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NFT Art , by eye like on Nov 3, 2021 23:39:21 GMT 1, Could you perhaps write a correct version for the simple folk to understand? Thanks. It is difficult to explain the technology of NFTs in one post in a way that "simple folk" will accept. It is like asking someone to explain the invention of digital file storage, and is usually met with "but why can't i just use a filing cabinet" type questions that reflect stubbornness more than an attempt to understand. The problem most have with understanding NFTs is becoming acclimated to the idea of owning a digital asset, particularly digital art. I can assure you it is something that is not going away, ever. Facebook is rebranding to Meta for a reason. Digital assets are the future. And digital art is the next stage of art history. Are there scams in the space? Yes, in the same way there are scams in the art world or any space with money involved. Find the non-scams. To dismiss the entire technology and space as a scam is very ignorant. The blockchain allows for digital art to be commodified via NFTs. It is as though someone flipped a light switch, and suddenly digital art can be bought/sold, and digital artists have a way to sell art. There are some mediocre artists gaining recognition, and there is surely a market frenzy. There are also some great artists out there, many of whom have not gained recognition yet. The sooner everyone gains an understanding of the technology, the happier they will be. Until then, they will remain frustrated, calling everything scams, and thinking the entire space a lie. Because they aren't even trying to learn a new concept, at all. They are trying to show how their understanding of the world proves the concept wrong, even though it is their understanding that is wrong. Thanks for this, it’s one of the first sensible ‘explanations’ of the NFT phenomena I’ve read on here.
However, what I’m struggling with is the seeming lack of what I would consider to be genuinely innovative art using this new digital medium (with the notable exception of Hirst because of the sheer scale and concept). And I get that we all have a different perspective on what’s good, but you must surely agree that even some very credible artists seem to be releasing work which frankly they should be embarrassed about (the Jordy Kerwick this week for example), which just feels like a lazy cash grab.
If there are some great artists out there (and I’m sure you are right when you say that) would you be so kind as to share some of their work? I would love to see something which is exciting enough to make me want to embrace this brave new world!
Could you perhaps write a correct version for the simple folk to understand? Thanks. It is difficult to explain the technology of NFTs in one post in a way that "simple folk" will accept. It is like asking someone to explain the invention of digital file storage, and is usually met with "but why can't i just use a filing cabinet" type questions that reflect stubbornness more than an attempt to understand. The problem most have with understanding NFTs is becoming acclimated to the idea of owning a digital asset, particularly digital art. I can assure you it is something that is not going away, ever. Facebook is rebranding to Meta for a reason. Digital assets are the future. And digital art is the next stage of art history. Are there scams in the space? Yes, in the same way there are scams in the art world or any space with money involved. Find the non-scams. To dismiss the entire technology and space as a scam is very ignorant. The blockchain allows for digital art to be commodified via NFTs. It is as though someone flipped a light switch, and suddenly digital art can be bought/sold, and digital artists have a way to sell art. There are some mediocre artists gaining recognition, and there is surely a market frenzy. There are also some great artists out there, many of whom have not gained recognition yet. The sooner everyone gains an understanding of the technology, the happier they will be. Until then, they will remain frustrated, calling everything scams, and thinking the entire space a lie. Because they aren't even trying to learn a new concept, at all. They are trying to show how their understanding of the world proves the concept wrong, even though it is their understanding that is wrong. Thanks for this, it’s one of the first sensible ‘explanations’ of the NFT phenomena I’ve read on here. However, what I’m struggling with is the seeming lack of what I would consider to be genuinely innovative art using this new digital medium (with the notable exception of Hirst because of the sheer scale and concept). And I get that we all have a different perspective on what’s good, but you must surely agree that even some very credible artists seem to be releasing work which frankly they should be embarrassed about (the Jordy Kerwick this week for example), which just feels like a lazy cash grab. If there are some great artists out there (and I’m sure you are right when you say that) would you be so kind as to share some of their work? I would love to see something which is exciting enough to make me want to embrace this brave new world!
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NFT Art , by nobokov on Nov 4, 2021 0:14:36 GMT 1, Imo, if the artist existed and was working in the digital medium prior to the NFT fad (like Jenny Holzer, Hockney, Lu Yang), then they have a legitimate argument to be creating nfts. If they weren't, then they're just following where the stupid money is going. But then again, that's what many artists do in the physical realm as well. Follow and paint in the style of what's selling. Now anytime I see an artist release an NFT, they instantly lose street cred in my mind.
Can anyone argue that the nfts that have been selling for thousands/millions are examples of good art? I would think not. And for collectors, what exactly have you been doing with it, besides trading it?
For fine art painters, the blockchain should be used primarily for authenticating works and allowing for works to be traded while the original artist profits from each sale, not to function as artworks themselves.
Imo, if the artist existed and was working in the digital medium prior to the NFT fad (like Jenny Holzer, Hockney, Lu Yang), then they have a legitimate argument to be creating nfts. If they weren't, then they're just following where the stupid money is going. But then again, that's what many artists do in the physical realm as well. Follow and paint in the style of what's selling. Now anytime I see an artist release an NFT, they instantly lose street cred in my mind. Can anyone argue that the nfts that have been selling for thousands/millions are examples of good art? I would think not. And for collectors, what exactly have you been doing with it, besides trading it? For fine art painters, the blockchain should be used primarily for authenticating works and allowing for works to be traded while the original artist profits from each sale, not to function as artworks themselves.
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NFT Art , by nobokov on Nov 4, 2021 0:48:44 GMT 1, Can anyone argue that the nfts that have been selling for thousands/millions are examples of good art? Absolutely. Not all of them, I would actually say not most of them, but there are some seriously incredible works of art being minted and sold. Can you please point out which ones are seriously incredible?
Can anyone argue that the nfts that have been selling for thousands/millions are examples of good art? Absolutely. Not all of them, I would actually say not most of them, but there are some seriously incredible works of art being minted and sold. Can you please point out which ones are seriously incredible?
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NFT Art , by nobokov on Nov 4, 2021 1:32:51 GMT 1, Can you please point out which ones are seriously incredible? Looking at the top-selling NFT artworks on cryptoart.io, the work of xcopy meets that standard as well. I guess we can agree to disagree then.
Can you please point out which ones are seriously incredible? Looking at the top-selling NFT artworks on cryptoart.io, the work of xcopy meets that standard as well. I guess we can agree to disagree then.
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NFT Art , by set0312 on Nov 4, 2021 7:29:04 GMT 1, Thanks for this, it’s one of the first sensible ‘explanations’ of the NFT phenomena I’ve read on here. However, what I’m struggling with is the seeming lack of what I would consider to be genuinely innovative art using this new digital medium (with the notable exception of Hirst because of the sheer scale and concept). And I get that we all have a different perspective on what’s good, but you must surely agree that even some very credible artists seem to be releasing work which frankly they should be embarrassed about (the Jordy Kerwick this week for example), which just feels like a lazy cash grab. If there are some great artists out there (and I’m sure you are right when you say that) would you be so kind as to share some of their work? I would love to see something which is exciting enough to make me want to embrace this brave new world! Wonderful! I highly recommend checking out John Karel aka jjjjjjjohn, specifically the 'Window Still Life' series on Tezos twitter.com/jjjjjjjjjjohnwww.hicetnunc.xyz/jjjjjohnBetter viewed here: www.objkt.com/profile/tz1gqaKjfQBhUMCE6LhbkpuittRiWv5Z6w38/creationsJohn Karel is best known for his skeleton .gif works Giphy/Tumblr. Karel also recently launched a generative mint project priced at around 30 USD and available for 24 hours on Halloween. The window is now closed, but some can be purchased on the secondary market. www.commonskeles.xyzwww.commonskeles.xyz/about.htmlwww.objkt.com/collection/rcsI am no expert myself, but I am quite sure there is something special here. I have been following John Karel's work as of late, and he is the real deal. I am fascinated by his work. He also appears to be a wonderful, clever person from what I have seen, and has a demeanor somewhat reminiscent of Banksy. So as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I quite like these and am trying to figure out how to buy some at the moment. Trying to figure out how to start a wallet and all that fun stuff. From what I can tell, these don't have an associated community yet? It seems all the big NFT projects have like IRL meet-ups and shit planned, whereas these are just collecting for the art?
Cheers for the in depth explanation of NFTs above. I found it helpful.
Thanks for this, it’s one of the first sensible ‘explanations’ of the NFT phenomena I’ve read on here. However, what I’m struggling with is the seeming lack of what I would consider to be genuinely innovative art using this new digital medium (with the notable exception of Hirst because of the sheer scale and concept). And I get that we all have a different perspective on what’s good, but you must surely agree that even some very credible artists seem to be releasing work which frankly they should be embarrassed about (the Jordy Kerwick this week for example), which just feels like a lazy cash grab. If there are some great artists out there (and I’m sure you are right when you say that) would you be so kind as to share some of their work? I would love to see something which is exciting enough to make me want to embrace this brave new world! Wonderful! I highly recommend checking out John Karel aka jjjjjjjohn, specifically the 'Window Still Life' series on Tezos twitter.com/jjjjjjjjjjohnwww.hicetnunc.xyz/jjjjjohnBetter viewed here: www.objkt.com/profile/tz1gqaKjfQBhUMCE6LhbkpuittRiWv5Z6w38/creationsJohn Karel is best known for his skeleton .gif works Giphy/Tumblr. Karel also recently launched a generative mint project priced at around 30 USD and available for 24 hours on Halloween. The window is now closed, but some can be purchased on the secondary market. www.commonskeles.xyzwww.commonskeles.xyz/about.htmlwww.objkt.com/collection/rcsI am no expert myself, but I am quite sure there is something special here. I have been following John Karel's work as of late, and he is the real deal. I am fascinated by his work. He also appears to be a wonderful, clever person from what I have seen, and has a demeanor somewhat reminiscent of Banksy. So as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I quite like these and am trying to figure out how to buy some at the moment. Trying to figure out how to start a wallet and all that fun stuff. From what I can tell, these don't have an associated community yet? It seems all the big NFT projects have like IRL meet-ups and shit planned, whereas these are just collecting for the art? Cheers for the in depth explanation of NFTs above. I found it helpful.
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NFT Art , by toshspice on Nov 4, 2021 13:43:58 GMT 1, Anyone need to decorate their house on Minecraft? Quoting this so I can reference it down the line. Thank you for the ridicule! No problem. One man's pleasure is another man's torture. NFTs may eventually be the future of art, but not in their current form. For now I'm taking a huge swerve.
Anyone need to decorate their house on Minecraft? Quoting this so I can reference it down the line. Thank you for the ridicule! No problem. One man's pleasure is another man's torture. NFTs may eventually be the future of art, but not in their current form. For now I'm taking a huge swerve.
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NFT Art , by artylang on Nov 4, 2021 14:11:36 GMT 1, Quoting this so I can reference it down the line. Thank you for the ridicule! No problem. One man's pleasure is another man's torture. NFTs may eventually be the future of art, but not in their current form. For now I'm taking a huge swerve.
Current form? What change are you looking forward to that you don't see at present?Nfts are the most efficient and equitable method to distribute culture that has ever existed.
Is 90% of what's being pumped out there trash? Absolutely. Is this forum any different?... is any art movement?
I've been on here in some form since 2006. Banksy was what pushed me into my love for art and art history. I can say without a doubt that my deep dive since early this year into digital art, generative (code based) art, and nfts has been the most exciting and energizing experience I have had since beginning here.
I will also co-sign on John Karel as the guy who will carry the torch of a generation in the way banksy has. To me, besides nostalgia, the saccharine appearance of many of his works belie a critical opinion of society and the direction we may be headed in a way I think Keith Haring and Warhol did, only with the sensibilities of someone like Norman Rockwell.
Quoting this so I can reference it down the line. Thank you for the ridicule! No problem. One man's pleasure is another man's torture. NFTs may eventually be the future of art, but not in their current form. For now I'm taking a huge swerve. Current form? What change are you looking forward to that you don't see at present?Nfts are the most efficient and equitable method to distribute culture that has ever existed. Is 90% of what's being pumped out there trash? Absolutely. Is this forum any different?... is any art movement? I've been on here in some form since 2006. Banksy was what pushed me into my love for art and art history. I can say without a doubt that my deep dive since early this year into digital art, generative (code based) art, and nfts has been the most exciting and energizing experience I have had since beginning here. I will also co-sign on John Karel as the guy who will carry the torch of a generation in the way banksy has. To me, besides nostalgia, the saccharine appearance of many of his works belie a critical opinion of society and the direction we may be headed in a way I think Keith Haring and Warhol did, only with the sensibilities of someone like Norman Rockwell.
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NFT Art , by nobokov on Nov 4, 2021 15:15:11 GMT 1, No problem. One man's pleasure is another man's torture. NFTs may eventually be the future of art, but not in their current form. For now I'm taking a huge swerve. Current form? What change are you looking forward to that you don't see at present?Nfts are the most efficient and equitable method to distribute culture that has ever existed. Is 90% of what's being pumped out there trash? Absolutely. Is this forum any different?... is any art movement? I've been on here in some form since 2006. Banksy was what pushed me into my love for art and art history. I can say without a doubt that my deep dive since early this year into digital art, generative (code based) art, and nfts has been the most exciting and energizing experience I have had since beginning here. I will also co-sign on John Karel as the guy who will carry the torch of a generation in the way banksy has. To me, besides nostalgia, the saccharine appearance of many of his works belie a critical opinion of society and the direction we may be headed in a way I think Keith Haring and Warhol did, only with the sensibilities of someone like Norman Rockwell. If John Karel is the guy who will carry the torch of a generation, boy I feel sorry for that generation. Jesus, it's a gaudy awful animated giF s that wouldn't even make it into Thinkspace gallery if these were made with paint.
Can someone point us to the 10% of nfts that aren't trash? 5%? 1% Anyone?
No problem. One man's pleasure is another man's torture. NFTs may eventually be the future of art, but not in their current form. For now I'm taking a huge swerve. Current form? What change are you looking forward to that you don't see at present?Nfts are the most efficient and equitable method to distribute culture that has ever existed. Is 90% of what's being pumped out there trash? Absolutely. Is this forum any different?... is any art movement? I've been on here in some form since 2006. Banksy was what pushed me into my love for art and art history. I can say without a doubt that my deep dive since early this year into digital art, generative (code based) art, and nfts has been the most exciting and energizing experience I have had since beginning here. I will also co-sign on John Karel as the guy who will carry the torch of a generation in the way banksy has. To me, besides nostalgia, the saccharine appearance of many of his works belie a critical opinion of society and the direction we may be headed in a way I think Keith Haring and Warhol did, only with the sensibilities of someone like Norman Rockwell. If John Karel is the guy who will carry the torch of a generation, boy I feel sorry for that generation. Jesus, it's a gaudy awful animated giF s that wouldn't even make it into Thinkspace gallery if these were made with paint.
Can someone point us to the 10% of nfts that aren't trash? 5%? 1% Anyone?
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NFT Art , by nobokov on Nov 4, 2021 15:33:45 GMT 1, If John Karel is the guy who will carry the torch of a generation, boy I feel sorry for that generation. Jesus, it's a gaudy awful animated giF s that wouldn't even make it into Thinkspace gallery if these were made with paint.
Can someone point us to the 10% of nfts that aren't trash? 5%? 1% Anyone?
You've been shown them, and don't think they are good art. At least you don't now. I have been through this before. Some are unable to identify good art without social signals. See you in ten years. Quoting this so I can reference it down the line. Thank you for the ridicule!
I expect your love for the work of John Karel will age like fine milk.
If John Karel is the guy who will carry the torch of a generation, boy I feel sorry for that generation. Jesus, it's a gaudy awful animated giF s that wouldn't even make it into Thinkspace gallery if these were made with paint.
Can someone point us to the 10% of nfts that aren't trash? 5%? 1% Anyone?
You've been shown them, and don't think they are good art. At least you don't now. I have been through this before. Some are unable to identify good art without social signals. See you in ten years. Quoting this so I can reference it down the line. Thank you for the ridicule!
I expect your love for the work of John Karel will age like fine milk.
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NFT Art , by coller on Nov 4, 2021 15:35:09 GMT 1, Blah
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NFT Art , by nobokov on Nov 4, 2021 15:36:50 GMT 1, Quoting this so I can reference it down the line. Thank you for the ridicule!
I expect your love for the work of John Karel will age like fine milk.
You may notice that the majority of responses to the art in here were positive, so calling the art gaudy trash that wouldn't make it into a gallery is quite ignorant and more a reflection of yourself. That seems rather obvious here. Just kidding around of course. But not kidding about how bad that stuff is. I'm guessing you probably have a good stake in what you're pushing, so I wish you good luck.
Quoting this so I can reference it down the line. Thank you for the ridicule!
I expect your love for the work of John Karel will age like fine milk.
You may notice that the majority of responses to the art in here were positive, so calling the art gaudy trash that wouldn't make it into a gallery is quite ignorant and more a reflection of yourself. That seems rather obvious here. Just kidding around of course. But not kidding about how bad that stuff is. I'm guessing you probably have a good stake in what you're pushing, so I wish you good luck.
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NFT Art , by coller on Nov 4, 2021 15:39:25 GMT 1,
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NFT Art , by nobokov on Nov 4, 2021 15:50:13 GMT 1, Just kidding around of course. But not kidding about how bad that stuff is. I'm guessing you probably have a good stake in what you're pushing, so I wish you good luck. I don't have a 'good stake' in what I'm 'pushing.' I can recognize good art, and like to share that art with others who also recognize good art, as was the case here. Apparently that is not for you. I am not asking anyone to purchase this art. I'm curious if you feel informed on NFTs and digital art. You do not sound informed, at all. I've followed digital art prior to the NFT fad, but have never been a real fan of it. It's all been pretty bad and not very collectable. Now it's collectable, but still very bad.
But unfortunately, I cannot recognize good art, so it's been tough for me. Where others see roses and gummi bears, I just see vomit and diarrhea. Can you imagine the curse that is?
Just kidding around of course. But not kidding about how bad that stuff is. I'm guessing you probably have a good stake in what you're pushing, so I wish you good luck. I don't have a 'good stake' in what I'm 'pushing.' I can recognize good art, and like to share that art with others who also recognize good art, as was the case here. Apparently that is not for you. I am not asking anyone to purchase this art. I'm curious if you feel informed on NFTs and digital art. You do not sound informed, at all. I've followed digital art prior to the NFT fad, but have never been a real fan of it. It's all been pretty bad and not very collectable. Now it's collectable, but still very bad.
But unfortunately, I cannot recognize good art, so it's been tough for me. Where others see roses and gummi bears, I just see vomit and diarrhea. Can you imagine the curse that is?
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NFT Art , by nobokov on Nov 4, 2021 16:17:05 GMT 1, Some cannot grasp that others may like something they don't like, even when presented with concrete evidence such as the other users posting in this thread. That doesn't make the thing qualitatively bad or stupid. It's really not an effective argument to attack those who disagree. Thus far, you've presented concrete evidence that the medium is in its infancy and only suggested two artists I think. More artists presented would be useful.
Anyhow, I followed Daata Editions and Sedition in the past, but none of it drew me to put actual money in it. Digital art just isn't compelling enough for me in my mind to invest in because it's not easily displayed and I don't want to leave the TV on just to display a looping video. Even with all the love for Arthur Jafa's love is the message last year and renewed love for Nam June Paik, I just don't see the appeal.
Some cannot grasp that others may like something they don't like, even when presented with concrete evidence such as the other users posting in this thread. That doesn't make the thing qualitatively bad or stupid. It's really not an effective argument to attack those who disagree. Thus far, you've presented concrete evidence that the medium is in its infancy and only suggested two artists I think. More artists presented would be useful.
Anyhow, I followed Daata Editions and Sedition in the past, but none of it drew me to put actual money in it. Digital art just isn't compelling enough for me in my mind to invest in because it's not easily displayed and I don't want to leave the TV on just to display a looping video. Even with all the love for Arthur Jafa's love is the message last year and renewed love for Nam June Paik, I just don't see the appeal.
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NFT Art , by artylang on Nov 4, 2021 16:17:36 GMT 1, Current form? What change are you looking forward to that you don't see at present?Nfts are the most efficient and equitable method to distribute culture that has ever existed. Is 90% of what's being pumped out there trash? Absolutely. Is this forum any different?... is any art movement? I've been on here in some form since 2006. Banksy was what pushed me into my love for art and art history. I can say without a doubt that my deep dive since early this year into digital art, generative (code based) art, and nfts has been the most exciting and energizing experience I have had since beginning here. I will also co-sign on John Karel as the guy who will carry the torch of a generation in the way banksy has. To me, besides nostalgia, the saccharine appearance of many of his works belie a critical opinion of society and the direction we may be headed in a way I think Keith Haring and Warhol did, only with the sensibilities of someone like Norman Rockwell. If John Karel is the guy who will carry the torch of a generation, boy I feel sorry for that generation. Jesus, it's a gaudy awful animated giF s that wouldn't even make it into Thinkspace gallery if these were made with paint.
Can someone point us to the 10% of nfts that aren't trash? 5%? 1% Anyone?
this is how i feel about banksy. To me, John is like Banksy without the crutch sjw politics (which I mostly agree with fwiw).
Current form? What change are you looking forward to that you don't see at present?Nfts are the most efficient and equitable method to distribute culture that has ever existed. Is 90% of what's being pumped out there trash? Absolutely. Is this forum any different?... is any art movement? I've been on here in some form since 2006. Banksy was what pushed me into my love for art and art history. I can say without a doubt that my deep dive since early this year into digital art, generative (code based) art, and nfts has been the most exciting and energizing experience I have had since beginning here. I will also co-sign on John Karel as the guy who will carry the torch of a generation in the way banksy has. To me, besides nostalgia, the saccharine appearance of many of his works belie a critical opinion of society and the direction we may be headed in a way I think Keith Haring and Warhol did, only with the sensibilities of someone like Norman Rockwell. If John Karel is the guy who will carry the torch of a generation, boy I feel sorry for that generation. Jesus, it's a gaudy awful animated giF s that wouldn't even make it into Thinkspace gallery if these were made with paint.
Can someone point us to the 10% of nfts that aren't trash? 5%? 1% Anyone?
this is how i feel about banksy. To me, John is like Banksy without the crutch sjw politics (which I mostly agree with fwiw).
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