spent days and days on pieces that sold for 60 quid. That's like 12 quid a day.
I thought it was brilliant. Still do. Nobody else cares. That's fine.
Someone spend 60 pounds of his money on it though. Cool! Enjoy it. I enjoyed making it.
There should be a wise closing argument here, but I just got back from the gym,
so I'm too tired.....
Will probably regret this post but I would like to get some constructive criticism on my work as I'm struggling on direction at the moment. I didn't post my previous couple of prints on here as they were derivatives of other peoples works and I knew they would be frowned upon as un original, despite being different interpretations in my view. I have never done much marketing and only just starting to grow my instagram followings but these proved quite popular and have sold better than my current Crazy Pablo prints. I received a lot of likes on Instagram but they didn't translate into sales. I thought they were more original (yes they have a basquiat crown but i'm aiming at popular culture as a theme) and I personally thought they looked quite good and had nice colours. So what's wrong? is it subject matter? who doesn't want a nice drug lord for the kids room? :-) Would it of made a difference if it was mickey mouse? Mickey seems to be constantly regurgitated and without damnation from the art police. Do I need to wait for my art to have a resale value before I can sell dancing Turds? I have sold to lots of countries and have some loyal return customers from here and really appreciate the support. I do appreciate I am limiting my market with union jack images, but would appreciate some constructive comments overall which might help me find my niche. It's a lot of effort printing these myself and I enjoy doing it but I feel like I have to take my time on my next venture and will be less ambitious on edition sizes next time. I do tend to post some digital images on insta and try to gauge if any interest and if it would warrant a print, but not easy with only 300 followers. Perhaps I should concentrate on originals and stencils. Yeah, well.... if I had a Euro for every like on Instagram I would have like........ 17 euro..... People click away.... I like the Asylum pieces as well. Fair pricing too on proper paper. Be happy you sell prints at 40 or 50 quid. My original canvasses don't sell for 100. But I don't complain. (Well, I do.. but not here) I'm glad you notice the regurgitation of Mickey Mouse and other Mr Brainfairt wannabees. Don't go that way. Or do, what do I care..... I wouldn't. It's pathetic. Don't be pathetic. Make your own stuff. Pablo with a crown? Why ?? He's a mass murderer. Would you put that on your wall? I really like those Slide Puzzles. Not sure if that has been done before or is your idea. If it is, good for you. It's cool. Now make something original with it. Not with a ska group. Bottomline for me: make stuff that you like and need to make. Not because you think it will sell. I've spent days and days on pieces that sold for 60 quid. That's like 12 quid a day. I thought it was brilliant. Still do. Nobody else cares. That's fine. Someone spend 60 pounds of his money on it though. Cool! Enjoy it. I enjoyed making it. There should be a wise closing argument here, but I just got back from the gym, so I'm too tired..... |
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Constructive Criticism, by Nuno on Nov 12, 2020 17:03:12 GMT 1, Just to add I am still trying to find my niche as you can probably tell from the varying subjects and I need to steer away from the copyright infringing type art and be more original but I do need to think what sells as its not cheap for me to do a print. I think you may be doing it the wrong way round by thinking of saleability first. Get yourself a cheap screenprint set up, or make one.. you can get a set up together for a couple hundred pounds or less. 1in 20 ideas will work, either reuse the rest, archive or bin them. If you have a 9-5 job, use this to fund your Art. If you have kids its tough, treat it as a hobby and keep it fun.. dont put pressure on yourself of having to sellout every drop
☝️Sounds like very sensible advice.
Just to add I am still trying to find my niche as you can probably tell from the varying subjects and I need to steer away from the copyright infringing type art and be more original but I do need to think what sells as its not cheap for me to do a print. I think you may be doing it the wrong way round by thinking of saleability first. Get yourself a cheap screenprint set up, or make one.. you can get a set up together for a couple hundred pounds or less. 1in 20 ideas will work, either reuse the rest, archive or bin them. If you have a 9-5 job, use this to fund your Art. If you have kids its tough, treat it as a hobby and keep it fun.. dont put pressure on yourself of having to sellout every drop ☝️Sounds like very sensible advice. |
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 17:08:29 GMT 1, Hey Stender, Brave of you to ask for criticism but it's definitely a necessary part of the process in figuring out what your target market would want to buy. I think it's best practice as a new artist to only make originals to start. Spend hours on each one, nit pick and modify each one until you are satisfied with it as a finished product. You may go through a lot of ideas and only want to publish the best ones to your website and instagram. Try to sell originals to start at a reasonable price. If people like it and it's good value then they will buy it. You need to sell out of originals to up your price and your versions. You'll then get to a point where you will get a fanbase and they will request what prints to make based on which originals they wish they got when they sold out earlier. Personally I would get away from mimicking any other artist. I understand it pastiche but you need to make your own content with your own messages. As a buyer I would much rather have an original from a new artist then some overpriced high volumed print. All the best on the climb, enjoy this time in your career to try different ideas and find your style.
Hey Stender, Brave of you to ask for criticism but it's definitely a necessary part of the process in figuring out what your target market would want to buy. I think it's best practice as a new artist to only make originals to start. Spend hours on each one, nit pick and modify each one until you are satisfied with it as a finished product. You may go through a lot of ideas and only want to publish the best ones to your website and instagram. Try to sell originals to start at a reasonable price. If people like it and it's good value then they will buy it. You need to sell out of originals to up your price and your versions. You'll then get to a point where you will get a fanbase and they will request what prints to make based on which originals they wish they got when they sold out earlier. Personally I would get away from mimicking any other artist. I understand it pastiche but you need to make your own content with your own messages. As a buyer I would much rather have an original from a new artist then some overpriced high volumed print. All the best on the climb, enjoy this time in your career to try different ideas and find your style. Totally Agree. Problem is i'm not that talented. I'm a digital person and it doesn't really translate to canvas that easily. Im trying not to go down the giclee print route as well. Funny enough I screen printed a couple of Pablos onto canvas which I was planning to leaf and paint. Not sure i'll bother now :-) |
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Constructive Criticism, by Ravnur 2020 on Nov 12, 2020 17:15:26 GMT 1, Hi Stender
I like the Asylum Seeker and the Slider. They both use very familiar imagery, but in a different way and I like the underlaying humor and seriousness one can read into the images at the same time.
An image with no underlying thought, message, humor etc does not do it for me and i would not want to buy it to hang on my wall.
Do what you love, find your voice and style, participate in group shows, hit the streets and have fun (you probably have heard this many times over :-)).
Good luck with it!
Hi Stender
I like the Asylum Seeker and the Slider. They both use very familiar imagery, but in a different way and I like the underlaying humor and seriousness one can read into the images at the same time.
An image with no underlying thought, message, humor etc does not do it for me and i would not want to buy it to hang on my wall.
Do what you love, find your voice and style, participate in group shows, hit the streets and have fun (you probably have heard this many times over :-)).
Good luck with it!
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 17:16:20 GMT 1, Will probably regret this post but I would like to get some constructive criticism on my work as I'm struggling on direction at the moment. I didn't post my previous couple of prints on here as they were derivatives of other peoples works and I knew they would be frowned upon as un original, despite being different interpretations in my view. I have never done much marketing and only just starting to grow my instagram followings but these proved quite popular and have sold better than my current Crazy Pablo prints. I received a lot of likes on Instagram but they didn't translate into sales. I thought they were more original (yes they have a basquiat crown but i'm aiming at popular culture as a theme) and I personally thought they looked quite good and had nice colours. So what's wrong? is it subject matter? who doesn't want a nice drug lord for the kids room? :-) Would it of made a difference if it was mickey mouse? Mickey seems to be constantly regurgitated and without damnation from the art police. Do I need to wait for my art to have a resale value before I can sell dancing Turds? I have sold to lots of countries and have some loyal return customers from here and really appreciate the support. I do appreciate I am limiting my market with union jack images, but would appreciate some constructive comments overall which might help me find my niche. It's a lot of effort printing these myself and I enjoy doing it but I feel like I have to take my time on my next venture and will be less ambitious on edition sizes next time. I do tend to post some digital images on insta and try to gauge if any interest and if it would warrant a print, but not easy with only 300 followers. Perhaps I should concentrate on originals and stencils. Yeah, well.... if I had a Euro for every like on Instagram I would have like........ 17 euro..... People click away.... I like the Asylum pieces as well. Fair pricing too on proper paper. Be happy you sell prints at 40 or 50 quid. My original canvasses don't sell for 100. But I don't complain. (Well, I do.. but not here) I'm glad you notice the regurgitation of Mickey Mouse and other Mr Brainfairt wannabees. Don't go that way. Or do, what do I care..... I wouldn't. It's pathetic. Don't be pathetic. Make your own stuff. Pablo with a crown? Why ?? He's a mass murderer. Would you put that on your wall? I really like those Slide Puzzles. Not sure if that has been done before or is your idea. If it is, good for you. It's cool. Now make something original with it. Not with a ska group. Bottomline for me: make stuff that you like and need to make. Not because you think it will sell. I've spent days and days on pieces that sold for 60 quid. That's like 12 quid a day. I thought it was brilliant. Still do. Nobody else cares. That's fine. Someone spend 60 pounds of his money on it though. Cool! Enjoy it. I enjoyed making it. There should be a wise closing argument here, but I just got back from the gym, so I'm too tired.....
yes is the issue it's Pablo? I get the point. I wouldnt want hitler on my wall. I also personally wont put swearing on my wall as I have kids. It was close to being Marty Feldman but I Thought that was a bit niche.
The slider puzzles were something I loved as a kid and the idea come from those. These were originally called brexit good (colour) and brexit bad (b+w) and supposed to represent how confused we were with what brexit was and that some thought it good and some bad. They didnt sell to my 10 followers and time moved on so I just renamed as brexit was old news.
Will probably regret this post but I would like to get some constructive criticism on my work as I'm struggling on direction at the moment. I didn't post my previous couple of prints on here as they were derivatives of other peoples works and I knew they would be frowned upon as un original, despite being different interpretations in my view. I have never done much marketing and only just starting to grow my instagram followings but these proved quite popular and have sold better than my current Crazy Pablo prints. I received a lot of likes on Instagram but they didn't translate into sales. I thought they were more original (yes they have a basquiat crown but i'm aiming at popular culture as a theme) and I personally thought they looked quite good and had nice colours. So what's wrong? is it subject matter? who doesn't want a nice drug lord for the kids room? :-) Would it of made a difference if it was mickey mouse? Mickey seems to be constantly regurgitated and without damnation from the art police. Do I need to wait for my art to have a resale value before I can sell dancing Turds? I have sold to lots of countries and have some loyal return customers from here and really appreciate the support. I do appreciate I am limiting my market with union jack images, but would appreciate some constructive comments overall which might help me find my niche. It's a lot of effort printing these myself and I enjoy doing it but I feel like I have to take my time on my next venture and will be less ambitious on edition sizes next time. I do tend to post some digital images on insta and try to gauge if any interest and if it would warrant a print, but not easy with only 300 followers. Perhaps I should concentrate on originals and stencils. Yeah, well.... if I had a Euro for every like on Instagram I would have like........ 17 euro..... People click away.... I like the Asylum pieces as well. Fair pricing too on proper paper. Be happy you sell prints at 40 or 50 quid. My original canvasses don't sell for 100. But I don't complain. (Well, I do.. but not here) I'm glad you notice the regurgitation of Mickey Mouse and other Mr Brainfairt wannabees. Don't go that way. Or do, what do I care..... I wouldn't. It's pathetic. Don't be pathetic. Make your own stuff. Pablo with a crown? Why ?? He's a mass murderer. Would you put that on your wall? I really like those Slide Puzzles. Not sure if that has been done before or is your idea. If it is, good for you. It's cool. Now make something original with it. Not with a ska group. Bottomline for me: make stuff that you like and need to make. Not because you think it will sell. I've spent days and days on pieces that sold for 60 quid. That's like 12 quid a day. I thought it was brilliant. Still do. Nobody else cares. That's fine. Someone spend 60 pounds of his money on it though. Cool! Enjoy it. I enjoyed making it. There should be a wise closing argument here, but I just got back from the gym, so I'm too tired..... LOl. yes is the issue it's Pablo? I get the point. I wouldnt want hitler on my wall. I also personally wont put swearing on my wall as I have kids. It was close to being Marty Feldman but I Thought that was a bit niche. The slider puzzles were something I loved as a kid and the idea come from those. These were originally called brexit good (colour) and brexit bad (b+w) and supposed to represent how confused we were with what brexit was and that some thought it good and some bad. They didnt sell to my 10 followers and time moved on so I just renamed as brexit was old news. |
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Constructive Criticism, by vvk on Nov 12, 2020 17:17:39 GMT 1, that pablo print is pretty cool. great work
that pablo print is pretty cool. great work
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Constructive Criticism, by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 17:21:45 GMT 1, Just to add I am still trying to find my niche as you can probably tell from the varying subjects and I need to steer away from the copyright infringing type art and be more original but I do need to think what sells as its not cheap for me to do a print. I think you may be doing it the wrong way round by thinking of saleability first. Get yourself a cheap screenprint set up, or make one.. you can get a set up together for a couple hundred pounds or less. 1in 20 ideas will work, either reuse the rest, archive or bin them. If you have a 9-5 job, use this to fund your Art. If you have kids its tough, treat it as a hobby and keep it fun.. dont put pressure on yourself of having to sellout every drop. I can literally go months without selling art and then have a run which funds the next 1/4 of the year. Most artists sell nothing at all unfortunately and purely make art for the love.
I do have a full time job and have a hours drive to a studio which is booked up most of the time. As said I really should be doing originals before editions but not that easy, and as you will know screenprinting isnt for a few prints. But luckily I dont do this for the money and have a well paid job (for now). But its the sales that tell me people really like my work, whereas a click doesn't. Yes I like it if its free.
Just to add I am still trying to find my niche as you can probably tell from the varying subjects and I need to steer away from the copyright infringing type art and be more original but I do need to think what sells as its not cheap for me to do a print. I think you may be doing it the wrong way round by thinking of saleability first. Get yourself a cheap screenprint set up, or make one.. you can get a set up together for a couple hundred pounds or less. 1in 20 ideas will work, either reuse the rest, archive or bin them. If you have a 9-5 job, use this to fund your Art. If you have kids its tough, treat it as a hobby and keep it fun.. dont put pressure on yourself of having to sellout every drop. I can literally go months without selling art and then have a run which funds the next 1/4 of the year. Most artists sell nothing at all unfortunately and purely make art for the love. Not listening to you Carl, you're too talented. Go paint a funnel. I do have a full time job and have a hours drive to a studio which is booked up most of the time. As said I really should be doing originals before editions but not that easy, and as you will know screenprinting isnt for a few prints. But luckily I dont do this for the money and have a well paid job (for now). But its the sales that tell me people really like my work, whereas a click doesn't. Yes I like it if its free. |
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Constructive Criticism, by tab1 on Nov 12, 2020 17:24:53 GMT 1, Subject matter big point here
Fun image associated with trendy drug use for some , which celebrities , professionals , city traders , hipsters partake in social use but then the not so glamorous side , broken family’s , burglary’s , crime , killings , mental health issues from cocaine use which the image is associated to
the subject matter was a narco terrorist and has caused the troubles in Mexico now With cartels and isis type killings , Joaquin Guzman started working for Pablo early in his carer .
Displaying Pablo as a king what would this display Or type of statement send to guests or strangers entering your home ?
Pablo was a interesting character and life he lived but the legacy he left and problems on the world that stemmed from his entrepreneurial business not everyone agrees upon
To some this subject matter is a grey area and would be like having a picture of jimmy saville , Rolf Harris , denis Nielsen displayed
www.stender.co.uk/index.php/2020/11/10/crazy-pablo-hand-finished-edition/
Subject matter big point here Fun image associated with trendy drug use for some , which celebrities , professionals , city traders , hipsters partake in social use but then the not so glamorous side , broken family’s , burglary’s , crime , killings , mental health issues from cocaine use which the image is associated to the subject matter was a narco terrorist and has caused the troubles in Mexico now With cartels and isis type killings , Joaquin Guzman started working for Pablo early in his carer . Displaying Pablo as a king what would this display Or type of statement send to guests or strangers entering your home ? Pablo was a interesting character and life he lived but the legacy he left and problems on the world that stemmed from his entrepreneurial business not everyone agrees upon To some this subject matter is a grey area and would be like having a picture of jimmy saville , Rolf Harris , denis Nielsen displayed www.stender.co.uk/index.php/2020/11/10/crazy-pablo-hand-finished-edition/ |
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Constructive Criticism, by Carl Cashman Art on Nov 12, 2020 17:33:47 GMT 1, I think you may be doing it the wrong way round by thinking of saleability first. Get yourself a cheap screenprint set up, or make one.. you can get a set up together for a couple hundred pounds or less. 1in 20 ideas will work, either reuse the rest, archive or bin them. If you have a 9-5 job, use this to fund your Art. If you have kids its tough, treat it as a hobby and keep it fun.. dont put pressure on yourself of having to sellout every drop. I can literally go months without selling art and then have a run which funds the next 1/4 of the year. Most artists sell nothing at all unfortunately and purely make art for the love. Not listening to you Carl, you're too talented. Go paint a funnel. I do have a full time job and have a hours drive to a studio which is booked up most of the time. As said I really should be doing originals before editions but not that easy, and as you will know screenprinting isnt for a few prints. But luckily I dont do this for the money and have a well paid job (for now). But its the sales that tell me people really like my work, whereas a click doesn't. Yes I like it if its free.
I think you may be doing it the wrong way round by thinking of saleability first. Get yourself a cheap screenprint set up, or make one.. you can get a set up together for a couple hundred pounds or less. 1in 20 ideas will work, either reuse the rest, archive or bin them. If you have a 9-5 job, use this to fund your Art. If you have kids its tough, treat it as a hobby and keep it fun.. dont put pressure on yourself of having to sellout every drop. I can literally go months without selling art and then have a run which funds the next 1/4 of the year. Most artists sell nothing at all unfortunately and purely make art for the love. Not listening to you Carl, you're too talented. Go paint a funnel. I do have a full time job and have a hours drive to a studio which is booked up most of the time. As said I really should be doing originals before editions but not that easy, and as you will know screenprinting isnt for a few prints. But luckily I dont do this for the money and have a well paid job (for now). But its the sales that tell me people really like my work, whereas a click doesn't. Yes I like it if its free. Make the screens, burn them yourself, it will literally cost nothing but time and ink once its set up. Plenty of demos on YouTube of how to do it. Keep chipping away dude. |
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Constructive Criticism, by iamzero on Nov 12, 2020 17:37:43 GMT 1, Not sure why you’d care what this forum thinks? This place pick fault with selling artists that travel the world doing what they could only dream of doing for a living make what art you like and if it happens to resonate with others that that’s the bonus but don’t over analyse it. I used to post on the show us your own art thread until I got bored of the private messages telling me what I should paint. Although I did knock up something in response to those.
Not sure why you’d care what this forum thinks? This place pick fault with selling artists that travel the world doing what they could only dream of doing for a living make what art you like and if it happens to resonate with others that that’s the bonus but don’t over analyse it. I used to post on the show us your own art thread until I got bored of the private messages telling me what I should paint. Although I did knock up something in response to those. |
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Constructive Criticism, by RoboJ on Nov 12, 2020 17:39:32 GMT 1, Hey Stender, Brave of you to ask for criticism but it's definitely a necessary part of the process in figuring out what your target market would want to buy. I think it's best practice as a new artist to only make originals to start. Spend hours on each one, nit pick and modify each one until you are satisfied with it as a finished product. You may go through a lot of ideas and only want to publish the best ones to your website and instagram. Try to sell originals to start at a reasonable price. If people like it and it's good value then they will buy it. You need to sell out of originals to up your price and your versions. You'll then get to a point where you will get a fanbase and they will request what prints to make based on which originals they wish they got when they sold out earlier. Personally I would get away from mimicking any other artist. I understand it pastiche but you need to make your own content with your own messages. As a buyer I would much rather have an original from a new artist then some overpriced high volumed print. All the best on the climb, enjoy this time in your career to try different ideas and find your style. Totally Agree. Problem is i'm not that talented. I'm a digital person and it doesn't really translate to canvas that easily. Im trying not to go down the giclee print route as well. Funny enough I screen printed a couple of Pablos onto canvas which I was planning to leaf and paint. Not sure i'll bother now :-)
Who cares if you’re technically good? Not many are to be honest, myself included. I create art that helps me to think about how I feel in the world. Once it’s create it almost doesn’t matter if it sells or goes in the bin. It was the creating it that is the important bit for me. You need to decide are you creating art or a product to sell? If you’re focused on making something to sell, and that’s absolutely fine, you need to think more about marketing and your customer base. Bait the hook to suit the fish. If you want to create art, create what you love and enjoy and makes sense to you. If others like it that’s lovely too. I hope this helps
Hey Stender, Brave of you to ask for criticism but it's definitely a necessary part of the process in figuring out what your target market would want to buy. I think it's best practice as a new artist to only make originals to start. Spend hours on each one, nit pick and modify each one until you are satisfied with it as a finished product. You may go through a lot of ideas and only want to publish the best ones to your website and instagram. Try to sell originals to start at a reasonable price. If people like it and it's good value then they will buy it. You need to sell out of originals to up your price and your versions. You'll then get to a point where you will get a fanbase and they will request what prints to make based on which originals they wish they got when they sold out earlier. Personally I would get away from mimicking any other artist. I understand it pastiche but you need to make your own content with your own messages. As a buyer I would much rather have an original from a new artist then some overpriced high volumed print. All the best on the climb, enjoy this time in your career to try different ideas and find your style. Totally Agree. Problem is i'm not that talented. I'm a digital person and it doesn't really translate to canvas that easily. Im trying not to go down the giclee print route as well. Funny enough I screen printed a couple of Pablos onto canvas which I was planning to leaf and paint. Not sure i'll bother now :-) Who cares if you’re technically good? Not many are to be honest, myself included. I create art that helps me to think about how I feel in the world. Once it’s create it almost doesn’t matter if it sells or goes in the bin. It was the creating it that is the important bit for me. You need to decide are you creating art or a product to sell? If you’re focused on making something to sell, and that’s absolutely fine, you need to think more about marketing and your customer base. Bait the hook to suit the fish. If you want to create art, create what you love and enjoy and makes sense to you. If others like it that’s lovely too. I hope this helps |
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Constructive Criticism, by irl1 on Nov 12, 2020 17:45:45 GMT 1,
Love that one, can you send me a signed copy 
Not sure why you’d care what this forum thinks? This place pick fault with selling artists that travel the world doing what they could only dream of doing for a living make what art you like and if it happens to resonate with others that that’s the bonus but don’t over analyse it. I used to post on the show us your own art thread until I got bored of the private messages telling me what I should paint. Although I did knock up something in response to those.
Love that one, can you send me a signed copy Not sure why you’d care what this forum thinks? This place pick fault with selling artists that travel the world doing what they could only dream of doing for a living make what art you like and if it happens to resonate with others that that’s the bonus but don’t over analyse it. I used to post on the show us your own art thread until I got bored of the private messages telling me what I should paint. Although I did knock up something in response to those. |
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Constructive Criticism, by medichead on Nov 12, 2020 17:56:54 GMT 1, So much good advice here, particularly whatilike and Carl, but many others saying sensible things.
I have very little to add, if I'm honest, but I would echo not chasing the market, and trying to avoid pop iconography on the whole.
Additionally, I would try and keep edition numbers low. People buying into your work at this stage should ideally be getting unique pieces, but failing that low edition prints. I am sure this has been thought of and there is an economy of scale that prohibits doing editions of say 10, for example.
So much good advice here, particularly whatilike and Carl, but many others saying sensible things.
I have very little to add, if I'm honest, but I would echo not chasing the market, and trying to avoid pop iconography on the whole.
Additionally, I would try and keep edition numbers low. People buying into your work at this stage should ideally be getting unique pieces, but failing that low edition prints. I am sure this has been thought of and there is an economy of scale that prohibits doing editions of say 10, for example.
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Constructive Criticism, by tiny poubelle on Nov 12, 2020 18:01:11 GMT 1, FWIW I too really like Asylum Seeker and Change of Allegiance
I would say that they are both clever.
Being totally honest, I saw Asylum Seeker a few days ago and my initial thought was “someone ripping off Invader” so I didn’t really appreciate it. Now I’ve looked at it again, I think it is intelligent and well executed. The same goes for Allegiance.
In terms of a couple of points made about a) it costing you a lot to produce a print yet wanting to sell out editions and b) a couple of people saying you should start with originals.
Forgive my ignorance here, for it is vast.
Could you start by making one print, costing you less money and put it on Instagram for £60? It is an edition of 1, therefore an original. If it sells and you get another 20 people asking about this one, you can then decide to do another edition, of 10, with perhaps a colour variation and release that?
The buyer of the first print is happy because they have an original and the buyers of the second release are happy that they got what they wanted and you haven’t got 40 prints lying in a file, wondering why they didn’t sell.
If costs prohibit releasing one-off screenprints, then I’d say the key thing you need to be able to do is create the image that you want to release and get a strong idea of how others feel about it, before committing to a print run.
Not everything is going to be a hit. Some of what you think is your best work, others won’t appreciate as much and you’ll be baffled as to why. You’ll never keep everyone happy. Sometimes people don’t laugh at things I say half as much as I think they should*. I can’t understand it but have concluded that their loss.
Good luck with what you’re doing and hope you enjoy yourself along the way.
* They do really, I‘m the funniest guy I know. I was just trying to make you feel better.
FWIW I too really like Asylum Seeker and Change of Allegiance
I would say that they are both clever.
Being totally honest, I saw Asylum Seeker a few days ago and my initial thought was “someone ripping off Invader” so I didn’t really appreciate it. Now I’ve looked at it again, I think it is intelligent and well executed. The same goes for Allegiance.
In terms of a couple of points made about a) it costing you a lot to produce a print yet wanting to sell out editions and b) a couple of people saying you should start with originals.
Forgive my ignorance here, for it is vast.
Could you start by making one print, costing you less money and put it on Instagram for £60? It is an edition of 1, therefore an original. If it sells and you get another 20 people asking about this one, you can then decide to do another edition, of 10, with perhaps a colour variation and release that?
The buyer of the first print is happy because they have an original and the buyers of the second release are happy that they got what they wanted and you haven’t got 40 prints lying in a file, wondering why they didn’t sell.
If costs prohibit releasing one-off screenprints, then I’d say the key thing you need to be able to do is create the image that you want to release and get a strong idea of how others feel about it, before committing to a print run.
Not everything is going to be a hit. Some of what you think is your best work, others won’t appreciate as much and you’ll be baffled as to why. You’ll never keep everyone happy. Sometimes people don’t laugh at things I say half as much as I think they should*. I can’t understand it but have concluded that their loss.
Good luck with what you’re doing and hope you enjoy yourself along the way.
* They do really, I‘m the funniest guy I know. I was just trying to make you feel better.
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Constructive Criticism, by tab1 on Nov 12, 2020 18:05:38 GMT 1, Not sure why you’d care what this forum thinks? This place pick fault with selling artists that travel the world doing what they could only dream of doing for a living make what art you like and if it happens to resonate with others that that’s the bonus but don’t over analyse it. I used to post on the show us your own art thread until I got bored of the private messages telling me what I should paint. Although I did knock up something in response to those.
Because all the highly addicted art addicts are on the forum , and if you want sales easy to peddle here to feed people’s fixes 😬
He stated a few buyer from this forum so what better way to get feedback on your potential market .
Lots of artists started here before gaining a larger market appeal
Whatson for one
Not sure why you’d care what this forum thinks? This place pick fault with selling artists that travel the world doing what they could only dream of doing for a living make what art you like and if it happens to resonate with others that that’s the bonus but don’t over analyse it. I used to post on the show us your own art thread until I got bored of the private messages telling me what I should paint. Although I did knock up something in response to those. Because all the highly addicted art addicts are on the forum , and if you want sales easy to peddle here to feed people’s fixes 😬 He stated a few buyer from this forum so what better way to get feedback on your potential market . Lots of artists started here before gaining a larger market appeal Whatson for one |
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