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Why are neither this listing nor this eBay user (who is a brand new user) browsable via eBay search? This item is not showing up as sold on eBay as far as I can see. |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by robo on Apr 10, 2021 15:53:41 GMT 1, If these are already getting $6.5K on ebay... You are giving them away at this price on ebay. If you are going to sell one, which I wouldn't, I would really would hold off and put one in a major auction.
Except it doesn’t look like a real sale transaction...
If these are already getting $6.5K on ebay... You are giving them away at this price on ebay. If you are going to sell one, which I wouldn't, I would really would hold off and put one in a major auction. Except it doesn’t look like a real sale transaction... |
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Why are neither this listing nor this eBay user (who is a brand new user) browsable via eBay search? This item is not showing up as sold on eBay as far as I can see. Where are you based? I don't see it on ebay UK as I don't think they were shipping here, but it is definitely there if you change to the US site.  |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by Poster Bob on Apr 10, 2021 16:02:34 GMT 1, More uninformed nonsense in which everyone thinks there's a conspiracy afoot. What's really happening? They're just not looking at the completed auctions on eBay.COM.
More uninformed nonsense in which everyone thinks there's a conspiracy afoot. What's really happening? They're just not looking at the completed auctions on eBay.COM.
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by jimmyjam on Apr 10, 2021 18:49:10 GMT 1, Jesus guys... do people here not know of EBAY.COM?
Make sure to check out .com results before making these posts.
Jesus guys... do people here not know of EBAY.COM?
Make sure to check out .com results before making these posts.
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by tab1 on Apr 10, 2021 20:27:49 GMT 1, I think 🤔 that is probably another dog, although you will find Sam the golden retriever on the dog thread...it is fair to say a dog really is your best friend. I bet that's what this guy said too
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I think 🤔 that is probably another dog, although you will find Sam the golden retriever on the dog thread...it is fair to say a dog really is your best friend. I bet that's what this guy said too
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by RoboJ on Apr 10, 2021 20:27:51 GMT 1, Super pleased with mine! Looking forward to getting it framed.
http://instagram.com/p/CNfjzsHlMdP
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by robo on Apr 10, 2021 22:07:00 GMT 1, Why are neither this listing nor this eBay user (who is a brand new user) browsable via eBay search? This item is not showing up as sold on eBay as far as I can see. Where are you based? I don't see it on ebay UK as I don't think they were shipping here, but it is definitely there if you change to the US site.
Apologies, my bad and thanks for posting. I was just using the app... 😱
One has sold for $9.6k now...
Why are neither this listing nor this eBay user (who is a brand new user) browsable via eBay search? This item is not showing up as sold on eBay as far as I can see. Where are you based? I don't see it on ebay UK as I don't think they were shipping here, but it is definitely there if you change to the US site. Apologies, my bad and thanks for posting. I was just using the app... 😱 One has sold for $9.6k now... |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by robo on Apr 10, 2021 23:21:53 GMT 1,
Well I’d say price they’re willing to pay depends on which one they wanted. Often the simplest reason is the correct one.
Well I’d say price they’re willing to pay depends on which one they wanted. Often the simplest reason is the correct one. |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by whatsthestory on Apr 10, 2021 23:35:35 GMT 1, Sounds a bit too much for an open edition to triple in value in a month. Don't think it's some nefarious activity but perhaps someone getting ripped off. Expecting these to drop to cost ish with more on the market.
Sounds a bit too much for an open edition to triple in value in a month. Don't think it's some nefarious activity but perhaps someone getting ripped off. Expecting these to drop to cost ish with more on the market.
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by robo on Apr 10, 2021 23:42:15 GMT 1, Well I’d say price they’re willing to pay depends on which one they wanted. Often the simplest reason is the correct one. This was an open timed edition. This is not like a limited print that quickly sells out and people are actively looking to get one om ebay. The only people that were unaware of it a month ago will be buying it at an actual auction house, not actively searching on eBay.
Well you certainly can’t question watertight evidence like this.
Apologies everyone, I started this topic by misreading the UK eBay app and people seem keen to escalate it. I’m off to bed!
Well I’d say price they’re willing to pay depends on which one they wanted. Often the simplest reason is the correct one. This was an open timed edition. This is not like a limited print that quickly sells out and people are actively looking to get one om ebay. The only people that were unaware of it a month ago will be buying it at an actual auction house, not actively searching on eBay. Well you certainly can’t question watertight evidence like this. Apologies everyone, I started this topic by misreading the UK eBay app and people seem keen to escalate it. I’m off to bed! |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by Richy Rich on Apr 10, 2021 23:43:13 GMT 1, I’d have to agree. The kind of people who are happy to drop £5k or £10k on a print without much knowledge of it aren’t the type who go trawling on eBay on a Saturday night. Not saying there won’t be the odd exception but I also wouldn’t be surprised to find out that a lot of these initial ‘sales’ are faked in the hopes of scaring some potential buyers into a fomo mentally.
I’d have to agree. The kind of people who are happy to drop £5k or £10k on a print without much knowledge of it aren’t the type who go trawling on eBay on a Saturday night. Not saying there won’t be the odd exception but I also wouldn’t be surprised to find out that a lot of these initial ‘sales’ are faked in the hopes of scaring some potential buyers into a fomo mentally.
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by Poster Bob on Apr 10, 2021 23:49:59 GMT 1, More uninformed speculation. You can't explain it, you don't understand it, so it must be a conspiracy. You would be surprised how many galleries use eBay to source works for clients.
More uninformed speculation. You can't explain it, you don't understand it, so it must be a conspiracy. You would be surprised how many galleries use eBay to source works for clients.
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by Richy Rich on Apr 11, 2021 0:01:29 GMT 1, More uninformed speculation. You can't explain it, you don't understand it, so it must be a conspiracy. You would be surprised how many galleries use eBay to source works for clients.
Interesting point and one I hadn’t considered. However certainly doesn’t rule out the possibility of underhand sales techniques which take place on almost every sales platform.
More uninformed speculation. You can't explain it, you don't understand it, so it must be a conspiracy. You would be surprised how many galleries use eBay to source works for clients. Interesting point and one I hadn’t considered. However certainly doesn’t rule out the possibility of underhand sales techniques which take place on almost every sales platform. |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by Riotcops on Apr 11, 2021 0:44:25 GMT 1, Sounds a bit too much for an open edition to triple in value in a month. Don't think it's some nefarious activity but perhaps someone getting ripped off. Expecting these to drop to cost ish with more on the market.
I don't know how people miss these highly advertised week long releases, but they do. We see it time and time again.
Sounds a bit too much for an open edition to triple in value in a month. Don't think it's some nefarious activity but perhaps someone getting ripped off. Expecting these to drop to cost ish with more on the market. These are not an open edition. These will not be produced again. There is a difference. I don't know how people miss these highly advertised week long releases, but they do. We see it time and time again. |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by Poster Bob on Apr 11, 2021 0:58:57 GMT 1, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Within two months you'll have auction results from Artnet and so long as there isn't a glut in the market they'll all exceed the current Ebay sales.
More uninformed speculation. You can't explain it, you don't understand it, so it must be a conspiracy. You would be surprised how many galleries use eBay to source works for clients. Interesting point and one I hadn’t considered. However certainly doesn’t rule out the possibility of underhand sales techniques which take place on almost every sales platform.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Within two months you'll have auction results from Artnet and so long as there isn't a glut in the market they'll all exceed the current Ebay sales. More uninformed speculation. You can't explain it, you don't understand it, so it must be a conspiracy. You would be surprised how many galleries use eBay to source works for clients. Interesting point and one I hadn’t considered. However certainly doesn’t rule out the possibility of underhand sales techniques which take place on almost every sales platform. |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by Poster Bob on Apr 11, 2021 1:35:48 GMT 1, You just stick to illogical, paranoid, social-justice witch-hunts, and I'll stick to understanding the art market.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Within two months you'll have auction results from Artnet and so long as there isn't a glut in the market they'll all exceed the current Ebay sales. As long as the sales don't go down, they will go up. Brilliant logic and a way to cover all outcomes.
You just stick to illogical, paranoid, social-justice witch-hunts, and I'll stick to understanding the art market. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Within two months you'll have auction results from Artnet and so long as there isn't a glut in the market they'll all exceed the current Ebay sales. As long as the sales don't go down, they will go up. Brilliant logic and a way to cover all outcomes. |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by whatsthestory on Apr 11, 2021 8:23:38 GMT 1, Fascism eh, that escalated quickly
Fascism eh, that escalated quickly
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by Poster Bob on Apr 11, 2021 14:18:44 GMT 1, Just come back to this post when they hit Artnet.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Within two months you'll have auction results from Artnet and so long as there isn't a glut in the market they'll all exceed the current Ebay sales. To use your own phrase... "more uninformed speculation".
Just come back to this post when they hit Artnet. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Within two months you'll have auction results from Artnet and so long as there isn't a glut in the market they'll all exceed the current Ebay sales. To use your own phrase... "more uninformed speculation". |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by kdog on Apr 11, 2021 22:35:50 GMT 1, Politeness sells for £7k
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by d.r. perseus on Apr 11, 2021 22:38:41 GMT 1, Fascism eh, that escalated quickly
That’s his go to.
Fascism eh, that escalated quickly That’s his go to. |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by smj43 on Apr 12, 2021 0:19:15 GMT 1, To add some context to the debate, there are genuine buyers out there that missed the timed release, such as me. I’m now looking to pick one up off a flipper which understandably is going to mean paying a premium. The question is, should I be paying £7k plus on eBay? There are a few on there but only one has ‘sold’. Do I hold off in the hopes that the market will fall due to lack of demand because those who wanted it got it from source, or should I just pay the price and get one now for more than double the money??
As a side note; If anyone has one they want to flip, please PM me 😁
To add some context to the debate, there are genuine buyers out there that missed the timed release, such as me. I’m now looking to pick one up off a flipper which understandably is going to mean paying a premium. The question is, should I be paying £7k plus on eBay? There are a few on there but only one has ‘sold’. Do I hold off in the hopes that the market will fall due to lack of demand because those who wanted it got it from source, or should I just pay the price and get one now for more than double the money??
As a side note; If anyone has one they want to flip, please PM me 😁
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by smj43 on Apr 12, 2021 0:30:31 GMT 1, To add some context to the debate, there are genuine buyers out there that missed the timed release, such as me. I’m now looking to pick one up off a flipper which understandably is going to mean paying a premium. The question is, should I be paying £7k plus on eBay? There are a few on there but only one has ‘sold’. Do I hold off in the hopes that the market will fall due to lack of demand because those who wanted it got it from source, or should I just pay the price and get one now for more than double the money?? As a side note; If anyone has one they want to flip, please PM me 😁 You didn't have the funds a month or so ago, but were also buying Mason storm prints, which you then said you wanted to sell because one is too big. If the print is too big, the Hirst is even bigger. And because you couldn't afford it a month or so ago, you now have double the money and are wanting to spend double the cost. I can't tell if this account is real or not.
What are you talking about? Where did I say I didn’t have the funds? I know what size these are thanks.
To add some context to the debate, there are genuine buyers out there that missed the timed release, such as me. I’m now looking to pick one up off a flipper which understandably is going to mean paying a premium. The question is, should I be paying £7k plus on eBay? There are a few on there but only one has ‘sold’. Do I hold off in the hopes that the market will fall due to lack of demand because those who wanted it got it from source, or should I just pay the price and get one now for more than double the money?? As a side note; If anyone has one they want to flip, please PM me 😁 You didn't have the funds a month or so ago, but were also buying Mason storm prints, which you then said you wanted to sell because one is too big. If the print is too big, the Hirst is even bigger. And because you couldn't afford it a month or so ago, you now have double the money and are wanting to spend double the cost. I can't tell if this account is real or not. What are you talking about? Where did I say I didn’t have the funds? I know what size these are thanks. |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by jimmyjam on Apr 12, 2021 0:50:37 GMT 1, Anyone looking for one should jump on these ebays now and offer the seller low. This is your last chance to get them at these prices.
I think many people skipped or even want another one at somepoint. You’ll see them at major auctions and artnet going for 12k soon.
I wish I got an entire set now.
Anyone looking for one should jump on these ebays now and offer the seller low. This is your last chance to get them at these prices.
I think many people skipped or even want another one at somepoint. You’ll see them at major auctions and artnet going for 12k soon.
I wish I got an entire set now.
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by lawrencej on Apr 12, 2021 7:05:43 GMT 1, Personally I don’t think these will trade well, for a considerable time. There’s too many of them. This thread gives you a good indication of secondary demand. One person - questioned - bidding for a flip. Compare that to the Cage Prints thread which was a jamboree of buyers on the break. But that’s just an anecdote. The simple fact is that if these go up there’s an avalanche of them, held by weak hands, that will hit the market. But it will be a slow moving avalanche that essentially means these prints are capped medium term and take a very long time to go up significantly.
Case in point: Politeness was reported above to have sold for £7k. In fact, it sold for £4.5k. The buyer paid $3k, plus shipping, plus VAT, all of which adds up to about $3.7k. Sure, they made a little money, but not worth the hassle I would think.
No axe here - I’m long these prints, for enjoyment only.
Personally I don’t think these will trade well, for a considerable time. There’s too many of them. This thread gives you a good indication of secondary demand. One person - questioned - bidding for a flip. Compare that to the Cage Prints thread which was a jamboree of buyers on the break. But that’s just an anecdote. The simple fact is that if these go up there’s an avalanche of them, held by weak hands, that will hit the market. But it will be a slow moving avalanche that essentially means these prints are capped medium term and take a very long time to go up significantly.
Case in point: Politeness was reported above to have sold for £7k. In fact, it sold for £4.5k. The buyer paid $3k, plus shipping, plus VAT, all of which adds up to about $3.7k. Sure, they made a little money, but not worth the hassle I would think.
No axe here - I’m long these prints, for enjoyment only.
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by jimmyjam on Apr 12, 2021 7:37:10 GMT 1, Personally I don’t think these will trade well, for a considerable time. There’s too many of them. This thread gives you a good indication of secondary demand. One person - questioned - bidding for a flip. Compare that to the Cage Prints thread which was a jamboree of buyers on the break. But that’s just an anecdote. The simple fact is that if these go up there’s an avalanche of them, held by weak hands, that will hit the market. But it will be a slow moving avalanche that essentially means these prints are capped medium term and take a very long time to go up significantly. Case in point: Politeness was reported above to have sold for £7k. In fact, it sold for £4.5k. The buyer paid $3k, plus shipping, plus VAT, all of which adds up to about $3.7k. Sure, they made a little money, but not worth the hassle I would think. No axe here - I’m long these prints, for enjoyment only.
There was an application process for the Gerhard Richard which not everyone was able to get one.
The Damien Hirst was timed edition allowing everyone on this forum to get one. Again Hirst and artists at this level. UAA has very very limited impact on - sale or market wise.
I wouldn’t compare two totally different releases and concluded a market for these. These definitely have a top/cap price - but it hasn’t gotten close yet.
If there was a flood you would have seen it by now and also I believe the larger edition prints have been shipped out already.
Personally I don’t think these will trade well, for a considerable time. There’s too many of them. This thread gives you a good indication of secondary demand. One person - questioned - bidding for a flip. Compare that to the Cage Prints thread which was a jamboree of buyers on the break. But that’s just an anecdote. The simple fact is that if these go up there’s an avalanche of them, held by weak hands, that will hit the market. But it will be a slow moving avalanche that essentially means these prints are capped medium term and take a very long time to go up significantly. Case in point: Politeness was reported above to have sold for £7k. In fact, it sold for £4.5k. The buyer paid $3k, plus shipping, plus VAT, all of which adds up to about $3.7k. Sure, they made a little money, but not worth the hassle I would think. No axe here - I’m long these prints, for enjoyment only. There was an application process for the Gerhard Richard which not everyone was able to get one. The Damien Hirst was timed edition allowing everyone on this forum to get one. Again Hirst and artists at this level. UAA has very very limited impact on - sale or market wise. I wouldn’t compare two totally different releases and concluded a market for these. These definitely have a top/cap price - but it hasn’t gotten close yet. If there was a flood you would have seen it by now and also I believe the larger edition prints have been shipped out already. |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by Charlie Bronson on Apr 12, 2021 7:50:10 GMT 1, I’d have to think a number of galleries saw these as a bargain and scooped some sets up. Curious to see if and when we’ll start seeing them for sale at galleries. I regret not buying a complete set; only got Politeness.
I’d have to think a number of galleries saw these as a bargain and scooped some sets up. Curious to see if and when we’ll start seeing them for sale at galleries. I regret not buying a complete set; only got Politeness.
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by kdog on Apr 12, 2021 7:59:37 GMT 1, ......Case in point: Politeness was reported above to have sold for £7k. In fact, it sold for £4.5k. The buyer paid $3k, plus shipping, plus VAT, all of which adds up to about $3.7k. Sure, they made a little money, but not worth the hassle I would think. No axe here - I’m long these prints, for enjoyment only.
My bad - I just took the ‘sold’ page at face value
I’m waiting on delivery of Politeness but it’s for hanging on my wall - birthday present from my wife so not getting sold
......Case in point: Politeness was reported above to have sold for £7k. In fact, it sold for £4.5k. The buyer paid $3k, plus shipping, plus VAT, all of which adds up to about $3.7k. Sure, they made a little money, but not worth the hassle I would think. No axe here - I’m long these prints, for enjoyment only. My bad - I just took the ‘sold’ page at face value I’m waiting on delivery of Politeness but it’s for hanging on my wall - birthday present from my wife so not getting sold |
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Damien Hirst H9 • The Virtues, by lawrencej on Apr 12, 2021 8:20:21 GMT 1,
Oops - apologies, schoolboy error. I thought I had seen them all on eBay. I guess this was two sellers offering at the same price but trading at totally different levels. This situation has something for everyone: bulls can point to the individual nature of the market, bears can point to initial illiquidity indicating future demise. I’m in the middle. These won’t lose money, won’t go up a lot, and they will look great on my walls and those of my children, and so on...
Oops - apologies, schoolboy error. I thought I had seen them all on eBay. I guess this was two sellers offering at the same price but trading at totally different levels. This situation has something for everyone: bulls can point to the individual nature of the market, bears can point to initial illiquidity indicating future demise. I’m in the middle. These won’t lose money, won’t go up a lot, and they will look great on my walls and those of my children, and so on... |
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