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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by jimmyjam on Mar 14, 2021 15:20:44 GMT 1, www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/technology/crypto-art-NFTs-trading-cards-investment-manias.html
By Erin Griffith March 13, 2021 SAN FRANCISCO — This past week, a trading card featuring the quarterback Tom Brady sold for a record $1.3 million. The total value of the cryptocurrency Bitcoin hit $1 trillion. And Christie’s sold a digital artwork by an artist known as Beeple for $69.3 million after bids started at just $100.
These seemingly singular events were all connected, part of a series of manias that have gripped the financial world. For months, professional and everyday investors have pushed up the prices of stocks and real estate. Now the frenzy has spilled over into the riskiest — and in some cases, wackiest — assets, including digital ephemera and media, cryptocurrencies, collectibles like trading cards and even sneakers.
The surges have been driven by a unique set of conditions. Even as millions were laid off in the pandemic, many people’s bank accounts flourished, flush from stimulus checks and government cash infusions into the economy. But while people accumulated more money, traditional investments like stocks and bonds became less attractive.
So many got creative and, bored in the pandemic, took on more risk. Often, they were egged on by online communities on Reddit and Discord, where the next big investments were hotly debated. They also turned to tech tools like the trading app Robinhood and the cryptocurrency platform Coinbase, which allowed them to buy and trade different items with the click of a button.
That has now led to mini-bubbles across a wide variety of esoteric categories, making once-obscure acronyms like SPACs and NFTs practically as ubiquitous as the S&P. It has also fed ferocious demand for this week’s public listings of companies like the gaming site Roblox and the South Korean e-commerce company Coupang, as well as for shares of the video game retailer GameStop and other so-called “meme” stocks.
“It’s just a pent-up cycle where the money has nowhere to go, so it’s doing stupid things,” said Howard Lindzon, an investor, entrepreneur and market commentator.
The manias, which have erupted at a time of deep economic pain, have introduced a large amount of risk to many investors. Some people have already racked up staggering losses on Robinhood, which has been accused of encouraging gambling-like behavior. Other assets, like Bitcoin, are volatile, while sneakers and NFTs are so new and hyped-up that it is difficult to know what they will be worth over time.
For now, the bubble-upon-bubble behavior does not appear to pose a systemic risk to the broader financial system. But some investors said they were uneasy.
“Most people are cheering, but at the same time, shaking their heads and going, when is the bust coming?” said Jane Leung, the chief investment officer at SVB Private Bank.
One of those who bought into the frenzy was Matthew Schorr, 35, a lawyer in Cherry Hill, N.J. For years, he has been on the lookout for hot investments, but lost interest in the stock market and abandoned Bitcoin after his friends dismissed the cryptocurrency as “fake money.” He now regrets that because the value of a single Bitcoin has soared above $57,000, meaning the eight Bitcoin he paid for a Domino’s pizza in 2011 would be worth more than $450,000 today.
Mr. Schorr did not want to miss out again. So starting in January, he spent $5,000 to buy 351 videos from NBA Top Shot, a site for trading basketball highlight clips, after he saw social media chatter about them selling for tens of thousands of dollars. The value of those clips has now soared to $67,000, according to Momentranks.com, which tracks the sales.
The clips are a type of investment known as NFTs, or nonfungible tokens, which have taken off in music, art and sports. The digital tokens use networks of computers to prove that a digital item like a video, image or song is authentic, giving the item a value — at least in the eyes of the person buying it. Some liken NFTs to digital trading cards. (The creators of the underlying works typically retain the copyright.)
Skeptics consider NFTs among the most questionable of assets, since an NFT image can be endlessly copied and shared. Still, enough people are convinced of the value of authenticating tokens that they have dovetailed with another market-propelling phenomenon, FOMO, or “fear of missing out.”
“I’m trying to keep my finger on the pulse and not let myself fall behind again,” said Mr. Schorr, who spends as much as five hours a day researching the market and chatting with fellow collectors on Discord. “That sort of return over six weeks is completely unheard-of in any financial vehicle.”
Last month, NBA Top Shot crossed $232 million in total sales since it started last year — including $47.5 million in sales on a single day.
“I think there is another 100X from here,” said Roham Gharegozlou, chief executive of Dapper Labs, the company that partnered with the NBA to create NBA Top Shot. “There is so much demand.”
Much of this investment momentum began last year, after the coronavirus spread and the global economy went into free fall. In response, the United States slashed interest rates, bought government bonds and passed stimulus packages. Germany, Brazil, Japan and other countries took similar actions.
Those moves had a twofold effect of increasing the amount of money in the global financial system while also encouraging people to spend. Deposits in U.S. bank accounts hit $16.45 trillion last month, more than $3 trillion above the level in January 2020, according to Federal Reserve data. The interest rate set by the Federal Reserve has been near zero since last March.
Low interest rates made traditional investments like bonds less attractive, while stocks, which have risen for a decade, became even more expensive. That was when more people started investing in nontraditional assets.
With NFTs, the hysteria escalated quickly. Last month, an NFT GIF of Nyan Cat, which shows an animated flying cat with a Pop-Tart body, sold for roughly $580,000. Other artists, including Grimes and Steve Aoki, began reaping millions of dollars from their digital artwork. Then on Thursday, Beeple, whose real name is Mike Winkelmann, sold his “Everydays — The First 5000 Days” NFT for a stunning $69.3 million.
Slava Rubin, founder of Vincent, a start-up that helps people find investments in alternative assets such as wine, collectibles and litigation finance, said his site has attracted tens of thousands of users. Last month, he said, interest in NFTs jumped by 44 percent and collectibles by 33 percent, making them the fastest-growing categories on the site.
“The public is really leaning into these new ways of thinking about how to invest, whether it’s for pure profit, a hobby or based on nostalgia and interest,” he said.
This month, the electronic musician 3lau made $11.7 million selling NFTs related to one of his previously released albums. Buyers not only received the digital tokens representing the authentic version of the album, but also got access to new music and a limited edition vinyl copy.
3lau, whose real name is Justin Blau, said he was “blown away” by the price and how it showed support for the new market. “People are excited about storing value in a medium that gives them emotional value,” he said.
Investors have also gravitated to SPACs, which are “special purpose acquisition companies.” Many have thrown money at these financial vehicles, which trade on the public market, even though they are shell companies with no operations. Instead, their creators promise shareholders that they will find a private company to merge with, effectively taking the company public.
SPACs have been so plentiful this year that they outnumber new listings from real companies by nearly four to one, according to Renaissance Capital, which tracks public listings. Some investment firms have rolled out three or four new SPACs at a time, while celebrities and sports stars including Shaquille O’Neal, Serena Williams, Colin Kaepernick and Ciara have formed their own.
Often, the SPACs merge with companies that have never made a dollar. Two electric air taxi companies that do not expect any revenue for years — Joby Aviation and Archer Aviation — announced SPAC deals last month that valued them at $6.6 billion and $3.8 billion respectively.
Sneaker reselling has also exploded. On StockX, a marketplace comparable to eBay where people buy and sell sneakers and other collectibles, shoe sales in January were nearly double that of a year ago, said Scott Cutler, the company’s chief executive. That growth was helped by the sale of a famous style of Nike Dunks — the SB Low Staple NYC Pigeon — for a record $33,400 that month.
Younger generations want to invest in things that are culturally relevant and financially sound, Mr. Cutler said, and sneakers are “actually a far more stable investment than you may assume.”
Trading card sales have taken off, too. The price of mint condition cards on StockX jumped to an average $775 in January from $280 a year ago. This week’s $1.3 million sale of the Tom Brady card — one of 100 of its kind from his rookie season — followed a similar Brady card going for $555,988 in January.
Predicting when and how the party will end is anyone’s guess. Some anticipate that wide vaccine distribution and a return to normal life post-pandemic will bring about a Roaring Twenties-style era of prosperity. While that decade ended in a devastating crash, the euphoria lasted years.
That period was “pretty wild” and led to “pretty rapid technological change,” said Laura Veldkamp, a finance professor at Columbia Business School. “And there was lots of money to be made.”
www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/technology/crypto-art-NFTs-trading-cards-investment-manias.htmlBy Erin Griffith March 13, 2021 SAN FRANCISCO — This past week, a trading card featuring the quarterback Tom Brady sold for a record $1.3 million. The total value of the cryptocurrency Bitcoin hit $1 trillion. And Christie’s sold a digital artwork by an artist known as Beeple for $69.3 million after bids started at just $100. These seemingly singular events were all connected, part of a series of manias that have gripped the financial world. For months, professional and everyday investors have pushed up the prices of stocks and real estate. Now the frenzy has spilled over into the riskiest — and in some cases, wackiest — assets, including digital ephemera and media, cryptocurrencies, collectibles like trading cards and even sneakers. The surges have been driven by a unique set of conditions. Even as millions were laid off in the pandemic, many people’s bank accounts flourished, flush from stimulus checks and government cash infusions into the economy. But while people accumulated more money, traditional investments like stocks and bonds became less attractive. So many got creative and, bored in the pandemic, took on more risk. Often, they were egged on by online communities on Reddit and Discord, where the next big investments were hotly debated. They also turned to tech tools like the trading app Robinhood and the cryptocurrency platform Coinbase, which allowed them to buy and trade different items with the click of a button. That has now led to mini-bubbles across a wide variety of esoteric categories, making once-obscure acronyms like SPACs and NFTs practically as ubiquitous as the S&P. It has also fed ferocious demand for this week’s public listings of companies like the gaming site Roblox and the South Korean e-commerce company Coupang, as well as for shares of the video game retailer GameStop and other so-called “meme” stocks. “It’s just a pent-up cycle where the money has nowhere to go, so it’s doing stupid things,” said Howard Lindzon, an investor, entrepreneur and market commentator. The manias, which have erupted at a time of deep economic pain, have introduced a large amount of risk to many investors. Some people have already racked up staggering losses on Robinhood, which has been accused of encouraging gambling-like behavior. Other assets, like Bitcoin, are volatile, while sneakers and NFTs are so new and hyped-up that it is difficult to know what they will be worth over time. For now, the bubble-upon-bubble behavior does not appear to pose a systemic risk to the broader financial system. But some investors said they were uneasy. “Most people are cheering, but at the same time, shaking their heads and going, when is the bust coming?” said Jane Leung, the chief investment officer at SVB Private Bank. One of those who bought into the frenzy was Matthew Schorr, 35, a lawyer in Cherry Hill, N.J. For years, he has been on the lookout for hot investments, but lost interest in the stock market and abandoned Bitcoin after his friends dismissed the cryptocurrency as “fake money.” He now regrets that because the value of a single Bitcoin has soared above $57,000, meaning the eight Bitcoin he paid for a Domino’s pizza in 2011 would be worth more than $450,000 today. Mr. Schorr did not want to miss out again. So starting in January, he spent $5,000 to buy 351 videos from NBA Top Shot, a site for trading basketball highlight clips, after he saw social media chatter about them selling for tens of thousands of dollars. The value of those clips has now soared to $67,000, according to Momentranks.com, which tracks the sales. The clips are a type of investment known as NFTs, or nonfungible tokens, which have taken off in music, art and sports. The digital tokens use networks of computers to prove that a digital item like a video, image or song is authentic, giving the item a value — at least in the eyes of the person buying it. Some liken NFTs to digital trading cards. (The creators of the underlying works typically retain the copyright.) Skeptics consider NFTs among the most questionable of assets, since an NFT image can be endlessly copied and shared. Still, enough people are convinced of the value of authenticating tokens that they have dovetailed with another market-propelling phenomenon, FOMO, or “fear of missing out.” “I’m trying to keep my finger on the pulse and not let myself fall behind again,” said Mr. Schorr, who spends as much as five hours a day researching the market and chatting with fellow collectors on Discord. “That sort of return over six weeks is completely unheard-of in any financial vehicle.” Last month, NBA Top Shot crossed $232 million in total sales since it started last year — including $47.5 million in sales on a single day. “I think there is another 100X from here,” said Roham Gharegozlou, chief executive of Dapper Labs, the company that partnered with the NBA to create NBA Top Shot. “There is so much demand.” Much of this investment momentum began last year, after the coronavirus spread and the global economy went into free fall. In response, the United States slashed interest rates, bought government bonds and passed stimulus packages. Germany, Brazil, Japan and other countries took similar actions. Those moves had a twofold effect of increasing the amount of money in the global financial system while also encouraging people to spend. Deposits in U.S. bank accounts hit $16.45 trillion last month, more than $3 trillion above the level in January 2020, according to Federal Reserve data. The interest rate set by the Federal Reserve has been near zero since last March. Low interest rates made traditional investments like bonds less attractive, while stocks, which have risen for a decade, became even more expensive. That was when more people started investing in nontraditional assets. With NFTs, the hysteria escalated quickly. Last month, an NFT GIF of Nyan Cat, which shows an animated flying cat with a Pop-Tart body, sold for roughly $580,000. Other artists, including Grimes and Steve Aoki, began reaping millions of dollars from their digital artwork. Then on Thursday, Beeple, whose real name is Mike Winkelmann, sold his “Everydays — The First 5000 Days” NFT for a stunning $69.3 million. Slava Rubin, founder of Vincent, a start-up that helps people find investments in alternative assets such as wine, collectibles and litigation finance, said his site has attracted tens of thousands of users. Last month, he said, interest in NFTs jumped by 44 percent and collectibles by 33 percent, making them the fastest-growing categories on the site. “The public is really leaning into these new ways of thinking about how to invest, whether it’s for pure profit, a hobby or based on nostalgia and interest,” he said. This month, the electronic musician 3lau made $11.7 million selling NFTs related to one of his previously released albums. Buyers not only received the digital tokens representing the authentic version of the album, but also got access to new music and a limited edition vinyl copy. 3lau, whose real name is Justin Blau, said he was “blown away” by the price and how it showed support for the new market. “People are excited about storing value in a medium that gives them emotional value,” he said. Investors have also gravitated to SPACs, which are “special purpose acquisition companies.” Many have thrown money at these financial vehicles, which trade on the public market, even though they are shell companies with no operations. Instead, their creators promise shareholders that they will find a private company to merge with, effectively taking the company public. SPACs have been so plentiful this year that they outnumber new listings from real companies by nearly four to one, according to Renaissance Capital, which tracks public listings. Some investment firms have rolled out three or four new SPACs at a time, while celebrities and sports stars including Shaquille O’Neal, Serena Williams, Colin Kaepernick and Ciara have formed their own. Often, the SPACs merge with companies that have never made a dollar. Two electric air taxi companies that do not expect any revenue for years — Joby Aviation and Archer Aviation — announced SPAC deals last month that valued them at $6.6 billion and $3.8 billion respectively. Sneaker reselling has also exploded. On StockX, a marketplace comparable to eBay where people buy and sell sneakers and other collectibles, shoe sales in January were nearly double that of a year ago, said Scott Cutler, the company’s chief executive. That growth was helped by the sale of a famous style of Nike Dunks — the SB Low Staple NYC Pigeon — for a record $33,400 that month. Younger generations want to invest in things that are culturally relevant and financially sound, Mr. Cutler said, and sneakers are “actually a far more stable investment than you may assume.” Trading card sales have taken off, too. The price of mint condition cards on StockX jumped to an average $775 in January from $280 a year ago. This week’s $1.3 million sale of the Tom Brady card — one of 100 of its kind from his rookie season — followed a similar Brady card going for $555,988 in January. Predicting when and how the party will end is anyone’s guess. Some anticipate that wide vaccine distribution and a return to normal life post-pandemic will bring about a Roaring Twenties-style era of prosperity. While that decade ended in a devastating crash, the euphoria lasted years. That period was “pretty wild” and led to “pretty rapid technological change,” said Laura Veldkamp, a finance professor at Columbia Business School. “And there was lots of money to be made.”
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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by jimmyjam on Mar 14, 2021 15:36:47 GMT 1, Flip flip flip flip anything you see in your house that brings child nostalgia.
We are in a massive hobby bubble. Possibly one the largest in history. The bubble blew up really fast during this pandemic as everyone is stuck at home. Lets see how long this last.
These hobbies always come and go. The cycle on these are not very long. My guess is when people start going out and going back to offices... this will all die down a bit. But for next year this all we are going to hear about. A baseball card that sells for millions, a bitcoin almost worth 100,000, a digital image that takes less than hour to make on NFT (with horrible environmental consequences due to NFTs) make 500,000.
Flip flip flip flip anything you see in your house that brings child nostalgia.
We are in a massive hobby bubble. Possibly one the largest in history. The bubble blew up really fast during this pandemic as everyone is stuck at home. Lets see how long this last.
These hobbies always come and go. The cycle on these are not very long. My guess is when people start going out and going back to offices... this will all die down a bit. But for next year this all we are going to hear about. A baseball card that sells for millions, a bitcoin almost worth 100,000, a digital image that takes less than hour to make on NFT (with horrible environmental consequences due to NFTs) make 500,000.
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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by sgolby on Mar 14, 2021 15:38:32 GMT 1, As long as people are willing to buy things at higher prices marksts will exist. They are stupid and backed by nothing more than emotion. Just like the art world in a way. The problem is art, is one of the few that lasted. Trading cards, comic books all gone, collectibles come and go, antiques fluctuate drastically. We’ll see whether enough wealthy people or companies acquire a vested interest in maintaining the increasing resale values as is the case with bitcoin. Or whether those who reap the greatest rewards are the creators, and the investors are left holding the bag. Only time will tell.
As long as people are willing to buy things at higher prices marksts will exist. They are stupid and backed by nothing more than emotion. Just like the art world in a way. The problem is art, is one of the few that lasted. Trading cards, comic books all gone, collectibles come and go, antiques fluctuate drastically. We’ll see whether enough wealthy people or companies acquire a vested interest in maintaining the increasing resale values as is the case with bitcoin. Or whether those who reap the greatest rewards are the creators, and the investors are left holding the bag. Only time will tell.
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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by jimmyjam on Mar 14, 2021 15:53:05 GMT 1, "Investors have also gravitated to SPACs, which are “special purpose acquisition companies.” Many have thrown money at these financial vehicles, which trade on the public market, even though they are shell companies with no operations. Instead, their creators promise shareholders that they will find a private company to merge with, effectively taking the company public.
SPACs have been so plentiful this year that they outnumber new listings from real companies by nearly four to one, according to Renaissance Capital, which tracks public listings. Some investment firms have rolled out three or four new SPACs at a time, while celebrities and sports stars including Shaquille O’Neal, Serena Williams, Colin Kaepernick and Ciara have formed their own.
Often, the SPACs merge with companies that have never made a dollar. Two electric air taxi companies that do not expect any revenue for years — Joby Aviation and Archer Aviation — announced SPAC deals last month that valued them at $6.6 billion and $3.8 billion respectively."
This is the most important fact from this article; there are many. This is clearly a sign of a bubble and massive RED FLAG in investing right now in anything. I think if you have not made your million off Bitcoin, Baseball Cards, NFTs or even Stocks it's best to sit things out now. I think these have all reached peak prices and would not be surprised by the end of this year/beginning of next year these hobbies and some stocks really die down. But time is the ultimate judge.
"Investors have also gravitated to SPACs, which are “special purpose acquisition companies.” Many have thrown money at these financial vehicles, which trade on the public market, even though they are shell companies with no operations. Instead, their creators promise shareholders that they will find a private company to merge with, effectively taking the company public.
SPACs have been so plentiful this year that they outnumber new listings from real companies by nearly four to one, according to Renaissance Capital, which tracks public listings. Some investment firms have rolled out three or four new SPACs at a time, while celebrities and sports stars including Shaquille O’Neal, Serena Williams, Colin Kaepernick and Ciara have formed their own.
Often, the SPACs merge with companies that have never made a dollar. Two electric air taxi companies that do not expect any revenue for years — Joby Aviation and Archer Aviation — announced SPAC deals last month that valued them at $6.6 billion and $3.8 billion respectively."
This is the most important fact from this article; there are many. This is clearly a sign of a bubble and massive RED FLAG in investing right now in anything. I think if you have not made your million off Bitcoin, Baseball Cards, NFTs or even Stocks it's best to sit things out now. I think these have all reached peak prices and would not be surprised by the end of this year/beginning of next year these hobbies and some stocks really die down. But time is the ultimate judge.
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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by sgolby on Mar 14, 2021 15:57:22 GMT 1, SPACs are akin to mortgage backed equities, a pyramid scheme.
Bitcoin will likely never collapse simply due to the number of institutional investors who are now vested. Remember when the financial bubble burst in 08, it was the average joe that got a$$F@cked, most of the institutions remained, and most of their employees still profited.
SPACs are akin to mortgage backed equities, a pyramid scheme.
Bitcoin will likely never collapse simply due to the number of institutional investors who are now vested. Remember when the financial bubble burst in 08, it was the average joe that got a$$F@cked, most of the institutions remained, and most of their employees still profited.
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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by sgolby on Mar 14, 2021 16:29:34 GMT 1, SPACs are akin to mortgage backed equities, a pyramid scheme. Bitcoin will likely never collapse simply due to the number of institutional investors who are now vested. Remember when the financial bubble burst in 08, it was the average joe that got a$$F@cked, most of the institutions remained, and most of their employees still profited. Bitcoin can absolutely collapse. Anything that is technology based can and will be replaced by something else that does it better and is more efficient. Look at the evolution of cell phones, and the company blackberry in particular. How many people have blackberry phones today that had them 10 years ago?
I have to disagree bitcoin is not a technology, it is a currency and financial instrument. Although I have never understood it completely, i believe the thing which backs it’s value is the value of transactions conducted throughout the web.
SPACs are akin to mortgage backed equities, a pyramid scheme. Bitcoin will likely never collapse simply due to the number of institutional investors who are now vested. Remember when the financial bubble burst in 08, it was the average joe that got a$$F@cked, most of the institutions remained, and most of their employees still profited. Bitcoin can absolutely collapse. Anything that is technology based can and will be replaced by something else that does it better and is more efficient. Look at the evolution of cell phones, and the company blackberry in particular. How many people have blackberry phones today that had them 10 years ago? I have to disagree bitcoin is not a technology, it is a currency and financial instrument. Although I have never understood it completely, i believe the thing which backs it’s value is the value of transactions conducted throughout the web.
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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by LJCal on Mar 15, 2021 3:23:10 GMT 1, I bought some organic matter through Silk Road in my less enlightened days that I paid for in Bitcoin, if the seller kept the coins he’d be a multi millionaire now. I never bought it for investment and when it went to $20k thought it was a massive bubble, shows what I know. I still don’t know how people can use it as currency as it’s so volatile, I guess that’s not what most people are buying it for though.
I bought some organic matter through Silk Road in my less enlightened days that I paid for in Bitcoin, if the seller kept the coins he’d be a multi millionaire now. I never bought it for investment and when it went to $20k thought it was a massive bubble, shows what I know. I still don’t know how people can use it as currency as it’s so volatile, I guess that’s not what most people are buying it for though.
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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by LJCal on Mar 15, 2021 4:02:31 GMT 1, i was under the impression bitcoin was backed by nothing.... i still have a few satori coins that look like poker chips around somewhere, lol! I guess it’s backed by a system that people have faith will protect value which gives it value much like a fiat currency (it’s a collective but useful illusion), given the amount of money being printed by major economies and the political and economic uncertainty we are living through people are losing faith and Bitcoin provides an alternative outside conventional monetary systems. We’ll see if the faith in Bitcoin is misplaced or not. I’m old fashioned and like tangible wealth even if that is just ink on paper, boring but more predictable.
i was under the impression bitcoin was backed by nothing.... i still have a few satori coins that look like poker chips around somewhere, lol! I guess it’s backed by a system that people have faith will protect value which gives it value much like a fiat currency (it’s a collective but useful illusion), given the amount of money being printed by major economies and the political and economic uncertainty we are living through people are losing faith and Bitcoin provides an alternative outside conventional monetary systems. We’ll see if the faith in Bitcoin is misplaced or not. I’m old fashioned and like tangible wealth even if that is just ink on paper, boring but more predictable.
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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by LJCal on Mar 15, 2021 5:11:20 GMT 1, I guess it’s backed by a system that people have faith will protect value which gives it value much like a fiat currency (it’s a collective but useful illusion), given the amount of money being printed by major economies and the political and economic uncertainty we are living through people are losing faith and Bitcoin provides an alternative outside conventional monetary systems. We’ll see if the faith in Bitcoin is misplaced or not. I’m old fashioned and like tangible wealth even if that is just ink on paper, boring but more predictable. even paper n ink (currency), precious metals, gems, diamonds, etc. these things r real, this other stuff is based on what? a math equation? ridiculous imo, but i failed algebra 😅 I suppose the argument is that the intrinsic value of paper currency is negligible and most currency is just numbers on a digital ledger. Even precious metals and diamonds have limited utility and even where they do it certainly doesn’t justify their value, they have value because people believe they do. I guess these traditional assets have been around longer so their value is more deeply ingrained in the collective psyche and they have stood the test of time. Crypto’s could be digital tulip bulbs or they could be digital gold, I really don’t know.
I guess it’s backed by a system that people have faith will protect value which gives it value much like a fiat currency (it’s a collective but useful illusion), given the amount of money being printed by major economies and the political and economic uncertainty we are living through people are losing faith and Bitcoin provides an alternative outside conventional monetary systems. We’ll see if the faith in Bitcoin is misplaced or not. I’m old fashioned and like tangible wealth even if that is just ink on paper, boring but more predictable. even paper n ink (currency), precious metals, gems, diamonds, etc. these things r real, this other stuff is based on what? a math equation? ridiculous imo, but i failed algebra 😅 I suppose the argument is that the intrinsic value of paper currency is negligible and most currency is just numbers on a digital ledger. Even precious metals and diamonds have limited utility and even where they do it certainly doesn’t justify their value, they have value because people believe they do. I guess these traditional assets have been around longer so their value is more deeply ingrained in the collective psyche and they have stood the test of time. Crypto’s could be digital tulip bulbs or they could be digital gold, I really don’t know.
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Nytimes: From Crypto Art to Trading Cards, Investment Manias, by therivler1 on Mar 15, 2021 5:20:36 GMT 1, I bought some organic matter through Silk Road in my less enlightened days that I paid for in Bitcoin, if the seller kept the coins he’d be a multi millionaire now. I never bought it for investment and when it went to $20k thought it was a massive bubble, shows what I know. I still don’t know how people can use it as currency as it’s so volatile, I guess that’s not what most people are buying it for though. What's weird is that when I found a 20 dollar bill when moving that was 10 years old, it was worth the same as it was 10 years ago... 20 dollars. Expect now that $20 bill only has ~$16.5 purchasing power compared to ten years ago. So, no, not worth the same in terms of things it can buy.
I bought some organic matter through Silk Road in my less enlightened days that I paid for in Bitcoin, if the seller kept the coins he’d be a multi millionaire now. I never bought it for investment and when it went to $20k thought it was a massive bubble, shows what I know. I still don’t know how people can use it as currency as it’s so volatile, I guess that’s not what most people are buying it for though. What's weird is that when I found a 20 dollar bill when moving that was 10 years old, it was worth the same as it was 10 years ago... 20 dollars. Expect now that $20 bill only has ~$16.5 purchasing power compared to ten years ago. So, no, not worth the same in terms of things it can buy.
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