phildart
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Invaluable Auctions, by phildart on Jun 4, 2017 21:07:55 GMT 1, Over 80 artworks will be available to fund environmental projects worldwide
Among Originals, editions also available (Dran, ...)
Sale takes place in Paris June 8th and online with invaluable and also live
June 8th at 8 PM (Paris time)
Espace Canal Saint Martin โ 13 rue Jean Poulmarch, 75010 Paris
Or live :
www.invaluable.com/catalog/qenhy4jd10
Online Auction
 
Over 80 artworks will be available to fund environmental projects worldwide Among Originals, editions also available (Dran, ...) Sale takes place in Paris June 8th and online with invaluable and also live June 8th at 8 PM (Paris time) Espace Canal Saint Martin โ 13 rue Jean Poulmarch, 75010 Paris Or live : www.invaluable.com/catalog/qenhy4jd10Online Auction
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phildart
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Invaluable Auctions, by phildart on Jun 8, 2017 16:23:47 GMT 1, Auction tonight at 8pm (Paris time)
bid online with invaluable
Auction tonight at 8pm (Paris time)
bid online with invaluable
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Invaluable Auctions, by oe32 on Apr 25, 2018 7:06:23 GMT 1, ?
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irl1
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Invaluable Auctions, by irl1 on Apr 25, 2018 7:56:34 GMT 1, Not sure what you mean by the question mark. I put a link to the lot
Not sure what you mean by the question mark. I put a link to the lot |
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Invaluable Auctions, by Happy Shopper on Apr 25, 2018 9:17:47 GMT 1, Not sure what you mean by the question mark. I put a link to the lot
I think it's a live auction on the 27th.
Bids now are just advanced bidding.
Not sure what you mean by the question mark. I put a link to the lot I think it's a live auction on the 27th. Bids now are just advanced bidding. |
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skAcid
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Invaluable Auctions, by skAcid on Apr 25, 2018 10:52:22 GMT 1, www.invaluable.com/search?keyword=banksy
Oh dear. Looks like an average ebay banksy search. with the usual 'ahem' Dismal notes and crappy canvases bought from mickey mouse in the car park.
Even got a 'panda with guns' canvas LOL
www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/banksy-stencil-on-record-sleeve-0894b74a74
There's another fake 12" Blowpop sleeve 'surprise surprise' minus the vinyl, that looks to be one of the new sleeves bought off ebay for ยฃ15. Its even got a bit of damage on the back to make it look older.. 
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irl1
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Invaluable Auctions, by irl1 on Apr 25, 2018 11:42:25 GMT 1, Not sure what you mean by the question mark. I put a link to the lot I think it's a live auction on the 27th. Bids now are just advanced bidding.
Not sure what you mean by the question mark. I put a link to the lot I think it's a live auction on the 27th. Bids now are just advanced bidding. I see what you mean. Thanks |
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andyroo0312
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Invaluable Auctions, by andyroo0312 on Apr 26, 2018 11:34:27 GMT 1, This is not far from me so will be going to view the merchandise and possibly bid.. If anyone wants me to bid on their behalf just pass on the needed details. Alas i think those days of trust and such are now behind us...  Wish me luck.... There is also a very nice Faile up for grabs....
This is not far from me so will be going to view the merchandise and possibly bid.. If anyone wants me to bid on their behalf just pass on the needed details. Alas i think those days of trust and such are now behind us... Wish me luck.... There is also a very nice Faile up for grabs.... |
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irl1
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Invaluable Auctions, by irl1 on Apr 26, 2018 12:44:20 GMT 1, This is not far from me so will be going to view the merchandise and possibly bid.. If anyone wants me to bid on their behalf just pass on the needed details. Alas i think those days of trust and such are now behind us... Wish me luck.... There is also a very nice Faile up for grabs....
This is not far from me so will be going to view the merchandise and possibly bid.. If anyone wants me to bid on their behalf just pass on the needed details. Alas i think those days of trust and such are now behind us... Wish me luck.... There is also a very nice Faile up for grabs.... I asked them to send me a condition report and pictures, including a picture of the P.C COA. If you want me to email it to you just send me a P.M. Before anyone asks, no its not mine. |
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andyroo0312
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Invaluable Auctions, by andyroo0312 on Apr 27, 2018 1:07:12 GMT 1, This is not far from me so will be going to view the merchandise and possibly bid.. If anyone wants me to bid on their behalf just pass on the needed details. Alas i think those days of trust and such are now behind us... Wish me luck.... There is also a very nice Faile up for grabs.... I asked them to send me a condition report and pictures, including a picture of the P.C COA. If you want me to email it to you just send me a P.M. Before anyone asks, no its not mine.
This is not far from me so will be going to view the merchandise and possibly bid.. If anyone wants me to bid on their behalf just pass on the needed details. Alas i think those days of trust and such are now behind us... Wish me luck.... There is also a very nice Faile up for grabs.... I asked them to send me a condition report and pictures, including a picture of the P.C COA. If you want me to email it to you just send me a P.M. Before anyone asks, no its not mine. Thanks mate. I did the same. The fact it is framed is a bit of a worry.. |
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oe32
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Invaluable Auctions, by oe32 on Apr 27, 2018 7:14:34 GMT 1, Not sure what you mean by the question mark. I put a link to the lot
Not sure what you mean by the question mark. I put a link to the lot Apologies, just indicating it looked an unbelievable price at that |
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JJN
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Invaluable Auctions, by JJN on Apr 27, 2018 7:25:30 GMT 1, Went pretty cheap 4500 Quid ( 6500 USD) Equivalent.
Went pretty cheap 4500 Quid ( 6500 USD) Equivalent.
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Express Post
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Invaluable Auctions, by Express Post on Apr 27, 2018 13:42:02 GMT 1, Currency is Ozzie Pesos not US Donuts.
Went pretty cheap 4500 Quid ( 6500 USD) Equivalent.
Currency is Ozzie Pesos not US Donuts. Went pretty cheap 4500 Quid ( 6500 USD) Equivalent. |
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andyroo0312
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Invaluable Auctions, by andyroo0312 on Apr 27, 2018 14:12:11 GMT 1, Currency is Ozzie Pesos not US Donuts. Went pretty cheap 4500 Quid ( 6500 USD) Equivalent. 
Currency is Ozzie Pesos not US Donuts. Went pretty cheap 4500 Quid ( 6500 USD) Equivalent. Haha, you guys are funny at times... The man is correct it did sell in Oz pesos but after commission the total was more like ยฃ4700 plus after close inspection it did have issues. I was in until $4750 Oz but that was over taken very quickly. Apart from the few issues which weren't major but they were there. The framing also did not give me any confidence to go over the $4750 mark. All was not lost it was a fun afternoon and i did pick up a kick arse Faile for a song... |
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JJN
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Invaluable Auctions, by JJN on Apr 28, 2018 3:34:58 GMT 1, I did the conversions...
I did the conversions...
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andyroo0312
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Invaluable Auctions, by andyroo0312 on Apr 28, 2018 8:51:01 GMT 1, Oh this was the Faile i picked up... I just could not help myself plus it is very rare to see a nice Faile For Sale down here... Ok bare with me for some reason having a little trouble uploading the pic,,, but i will get there..
P.s Finally got there.s**t picture I know but it gives you a idea..
Oh this was the Faile i picked up... I just could not help myself plus it is very rare to see a nice Faile For Sale down here... Ok bare with me for some reason having a little trouble uploading the pic,,, but i will get there.. P.s Finally got there.s**t picture I know but it gives you a idea.. |
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irl1
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Invaluable Auctions, by irl1 on May 20, 2018 11:15:15 GMT 1, Some auction houses are going way over the top with the buyers premium. Not only are they charging these high rates, "most" get the sellers premium as well. Can we start posting the high rates here and maybe then they will lower them a bit. I was just looking through AAG Auctions June 4th, 2018 sale. I saw something i might bid on but then saw the buyers premium rates. 34.6% up to 20,000. At those rates it should be "buy one get one free"!..........
0 to 20,000 34.6%, 20,001 to 200,000 30%, 200,001 25%.
*ALWAYS CHECK THE BUYERS PREMIUM BEFORE BIDDING*
www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/harland-miller-yorkshire-1964-2874CDEAE5
Some auction houses are going way over the top with the buyers premium. Not only are they charging these high rates, "most" get the sellers premium as well. Can we start posting the high rates here and maybe then they will lower them a bit. I was just looking through AAG Auctions June 4th, 2018 sale. I saw something i might bid on but then saw the buyers premium rates. 34.6% up to 20,000. At those rates it should be "buy one get one free"!.......... 0 to 20,000 34.6%, 20,001 to 200,000 30%, 200,001 25%. *ALWAYS CHECK THE BUYERS PREMIUM BEFORE BIDDING* www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/harland-miller-yorkshire-1964-2874CDEAE5 |
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Invaluable Auctions, by Pattycakes on May 20, 2018 17:49:35 GMT 1, The reason for this is you are bidding through invaluable, who are adding 5% onto the amount. Their commission rate is 29.5% which includes VAT. This is pretty much par for the course in terms of House Buyers premium. Bear in mind that on top of this you'll need to add Artist's resale right of 4% on living European Artists or those not dead for the specified amount of time.
Buyers Premium: Depending on the hammerprice the buyer will be charged the following premium:
Up to โฌ 20.000 29,6%
โฌ 20.001 - โฌ 200.000 25%
From โฌ 200.001 20%
All percentages are including VAT.
Please note: there will be a 5% surcharge for bidding through invaluable
I'm afaid 25% plus Vat is standard across the board, if you're bidding from outside the EU you can get the VAT back so it's worth doing that if you are. In most cases the house will automatically remove VAT for non EU buyers (some you'll have to reclaim yourself however)
The reason for this is you are bidding through invaluable, who are adding 5% onto the amount. Their commission rate is 29.5% which includes VAT. This is pretty much par for the course in terms of House Buyers premium. Bear in mind that on top of this you'll need to add Artist's resale right of 4% on living European Artists or those not dead for the specified amount of time.
Buyers Premium: Depending on the hammerprice the buyer will be charged the following premium:
Up to โฌ 20.000 29,6%
โฌ 20.001 - โฌ 200.000 25%
From โฌ 200.001 20%
All percentages are including VAT.
Please note: there will be a 5% surcharge for bidding through invaluable
I'm afaid 25% plus Vat is standard across the board, if you're bidding from outside the EU you can get the VAT back so it's worth doing that if you are. In most cases the house will automatically remove VAT for non EU buyers (some you'll have to reclaim yourself however)
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jbelleit
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Invaluable Auctions, by jbelleit on May 20, 2018 18:27:29 GMT 1, I am curious about one thing involving the Artistโs Resale premium...if there are artist (say Banksy for example) where not very many people know who the real artist is, how do you know if they are alive or dead?
I am curious about one thing involving the Artistโs Resale premium...if there are artist (say Banksy for example) where not very many people know who the real artist is, how do you know if they are alive or dead?
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Pysgod
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Invaluable Auctions, by Pysgod on May 20, 2018 18:40:57 GMT 1, Check for a pulse
Check for a pulse
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Invaluable Auctions, by daniel3886 on May 20, 2018 19:29:07 GMT 1, Worth noting for any artists you must sign up to a collection agency like DACS to claim any royalties owed to you. Auction houses are not allowed to pay artists directly. They also start collecting on your behalf without being asked. Itโs government run and non profit but I would assume there is some sort of charge for the service. ARR is 4% of hammer and applies to any lot where the artist is of European birth still alive or died less than 70 years ago.
Worth noting for any artists you must sign up to a collection agency like DACS to claim any royalties owed to you. Auction houses are not allowed to pay artists directly. They also start collecting on your behalf without being asked. Itโs government run and non profit but I would assume there is some sort of charge for the service. ARR is 4% of hammer and applies to any lot where the artist is of European birth still alive or died less than 70 years ago.
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Pattycakes
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Invaluable Auctions, by Pattycakes on May 20, 2018 20:45:37 GMT 1, I am curious about one thing involving the Artistโs Resale premium...if there are artist (say Banksy for example) where not very many people know who the real artist is, how do you know if they are alive or dead?
I am curious about one thing involving the Artistโs Resale premium...if there are artist (say Banksy for example) where not very many people know who the real artist is, how do you know if they are alive or dead? The short answer is Banksy knows who he is, and has signed up (or rather his company has) with DACS, who collect the ARR on his behalf. |
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Invaluable Auctions, by Deleted on May 20, 2018 21:29:14 GMT 1, Psygods answer is much shorter ๐
Psygods answer is much shorter ๐
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irl1
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Invaluable Auctions, by irl1 on May 20, 2018 21:38:18 GMT 1, The reason for this is you are bidding through invaluable, who are adding 5% onto the amount. Their commission rate is 29.5% which includes VAT. This is pretty much par for the course in terms of House Buyers premium. Bear in mind that on top of this you'll need to add Artist's resale right of 4% on living European Artists or those not dead for the specified amount of time. Buyers Premium: Depending on the hammerprice the buyer will be charged the following premium: Up to โฌ 20.000 29,6% โฌ 20.001 - โฌ 200.000 25% From โฌ 200.001 20% All percentages are including VAT. Please note: there will be a 5% surcharge for bidding through invaluable I'm afaid 25% plus Vat is standard across the board, if you're bidding from outside the EU you can get the VAT back so it's worth doing that if you are. In most cases the house will automatically remove VAT for non EU buyers (some you'll have to reclaim yourself however)
The reason for this is you are bidding through invaluable, who are adding 5% onto the amount. Their commission rate is 29.5% which includes VAT. This is pretty much par for the course in terms of House Buyers premium. Bear in mind that on top of this you'll need to add Artist's resale right of 4% on living European Artists or those not dead for the specified amount of time. Buyers Premium: Depending on the hammerprice the buyer will be charged the following premium: Up to โฌ 20.000 29,6% โฌ 20.001 - โฌ 200.000 25% From โฌ 200.001 20% All percentages are including VAT. Please note: there will be a 5% surcharge for bidding through invaluable I'm afaid 25% plus Vat is standard across the board, if you're bidding from outside the EU you can get the VAT back so it's worth doing that if you are. In most cases the house will automatically remove VAT for non EU buyers (some you'll have to reclaim yourself however) I understand this, but a lot of auctions through invaluable/liveauctioneers e.t.c are a lot less. 25% should be the top rate, + invaluabe fees. 29.6% buyers fee is way too much IMO. I have purchased many times with a lot less and some auctions have no buyer fees. (mind you there are not that many) I have often won lots that should have ARR fees but never get charged them. I find the French auctions seem to charge the ARR more than most. |
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Invaluable Auctions, by Deleted on May 20, 2018 22:10:35 GMT 1, My thought would be that if you start listing the higher fees that houses charge then those houses with lower fees will see what they are missing out on and "up" theirs....
That said, i don't think any auction house will give a flying fook about a thread of this nature on here and will charge whatever they can get away with; if their fees cause a buyer concern then the best, if not the only course of action is to not use said auction house. I expect that most people purchasing at auction will be well aware of the premium coming their way should they be successful, if not, then they should be.
My thought would be that if you start listing the higher fees that houses charge then those houses with lower fees will see what they are missing out on and "up" theirs....
That said, i don't think any auction house will give a flying fook about a thread of this nature on here and will charge whatever they can get away with; if their fees cause a buyer concern then the best, if not the only course of action is to not use said auction house. I expect that most people purchasing at auction will be well aware of the premium coming their way should they be successful, if not, then they should be.
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irl1
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Invaluable Auctions, by irl1 on May 20, 2018 22:24:50 GMT 1, My thought would be that if you start listing the higher fees that houses charge then those houses with lower fees will see what they are missing out on and "up" theirs.... That said, i don't think any auction house will give a flying fook about a thread of this nature on here and will charge whatever they can get away with; if their fees cause a buyer concern then the best, if not the only course of action is to not use said auction house. I expect that most people purchasing at auction will be well aware of the premium coming their way should they be successful, if not, then they should be.
My thought would be that if you start listing the higher fees that houses charge then those houses with lower fees will see what they are missing out on and "up" theirs.... That said, i don't think any auction house will give a flying fook about a thread of this nature on here and will charge whatever they can get away with; if their fees cause a buyer concern then the best, if not the only course of action is to not use said auction house. I expect that most people purchasing at auction will be well aware of the premium coming their way should they be successful, if not, then they should be. I know most on here will check the fees first. Its really for new collectors who might jump in on the spur of the moment without checking the fees. I have read many posts on here about members not bidding because of the high fees. Yes your right they won't give a toss about this thread, but there are auctioneers on here who might just make a comment. If the rest start putting up fees they will lose buyers. Nobody wants to pay those high fees. |
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Invaluable Auctions, by Deleted on May 20, 2018 22:46:41 GMT 1, My thought would be that if you start listing the higher fees that houses charge then those houses with lower fees will see what they are missing out on and "up" theirs.... That said, i don't think any auction house will give a flying fook about a thread of this nature on here and will charge whatever they can get away with; if their fees cause a buyer concern then the best, if not the only course of action is to not use said auction house. I expect that most people purchasing at auction will be well aware of the premium coming their way should they be successful, if not, then they should be. I know most on here will check the fees first. Its really for new collectors who might jump in on the spur of the moment without checking the fees. I have read many posts on here about members not bidding because of the high fees. Yes your right they won't give a toss about this thread, but there are auctioneers on here who might just make a comment. If the rest start putting up fees they will lose buyers. Nobody wants to pay those high fees.
just to turn it on its head a little
I don't think this forum really buys from auction houses.
Reason being is that most of what we collect we pretty much know the value of it, so unless it is a bargain inc the premium then it goes un sold or to someone who isn't as clued up about prices
We register for the auction for the odd bargain (just in case)
If we/they do buy from an auction house, and have registered and have the paddle etc, then the sellers fee is known about.
Auction houses have to pay "the saleroom" if you buy through them and other 3rd party sites that bring them a lot of traffic.
Also artist sale rights, lets not forget the vat, there may also be a deal with the guy who is setting up the 'bespoke' auction as there are quite a few self employed guys that organise on behalf of the smaller auction houses and they split the commission.
My thought would be that if you start listing the higher fees that houses charge then those houses with lower fees will see what they are missing out on and "up" theirs.... That said, i don't think any auction house will give a flying fook about a thread of this nature on here and will charge whatever they can get away with; if their fees cause a buyer concern then the best, if not the only course of action is to not use said auction house. I expect that most people purchasing at auction will be well aware of the premium coming their way should they be successful, if not, then they should be. I know most on here will check the fees first. Its really for new collectors who might jump in on the spur of the moment without checking the fees. I have read many posts on here about members not bidding because of the high fees. Yes your right they won't give a toss about this thread, but there are auctioneers on here who might just make a comment. If the rest start putting up fees they will lose buyers. Nobody wants to pay those high fees. just to turn it on its head a little I don't think this forum really buys from auction houses. Reason being is that most of what we collect we pretty much know the value of it, so unless it is a bargain inc the premium then it goes un sold or to someone who isn't as clued up about prices We register for the auction for the odd bargain (just in case) If we/they do buy from an auction house, and have registered and have the paddle etc, then the sellers fee is known about. Auction houses have to pay "the saleroom" if you buy through them and other 3rd party sites that bring them a lot of traffic. Also artist sale rights, lets not forget the vat, there may also be a deal with the guy who is setting up the 'bespoke' auction as there are quite a few self employed guys that organise on behalf of the smaller auction houses and they split the commission. |
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๐คฃ is this an april fools? |
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pellets
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Invaluable Auctions, by pellets on Apr 2, 2020 16:08:27 GMT 1, โPLEASE NOTE: Lots that do not carry established documented provenance nor any past auction record are described in this catalog as "in the style of". Authentication has not been established nor is it implied. Definition of "in the style of" is as follows:
"In the style of" [Artist Name] : The work may be ascribed to the artist on the basis of style, but there may be some question as to actual authorshipโ
Why even have the auction at all? It doesnt contain any real art
โPLEASE NOTE: Lots that do not carry established documented provenance nor any past auction record are described in this catalog as "in the style of". Authentication has not been established nor is it implied. Definition of "in the style of" is as follows:
"In the style of" [Artist Name] : The work may be ascribed to the artist on the basis of style, but there may be some question as to actual authorshipโ
Why even have the auction at all? It doesnt contain any real art
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Wish me luck.... There is also a very nice Faile up for grabs.... 
