Inknart
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Inknart on Nov 11, 2017 22:10:33 GMT 1, I wouldn't bother with insurance. They'll take your money, but good luck getting money out of them should something happen. Many shippers exclude fine art from coverage. I'd go signature confirmation before going insurance. I also don't recommend shipping flat, unless the print doesn't allow rolling. Flat shipments get damaged at a much higher rate than tubed from my experience. Rolled and placed in a high-quality tube(like Yazoo Mills) or a PVC pipe = much safer. If you have a lesser tube, a mid-grade uline or something, you could always go tube+box. Personally, I've had the most success with Fedex. I use their cheapest option. Shipping flat can be very safe if done properly and why on earth wouldn’t you pay a few extra dollars for insurance ? FedEx will insure art up to 1000 and I have had super easy claim process multiple times for damaged items where I received $1000 check 2 weeks later and they didn’t even collect the damaged item.
I wouldn't bother with insurance. They'll take your money, but good luck getting money out of them should something happen. Many shippers exclude fine art from coverage. I'd go signature confirmation before going insurance. I also don't recommend shipping flat, unless the print doesn't allow rolling. Flat shipments get damaged at a much higher rate than tubed from my experience. Rolled and placed in a high-quality tube(like Yazoo Mills) or a PVC pipe = much safer. If you have a lesser tube, a mid-grade uline or something, you could always go tube+box. Personally, I've had the most success with Fedex. I use their cheapest option. Shipping flat can be very safe if done properly and why on earth wouldn’t you pay a few extra dollars for insurance ? FedEx will insure art up to 1000 and I have had super easy claim process multiple times for damaged items where I received $1000 check 2 weeks later and they didn’t even collect the damaged item.
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mose
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by mose on Nov 11, 2017 22:28:26 GMT 1, I wouldn't bother with insurance. They'll take your money, but good luck getting money out of them should something happen. Many shippers exclude fine art from coverage. I'd go signature confirmation before going insurance. I also don't recommend shipping flat, unless the print doesn't allow rolling. Flat shipments get damaged at a much higher rate than tubed from my experience. Rolled and placed in a high-quality tube(like Yazoo Mills) or a PVC pipe = much safer. If you have a lesser tube, a mid-grade uline or something, you could always go tube+box. Personally, I've had the most success with Fedex. I use their cheapest option. Shipping flat can be very safe if done properly and why on earth wouldn’t you pay a few extra dollars for insurance ? FedEx will insure art up to 1000 and I have had super easy claim process multiple times for damaged items where I received $1000 check 2 weeks later and they didn’t even collect the damaged item. Of course it can be done to maximize safety. I still don't recommend it as 'flat shipments get damaged at a much higher rate than tube from my experience'.
And on insurance, I'm glad you've had positive experiences. I've had, and have read many other, unsatisfactory experiences. So, I don't insure and just pack bomb-proof rolled and roll the dice. I bring up the issue because people need to be aware that, just because a shipping company took your money for insurance, don't think you are bullet-proof. Read the fine print if it is of concern.
I wouldn't bother with insurance. They'll take your money, but good luck getting money out of them should something happen. Many shippers exclude fine art from coverage. I'd go signature confirmation before going insurance. I also don't recommend shipping flat, unless the print doesn't allow rolling. Flat shipments get damaged at a much higher rate than tubed from my experience. Rolled and placed in a high-quality tube(like Yazoo Mills) or a PVC pipe = much safer. If you have a lesser tube, a mid-grade uline or something, you could always go tube+box. Personally, I've had the most success with Fedex. I use their cheapest option. Shipping flat can be very safe if done properly and why on earth wouldn’t you pay a few extra dollars for insurance ? FedEx will insure art up to 1000 and I have had super easy claim process multiple times for damaged items where I received $1000 check 2 weeks later and they didn’t even collect the damaged item. Of course it can be done to maximize safety. I still don't recommend it as 'flat shipments get damaged at a much higher rate than tube from my experience'. And on insurance, I'm glad you've had positive experiences. I've had, and have read many other, unsatisfactory experiences. So, I don't insure and just pack bomb-proof rolled and roll the dice. I bring up the issue because people need to be aware that, just because a shipping company took your money for insurance, don't think you are bullet-proof. Read the fine print if it is of concern.
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workandturn
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by workandturn on Nov 12, 2017 15:03:37 GMT 1, Cheers for the help guys - I’ll check out fed ex and ups costs today. I was considering a tube becaus the guy I bought the other pose print from had another one with a crease through it for sale because it shipped flat and got bent so it was on my mind. Could imagine shipping in a tube would be cheaper too - but at the end of the day it’s up to the person buying as I’m easy ether way .
Cheers for the help guys - I’ll check out fed ex and ups costs today. I was considering a tube becaus the guy I bought the other pose print from had another one with a crease through it for sale because it shipped flat and got bent so it was on my mind. Could imagine shipping in a tube would be cheaper too - but at the end of the day it’s up to the person buying as I’m easy ether way .
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irl1
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by irl1 on Oct 19, 2018 9:30:49 GMT 1, I purchased a book and need help to ship it from Wilmington, DE United States, to Ireland.
Its the Mohammed Ali, Jeff Koons Book GOAT, which weighs 60 lb (35kg) Its packed and ready for pick up.
I am looking for a courier to pick up and deliver to Ireland. Which is the cheapest companies to use?
I'm not bothered how long it takes to get here.
Thank you
I purchased a book and need help to ship it from Wilmington, DE United States, to Ireland.
Its the Mohammed Ali, Jeff Koons Book GOAT, which weighs 60 lb (35kg) Its packed and ready for pick up.
I am looking for a courier to pick up and deliver to Ireland. Which is the cheapest companies to use?
I'm not bothered how long it takes to get here.
Thank you
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 10:54:30 GMT 1, 35kg? Yikes! That's going to cost a lot! You can compare prices of different courier companies here...
www.parcel2go.com
35kg? Yikes! That's going to cost a lot! You can compare prices of different courier companies here... www.parcel2go.com
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irl1
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by irl1 on Oct 19, 2018 11:06:55 GMT 1, 35kg? Yikes! That's going to cost a lot! You can compare prices of different courier companies here... www.parcel2go.com Thanks for the reply, yes its one big book. I was chasing one of these for years but they were always mad money.
35kg? Yikes! That's going to cost a lot! You can compare prices of different courier companies here... www.parcel2go.comThanks for the reply, yes its one big book. I was chasing one of these for years but they were always mad money.
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d.r. perseus
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by d.r. perseus on Oct 19, 2018 19:41:07 GMT 1, Isn't media mail less expensive via USPS?
Isn't media mail less expensive via USPS?
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irl1
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by irl1 on Oct 19, 2018 21:43:16 GMT 1, Thanks i have this sorted now
Thanks i have this sorted now
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Pipes
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Pipes on Mar 23, 2019 19:53:06 GMT 1, Having been to the Warhol exhibition in NY and pondering how the huge Chairman Mao canvas got to the Whitney - I found this article interesting.
We often talk about Flight Logistics here - but this is another level.
Shipping museum-grade art is a specialist business: only a handful of top-flight firms, among them the London-based Momart and Constantine, are trusted by major institutions. Even so, most museums also insist that art on loan travels at all times with a courier, ideally a conservator. This is known as “nail to nail”: one person stays with one work from the moment it is taken down in Room 38A of the V&A to the moment it goes on to the wall in a museum in Shanghai 5,700 miles away. Unless physically impossible, they need to stick with the artefact – or at least the crate it is travelling in – every step of the way.
www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/mar/21/how-to-move-a-masterpiece-secret-business-shipping-priceless-artworks-art-handling
Having been to the Warhol exhibition in NY and pondering how the huge Chairman Mao canvas got to the Whitney - I found this article interesting. We often talk about Flight Logistics here - but this is another level. Shipping museum-grade art is a specialist business: only a handful of top-flight firms, among them the London-based Momart and Constantine, are trusted by major institutions. Even so, most museums also insist that art on loan travels at all times with a courier, ideally a conservator. This is known as “nail to nail”: one person stays with one work from the moment it is taken down in Room 38A of the V&A to the moment it goes on to the wall in a museum in Shanghai 5,700 miles away. Unless physically impossible, they need to stick with the artefact – or at least the crate it is travelling in – every step of the way.www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/mar/21/how-to-move-a-masterpiece-secret-business-shipping-priceless-artworks-art-handling
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jamo
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by jamo on Mar 23, 2019 20:41:13 GMT 1, Great article - thanks!
Great article - thanks!
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lacklisted
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by lacklisted on Mar 26, 2019 19:26:50 GMT 1, Having been to the Warhol exhibition in NY and pondering how the huge Chairman Mao canvas got to the Whitney - I found this article interesting. We often talk about Flight Logistics here - but this is another level. Shipping museum-grade art is a specialist business: only a handful of top-flight firms, among them the London-based Momart and Constantine, are trusted by major institutions. Even so, most museums also insist that art on loan travels at all times with a courier, ideally a conservator. This is known as “nail to nail”: one person stays with one work from the moment it is taken down in Room 38A of the V&A to the moment it goes on to the wall in a museum in Shanghai 5,700 miles away. Unless physically impossible, they need to stick with the artefact – or at least the crate it is travelling in – every step of the way.www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/mar/21/how-to-move-a-masterpiece-secret-business-shipping-priceless-artworks-art-handling great post and interesting read.
Having been to the Warhol exhibition in NY and pondering how the huge Chairman Mao canvas got to the Whitney - I found this article interesting. We often talk about Flight Logistics here - but this is another level. Shipping museum-grade art is a specialist business: only a handful of top-flight firms, among them the London-based Momart and Constantine, are trusted by major institutions. Even so, most museums also insist that art on loan travels at all times with a courier, ideally a conservator. This is known as “nail to nail”: one person stays with one work from the moment it is taken down in Room 38A of the V&A to the moment it goes on to the wall in a museum in Shanghai 5,700 miles away. Unless physically impossible, they need to stick with the artefact – or at least the crate it is travelling in – every step of the way.www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/mar/21/how-to-move-a-masterpiece-secret-business-shipping-priceless-artworks-art-handlinggreat post and interesting read.
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lg2771
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by lg2771 on Apr 26, 2019 21:03:26 GMT 1, Has anyone had their art crated and shipped by a specialized company? I have to ship a couple of pieces due to moving, and I was wondering what price I should be looking at so I don’t get ripped off.
Has anyone had their art crated and shipped by a specialized company? I have to ship a couple of pieces due to moving, and I was wondering what price I should be looking at so I don’t get ripped off.
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blenki
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by blenki on Apr 30, 2019 9:53:09 GMT 1, Companies like Flight Logistics have been recommended to me. But theres too many variables, size of art, value, where its going to and from, are you dropping it off at the courier or are they collecting etc to give you any idea of if you're getting ripped off or not
Companies like Flight Logistics have been recommended to me. But theres too many variables, size of art, value, where its going to and from, are you dropping it off at the courier or are they collecting etc to give you any idea of if you're getting ripped off or not
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Carl Cashman
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Carl Cashman on Apr 30, 2019 10:39:00 GMT 1, Flight logistics all the way
Flight logistics all the way
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Simococo
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Simococo on Apr 30, 2019 18:38:51 GMT 1, Flight Logistics most definitely
Flight Logistics most definitely
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lg2771
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by lg2771 on May 1, 2019 1:54:17 GMT 1, I probably should’ve clarified that I’m in the US. Thanks for the advice, though. I was quoted 850 by a company here in NYC, which doesn’t seem too bad.
I probably should’ve clarified that I’m in the US. Thanks for the advice, though. I was quoted 850 by a company here in NYC, which doesn’t seem too bad.
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blenki
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by blenki on May 1, 2019 17:19:25 GMT 1, Just to give you an idea then, someone i sold a print to in America (i'm UK) 50x70cm frame / package weight 2.8kg, was charged $310 by flight logistics
Just to give you an idea then, someone i sold a print to in America (i'm UK) 50x70cm frame / package weight 2.8kg, was charged $310 by flight logistics
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lg2771
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by lg2771 on May 2, 2019 1:21:31 GMT 1, Just to give you an idea then, someone i sold a print to in America (i'm UK) 50x70cm frame / package weight 2.8kg, was charged $310 by flight logistics
Thanks. I’m shipping six pieces in total so it seems fair.
Just to give you an idea then, someone i sold a print to in America (i'm UK) 50x70cm frame / package weight 2.8kg, was charged $310 by flight logistics Thanks. I’m shipping six pieces in total so it seems fair.
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by sending on May 11, 2019 12:45:28 GMT 1, So, I'm moving from a small town in a small state 3000 miles to San Diego in two weeks, and my head is spinning with all the crap I've got to get done. I've kind of stuck my head in the sand as regards my framed copy of Choose Your Weapon but now it has to be dealt with. I'm not going to send it framed, and I have found someone who will deframe it for me. Now the question is, how do I get it from east coast to west? Near as I can tell, the main feasible option (not nec the best) is ...
Get the deframer to roll it up in a the widest tube possible and send it overnight to SD. I have the original tube it came in, so it could go inside that and i could wrap that up in another tube. The most I think I can insure it for with fedex is 50k. But I've also read that Fedex will only insure art up to 1k, which makes sense, given that the value of art is subjective. Think the same thing holds true for UPS.
i also have a stik and some keith haring prints, unsigned, that i have to move, but their value is only about 5k total, small beans compared to the albatross of a banksy.
So, I'm moving from a small town in a small state 3000 miles to San Diego in two weeks, and my head is spinning with all the crap I've got to get done. I've kind of stuck my head in the sand as regards my framed copy of Choose Your Weapon but now it has to be dealt with. I'm not going to send it framed, and I have found someone who will deframe it for me. Now the question is, how do I get it from east coast to west? Near as I can tell, the main feasible option (not nec the best) is ...
Get the deframer to roll it up in a the widest tube possible and send it overnight to SD. I have the original tube it came in, so it could go inside that and i could wrap that up in another tube. The most I think I can insure it for with fedex is 50k. But I've also read that Fedex will only insure art up to 1k, which makes sense, given that the value of art is subjective. Think the same thing holds true for UPS.
i also have a stik and some keith haring prints, unsigned, that i have to move, but their value is only about 5k total, small beans compared to the albatross of a banksy.
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Pipes
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Pipes on May 11, 2019 13:05:20 GMT 1, Take it with you on the plane in the tube?
If I had a print worth that much I wouldn’t let it leave my side !
Take it with you on the plane in the tube?
If I had a print worth that much I wouldn’t let it leave my side !
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chichi carter
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by chichi carter on May 11, 2019 13:56:32 GMT 1, I'd take it on the flight as 'carry on' luggage. I've done it before on a transatlantic flight. Had the tube with me next to my leg as I didn't want anyone to manipulate it while looking for stuff in the overhead compartment. It wasn't a super wide tube though. I don't know how long your flight is but I think it's a good option. It's a domestic flight, no customs, stick that wide tube between your legs and bring it to your new home!
I'd take it on the flight as 'carry on' luggage. I've done it before on a transatlantic flight. Had the tube with me next to my leg as I didn't want anyone to manipulate it while looking for stuff in the overhead compartment. It wasn't a super wide tube though. I don't know how long your flight is but I think it's a good option. It's a domestic flight, no customs, stick that wide tube between your legs and bring it to your new home!
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GMA
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by GMA on May 11, 2019 14:07:05 GMT 1, What these two guys said, take it with you.
What these two guys said, take it with you.
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Dexter Bulldog on May 11, 2019 15:36:53 GMT 1, how is the rest of your stuff being moved? you could place it using corners between two acid free foam boards and then reinforce the outside with a stronger boarding.. thats how ive shipped/had shipped pieces transatlantically - and then you can have a box of art moved with the rest of your stuff. movers have insurance
how is the rest of your stuff being moved? you could place it using corners between two acid free foam boards and then reinforce the outside with a stronger boarding.. thats how ive shipped/had shipped pieces transatlantically - and then you can have a box of art moved with the rest of your stuff. movers have insurance
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Adam The Collector on May 11, 2019 18:29:11 GMT 1, Consider a possible sale?
Consider a possible sale?
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Deleted on May 11, 2019 18:38:49 GMT 1, Consider a possible sale? good idea, let the post sale shipping debate commence.
Consider a possible sale? good idea, let the post sale shipping debate commence.
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bestdj777
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by bestdj777 on May 12, 2019 19:19:39 GMT 1, I’ve moved about 18 times. I recommend putting anything of value in a car and driving it with you. Keep it in the frame and just wrap it in blankets.
I’ve moved about 18 times. I recommend putting anything of value in a car and driving it with you. Keep it in the frame and just wrap it in blankets.
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glap86
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by glap86 on May 12, 2019 19:57:53 GMT 1, I'd hire someone to literally do the drive with it in the vehicle. Not a shipping company but like a white glove uber type service.
I'd hire someone to literally do the drive with it in the vehicle. Not a shipping company but like a white glove uber type service.
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by sending on May 13, 2019 0:05:10 GMT 1, i have various problems with these scenarios for one reason or another. for one thing, i'm moving 3000 miles and can't drive that far myself. i am mostly disabled. which brings up flying w the darn thing. this time, it's me, a wheelchair, my service dog, a carry-on full of stuff I can't fly without. adding the banksy in a tube to the equation is possible, but even if i could find a way to feel comfortable with it, my big fear is this: what if TSA wants to see what's inside the tube? it's not impossible. and removing it from the tube under those circumstances is a prescription for disaster.
you say, why would they do that? i say, from personal experience, they can do that because they can do anything they damn well want to do. no matter what the gov regs say, ultimate authority always remains with the tsa guy i charge.
i've pretty much decided on what i originally posited. I'm going to get the piece deframed and put in the original tube. going to take the tube to UPS and have them package the tube to their liking. then i'll ensure it for 50k and send it overnight. it'll cost me a little over $1k and the guy said it'd get white glove treatment. don't know about that. but i do know it'd arrive the next day and i'll either be very very happy or very very sad.
btw / i'd sell it in a heartbeat but i just don't have the time to do it right now. once i get to san diego, assuming the piece is still intact, then i will sell it.
anyway, wish me luck. and i will post back w/ how it went.
i have various problems with these scenarios for one reason or another. for one thing, i'm moving 3000 miles and can't drive that far myself. i am mostly disabled. which brings up flying w the darn thing. this time, it's me, a wheelchair, my service dog, a carry-on full of stuff I can't fly without. adding the banksy in a tube to the equation is possible, but even if i could find a way to feel comfortable with it, my big fear is this: what if TSA wants to see what's inside the tube? it's not impossible. and removing it from the tube under those circumstances is a prescription for disaster.
you say, why would they do that? i say, from personal experience, they can do that because they can do anything they damn well want to do. no matter what the gov regs say, ultimate authority always remains with the tsa guy i charge.
i've pretty much decided on what i originally posited. I'm going to get the piece deframed and put in the original tube. going to take the tube to UPS and have them package the tube to their liking. then i'll ensure it for 50k and send it overnight. it'll cost me a little over $1k and the guy said it'd get white glove treatment. don't know about that. but i do know it'd arrive the next day and i'll either be very very happy or very very sad.
btw / i'd sell it in a heartbeat but i just don't have the time to do it right now. once i get to san diego, assuming the piece is still intact, then i will sell it.
anyway, wish me luck. and i will post back w/ how it went.
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Grillocracy
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by Grillocracy on May 13, 2019 1:51:14 GMT 1, I'm not sure who is moving the rest of your stuff but there are several movers who offer "white glove service" for fine art. There are also companies that specialize in moving high end products such as www.shiparta.com that works with a lot of galleries. I'd trust that a lot more than UPS even with insurance.
I'm not sure who is moving the rest of your stuff but there are several movers who offer "white glove service" for fine art. There are also companies that specialize in moving high end products such as www.shiparta.com that works with a lot of galleries. I'd trust that a lot more than UPS even with insurance.
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Shipping Art • UK, USA, Asia, Europe, by That Print Guy on May 13, 2019 5:48:49 GMT 1, I'd also suggest bringing it on the plane. What airline are you using? I've done this many many times on Southwest - I've brought 4'x 6" tubes as a carry-on (in addition to my actual carry-on). TSA may ask you to open one end (if they even do that), but 99 times out of 100 they don't even, just send it through the xray. One time someone gave me s**t and I told them it was going in the coat closet and that I had already arranged it with customer service (oops I may have lied) otherwise it just goes up top with my back pack or roller. Packages get lost sometimes. Insurance may pay out... But not likely for the arbitrary value you insure, they pay out what you bought it for when you show them the receipt. I wouldn't let that tube leave my sight.
Feel free to dm if you want specifics, like I said, I've done this probably 40 times at this point and on a few different airlines.
I'd also suggest bringing it on the plane. What airline are you using? I've done this many many times on Southwest - I've brought 4'x 6" tubes as a carry-on (in addition to my actual carry-on). TSA may ask you to open one end (if they even do that), but 99 times out of 100 they don't even, just send it through the xray. One time someone gave me s**t and I told them it was going in the coat closet and that I had already arranged it with customer service (oops I may have lied) otherwise it just goes up top with my back pack or roller. Packages get lost sometimes. Insurance may pay out... But not likely for the arbitrary value you insure, they pay out what you bought it for when you show them the receipt. I wouldn't let that tube leave my sight.
Feel free to dm if you want specifics, like I said, I've done this probably 40 times at this point and on a few different airlines.
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