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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 16:06:39 GMT 1, to stick to things (walls, frames, dogs etc) Surely, if it is assembled, it's already stuck together in some way? So, it would essentially then come as a complete piece, with a large peel-able sticky back?
to stick to things (walls, frames, dogs etc) Surely, if it is assembled, it's already stuck together in some way? So, it would essentially then come as a complete piece, with a large peel-able sticky back? yes, there's a sticky film on the front that holds them together in addition to the one on the back that you peel off |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by oxomo on Dec 4, 2014 16:13:27 GMT 1, they do come full assembled  Haha I wasn't sure if that was understood either!
Intermittent reading...
Maybe we should start our chat again 
they do come full assembled Haha I wasn't sure if that was understood either! Intermittent reading... Maybe we should start our chat again |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by alittle on Dec 4, 2014 16:17:45 GMT 1, I don't really understand your logic. Why on earth would anyone take their limited edition collectible that they just paid 75 euro for, and paste it up outside? If the intention is what you say it is, why did Invader limit the edition in the first place?
I don't really understand your logic. Why on earth would anyone take their limited edition collectible that they just paid 75 euro for, and paste it up outside? If the intention is what you say it is, why did Invader limit the edition in the first place?
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 16:28:49 GMT 1, I don't really understand your logic. Why on earth would anyone take their limited edition collectible that they just paid 75 euro for, and paste it up outside? If the intention is what you say it is, why did Invader limit the edition in the first place?
if they were only 75 Euro, I'd gladly glue one up on my house or garage for all to see.
either way - it's not worth arguing over. Like I said, I'm a big fan. I just feel that recent IK releases have been disingenuous. They're clearly a way for him to make money and raise his prices (I'm okay with both - he's got to make a living afterall) - but to keep calling them part of a larger "invasion" strategy just doesn't ring true to me anymore now that they're too expensive to do anything except display them indoors
I don't really understand your logic. Why on earth would anyone take their limited edition collectible that they just paid 75 euro for, and paste it up outside? If the intention is what you say it is, why did Invader limit the edition in the first place? It's not my logic - it's Invaders... I remember older kits being advertised to be put outside (that's why it states to use tile glue and the disclaimer). With his site down, I can't look at any of his old posts. Maybe they'll be up when the site relaunches and we can check it out if they were only 75 Euro, I'd gladly glue one up on my house or garage for all to see. either way - it's not worth arguing over. Like I said, I'm a big fan. I just feel that recent IK releases have been disingenuous. They're clearly a way for him to make money and raise his prices (I'm okay with both - he's got to make a living afterall) - but to keep calling them part of a larger "invasion" strategy just doesn't ring true to me anymore now that they're too expensive to do anything except display them indoors |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Matt on Dec 4, 2014 16:34:36 GMT 1, I don't really understand your logic. Why on earth would anyone take their limited edition collectible that they just paid 75 euro for, and paste it up outside? If the intention is what you say it is, why did Invader limit the edition in the first place? It's not my logic - it's Invaders... I remember older kits being advertised to be put outside (that's why it states to use tile glue and the disclaimer). With his site down, I can't look at any of his old posts. Maybe they'll be up when the site relaunches and we can check it out if they were only 75 Euro, I'd gladly glue one up on my house or garage for all to see. either way - it's not worth arguing over. Like I said, I'm a big fan. I just feel that recent IK releases have been disingenuous. They're clearly a way for him to make money and raise his prices (I'm okay with both - he's got to make a living afterall) - but to keep calling them part of a larger "invasion" strategy just doesn't ring true to me anymore now that they're too expensive to do anything except display them indoors
Agree. I love Invader, always have since I started seeing the first ones pop up in Paris long ago. But the "invasion for all" is wearing out I think, the new Invader is like any print by a popular artist these days, overprice because he can because everyone is getting into the game.
I have no problem with that, and always respect successful artists even if I hate what they do. But this time I'm not going for one.
I have prints (both Rubik and Invader type), I have 2 kits, and until Invader is doing something new I am perfectly content with my collection.
I don't really understand your logic. Why on earth would anyone take their limited edition collectible that they just paid 75 euro for, and paste it up outside? If the intention is what you say it is, why did Invader limit the edition in the first place? It's not my logic - it's Invaders... I remember older kits being advertised to be put outside (that's why it states to use tile glue and the disclaimer). With his site down, I can't look at any of his old posts. Maybe they'll be up when the site relaunches and we can check it out if they were only 75 Euro, I'd gladly glue one up on my house or garage for all to see. either way - it's not worth arguing over. Like I said, I'm a big fan. I just feel that recent IK releases have been disingenuous. They're clearly a way for him to make money and raise his prices (I'm okay with both - he's got to make a living afterall) - but to keep calling them part of a larger "invasion" strategy just doesn't ring true to me anymore now that they're too expensive to do anything except display them indoors Agree. I love Invader, always have since I started seeing the first ones pop up in Paris long ago. But the "invasion for all" is wearing out I think, the new Invader is like any print by a popular artist these days, overprice because he can because everyone is getting into the game. I have no problem with that, and always respect successful artists even if I hate what they do. But this time I'm not going for one. I have prints (both Rubik and Invader type), I have 2 kits, and until Invader is doing something new I am perfectly content with my collection. |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Aza on Dec 4, 2014 18:25:34 GMT 1, If people want to stick them outside on walls, just make your own.
I did that, and unfortunately got caught and now have a criminal record DOH.
If people want to stick them outside on walls, just make your own.
I did that, and unfortunately got caught and now have a criminal record DOH.
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by beatztom on Dec 4, 2014 19:13:26 GMT 1, There's a good tile shop here in Paris which even has glow in the dark tiles the same size as glow in space kit. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the place he got them from. Anyway, just to say that if I were to spread the invasion, I would opt for the DIY version. But seeing as I don't have the time or energy to do so, I don't mind invader making money off kits to finance his operation which I follow with joy 
There's a good tile shop here in Paris which even has glow in the dark tiles the same size as glow in space kit. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the place he got them from. Anyway, just to say that if I were to spread the invasion, I would opt for the DIY version. But seeing as I don't have the time or energy to do so, I don't mind invader making money off kits to finance his operation which I follow with joy |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Aza on Dec 4, 2014 19:23:37 GMT 1, What's the shop called?
Do they have a website?
What's the shop called?
Do they have a website?
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Invaded 420 on Dec 4, 2014 19:43:27 GMT 1, Agree with beatztom. Look at the size of some of the pieces over the past years since his prices started to increase. We're seeing better and crazier projects. I will be priced out of this kit but nevermind! It's the artist discretion what they charge and just because invaders kits are easily copied alot cheaper does not take anything away from the official kits or alias for me. It's the idea behind the piece. I say well done to invader. He has quite a following and deserves it for the years of dedication he's put into his art. I have a feeling invader has some very special street/show projects coming up in the near future 
Agree with beatztom. Look at the size of some of the pieces over the past years since his prices started to increase. We're seeing better and crazier projects. I will be priced out of this kit but nevermind! It's the artist discretion what they charge and just because invaders kits are easily copied alot cheaper does not take anything away from the official kits or alias for me. It's the idea behind the piece. I say well done to invader. He has quite a following and deserves it for the years of dedication he's put into his art. I have a feeling invader has some very special street/show projects coming up in the near future |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by beatztom on Dec 4, 2014 23:35:24 GMT 1, What's the shop called? Do they have a website?
The shop is called championnet carrelages. It's like Ali baba's cave for tiles, they have an amazing choice and even a section with loads of smaller tiles and mosaics which you can buy by the kilo.
www.championnet-carrelages.com/
I even saw the micro mosaics in this shop.
What's the shop called? Do they have a website? The shop is called championnet carrelages. It's like Ali baba's cave for tiles, they have an amazing choice and even a section with loads of smaller tiles and mosaics which you can buy by the kilo. www.championnet-carrelages.com/I even saw the micro mosaics in this shop. |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by twist65 on Dec 5, 2014 15:55:27 GMT 1, For me, I'm a huge invader fan but he seriously needs to rethink these.
I was actually collecting invasion kits until I sold them all last year. Originally I decided I would much prefer as many IKs as possible instead of 1 alias on the wall. I don't begrudge the price of them as he is a top tier artist, and I love the concept and the idea of supporting the invasion. The problem is that originally these kits were, what £75 or whatever and now they are 10 times that. At £75, for me anyway, they are kind of a throw-away item, to be opened up, stuck on the wall, your shed, wherever - a bit of art fun really. At £750 to me at least they are a much more considered purchase, one which I would hope had some sort of resale value should my tastes ever change etc..
What came to light when I amongst others had been burned with a fake sealed Hypnotic Vienna kit last year, was that Invader or anyone cannot verify the kits once they have been opened. The tiles are just mass produced tiles with nothing about them, no little id code on the back or anything. Basically if you buy one of these new kits at £750 or whatever, open it and hang it on the wall, then it is effectively worth ZERO as there is no way Orbi or anyone can tell a genuine opened kit from a fake kit - or whether a genuine signed bag is being sold with fake tiles etc...
For me this is just insane and easily rectified by either getting the tiles stamped on the back (surely this expense can be afforded by Invader bearing in mind how much the kits sell for now), the kits being signed on the front (maybe the bottom right tile with an invader on it), or the self adhesive strip on the back of the kits being custom-printed as a signed COA, so that even if you open the sealed bag the contents are still verifyable and even if you stick it on your wall you can keep the peeled off COA...
Again, I appreciate this wasn't an issue in the early days, but to not look at this again when you are charging 10 times the amount for me shows a complete lack of respect and transparency. The sealed bags have clear instructions on how to open your IK, and stick it to whatever surface you like, but it fails to say that in doing so the kit is worthless! It's like buying an Aladdin Sane print, but POW being unable to give providence on them after you take them out of the tube... And failing to tell you so before you buy it, yet providing you with instructions on how to take it out of the tube and make it worthless!!!
Originally Invader talked about them as a 'home invasion' or encouraging people to stick them on the streets, I remember reading interviews to that effect. More recently he has come up with some complete b*lloxey explanation that they are a 'concept piece' intended to be kept in the packaging - which is complete nonsense to try and skirt round the fact that he hasn't thought them through and is more interested in protecting his market value than what he is actually selling to people.
So like I say, I think he needs to rethink how he does an editioned mosaic. Signed kits, 20 or 50 at a few grand each, which come in perspex similar to original aliases (or same pricing as the tiled book covers, which to me look really awkward, I would prefer to buy one without the book stuck on the back!), plus an unsigned edition of 500 or so self-assembly ones at maybe £100 or so would seem about right to me and not negatively effect his pricing, which like I said is rightly deserved and fair do's for protecting it, but please be transparent in what you are actually selling to people and what they can and can't do with your products if they don't want to be p!ssing their money down the drain...
Rant over =]
For me, I'm a huge invader fan but he seriously needs to rethink these.
I was actually collecting invasion kits until I sold them all last year. Originally I decided I would much prefer as many IKs as possible instead of 1 alias on the wall. I don't begrudge the price of them as he is a top tier artist, and I love the concept and the idea of supporting the invasion. The problem is that originally these kits were, what £75 or whatever and now they are 10 times that. At £75, for me anyway, they are kind of a throw-away item, to be opened up, stuck on the wall, your shed, wherever - a bit of art fun really. At £750 to me at least they are a much more considered purchase, one which I would hope had some sort of resale value should my tastes ever change etc..
What came to light when I amongst others had been burned with a fake sealed Hypnotic Vienna kit last year, was that Invader or anyone cannot verify the kits once they have been opened. The tiles are just mass produced tiles with nothing about them, no little id code on the back or anything. Basically if you buy one of these new kits at £750 or whatever, open it and hang it on the wall, then it is effectively worth ZERO as there is no way Orbi or anyone can tell a genuine opened kit from a fake kit - or whether a genuine signed bag is being sold with fake tiles etc...
For me this is just insane and easily rectified by either getting the tiles stamped on the back (surely this expense can be afforded by Invader bearing in mind how much the kits sell for now), the kits being signed on the front (maybe the bottom right tile with an invader on it), or the self adhesive strip on the back of the kits being custom-printed as a signed COA, so that even if you open the sealed bag the contents are still verifyable and even if you stick it on your wall you can keep the peeled off COA...
Again, I appreciate this wasn't an issue in the early days, but to not look at this again when you are charging 10 times the amount for me shows a complete lack of respect and transparency. The sealed bags have clear instructions on how to open your IK, and stick it to whatever surface you like, but it fails to say that in doing so the kit is worthless! It's like buying an Aladdin Sane print, but POW being unable to give providence on them after you take them out of the tube... And failing to tell you so before you buy it, yet providing you with instructions on how to take it out of the tube and make it worthless!!!
Originally Invader talked about them as a 'home invasion' or encouraging people to stick them on the streets, I remember reading interviews to that effect. More recently he has come up with some complete b*lloxey explanation that they are a 'concept piece' intended to be kept in the packaging - which is complete nonsense to try and skirt round the fact that he hasn't thought them through and is more interested in protecting his market value than what he is actually selling to people.
So like I say, I think he needs to rethink how he does an editioned mosaic. Signed kits, 20 or 50 at a few grand each, which come in perspex similar to original aliases (or same pricing as the tiled book covers, which to me look really awkward, I would prefer to buy one without the book stuck on the back!), plus an unsigned edition of 500 or so self-assembly ones at maybe £100 or so would seem about right to me and not negatively effect his pricing, which like I said is rightly deserved and fair do's for protecting it, but please be transparent in what you are actually selling to people and what they can and can't do with your products if they don't want to be p!ssing their money down the drain...
Rant over =]
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by maddoghoek100 on Dec 5, 2014 16:04:36 GMT 1, could not agree with this more. If the kits are intended to be more akin to stickers and are supposed to be place in an environment they kits should be open editions and sold at a price that reflect their intent
If they are premium limited edition art items sold at a huge markup above materials they should be custom tiles in some way.
For me this is just insane and easily rectified by either getting the tiles stamped on the back (surely this expense can be afforded by Invader bearing in mind how much the kits sell for now), the kits being signed on the front (maybe the bottom right tile with an invader on it), or the self adhesive strip on the back of the kits being custom-printed as a signed COA, so that even if you open the sealed bag the contents are still verifyable and even if you stick it on your wall you can keep the peeled off COA...
could not agree with this more. If the kits are intended to be more akin to stickers and are supposed to be place in an environment they kits should be open editions and sold at a price that reflect their intent If they are premium limited edition art items sold at a huge markup above materials they should be custom tiles in some way. For me this is just insane and easily rectified by either getting the tiles stamped on the back (surely this expense can be afforded by Invader bearing in mind how much the kits sell for now), the kits being signed on the front (maybe the bottom right tile with an invader on it), or the self adhesive strip on the back of the kits being custom-printed as a signed COA, so that even if you open the sealed bag the contents are still verifyable and even if you stick it on your wall you can keep the peeled off COA... |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 16:06:25 GMT 1, Originally Invader talked about them as a 'home invasion' or encouraging people to stick them on the streets, I remember reading interviews to that effect. More recently he has come up with some complete b*lloxey explanation that they are a 'concept piece' intended to be kept in the packaging - which is complete nonsense to try and skirt round the fact that he hasn't thought them through and is more interested in protecting his market value than what he is actually selling to people.
Originally Invader talked about them as a 'home invasion' or encouraging people to stick them on the streets, I remember reading interviews to that effect. More recently he has come up with some complete b*lloxey explanation that they are a 'concept piece' intended to be kept in the packaging - which is complete nonsense to try and skirt round the fact that he hasn't thought them through and is more interested in protecting his market value than what he is actually selling to people. Bingo. Especially the second part |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Chrisp on Dec 5, 2014 16:12:38 GMT 1, Basically the original idea has been lost in the market value of kits now. it time he re thought the kit, but let’s see what happens on Monday erm, i mean next Wednesday 12pm PST.
Basically the original idea has been lost in the market value of kits now. it time he re thought the kit, but let’s see what happens on Monday erm, i mean next Wednesday 12pm PST.
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Aza on Dec 5, 2014 16:17:12 GMT 1, Where does he sell the aliases?
Where does he sell the aliases?
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Chrisp on Dec 5, 2014 16:31:32 GMT 1, Where does he sell the aliases?
Where does he sell the aliases? Only through the galleries that represent him. Name a few, Lazrides, Jonathan Lavine Magda Gallery and a small number of others that escape me. |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by rosh on Dec 5, 2014 16:38:55 GMT 1, Thought on price ? 1.5K for me
Thought on price ? 1.5K for me
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Chrisp on Dec 5, 2014 16:42:19 GMT 1, Im gonna go for £650, i honestly thought last time they would not been sold for that price but i was wrong so i would not be suprised if there is another price hike this time.
Im gonna go for £650, i honestly thought last time they would not been sold for that price but i was wrong so i would not be suprised if there is another price hike this time.
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by DREAMERS on Dec 5, 2014 17:28:31 GMT 1, I wonder if these will be released on Monday... I wouldn't be surprised
I wonder if these will be released on Monday... I wouldn't be surprised
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by jayTown on Dec 5, 2014 17:36:36 GMT 1, Im gonna go for £650, i honestly thought last time they would not been sold for that price but i was wrong so i would not be suprised if there is another price hike this time.
Im gonna go for £650, i honestly thought last time they would not been sold for that price but i was wrong so i would not be suprised if there is another price hike this time. There's a pretty dedicated support of these and people don't seem to be put off by the price. |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Invaded 420 on Dec 5, 2014 19:11:30 GMT 1, It's all about the money/resale value for some collectors. Not supporting the artist street works by buying from them. Shame
It's all about the money/resale value for some collectors. Not supporting the artist street works by buying from them. Shame
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Invaded 420 on Dec 5, 2014 19:12:02 GMT 1, I will go for €850
I will go for €850
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by shills on Dec 5, 2014 22:19:38 GMT 1, Stop crying everyone.
Invader is for flippers only.
Stop crying everyone.
Invader is for flippers only.
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by South Bound on Dec 5, 2014 22:31:38 GMT 1, Stop crying everyone. Invader is for flippers only.
Jesus Shills, that's the weakest comment you've ever made... You gotta step your game up.
Stop crying everyone. Invader is for flippers only. Jesus Shills, that's the weakest comment you've ever made... You gotta step your game up. |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by nighthawk on Dec 6, 2014 3:06:32 GMT 1, For me, I'm a huge invader fan but he seriously needs to rethink these. I was actually collecting invasion kits until I sold them all last year. Originally I decided I would much prefer as many IKs as possible instead of 1 alias on the wall. I don't begrudge the price of them as he is a top tier artist, and I love the concept and the idea of supporting the invasion. The problem is that originally these kits were, what £75 or whatever and now they are 10 times that. At £75, for me anyway, they are kind of a throw-away item, to be opened up, stuck on the wall, your shed, wherever - a bit of art fun really. At £750 to me at least they are a much more considered purchase, one which I would hope had some sort of resale value should my tastes ever change etc.. What came to light when I amongst others had been burned with a fake sealed Hypnotic Vienna kit last year, was that Invader or anyone cannot verify the kits once they have been opened. The tiles are just mass produced tiles with nothing about them, no little id code on the back or anything. Basically if you buy one of these new kits at £750 or whatever, open it and hang it on the wall, then it is effectively worth ZERO as there is no way Orbi or anyone can tell a genuine opened kit from a fake kit - or whether a genuine signed bag is being sold with fake tiles etc... For me this is just insane and easily rectified by either getting the tiles stamped on the back (surely this expense can be afforded by Invader bearing in mind how much the kits sell for now), the kits being signed on the front (maybe the bottom right tile with an invader on it), or the self adhesive strip on the back of the kits being custom-printed as a signed COA, so that even if you open the sealed bag the contents are still verifyable and even if you stick it on your wall you can keep the peeled off COA... Again, I appreciate this wasn't an issue in the early days, but to not look at this again when you are charging 10 times the amount for me shows a complete lack of respect and transparency. The sealed bags have clear instructions on how to open your IK, and stick it to whatever surface you like, but it fails to say that in doing so the kit is worthless! It's like buying an Aladdin Sane print, but POW being unable to give providence on them after you take them out of the tube... And failing to tell you so before you buy it, yet providing you with instructions on how to take it out of the tube and make it worthless!!! Originally Invader talked about them as a 'home invasion' or encouraging people to stick them on the streets, I remember reading interviews to that effect. More recently he has come up with some complete b*lloxey explanation that they are a 'concept piece' intended to be kept in the packaging - which is complete nonsense to try and skirt round the fact that he hasn't thought them through and is more interested in protecting his market value than what he is actually selling to people. So like I say, I think he needs to rethink how he does an editioned mosaic. Signed kits, 20 or 50 at a few grand each, which come in perspex similar to original aliases (or same pricing as the tiled book covers, which to me look really awkward, I would prefer to buy one without the book stuck on the back!), plus an unsigned edition of 500 or so self-assembly ones at maybe £100 or so would seem about right to me and not negatively effect his pricing, which like I said is rightly deserved and fair do's for protecting it, but please be transparent in what you are actually selling to people and what they can and can't do with your products if they don't want to be p!ssing their money down the drain... Rant over =]
This is so well put! I couldn't agree more.
For me, I'm a huge invader fan but he seriously needs to rethink these. I was actually collecting invasion kits until I sold them all last year. Originally I decided I would much prefer as many IKs as possible instead of 1 alias on the wall. I don't begrudge the price of them as he is a top tier artist, and I love the concept and the idea of supporting the invasion. The problem is that originally these kits were, what £75 or whatever and now they are 10 times that. At £75, for me anyway, they are kind of a throw-away item, to be opened up, stuck on the wall, your shed, wherever - a bit of art fun really. At £750 to me at least they are a much more considered purchase, one which I would hope had some sort of resale value should my tastes ever change etc.. What came to light when I amongst others had been burned with a fake sealed Hypnotic Vienna kit last year, was that Invader or anyone cannot verify the kits once they have been opened. The tiles are just mass produced tiles with nothing about them, no little id code on the back or anything. Basically if you buy one of these new kits at £750 or whatever, open it and hang it on the wall, then it is effectively worth ZERO as there is no way Orbi or anyone can tell a genuine opened kit from a fake kit - or whether a genuine signed bag is being sold with fake tiles etc... For me this is just insane and easily rectified by either getting the tiles stamped on the back (surely this expense can be afforded by Invader bearing in mind how much the kits sell for now), the kits being signed on the front (maybe the bottom right tile with an invader on it), or the self adhesive strip on the back of the kits being custom-printed as a signed COA, so that even if you open the sealed bag the contents are still verifyable and even if you stick it on your wall you can keep the peeled off COA... Again, I appreciate this wasn't an issue in the early days, but to not look at this again when you are charging 10 times the amount for me shows a complete lack of respect and transparency. The sealed bags have clear instructions on how to open your IK, and stick it to whatever surface you like, but it fails to say that in doing so the kit is worthless! It's like buying an Aladdin Sane print, but POW being unable to give providence on them after you take them out of the tube... And failing to tell you so before you buy it, yet providing you with instructions on how to take it out of the tube and make it worthless!!! Originally Invader talked about them as a 'home invasion' or encouraging people to stick them on the streets, I remember reading interviews to that effect. More recently he has come up with some complete b*lloxey explanation that they are a 'concept piece' intended to be kept in the packaging - which is complete nonsense to try and skirt round the fact that he hasn't thought them through and is more interested in protecting his market value than what he is actually selling to people. So like I say, I think he needs to rethink how he does an editioned mosaic. Signed kits, 20 or 50 at a few grand each, which come in perspex similar to original aliases (or same pricing as the tiled book covers, which to me look really awkward, I would prefer to buy one without the book stuck on the back!), plus an unsigned edition of 500 or so self-assembly ones at maybe £100 or so would seem about right to me and not negatively effect his pricing, which like I said is rightly deserved and fair do's for protecting it, but please be transparent in what you are actually selling to people and what they can and can't do with your products if they don't want to be p!ssing their money down the drain... Rant over =] This is so well put! I couldn't agree more. |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by shills on Dec 6, 2014 10:12:55 GMT 1, jingle bells... invader kits sell... all the way to the bank!
jingle bells... invader kits sell... all the way to the bank!
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by beatztom on Dec 6, 2014 10:36:34 GMT 1, It's all about the money/resale value for some collectors. Not supporting the artist street works by buying from them. Shame
well put sir!
I like invader's art and I like the kits. I will try and buy the next one despite the high price, because I think they are cool, and they make me happy. I'm glad other people like them less, it might increase my chances of scoring one.
I would prefer them to not be so expensive, it's a considerable investment for my modest budget, but I don't have kids and work hard so I can allow myself these kinds of follies now and then. On the other hand the high price makes them more exclusive thus more desirable for collectors. Invader is now a well established artist, it's perfectly fair that his art gets pricier in my opinion.
As for the concept of the kits, you either like them or you don't! It's futile to argue about their purpose, it only leads to existential questions such as "what is art".
I think they look great, even in the packaging. That's why all mine are still sealed. I have no problem with displaying them in the package, I believe it gives them a mysterious look seeing as the bag isn't fully transparent.
That's my opinion, any comments welcome
It's all about the money/resale value for some collectors. Not supporting the artist street works by buying from them. Shame well put sir! I like invader's art and I like the kits. I will try and buy the next one despite the high price, because I think they are cool, and they make me happy. I'm glad other people like them less, it might increase my chances of scoring one. I would prefer them to not be so expensive, it's a considerable investment for my modest budget, but I don't have kids and work hard so I can allow myself these kinds of follies now and then. On the other hand the high price makes them more exclusive thus more desirable for collectors. Invader is now a well established artist, it's perfectly fair that his art gets pricier in my opinion. As for the concept of the kits, you either like them or you don't! It's futile to argue about their purpose, it only leads to existential questions such as "what is art". I think they look great, even in the packaging. That's why all mine are still sealed. I have no problem with displaying them in the package, I believe it gives them a mysterious look seeing as the bag isn't fully transparent. That's my opinion, any comments welcome |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Invaded 420 on Dec 6, 2014 19:41:46 GMT 1, It's all about the money/resale value for some collectors. Not supporting the artist street works by buying from them. Shame well put sir! I like invader's art and I like the kits. I will try and buy the next one despite the high price, because I think they are cool, and they make me happy. I'm glad other people like them less, it might increase my chances of scoring one. I would prefer them to not be so expensive, it's a considerable investment for my modest budget, but I don't have kids and work hard so I can allow myself these kinds of follies now and then. On the other hand the high price makes them more exclusive thus more desirable for collectors. Invader is now a well established artist, it's perfectly fair that his art gets pricier in my opinion. As for the concept of the kits, you either like them or you don't! It's futile to argue about their purpose, it only leads to existential questions such as "what is art". I think they look great, even in the packaging. That's why all mine are still sealed. I have no problem with displaying them in the package, I believe it gives them a mysterious look seeing as the bag isn't fully transparent. That's my opinion, any comments welcome
couldn't have put it better myself. Wed all like to see art work cheaper but being a collector and not a reseller I'm happy for the artist to charge a higher price if it puts off flippers and supports the artist in there street works. And if sometimes I'm out priced I'm not gonna cry about it, that's life. We don't have to have everything that's released. If it sells then the artist work will continue and that's a win win. Think how many would moan if all the big names did a banksy an stopped releasing prints and selling to the general public. Would be uproar! Stop your whining and if your that worried about having it get a better paid job so you can buy everything you see. Simple
It's all about the money/resale value for some collectors. Not supporting the artist street works by buying from them. Shame well put sir! I like invader's art and I like the kits. I will try and buy the next one despite the high price, because I think they are cool, and they make me happy. I'm glad other people like them less, it might increase my chances of scoring one. I would prefer them to not be so expensive, it's a considerable investment for my modest budget, but I don't have kids and work hard so I can allow myself these kinds of follies now and then. On the other hand the high price makes them more exclusive thus more desirable for collectors. Invader is now a well established artist, it's perfectly fair that his art gets pricier in my opinion. As for the concept of the kits, you either like them or you don't! It's futile to argue about their purpose, it only leads to existential questions such as "what is art". I think they look great, even in the packaging. That's why all mine are still sealed. I have no problem with displaying them in the package, I believe it gives them a mysterious look seeing as the bag isn't fully transparent. That's my opinion, any comments welcome couldn't have put it better myself. Wed all like to see art work cheaper but being a collector and not a reseller I'm happy for the artist to charge a higher price if it puts off flippers and supports the artist in there street works. And if sometimes I'm out priced I'm not gonna cry about it, that's life. We don't have to have everything that's released. If it sells then the artist work will continue and that's a win win. Think how many would moan if all the big names did a banksy an stopped releasing prints and selling to the general public. Would be uproar! Stop your whining and if your that worried about having it get a better paid job so you can buy everything you see. Simple |
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 19:52:14 GMT 1, My complaint isn't about the price. An artist is free to sell their work for whatever they see fit. It's about his conceptual ideas behind what they're supposed to be
My complaint isn't about the price. An artist is free to sell their work for whatever they see fit. It's about his conceptual ideas behind what they're supposed to be
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Invader • Invasion Kits IK, by eschiff on Dec 6, 2014 20:09:04 GMT 1, My complaint isn't about the price. An artist is free to sell their work for whatever they see fit. It's about his conceptual ideas behind what they're supposed to be
For someone who loves all things GP, ... and whatson et al, i'd love to hear what their conceptual ideas are that you love so much as that is clearly important to you.
My complaint isn't about the price. An artist is free to sell their work for whatever they see fit. It's about his conceptual ideas behind what they're supposed to be you mean it's about how you think about what his concept should be. I love his conceptual ideas. And this kit is not, and has never been meant, to be stuck on the walls outside. His first kit, at 75 euros, was not meant to be bought and stuck on the walls. Despite the toungue in cheek packaging that you're interrpreting as gospel. For someone who loves all things GP, ... and whatson et al, i'd love to hear what their conceptual ideas are that you love so much as that is clearly important to you. |
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