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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 4, 2021 10:06:43 GMT 1, Hi everybody 
Do you know some forums like this one but for other types of Art (I want for example to sell some Vasarely, Sol Lewit, Harring, Lichtenstein, Gilbert & George, Robert Nonas, Max Bill, etc.) ?
Thanks a lot for your precious knowledge !
Hi everybody Do you know some forums like this one but for other types of Art (I want for example to sell some Vasarely, Sol Lewit, Harring, Lichtenstein, Gilbert & George, Robert Nonas, Max Bill, etc.) ? Thanks a lot for your precious knowledge ! |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 4, 2021 13:35:46 GMT 1, Thanks Mooncub ! I thought this forum was strictly urban/street and people will be annoyed if we post other types of art to sell 
But does anyone else know other forums where I can offer the kind of artworks I indicated in my 1st message ?
Thanks Mooncub ! I thought this forum was strictly urban/street and people will be annoyed if we post other types of art to sell But does anyone else know other forums where I can offer the kind of artworks I indicated in my 1st message ? |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by brycepen on Mar 4, 2021 13:40:43 GMT 1, Thanks Mooncub ! I thought this forum was strictly urban/street and people will be annoyed if we post other types of art to sell But does anyone else know other forums where I can offer the kind of artworks I indicated in my 1st message ?
I think it’s pretty safe to say that urban and street art has reached the level of respect typically reserved for more traditional “fine art”. Actually had a conversation with some artists about this topic earlier on Clubhouse. Post away buddy!
Thanks Mooncub ! I thought this forum was strictly urban/street and people will be annoyed if we post other types of art to sell But does anyone else know other forums where I can offer the kind of artworks I indicated in my 1st message ? I think it’s pretty safe to say that urban and street art has reached the level of respect typically reserved for more traditional “fine art”. Actually had a conversation with some artists about this topic earlier on Clubhouse. Post away buddy! |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 4, 2021 13:46:30 GMT 1, Onket that's this one (I don't know the size of the edition nor the price I want, the estimate by the Auction House was $1,000-$2,000) :
- DESCRIPTION
ROY LICHTENSTEIN (1923-1997)
Brushstroke, 1967 (Pasadena Art Museum)
Screenprint in colors on paper
23" x 30"
Signed lower right side in pencil
- CONDITION
good.
Do someone have any idea of the valuation of this screenprint ?
Onket that's this one (I don't know the size of the edition nor the price I want, the estimate by the Auction House was $1,000-$2,000) : - DESCRIPTION ROY LICHTENSTEIN (1923-1997) Brushstroke, 1967 (Pasadena Art Museum) Screenprint in colors on paper 23" x 30" Signed lower right side in pencil - CONDITION good. Do someone have any idea of the valuation of this screenprint ?
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by sleazus1slord on Mar 4, 2021 13:50:28 GMT 1, Not here..
Not here..
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 4, 2021 13:50:43 GMT 1, brycepen Thanks, OK I will (but most of them are not home arrived yet, they are on the road).
brycepen Thanks, OK I will (but most of them are not home arrived yet, they are on the road).
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 4, 2021 13:52:51 GMT 1, sleazus1slord "Not here" as I have to post it in the dedicated "valuation" thread or "not here" as this piece doesn't really belong to this forum theme ?
sleazus1slord "Not here" as I have to post it in the dedicated "valuation" thread or "not here" as this piece doesn't really belong to this forum theme ?
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by irl1 on Mar 4, 2021 13:57:32 GMT 1, Onket that's this one (I don't know the size of the edition nor the price I want, the estimate by the Auction House was $1,000-$2,000) : - DESCRIPTION ROY LICHTENSTEIN (1923-1997) Brushstroke, 1967 (Pasadena Art Museum) Screenprint in colors on paper 23" x 30" Signed lower right side in pencil - CONDITION good. Do someone have any idea of the valuation of this screenprint ?
Tons and tons of fakes with fake signatures.
Check sold lots in Sothebys & Christies you will see the difference in prices
Onket that's this one (I don't know the size of the edition nor the price I want, the estimate by the Auction House was $1,000-$2,000) : - DESCRIPTION ROY LICHTENSTEIN (1923-1997) Brushstroke, 1967 (Pasadena Art Museum) Screenprint in colors on paper 23" x 30" Signed lower right side in pencil - CONDITION good. Do someone have any idea of the valuation of this screenprint ? Tons and tons of fakes with fake signatures. Check sold lots in Sothebys & Christies you will see the difference in prices |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by brycepen on Mar 4, 2021 13:57:38 GMT 1, sleazus1slord "Not here" as I have to post it in the dedicated "valuation" thread or "not here" as this piece doesn't really belong to this forum theme ?
I’m going to guess that he means that this forum lacks experts in valuation of a Lichtenstein print.
sleazus1slord "Not here" as I have to post it in the dedicated "valuation" thread or "not here" as this piece doesn't really belong to this forum theme ? I’m going to guess that he means that this forum lacks experts in valuation of a Lichtenstein print. |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by brycepen on Mar 4, 2021 14:00:43 GMT 1, Onket that's this one (I don't know the size of the edition nor the price I want, the estimate by the Auction House was $1,000-$2,000) : - DESCRIPTION ROY LICHTENSTEIN (1923-1997) Brushstroke, 1967 (Pasadena Art Museum) Screenprint in colors on paper 23" x 30" Signed lower right side in pencil - CONDITION good. Do someone have any idea of the valuation of this screenprint ? Tons and tons of fakes with fake signatures. Check sold lots in Sothebys & Christies you will see the difference in prices
Wow, what an incredibly unhelpful post. What does the fact that there are fakes out there have to do with his post? Are you implying Sotheby’s and Christie’s are selling fakes with wildly varying prices?
Onket that's this one (I don't know the size of the edition nor the price I want, the estimate by the Auction House was $1,000-$2,000) : - DESCRIPTION ROY LICHTENSTEIN (1923-1997) Brushstroke, 1967 (Pasadena Art Museum) Screenprint in colors on paper 23" x 30" Signed lower right side in pencil - CONDITION good. Do someone have any idea of the valuation of this screenprint ? Tons and tons of fakes with fake signatures. Check sold lots in Sothebys & Christies you will see the difference in prices Wow, what an incredibly unhelpful post. What does the fact that there are fakes out there have to do with his post? Are you implying Sotheby’s and Christie’s are selling fakes with wildly varying prices? |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by LJCal on Mar 4, 2021 14:03:59 GMT 1, As IRL1 says it’s hard to value Lichtenstein signed ephemera because a lot of fakes, if it has very strong provenance with evidence it’s probably worth £2-3k, without it I would say £300-500. The signature looks ok but I’ve seen some of his signatures that I thought were real and turned out fake.
As IRL1 says it’s hard to value Lichtenstein signed ephemera because a lot of fakes, if it has very strong provenance with evidence it’s probably worth £2-3k, without it I would say £300-500. The signature looks ok but I’ve seen some of his signatures that I thought were real and turned out fake.
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by irl1 on Mar 4, 2021 14:11:13 GMT 1, Tons and tons of fakes with fake signatures. Check sold lots in Sothebys & Christies you will see the difference in prices Wow, what an incredibly unhelpful post. What does the fact that there are fakes out there have to do with his post? Are you implying Sotheby’s and Christie’s are selling fakes with wildly varying prices?
Call it what you want I'm just letting him know about watching out for fakes. I see about 8/10 fakes every week in auctions.
If you read my post again you will see I was getting him to check prices of real ones in Sothebys/Christies
He can also see what a real one looks like and check signatures.
Have a nice day
Tons and tons of fakes with fake signatures. Check sold lots in Sothebys & Christies you will see the difference in prices Wow, what an incredibly unhelpful post. What does the fact that there are fakes out there have to do with his post? Are you implying Sotheby’s and Christie’s are selling fakes with wildly varying prices? Call it what you want I'm just letting him know about watching out for fakes. I see about 8/10 fakes every week in auctions. If you read my post again you will see I was getting him to check prices of real ones in Sothebys/Christies He can also see what a real one looks like and check signatures. Have a nice day |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by irl1 on Mar 4, 2021 14:18:03 GMT 1, Onket that's this one (I don't know the size of the edition nor the price I want, the estimate by the Auction House was $1,000-$2,000) : - DESCRIPTION ROY LICHTENSTEIN (1923-1997) Brushstroke, 1967 (Pasadena Art Museum) Screenprint in colors on paper 23" x 30" Signed lower right side in pencil - CONDITION good. Do someone have any idea of the valuation of this screenprint ?
What's the name of the auction house
Onket that's this one (I don't know the size of the edition nor the price I want, the estimate by the Auction House was $1,000-$2,000) : - DESCRIPTION ROY LICHTENSTEIN (1923-1997) Brushstroke, 1967 (Pasadena Art Museum) Screenprint in colors on paper 23" x 30" Signed lower right side in pencil - CONDITION good. Do someone have any idea of the valuation of this screenprint ? What's the name of the auction house |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 4, 2021 15:16:33 GMT 1, Onket Thank you 
brycepen irl1 LJCal Wow there are fakes everywhere  . I don't say that ironically, for true I'm disapointed by all I learn here. I knew there were some, but not so many. I think my last option is to see a real expert (as I thought Christie's, Sotheby's, Phillips were but from what you say it's not so true). But I don't know how to do it... Do you have any idea on how I can authenticate an artwork (in France please  ) ?
irl1 The Auction House is Black River Auction. I just made researchs and yeah they can sell fakes... I think it's intolerable, an auction house has 1 job (in my mind): verify that the artworks are real & authenticated. But I begin to think their 1 job is just to make money with buyer's premiums without taking care of the lots ther are selling... It's a total disgrace.
Onket Thank you brycepen irl1 LJCal Wow there are fakes everywhere . I don't say that ironically, for true I'm disapointed by all I learn here. I knew there were some, but not so many. I think my last option is to see a real expert (as I thought Christie's, Sotheby's, Phillips were but from what you say it's not so true). But I don't know how to do it... Do you have any idea on how I can authenticate an artwork (in France please ) ? irl1 The Auction House is Black River Auction. I just made researchs and yeah they can sell fakes... I think it's intolerable, an auction house has 1 job (in my mind): verify that the artworks are real & authenticated. But I begin to think their 1 job is just to make money with buyer's premiums without taking care of the lots ther are selling... It's a total disgrace.
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by irl1 on Mar 4, 2021 15:54:52 GMT 1, Onket Thank you brycepen irl1 LJCal Wow there are fakes everywhere . I don't say that ironically, for true I'm disapointed by all I learn here. I knew there were some, but not so many. I think my last option is to see a real expert (as I thought Christie's, Sotheby's, Phillips were but from what you say it's not so true). But I don't know how to do it... Do you have any idea on how I can authenticate an artwork (in France please ) ? irl1 The Auction House is Black River Auction. I just made researchs and yeah they can sell fakes... I think it's intolerable, an auction house has 1 job (in my mind): verify that the artworks are real & authenticated. But I begin to think their 1 job is just to make money with buyer's premiums without taking care of the lots ther are selling... It's a total disgrace.
On another note, Black River Auctions are in my top 5 worst auction houses in the WORLD
www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/193430_fine-art-session-ii/
Onket Thank you brycepen irl1 LJCal Wow there are fakes everywhere . I don't say that ironically, for true I'm disapointed by all I learn here. I knew there were some, but not so many. I think my last option is to see a real expert (as I thought Christie's, Sotheby's, Phillips were but from what you say it's not so true). But I don't know how to do it... Do you have any idea on how I can authenticate an artwork (in France please ) ? irl1 The Auction House is Black River Auction. I just made researchs and yeah they can sell fakes... I think it's intolerable, an auction house has 1 job (in my mind): verify that the artworks are real & authenticated. But I begin to think their 1 job is just to make money with buyer's premiums without taking care of the lots ther are selling... It's a total disgrace. No you took me up wrong Sothebys, Christies and Phillips are the top 3 auction houses On another note, Black River Auctions are in my top 5 worst auction houses in the WORLD www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/193430_fine-art-session-ii/ |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by Pawel on Mar 4, 2021 16:00:57 GMT 1, Too bad Roy didn’t release NFTs. There would be no problems with fakes
Too bad Roy didn’t release NFTs. There would be no problems with fakes
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 4, 2021 16:03:28 GMT 1, John The Badgers Thanks, I just saw the thread you posted...terrifying auction house 
irl1 Thanks, I now understand (see above) why Black river is in your top 5 worst  . Ok, for Sothebys, Christies and Phillips I can have faith in them then
And again for everybody :
Do you have any idea on how I can authenticate an artwork (in France please ) ?
John The Badgers Thanks, I just saw the thread you posted...terrifying auction house irl1 Thanks, I now understand (see above) why Black river is in your top 5 worst . Ok, for Sothebys, Christies and Phillips I can have faith in them then And again for everybody : Do you have any idea on how I can authenticate an artwork (in France please ) ?
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 4, 2021 16:05:54 GMT 1, Pawel My english is not fluent (almost but...), so I didn't understand a word of what you said, can you please explain me what you wanted to say ?
Pawel My english is not fluent (almost but...), so I didn't understand a word of what you said, can you please explain me what you wanted to say ?
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by Pawel on Mar 4, 2021 16:11:48 GMT 1, Pawel My english is not fluent (almost but...), so I didn't understand a word of what you said, can you please explain me what you wanted to say ?
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 4, 2021 16:18:20 GMT 1, Pawel I almost understood everything , but what is NFT ?
Pawel I almost understood everything , but what is NFT ?
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by Criminal Mischief on Mar 4, 2021 16:50:18 GMT 1, Regardless of what he's looking to sell, I too would be interested if anyone is aware of similar forums that are more Contemporary Art-driven.
From the responses above I'll assume that's a no. But if anyone does know a good one and they wouldn't mind sharing, I'd definitely be interested.
Regardless of what he's looking to sell, I too would be interested if anyone is aware of similar forums that are more Contemporary Art-driven.
From the responses above I'll assume that's a no. But if anyone does know a good one and they wouldn't mind sharing, I'd definitely be interested.
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by irl1 on Mar 4, 2021 16:57:43 GMT 1, Pawel My english is not fluent (almost but...), so I didn't understand a word of what you said, can you please explain me what you wanted to say ? It’s my fault, it made no sense. I’ve updated it.
Now Lroy can't understand it
Pawel My english is not fluent (almost but...), so I didn't understand a word of what you said, can you please explain me what you wanted to say ? It’s my fault, it made no sense. I’ve updated it. Now Lroy can't understand it |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by irl1 on Mar 4, 2021 17:02:31 GMT 1, John The Badgers Thanks, I just saw the thread you posted...terrifying auction house irl1 Thanks, I now understand (see above) why Black river is in your top 5 worst . Ok, for Sothebys, Christies and Phillips I can have faith in them then And again for everybody : Do you have any idea on how I can authenticate an artwork (in France please ) ?
The Roy Lichtenstein foundation is closed down, but you can still use it to look at his art
www.imageduplicator.com/main.php?decade=60&year=67&work_id=3545#
lichtensteinfoundation.org/
news.artnet.com/art-world/lichtenstein-foundation-closing-1298477
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by Lazarus II on Mar 4, 2021 18:29:17 GMT 1, There is some excellent Lichtenstein knowledge on this board. In a previous life on here I bought a Whaam diptych from a good member and the works came with excellent provenance and traceable history. I had some correspondence with a couple of members on the works i bought and Lichtenstein in general, sadly all of those DM's were purged when I bit the dust and I cant recall the names of the members who gave me excellent information.
Suffice to say with Lichtenstein, provenance is key and as much history you have on the print as possible will assist in getting a sale.
I am certain that the Whaam I have is legit based on the provenance it has and what I would say is that the signature on the print in this thread looks somewhat different from the signature on the print I have.
That might not mean anything and Lichtenstein signatures could vary between prints, I have no idea, but there will be some folks on here with good knowledge of this.
There is some excellent Lichtenstein knowledge on this board. In a previous life on here I bought a Whaam diptych from a good member and the works came with excellent provenance and traceable history. I had some correspondence with a couple of members on the works i bought and Lichtenstein in general, sadly all of those DM's were purged when I bit the dust and I cant recall the names of the members who gave me excellent information.
Suffice to say with Lichtenstein, provenance is key and as much history you have on the print as possible will assist in getting a sale.
I am certain that the Whaam I have is legit based on the provenance it has and what I would say is that the signature on the print in this thread looks somewhat different from the signature on the print I have.
That might not mean anything and Lichtenstein signatures could vary between prints, I have no idea, but there will be some folks on here with good knowledge of this.
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by John The Badgers on Mar 4, 2021 19:58:20 GMT 1, Good advice above, and just my comment, but without a COA, picture of it being signed, you will never be able to categorically confirm, and as Irl1 quite rightly says, an awful lot of fakes about?
A bit like the Stik items you often see, all a bit vague, and wide open for people to profiteer. At the end of the day, not eye surgery for any Shyster to forge a signature.
If I was selling it, I'd play it with a straight bat, you can give all the details you hold, and focus on the positives, and allow the buyer to decide if its one for them.
I'm no expert, but is this where eBay comes in? A clear ad, and it will find its value?
Good advice above, and just my comment, but without a COA, picture of it being signed, you will never be able to categorically confirm, and as Irl1 quite rightly says, an awful lot of fakes about?
A bit like the Stik items you often see, all a bit vague, and wide open for people to profiteer. At the end of the day, not eye surgery for any Shyster to forge a signature.
If I was selling it, I'd play it with a straight bat, you can give all the details you hold, and focus on the positives, and allow the buyer to decide if its one for them.
I'm no expert, but is this where eBay comes in? A clear ad, and it will find its value?
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 5, 2021 11:12:37 GMT 1, What a lot of advices ! Thanks to all of you !
irl1 Thanks for all those links regarding Roy Lichstentein, really useful, I bookmarked them instantly !
Mooncub Thanks for the tips, you rock !
Lazarus II OK, many thanks, I will try to find those knowledge-full people !
John The Badgers Thanks for the selling tips, yeah maybe on eBay (but I can't sell no more there as I have a a selling limit that is fully already reached with only 1 or 2 items !!)
And for those who didn't see my other message, I sell some sculptures (Arsham, Kaws, Banksy's MedicomToy, etc.) right here : urbanartassociation.com/thread/170642/selling-sculptures-arsham-banksy-murakami
What a lot of advices ! Thanks to all of you ! irl1 Thanks for all those links regarding Roy Lichstentein, really useful, I bookmarked them instantly ! Mooncub Thanks for the tips, you rock ! Lazarus II OK, many thanks, I will try to find those knowledge-full people ! John The Badgers Thanks for the selling tips, yeah maybe on eBay (but I can't sell no more there as I have a a selling limit that is fully already reached with only 1 or 2 items !!) And for those who didn't see my other message, I sell some sculptures ( Arsham, Kaws, Banksy's MedicomToy, etc.) right here : urbanartassociation.com/thread/170642/selling-sculptures-arsham-banksy-murakami |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by irl1 on Mar 5, 2021 11:44:44 GMT 1, What a lot of advices ! Thanks to all of you ! irl1 Thanks for all those links regarding Roy Lichstentein, really useful, I bookmarked them instantly ! Mooncub Thanks for the tips, you rock ! Lazarus II OK, many thanks, I will try to find those knowledge-full people ! John The Badgers Thanks for the selling tips, yeah maybe on eBay (but I can't sell no more there as I have a a selling limit that is fully already reached with only 1 or 2 items !!) And for those who didn't see my other message, I sell some sculptures ( Arsham, Kaws, Banksy's MedicomToy, etc.) right here : urbanartassociation.com/thread/170642/selling-sculptures-arsham-banksy-murakami
What a lot of advices ! Thanks to all of you ! irl1 Thanks for all those links regarding Roy Lichstentein, really useful, I bookmarked them instantly ! Mooncub Thanks for the tips, you rock ! Lazarus II OK, many thanks, I will try to find those knowledge-full people ! John The Badgers Thanks for the selling tips, yeah maybe on eBay (but I can't sell no more there as I have a a selling limit that is fully already reached with only 1 or 2 items !!) And for those who didn't see my other message, I sell some sculptures ( Arsham, Kaws, Banksy's MedicomToy, etc.) right here : urbanartassociation.com/thread/170642/selling-sculptures-arsham-banksy-murakamiebay will up your limit if you message them |
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Forums for selling non street/urban art , by elisajafa on Mar 5, 2021 16:02:38 GMT 1, irl1 I did and they suspended one of my accounts  (with no reason, despite I followed all their recommandations : photos of my ID next to the items, invoices of the items, etc. I then spoke to them, they didn't wanted to tell me the reason just that this was their final decision...). So now I still have 2 eBay accounts, one with 3000€ limits the other with 6000€ limits, but it represent at all 3 items, so nothnig compared to what I have to sell...)
irl1 I did and they suspended one of my accounts (with no reason, despite I followed all their recommandations : photos of my ID next to the items, invoices of the items, etc. I then spoke to them, they didn't wanted to tell me the reason just that this was their final decision...). So now I still have 2 eBay accounts, one with 3000€ limits the other with 6000€ limits, but it represent at all 3 items, so nothnig compared to what I have to sell...)
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. I don't say that ironically, for true I'm disapointed by all I learn here. I knew there were some, but not so many. I think my last option is to see a real expert (as I thought Christie's, Sotheby's, Phillips were but from what you say it's not so true). But I don't know how to do it... Do you have any idea on how I can authenticate an artwork (in France please 
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. Ok, for Sothebys, Christies and Phillips I can have faith in them then 
(with no reason, despite I followed all their recommandations : photos of my ID next to the items, invoices of the items, etc. I then spoke to them, they didn't wanted to tell me the reason just that this was their final decision...). So now I still have 2 eBay accounts, one with 3000€ limits the other with 6000€ limits, but it represent at all 3 items, so nothnig compared to what I have to sell...)
