Lazarus II
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Lazarus II on Aug 26, 2020 11:41:56 GMT 1, So who will be the sucker who forgets about the 30% premium and massively over pays for that one? If you've got Β£50k plus to drop on a piece of art you'd hope you'd be wise to additional auction costs. Given this is the first to come up for auction, couldn't really say any price would be overpaying, because we don't know what the benchmark is. This is setting the benchmark.
whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now.
So who will be the sucker who forgets about the 30% premium and massively over pays for that one? If you've got Β£50k plus to drop on a piece of art you'd hope you'd be wise to additional auction costs. Given this is the first to come up for auction, couldn't really say any price would be overpaying, because we don't know what the benchmark is. This is setting the benchmark. whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Argiebaji on Aug 26, 2020 11:50:15 GMT 1, I'm struggling to see current bids.
Am I the only one?
I'm struggling to see current bids.
Am I the only one?
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Graham H
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Graham H on Aug 26, 2020 11:54:19 GMT 1, I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer
It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc..
I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires.
Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days
If you've got Β£50k plus to drop on a piece of art you'd hope you'd be wise to additional auction costs. Given this is the first to come up for auction, couldn't really say any price would be overpaying, because we don't know what the benchmark is. This is setting the benchmark. whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now.
I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc.. I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires. Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days If you've got Β£50k plus to drop on a piece of art you'd hope you'd be wise to additional auction costs. Given this is the first to come up for auction, couldn't really say any price would be overpaying, because we don't know what the benchmark is. This is setting the benchmark. whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Winter on Aug 26, 2020 11:58:58 GMT 1, If you've got Β£50k plus to drop on a piece of art you'd hope you'd be wise to additional auction costs. Given this is the first to come up for auction, couldn't really say any price would be overpaying, because we don't know what the benchmark is. This is setting the benchmark. whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now.
If you've got Β£50k plus to drop on a piece of art you'd hope you'd be wise to additional auction costs. Given this is the first to come up for auction, couldn't really say any price would be overpaying, because we don't know what the benchmark is. This is setting the benchmark. whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now. Not if they pay Β£120k. No way the other 599 prints will stay at that price when people start offloading them. It is quite possible you'll get 2 people getting carried away and massively overpaying for this. Choose Your Weapon would be a better benchmark for these. Obviously there are a lot of owners who will be hyping this one as much as possible. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 12:01:40 GMT 1, U/S Silver Flags (average condition) already at Β£17k+ (inc fees.) Has this started to move ahead of prints like Napalm as the cheapest entry point?
U/S Silver Flags (average condition) already at Β£17k+ (inc fees.) Has this started to move ahead of prints like Napalm as the cheapest entry point?
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by F*X on Aug 26, 2020 12:07:33 GMT 1, I surprised to see 6 prints with no bids with just over a day remaining.
I surprised to see 6 prints with no bids with just over a day remaining.
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Matt
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Matt on Aug 26, 2020 12:08:02 GMT 1, I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc..Β I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires. Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now.
Spot on
Additionally, assuming the COA will be transferred to the buyer is probably fine, but donβt forget this could also simply be a fake.
There was enough photos and details published about timelines, emails, packaging etc that it is not that hard to forge the whole thing and fling it through a lower tier auction house
I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc..Β I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires. Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now. Spot on Additionally, assuming the COA will be transferred to the buyer is probably fine, but donβt forget this could also simply be a fake. There was enough photos and details published about timelines, emails, packaging etc that it is not that hard to forge the whole thing and fling it through a lower tier auction house |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Dive Jedi on Aug 26, 2020 12:09:47 GMT 1, I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc.. I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires. Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now.
Reading the description on GDP it even appeared the COA will be issued automaticly
without applying for one. And will be sent to the original adress of the original buyer.
Not issuing a COA will just create chaos in the market.
The only possible problem (IMO) that could occur will be that the original buyer
does not provide the COA to the new owner. Or that he will demand more money
before doing so. So there should be some very clear paperwork in place to make sure
the COA will be provided once issued.
In the listing it says :
"Pest Control Certificate Of Authenticity Pending, this will be forwarded to the buyer when received
"
It would be in the interest of the auction house and the buyer to have some security in that....
I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc.. I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires. Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now. I think a COA not being issued are slim to none. Reading the description on GDP it even appeared the COA will be issued automaticly without applying for one. And will be sent to the original adress of the original buyer. Not issuing a COA will just create chaos in the market. The only possible problem (IMO) that could occur will be that the original buyer does not provide the COA to the new owner. Or that he will demand more money before doing so. So there should be some very clear paperwork in place to make sure the COA will be provided once issued. In the listing it says : "Pest Control Certificate Of Authenticity Pending, this will be forwarded to the buyer when received " It would be in the interest of the auction house and the buyer to have some security in that.... |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by JW on Aug 26, 2020 12:25:48 GMT 1, I think a COA not being issued are slim to none. Reading the description on GDP it even appeared the COA will be issued automaticly without applying for one. And will be sent to the original adress of the original buyer. Not issuing a COA will just create chaos in the market.
I think a COA not being issued are slim to none. Reading the description on GDP it even appeared the COA will be issued automaticly without applying for one. And will be sent to the original adress of the original buyer. Not issuing a COA will just create chaos in the market. I tend to agree. I know that the delay in issuing the COA is intended to discourage people buying from flippers, but why would Pest Control punish someone who's just spent a fortune on a legitimate print? It's the seller that's done the "wrong" thing in their eyes. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by sbash on Aug 26, 2020 12:29:08 GMT 1, I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc.. I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires. Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days Spot on Additionally, assuming the COA will be transferred to the buyer is probably fine, but donβt forget this could also simply be a fake. There was enough photos and details published about timelines, emails, packaging etc that it is not that hard to forge the whole thing and fling it through a lower tier auction house
Highly unlikely as there will be a clear email trail, receipts, packaging from FL etc etc....
I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc.. I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires. Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days Spot on Additionally, assuming the COA will be transferred to the buyer is probably fine, but donβt forget this could also simply be a fake. There was enough photos and details published about timelines, emails, packaging etc that it is not that hard to forge the whole thing and fling it through a lower tier auction house Highly unlikely as there will be a clear email trail, receipts, packaging from FL etc etc.... |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by teabaggins on Aug 26, 2020 12:34:43 GMT 1, Auction actually ends on Thursday. Still at Β£50k with 3 bidders
Already well overpriced.
Auction actually ends on Thursday. Still at Β£50k with 3 bidders Already well overpriced. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by iamzero on Aug 26, 2020 12:36:12 GMT 1, Itβd be funny if not issuing the COA if the print were sold was part of the We will verify you are an art collector. Not likely though.
Itβd be funny if not issuing the COA if the print were sold was part of the We will verify you are an art collector. Not likely though.
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Graham H
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Graham H on Aug 26, 2020 12:46:02 GMT 1, Slim to none might be your thought.. but still not guaranteed and that was my point.. whichever way you look at this, there is a risk.. and that was what I was highlighting
I hadnt thought about the ongoing legalities of the seller actually producing the COA for the new buyer ( and what would happen if they dont ) .. and even if and when thats done, there is nothing to stop PC messing about in getting the transfer officially done for as long as they want.. its taking ages already.. so could potentially take years if they wanted to be like that
Saying that, not sure why im really thinking about all this, ive more than enough other things to think about and I wont be buying it.. so best I move on! 
I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc.. I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires. Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days I think a COA not being issued are slim to none. Reading the description on GDP it even appeared the COA will be issued automaticly without applying for one. And will be sent to the original adress of the original buyer. Not issuing a COA will just create chaos in the market. The only possible problem (IMO) that could occur will be that the original buyer does not provide the COA to the new owner. Or that he will demand more money before doing so. So there should be some very clear paperwork in place to make sure the COA will be provided once issued. In the listing it says : "Pest Control Certificate Of Authenticity Pending, this will be forwarded to the buyer when received " It would be in the interest of the auction house and the buyer to have some security in that....
Slim to none might be your thought.. but still not guaranteed and that was my point.. whichever way you look at this, there is a risk.. and that was what I was highlighting I hadnt thought about the ongoing legalities of the seller actually producing the COA for the new buyer ( and what would happen if they dont ) .. and even if and when thats done, there is nothing to stop PC messing about in getting the transfer officially done for as long as they want.. its taking ages already.. so could potentially take years if they wanted to be like that Saying that, not sure why im really thinking about all this, ive more than enough other things to think about and I wont be buying it.. so best I move on! I would say its a massive risk in my opinion.. Seller will be fine with the cash, but what about the buyer It appears clear that the rules of the game are changing rapidly, and whats to say that there will ever be a COA issued to this piece when the time comes on the back of it not being the original owner etc.. I just think its so unclear currently what may happen that someone spending Β£70k plus ( inc fees ) on this isnt 100% sure that it may be worth substantially less with no COA if that is what transpires. Then again, it could all be fine and its worth Β£135k as already quoted just a few times in the year to come..and its happy days I think a COA not being issued are slim to none. Reading the description on GDP it even appeared the COA will be issued automaticly without applying for one. And will be sent to the original adress of the original buyer. Not issuing a COA will just create chaos in the market. The only possible problem (IMO) that could occur will be that the original buyer does not provide the COA to the new owner. Or that he will demand more money before doing so. So there should be some very clear paperwork in place to make sure the COA will be provided once issued. In the listing it says : "Pest Control Certificate Of Authenticity Pending, this will be forwarded to the buyer when received " It would be in the interest of the auction house and the buyer to have some security in that.... |
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Lazarus II
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Lazarus II on Aug 26, 2020 13:08:03 GMT 1, whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now. Not if they pay Β£120k. No way the other 599 prints will stay at that price when people start offloading them. It is quite possible you'll get 2 people getting carried away and massively overpaying for this. Choose Your Weapon would be a better benchmark for these. Obviously there are a lot of owners who will be hyping this one as much as possible.
I don't own this print and at these prices it's unlikely I ever will.
whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now. Not if they pay Β£120k. No way the other 599 prints will stay at that price when people start offloading them. It is quite possible you'll get 2 people getting carried away and massively overpaying for this. Choose Your Weapon would be a better benchmark for these. Obviously there are a lot of owners who will be hyping this one as much as possible. aye you are probably right, didn't think on the edition size and the likelihood that a number who were lucky enough to get them will likely shift them on. I don't own this print and at these prices it's unlikely I ever will. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by irl1 on Aug 26, 2020 13:12:19 GMT 1, I think a COA not being issued are slim to none. Reading the description on GDP it even appeared the COA will be issued automaticly without applying for one. And will be sent to the original adress of the original buyer. Not issuing a COA will just create chaos in the market. I tend to agree. I know that the delay in issuing the COA is intended to discourage people buying from flippers, but why would Pest Control punish someone who's just spent a fortune on a legitimate print? It's the seller that's done the "wrong" thing in their eyes.
Anyone who really wants to bid on this will do their homework
Pest Control Certificate Of Authenticity Pending, this will be forwarded to the buyer when received
Further Provenance Information available on request
I think a COA not being issued are slim to none. Reading the description on GDP it even appeared the COA will be issued automaticly without applying for one. And will be sent to the original adress of the original buyer. Not issuing a COA will just create chaos in the market. I tend to agree. I know that the delay in issuing the COA is intended to discourage people buying from flippers, but why would Pest Control punish someone who's just spent a fortune on a legitimate print? It's the seller that's done the "wrong" thing in their eyes. Anyone who really wants to bid on this will do their homework Pest Control Certificate Of Authenticity Pending, this will be forwarded to the buyer when received Further Provenance Information available on request |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 13:14:24 GMT 1, I surprised to see 6 prints with no bids with just over a day remaining.
I surprised to see 6 prints with no bids with just over a day remaining. Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for Β£40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly Β£60,000, inc. fees. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 13:17:27 GMT 1, whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now. Not if they pay Β£120k. No way the other 599 prints will stay at that price when people start offloading them. It is quite possible you'll get 2 people getting carried away and massively overpaying for this. Choose Your Weapon would be a better benchmark for these. Obviously there are a lot of owners who will be hyping this one as much as possible.
whatever it sells for is likely to b a bargain or a good buy when looked at 12 mths from now. Not if they pay Β£120k. No way the other 599 prints will stay at that price when people start offloading them. It is quite possible you'll get 2 people getting carried away and massively overpaying for this. Choose Your Weapon would be a better benchmark for these. Obviously there are a lot of owners who will be hyping this one as much as possible. Still don't understand why it's thought this print has a massively higher value than pretty much any other. The number of Banksy prints over Β£100k is tiny. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by samo on Aug 26, 2020 13:25:45 GMT 1, I surprised to see 6 prints with no bids with just over a day remaining. Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for Β£40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly Β£60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
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Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
I surprised to see 6 prints with no bids with just over a day remaining. Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for Β£40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly Β£60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 13:27:51 GMT 1, Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for Β£40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly Β£60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for Β£40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly Β£60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
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Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
Ah. My apologies. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by 18921892 on Aug 26, 2020 13:31:10 GMT 1, Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for Β£40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly Β£60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for Β£40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly Β£60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size? |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Matt on Aug 26, 2020 13:34:38 GMT 1, Spot on Additionally, assuming the COA will be transferred to the buyer is probably fine, but donβt forget this could also simply be a fake. There was enough photos and details published about timelines, emails, packaging etc that it is not that hard to forge the whole thing and fling it through a lower tier auction house Highly unlikely as there will be a clear email trail, receipts, packaging from FL etc etc....
Spot on Additionally, assuming the COA will be transferred to the buyer is probably fine, but donβt forget this could also simply be a fake. There was enough photos and details published about timelines, emails, packaging etc that it is not that hard to forge the whole thing and fling it through a lower tier auction house Highly unlikely as there will be a clear email trail, receipts, packaging from FL etc etc.... The point is that even if "unlikely", it's not impossible (I would argue it's not even very difficult) and certainly to a risk worth taking at that price |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by chuckle on Aug 26, 2020 13:44:25 GMT 1, This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
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Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size?
Hand finished handles π
This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size? Hand finished handles π |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Nuno on Aug 26, 2020 13:44:35 GMT 1, This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size?
Think it was on βend paperβ...?
This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size? Think it was on βend paperβ...? |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by saint on Aug 26, 2020 13:55:08 GMT 1, I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights.
I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point.....
BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day.
Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above.....
I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights.
I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point.....
BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day.
Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above.....
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Sundowner on Aug 26, 2020 13:55:33 GMT 1, How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size? Hand finished handles π
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size? Hand finished handles π Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by chuckle on Aug 26, 2020 14:12:29 GMT 1, Hand finished handles π Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles....
Sorry - couldnβt help myself...
Hand finished handles π Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... Sorry - couldnβt help myself... |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Graham H on Aug 26, 2020 14:32:49 GMT 1, and neither could Sundowner jumping in...
Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... Sorry - couldnβt help myself...
and neither could Sundowner jumping in... Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... Sorry - couldnβt help myself... |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by woodman on Aug 26, 2020 16:10:25 GMT 1, U/S Silver Flags (average condition) already at Β£17k+ (inc fees.) Has this started to move ahead of prints like Napalm as the cheapest entry point?
U/S Silver Flags (average condition) already at Β£17k+ (inc fees.) Has this started to move ahead of prints like Napalm as the cheapest entry point? Over 20k now with fees. |
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TateWard β’ Art Auctions π¬π§, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 16:34:41 GMT 1, I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights. I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point..... BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day. Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above.....
I do own it and agree on value. I would be fine with it not increasing (comparatively) massively because I don't want the huge insurance premium or fear of having something so valuable on my wall.
It's not that big an edition, for Banksy, is it? There are 750 Girl With Balloon, inc. signed and unsigned. Donuts is 598. Lots of big numbers on his editions.
Interested if you meant anything specific on the crown? One of the reasons I like Banksquiat so much is that it has layers of meaning to it. I like that it's Banksy taking the piss out of himself, for jumping on the Basquiat ride with everyone else. But at the same time he's using the crown to show respect to someone who influenced him, in the same way Basquiat sometimes did. Could also say that where Basquiat crowned people, whether himself or his heroes, reverently, Banksy's ride is saying crowns are cheap now. You can have your ride as the king without earning it. I'm not that well read on Basquiat, so if there's another reading I'd love to know.
Like you, Banksquiat isn't my favourite but I do love it. If it does hit a stupid price I may one day sell it and get a Soup Can instead. That's my favourite. I think it's the most elegant, witty encapsulation of Banksy.
I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights. I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point..... BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day. Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above..... I do own it and agree on value. I would be fine with it not increasing (comparatively) massively because I don't want the huge insurance premium or fear of having something so valuable on my wall. It's not that big an edition, for Banksy, is it? There are 750 Girl With Balloon, inc. signed and unsigned. Donuts is 598. Lots of big numbers on his editions. Interested if you meant anything specific on the crown? One of the reasons I like Banksquiat so much is that it has layers of meaning to it. I like that it's Banksy taking the piss out of himself, for jumping on the Basquiat ride with everyone else. But at the same time he's using the crown to show respect to someone who influenced him, in the same way Basquiat sometimes did. Could also say that where Basquiat crowned people, whether himself or his heroes, reverently, Banksy's ride is saying crowns are cheap now. You can have your ride as the king without earning it. I'm not that well read on Basquiat, so if there's another reading I'd love to know. Like you, Banksquiat isn't my favourite but I do love it. If it does hit a stupid price I may one day sell it and get a Soup Can instead. That's my favourite. I think it's the most elegant, witty encapsulation of Banksy. |
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