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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Hobby Artist on Nov 19, 2021 13:12:44 GMT 1, How odd. Are you in the UK? All the available literature says that two different vaccines will give better protection than all 3 jabs of the same one. Unless, perhaps, you have certain medical conditions that are thought to be a risk for a certain vaccine make. Yes, Uk. And no, no reason not to have any particular vaccine. I didnโt question it as I thought the norm was to have a booster of the same vaccine as your first two. Perhaps that was a misunderstanding on my part.
the difference is not that much. Mooncub is right though: for a maximum immune response, it would be the best to switch the mRNA vaccine for the third shot, but the difference is rather small. So if you went for 3 times Pfizer (and this is, how Israel did), you have excellent protection.
Cheers!
How odd. Are you in the UK? All the available literature says that two different vaccines will give better protection than all 3 jabs of the same one. Unless, perhaps, you have certain medical conditions that are thought to be a risk for a certain vaccine make. Yes, Uk. And no, no reason not to have any particular vaccine. I didnโt question it as I thought the norm was to have a booster of the same vaccine as your first two. Perhaps that was a misunderstanding on my part. Hey coach, the difference is not that much. Mooncub is right though: for a maximum immune response, it would be the best to switch the mRNA vaccine for the third shot, but the difference is rather small. So if you went for 3 times Pfizer (and this is, how Israel did), you have excellent protection. Cheers! |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by put the kettle on on Nov 19, 2021 13:34:55 GMT 1, Since when did people feel the need to go online and tell other people who they may or may not know there personal health condition or vaccine status? Strange! Why strange? This is a covid and vaccine chat thread. But if you don't want people to know if you've had the vaccine or not then that is, of course, perfectly fine.
Since when did people feel the need to go online and tell other people who they may or may not know there personal health condition or vaccine status? Strange! Why strange? This is a covid and vaccine chat thread. But if you don't want people to know if you've had the vaccine or not then that is, of course, perfectly fine. Do you tell other people outside of your close family and maybe friends your medical status? If its a thread about just Vaccines then maybe but people on this thread and out in the wider community telling people about there personal medical status, is unusual and strange as we dont do this for any other health conditions |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by teabaggins on Nov 19, 2021 13:44:15 GMT 1, Why strange? ย This is a covid and vaccine chat thread. ย But if you don't want people to know if you've had the vaccine or not then that is, of course, perfectly fine. ย Do you tell other people outside of your close family and maybe friends your medical status? If its a thread about just Vaccines then maybe but people on this thread and out in the wider community telling people about there personal medical status, is unusual and strange as we dont do this for any other health conditionsย
Some people just donโt take everything so seriously and find it perfectly normal to exhibit some vulnerability in conversation. Iโve had covid, all 3 Moderna shots, and have no problem sharing that info if someone else finds that info interesting. Not something I, (or most people Iโve met for that matter, ) have an issue discussing.
Why strange? ย This is a covid and vaccine chat thread. ย But if you don't want people to know if you've had the vaccine or not then that is, of course, perfectly fine. ย Do you tell other people outside of your close family and maybe friends your medical status? If its a thread about just Vaccines then maybe but people on this thread and out in the wider community telling people about there personal medical status, is unusual and strange as we dont do this for any other health conditionsย Some people just donโt take everything so seriously and find it perfectly normal to exhibit some vulnerability in conversation. Iโve had covid, all 3 Moderna shots, and have no problem sharing that info if someone else finds that info interesting. Not something I, (or most people Iโve met for that matter, ) have an issue discussing. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Pipes on Nov 19, 2021 13:56:54 GMT 1, Where are you based? ย Here in the UK, you do not get to choose what booster jab you have. ย You just make an appointment for "a booster jab". ย If you had the first and second Pfizer jabs then the booster jab will not be a Pfizer one again. ย It will be something different. ย At least that's what they are doing in the UK. ย Are you sure about that? Iโve had my booster. It was Pfizer, as were my first two jabs.
As did my parents - same shots as their original 2 jabs.
Where are you based? ย Here in the UK, you do not get to choose what booster jab you have. ย You just make an appointment for "a booster jab". ย If you had the first and second Pfizer jabs then the booster jab will not be a Pfizer one again. ย It will be something different. ย At least that's what they are doing in the UK. ย Are you sure about that? Iโve had my booster. It was Pfizer, as were my first two jabs. As did my parents - same shots as their original 2 jabs. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by put the kettle on on Nov 19, 2021 14:35:57 GMT 1, Do you tell other people outside of your close family and maybe friends your medical status? If its a thread about just Vaccines then maybe but people on this thread and out in the wider community telling people about there personal medical status, is unusual and strange as we dont do this for any other health conditions Some people just donโt take everything so seriously and find it perfectly normal to exhibit some vulnerability in conversation. Iโve had covid, all 3 Moderna shots, and have no problem sharing that info if someone else finds that info interesting. Not something I, (or most people Iโve met for that matter, ) have an issue discussing.
Do you tell other people outside of your close family and maybe friends your medical status? If its a thread about just Vaccines then maybe but people on this thread and out in the wider community telling people about there personal medical status, is unusual and strange as we dont do this for any other health conditions Some people just donโt take everything so seriously and find it perfectly normal to exhibit some vulnerability in conversation. Iโve had covid, all 3 Moderna shots, and have no problem sharing that info if someone else finds that info interesting. Not something I, (or most people Iโve met for that matter, ) have an issue discussing. Maybe they should have an issue with it, We have become obsessed with covid in are homes in the community, Hospitals, everywhere. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by put the kettle on on Nov 19, 2021 14:37:21 GMT 1, Do you tell other people outside of your close family and maybe friends your medical status? If its a thread about just Vaccines then maybe but people on this thread and out in the wider community telling people about there personal medical status, is unusual and strange as we dont do this for any other health conditions I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had.
Do you tell other people outside of your close family and maybe friends your medical status? If its a thread about just Vaccines then maybe but people on this thread and out in the wider community telling people about there personal medical status, is unusual and strange as we dont do this for any other health conditions I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had. Why are you happy to do this? don't you find it a bit strange! |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by teabaggins on Nov 19, 2021 14:43:04 GMT 1, Some people just donโt take everything so seriously and find it perfectly normal to exhibit some vulnerability in conversation. Iโve had covid, all 3 Moderna shots, and have no problem sharing that info if someone else finds that info interesting. Not something I, (or most people Iโve met for that matter, ) have an issue discussing. Maybe they should have an issue with it, We have become obsessed with covid in are homes in the community, Hospitals, everywhere.
So your โissueโ is with people who donโt have a problem sharing their personal information? Thatโs something I find far more strange than sharing innocuous personal data.
Some people just donโt take everything so seriously and find it perfectly normal to exhibit some vulnerability in conversation. Iโve had covid, all 3 Moderna shots, and have no problem sharing that info if someone else finds that info interesting. Not something I, (or most people Iโve met for that matter, ) have an issue discussing. Maybe they should have an issue with it, We have become obsessed with covid in are homes in the community, Hospitals, everywhere. So your โissueโ is with people who donโt have a problem sharing their personal information? Thatโs something I find far more strange than sharing innocuous personal data. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by viz on Nov 19, 2021 14:43:57 GMT 1, Some people just donโt take everything so seriously and find it perfectly normal to exhibit some vulnerability in conversation. Iโve had covid, all 3 Moderna shots, and have no problem sharing that info if someone else finds that info interesting. Not something I, (or most people Iโve met for that matter, ) have an issue discussing. Maybe they should have an issue with it, We have become obsessed with covid in are homes in the community, Hospitals, everywhere.
It's affecting our everyday lives since two years as no other event did before, so it's normal discussing about it and even being a little obsessed since the virus can take to death and the vaccine can prevent it.
Some people just donโt take everything so seriously and find it perfectly normal to exhibit some vulnerability in conversation. Iโve had covid, all 3 Moderna shots, and have no problem sharing that info if someone else finds that info interesting. Not something I, (or most people Iโve met for that matter, ) have an issue discussing. Maybe they should have an issue with it, We have become obsessed with covid in are homes in the community, Hospitals, everywhere. It's affecting our everyday lives since two years as no other event did before, so it's normal discussing about it and even being a little obsessed since the virus can take to death and the vaccine can prevent it. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by teabaggins on Nov 19, 2021 15:02:32 GMT 1, I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. ย If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. ย I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had. ย so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? see where iโm going? where does it end? whatโs the limit? cause if itโs a privacy or comfort of sharing issue, some ppl arenโt comfortable sharing something as simple as their blood type, and y should u? unless itโs with your medical team that cares 4 u? then they need that info 2 help uโฆ. if the vaccine actually was a vaccine that stopped transition n virtually eliminated the disease, i.e. polio, measles, etc. then maybe, but it doesnโt, as a simple look at the numbers proves that, as some of the most heavily vaccinated cities like mine nyc r getting massive surges in delta rn, and middle of the pack as far as vaxd status states like florida n texas have very low positive casesโฆ. all the vaccine does is keep u out of the hospital or dyingโฆ. YOUโฆ. nobody else, as itโs been proven then even admitted by the cdc that the vaccinated also spread covid, so if your vaccinated, ur done, u can do no more, and if percentage of population vaxd actually stopped or slowed the spread of delta, NY would b low cases right now n the exact opposite is trueโฆ. covid is hear 2 stay, if u think zero covid is a possiblility your wrong, just ask any virologist or epidemiologist or learned doctor/phd, cause iโm def not one, lol! so again, where does it end? whatโs the limiting factor on the personal medical info you must submit? what about boosters? now we have to be injected annually?  i know a TON of ppl, all double vaccinated, that all agree they will not b getting boosters every year 4 covid, 4 the rest of their lives, which is the plan thatโs blatantly obviousโฆ. so again, whatโs the limiting factor?
I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. ย If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. ย I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had. ย so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? see where iโm going? where does it end? whatโs the limit? cause if itโs a privacy or comfort of sharing issue, some ppl arenโt comfortable sharing something as simple as their blood type, and y should u? unless itโs with your medical team that cares 4 u? then they need that info 2 help uโฆ. if the vaccine actually was a vaccine that stopped transition n virtually eliminated the disease, i.e. polio, measles, etc. then maybe, but it doesnโt, as a simple look at the numbers proves that, as some of the most heavily vaccinated cities like mine nyc r getting massive surges in delta rn, and middle of the pack as far as vaxd status states like florida n texas have very low positive casesโฆ. all the vaccine does is keep u out of the hospital or dyingโฆ. YOUโฆ. nobody else, as itโs been proven then even admitted by the cdc that the vaccinated also spread covid, so if your vaccinated, ur done, u can do no more, and if percentage of population vaxd actually stopped or slowed the spread of delta, NY would b low cases right now n the exact opposite is trueโฆ. covid is hear 2 stay, if u think zero covid is a possiblility your wrong, just ask any virologist or epidemiologist or learned doctor/phd, cause iโm def not one, lol! so again, where does it end? whatโs the limiting factor on the personal medical info you must submit? what about boosters? now we have to be injected annually? i know a TON of ppl, all double vaccinated, that all agree they will not b getting boosters every year 4 covid, 4 the rest of their lives, which is the plan thatโs blatantly obviousโฆ. so again, whatโs the limiting factor? I imagine there will be a shortage of tin foil soon as well โฆ Do you refer to yourself as a โcritical thinkerโ? ย |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Happy Shopper on Nov 19, 2021 15:09:05 GMT 1, I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had. so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? see where iโm going? where does it end? whatโs the limit? cause if itโs a privacy or comfort of sharing issue, some ppl arenโt comfortable sharing something as simple as their blood type, and y should u? unless itโs with your medical team that cares 4 u? then they need that info 2 help uโฆ. if the vaccine actually was a vaccine that stopped transition n virtually eliminated the disease, i.e. polio, measles, etc. then maybe, but it doesnโt, as a simple look at the numbers proves that, as some of the most heavily vaccinated cities like mine nyc r getting massive surges in delta rn, and middle of the pack as far as vaxd status states like florida n texas have very low positive casesโฆ. all the vaccine does is keep u out of the hospital or dyingโฆ. YOUโฆ. nobody else, as itโs been proven then even admitted by the cdc that the vaccinated also spread covid, so if your vaccinated, ur done, u can do no more, and if percentage of population vaxd actually stopped or slowed the spread of delta, NY would b low cases right now n the exact opposite is trueโฆ. covid is hear 2 stay, if u think zero covid is a possiblility your wrong, just ask any virologist or epidemiologist or learned doctor/phd, cause iโm def not one, lol! so again, where does it end? whatโs the limiting factor on the personal medical info you must submit? what about boosters? now we have to be injected annually? i know a TON of ppl, all double vaccinated, that all agree they will not b getting boosters every year 4 covid, 4 the rest of their lives, which is the plan thatโs blatantly obviousโฆ. so again, whatโs the limiting factor?
Actually, the vaccine reducing symptoms does reduce the spread, even if it doesn't stop it completely. Which is better for everyone.
Also, fewer hospitalisations mean hospitals can treat other things. Because it's not just the old that can end up in hospital, it can be random, so the more people vaccinated the better.
As for vaccinations every year... Have you heard of Flu vaccinations?
It's like that. Not that worrying for most people.
I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had. so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? see where iโm going? where does it end? whatโs the limit? cause if itโs a privacy or comfort of sharing issue, some ppl arenโt comfortable sharing something as simple as their blood type, and y should u? unless itโs with your medical team that cares 4 u? then they need that info 2 help uโฆ. if the vaccine actually was a vaccine that stopped transition n virtually eliminated the disease, i.e. polio, measles, etc. then maybe, but it doesnโt, as a simple look at the numbers proves that, as some of the most heavily vaccinated cities like mine nyc r getting massive surges in delta rn, and middle of the pack as far as vaxd status states like florida n texas have very low positive casesโฆ. all the vaccine does is keep u out of the hospital or dyingโฆ. YOUโฆ. nobody else, as itโs been proven then even admitted by the cdc that the vaccinated also spread covid, so if your vaccinated, ur done, u can do no more, and if percentage of population vaxd actually stopped or slowed the spread of delta, NY would b low cases right now n the exact opposite is trueโฆ. covid is hear 2 stay, if u think zero covid is a possiblility your wrong, just ask any virologist or epidemiologist or learned doctor/phd, cause iโm def not one, lol! so again, where does it end? whatโs the limiting factor on the personal medical info you must submit? what about boosters? now we have to be injected annually? i know a TON of ppl, all double vaccinated, that all agree they will not b getting boosters every year 4 covid, 4 the rest of their lives, which is the plan thatโs blatantly obviousโฆ. so again, whatโs the limiting factor? Actually, the vaccine reducing symptoms does reduce the spread, even if it doesn't stop it completely. Which is better for everyone. Also, fewer hospitalisations mean hospitals can treat other things. Because it's not just the old that can end up in hospital, it can be random, so the more people vaccinated the better. As for vaccinations every year... Have you heard of Flu vaccinations? It's like that. Not that worrying for most people. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Hubble Bubble on Nov 19, 2021 15:15:05 GMT 1, As far as I'm aware there is no directive to mix the vaccines. The only boosters (here in the UK) offered are Moderna and Pfizer. Both are allocated to vaccination centres based on their (the centres') size and their ability to deal with the slightly different fridge protocols of the different vaccines based on their (the centres') average number of vaccinators and their patient footfall.
So it's in the lap of the gods who gets what and there is no directive to, say, give someone Moderna if they had Pfizer for their first two jabs. All have very similar efficacy and Moderna and Pfizer are similar in make up and the way they work. You'll simply get what the centre has and if it's the same as your main jabs, so be it.
I'm unaware of any published data indicating that it is more effective to cross vaccinate at booster stage though there is a reasonably based assumption that mixing vaccines won't do any harm and could possibly result in a very small benefit. Certainly that's what we say to folk who worry about not having the same dose they had as their main two jabs.
As for side effects, I've heard tons of rumours about what's supposed to be best and what isn't. I can only tell you, hand on heart, that after nearly a year of vaccinating, I see absolutely no difference in the reported prevalence of side effects for one particular jab over another. It really is the luck of the draw, dependent on all sorts of personal factors. (Strangely enough, there is consistent reporting (to me) that side effects are more common with the first AZ dose and not thereafter, as opposed to with the second Pfizer dose and not before).
cheers
HB
As far as I'm aware there is no directive to mix the vaccines. The only boosters (here in the UK) offered are Moderna and Pfizer. Both are allocated to vaccination centres based on their (the centres') size and their ability to deal with the slightly different fridge protocols of the different vaccines based on their (the centres') average number of vaccinators and their patient footfall.
So it's in the lap of the gods who gets what and there is no directive to, say, give someone Moderna if they had Pfizer for their first two jabs. All have very similar efficacy and Moderna and Pfizer are similar in make up and the way they work. You'll simply get what the centre has and if it's the same as your main jabs, so be it.
I'm unaware of any published data indicating that it is more effective to cross vaccinate at booster stage though there is a reasonably based assumption that mixing vaccines won't do any harm and could possibly result in a very small benefit. Certainly that's what we say to folk who worry about not having the same dose they had as their main two jabs.
As for side effects, I've heard tons of rumours about what's supposed to be best and what isn't. I can only tell you, hand on heart, that after nearly a year of vaccinating, I see absolutely no difference in the reported prevalence of side effects for one particular jab over another. It really is the luck of the draw, dependent on all sorts of personal factors. (Strangely enough, there is consistent reporting (to me) that side effects are more common with the first AZ dose and not thereafter, as opposed to with the second Pfizer dose and not before).
cheers
HB
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Hubble Bubble on Nov 19, 2021 15:39:36 GMT 1, I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had. so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? see where iโm going? where does it end? whatโs the limit? cause if itโs a privacy or comfort of sharing issue, some ppl arenโt comfortable sharing something as simple as their blood type, and y should u? unless itโs with your medical team that cares 4 u? then they need that info 2 help uโฆ. if the vaccine actually was a vaccine that stopped transition n virtually eliminated the disease, i.e. polio, measles, etc. then maybe, but it doesnโt, as a simple look at the numbers proves that, as some of the most heavily vaccinated cities like mine nyc r getting massive surges in delta rn, and middle of the pack as far as vaxd status states like florida n texas have very low positive casesโฆ. all the vaccine does is keep u out of the hospital or dyingโฆ. YOUโฆ. nobody else, as itโs been proven then even admitted by the cdc that the vaccinated also spread covid, so if your vaccinated, ur done, u can do no more, and if percentage of population vaxd actually stopped or slowed the spread of delta, NY would b low cases right now n the exact opposite is trueโฆ. covid is hear 2 stay, if u think zero covid is a possiblility your wrong, just ask any virologist or epidemiologist or learned doctor/phd, cause iโm def not one, lol! so again, where does it end? whatโs the limiting factor on the personal medical info you must submit? what about boosters? now we have to be injected annually? i know a TON of ppl, all double vaccinated, that all agree they will not b getting boosters every year 4 covid, 4 the rest of their lives, which is the plan thatโs blatantly obviousโฆ. so again, whatโs the limiting factor?
A couple of things...
You say
"if the vaccine actually was a vaccine that stopped transition n virtually eliminated the disease, i.e. polio, measles, etc. then maybe, but it doesnโt, as a simple look at the numbers proves that"
The first successful polio vaccine was introduced in the USA in 1952. It took until 2014 for polio to be eradicated from India. To this day, polio is still active in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria. I'd say the success rate of our Covid vaccine points to it/them being every bit as successful as its polio predecessor.
You are incorrect when you say that the
"all the vaccine does is keep u out of the hospital or dying".
I'm sorry, that's simply not true. Double vaccination clearly reduces the likelihood of an individual contracting covid. Numbers vary but a commonly agreed figure is that double vaccination reduces by 66% a person's chance of contracting covid compared to an unvaccinated person's. What's more, if they do contract covid, it reduces by 96% the likelihood of their hospitalisation or serious illness. As for transmissibility, recent studies have shown that vaccinated people with the Delta variant are 63% less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated.
Work all those numbers together... reduced risk of contraction plus thereafter reduced risk of transmission plus thereafter reduced risk of hospitalisation and you end up with what I and many other consider a compelling case for vaccination.
But... as things stand... the choice is still there to be made. Your friends don't want boosters... that's cool. Just don't ask them to try and persuade everyone else not to have them.
I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had. so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? see where iโm going? where does it end? whatโs the limit? cause if itโs a privacy or comfort of sharing issue, some ppl arenโt comfortable sharing something as simple as their blood type, and y should u? unless itโs with your medical team that cares 4 u? then they need that info 2 help uโฆ. if the vaccine actually was a vaccine that stopped transition n virtually eliminated the disease, i.e. polio, measles, etc. then maybe, but it doesnโt, as a simple look at the numbers proves that, as some of the most heavily vaccinated cities like mine nyc r getting massive surges in delta rn, and middle of the pack as far as vaxd status states like florida n texas have very low positive casesโฆ. all the vaccine does is keep u out of the hospital or dyingโฆ. YOUโฆ. nobody else, as itโs been proven then even admitted by the cdc that the vaccinated also spread covid, so if your vaccinated, ur done, u can do no more, and if percentage of population vaxd actually stopped or slowed the spread of delta, NY would b low cases right now n the exact opposite is trueโฆ. covid is hear 2 stay, if u think zero covid is a possiblility your wrong, just ask any virologist or epidemiologist or learned doctor/phd, cause iโm def not one, lol! so again, where does it end? whatโs the limiting factor on the personal medical info you must submit? what about boosters? now we have to be injected annually? i know a TON of ppl, all double vaccinated, that all agree they will not b getting boosters every year 4 covid, 4 the rest of their lives, which is the plan thatโs blatantly obviousโฆ. so again, whatโs the limiting factor? A couple of things... You say "if the vaccine actually was a vaccine that stopped transition n virtually eliminated the disease, i.e. polio, measles, etc. then maybe, but it doesnโt, as a simple look at the numbers proves that" The first successful polio vaccine was introduced in the USA in 1952. It took until 2014 for polio to be eradicated from India. To this day, polio is still active in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria. I'd say the success rate of our Covid vaccine points to it/them being every bit as successful as its polio predecessor. You are incorrect when you say that the "all the vaccine does is keep u out of the hospital or dying". I'm sorry, that's simply not true. Double vaccination clearly reduces the likelihood of an individual contracting covid. Numbers vary but a commonly agreed figure is that double vaccination reduces by 66% a person's chance of contracting covid compared to an unvaccinated person's. What's more, if they do contract covid, it reduces by 96% the likelihood of their hospitalisation or serious illness. As for transmissibility, recent studies have shown that vaccinated people with the Delta variant are 63% less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated. Work all those numbers together... reduced risk of contraction plus thereafter reduced risk of transmission plus thereafter reduced risk of hospitalisation and you end up with what I and many other consider a compelling case for vaccination. But... as things stand... the choice is still there to be made. Your friends don't want boosters... that's cool. Just don't ask them to try and persuade everyone else not to have them. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by kfroms on Nov 19, 2021 15:44:44 GMT 1, so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? I stopped reading at "experimental serum".
Picked up my booster jab this morning. Let's see if I get any side effects in the next hours...
so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? I stopped reading at "experimental serum". I stopped reading when I saw that the post was from mattmma22. Picked up my booster jab this morning. Let's see if I get any side effects in the next hours... |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by irl1 on Nov 19, 2021 17:03:25 GMT 1, I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had. Why are you happy to do this? don't you find it a bit strange!
All of us showed our certs apart from him. Two weeks ago my friend and I could not make it. Then a few days after the card game they all came down with Covid, turns out the guy that owns the pub got very sick while the rest only had it very mild.
We then found out he had no jab, so I'd say sharing is caring
I'm perfectly happy to tell complete strangers about my medical status. If, by "medical status" you mean one's vaccine status, then I'm not really sure why you think that is such sensitive information that people should *not* disclose it to all and sundry. I'm completely happy to tell the whole world and his dog what covid vaccines I have had. Why are you happy to do this? don't you find it a bit strange! We play cards most Fridays nights, about 12 to 15 on a given night. The guy running the card games (his pub) made a rule you must be vaccinated to play. All of us showed our certs apart from him. Two weeks ago my friend and I could not make it. Then a few days after the card game they all came down with Covid, turns out the guy that owns the pub got very sick while the rest only had it very mild. We then found out he had no jab, so I'd say sharing is caring |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Hubble Bubble on Nov 19, 2021 17:24:21 GMT 1, As far as I'm aware there is no directive to mix the vaccines. The only boosters (here in the UK) offered are Moderna and Pfizer. Both are allocated to vaccination centres based on their (the centres') size and their ability to deal with the slightly different fridge protocols of the different vaccines based on their (the centres') average number of vaccinators and their patient footfall. So it's in the lap of the gods who gets what and there is no directive to, say, give someone Moderna if they had Pfizer for their first two jabs. All have very similar efficacy and Moderna and Pfizer are similar in make up and the way they work. You'll simply get what the centre has and if it's the same as your main jabs, so be it. I'm unaware of any published data indicating that it is more effective to cross vaccinate at booster stage though there is a reasonably based assumption that mixing vaccines won't do any harm and could possibly result in a very small benefit. Certainly that's what we say to folk who worry about not having the same dose they had as their main two jabs. As for side effects, I've heard tons of rumours about what's supposed to be best and what isn't. I can only tell you, hand on heart, that after nearly a year of vaccinating, I see absolutely no difference in the reported prevalence of side effects for one particular jab over another. It really is the luck of the draw, dependent on all sorts of personal factors. (Strangely enough, there is consistent reporting (to me) that side effects are more common with the first AZ dose and not thereafter, as opposed to with the second Pfizer dose and not before). cheers
Doing a quick google search I found this article from The Guardian which I found quite interesting. They cite a couple of research studies. www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/06/mix-and-match-covid-booster-jabs-may-be-offered-in-uk-vaccine-autumn
cheers
HB
As far as I'm aware there is no directive to mix the vaccines. The only boosters (here in the UK) offered are Moderna and Pfizer. Both are allocated to vaccination centres based on their (the centres') size and their ability to deal with the slightly different fridge protocols of the different vaccines based on their (the centres') average number of vaccinators and their patient footfall. So it's in the lap of the gods who gets what and there is no directive to, say, give someone Moderna if they had Pfizer for their first two jabs. All have very similar efficacy and Moderna and Pfizer are similar in make up and the way they work. You'll simply get what the centre has and if it's the same as your main jabs, so be it. I'm unaware of any published data indicating that it is more effective to cross vaccinate at booster stage though there is a reasonably based assumption that mixing vaccines won't do any harm and could possibly result in a very small benefit. Certainly that's what we say to folk who worry about not having the same dose they had as their main two jabs. As for side effects, I've heard tons of rumours about what's supposed to be best and what isn't. I can only tell you, hand on heart, that after nearly a year of vaccinating, I see absolutely no difference in the reported prevalence of side effects for one particular jab over another. It really is the luck of the draw, dependent on all sorts of personal factors. (Strangely enough, there is consistent reporting (to me) that side effects are more common with the first AZ dose and not thereafter, as opposed to with the second Pfizer dose and not before). cheers
Doing a quick google search I found this article from The Guardian which I found quite interesting. They cite a couple of research studies. www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/06/mix-and-match-covid-booster-jabs-may-be-offered-in-uk-vaccine-autumnYep, absolutely agree @mooncub and am aware of these and other studies and tests. Was just (badly) pointing out that there is as yet no official policy of mixing booster vs original jabs and no realtime data stating clear benefits of mixed boosters vs original jabs when weighed up against potential extra side effects (etc) of using different brands. I guess this will begin to emerge. But I wasn't disagreeing with your general point that it's felt that mixing vaccines could bring benefits - albeit slight - compared to problems. My feeling is, though, that the benefits will be so negligible as not to be worth the comparative hassle of ensuring everyone has a different booster to their main jab. Anyway... I guess as so many of us had Oxford AZ then this is happening anyway. cheers HB |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by d.r. perseus on Nov 19, 2021 17:27:28 GMT 1, I stopped reading at "experimental serum". I stopped reading when I saw that the post was from mattmma22.ย Picked up my booster jab this morning. Let's see if I get any side effects in the next hours...
I had a slight fever and felt funny but was good the next day.
As for โexperimental serumsโโฆ.. itโs interesting the watch people have no problem taking them once hospitalized. The luxury of that position stops quickly when death rides on ya.
I stopped reading at "experimental serum". I stopped reading when I saw that the post was from mattmma22.ย Picked up my booster jab this morning. Let's see if I get any side effects in the next hours... I had a slight fever and felt funny but was good the next day. As for โexperimental serumsโโฆ.. itโs interesting the watch people have no problem taking them once hospitalized. The luxury of that position stops quickly when death rides on ya. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by put the kettle on on Nov 19, 2021 17:57:07 GMT 1, I stopped reading when I saw that the post was from mattmma22.ย Picked up my booster jab this morning. Let's see if I get any side effects in the next hours... I had a slight fever and felt funny but was good the next day. As for โexperimental serumsโโฆ.. itโs interesting the watch people have no problem taking them once hospitalized. The luxury of that position stops quickly when death rides on ya.
Death rides on us sooner or later with one thing or another, I say again those that have died are mainly in the over 80s with lots of health conditions, fact. Hospitals are not over run with covid, they have a greater problem with diabetes.
I stopped reading when I saw that the post was from mattmma22.ย Picked up my booster jab this morning. Let's see if I get any side effects in the next hours... I had a slight fever and felt funny but was good the next day. As for โexperimental serumsโโฆ.. itโs interesting the watch people have no problem taking them once hospitalized. The luxury of that position stops quickly when death rides on ya. Death rides on us sooner or later with one thing or another, I say again those that have died are mainly in the over 80s with lots of health conditions, fact. Hospitals are not over run with covid, they have a greater problem with diabetes. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Jules Leotard on Nov 19, 2021 17:59:18 GMT 1, Since when did people feel the need to go online and tell other people who they may or may not know there personal health condition or vaccine status? Strange! Since the late '70's when there were Bulletin Board Services on the early dial-up internet. Long before there were regular forums and a solid decade+ before people started chatting about their art collections online. Actually, 'Street Art' had only been a 'thing' for about a decade back then and no one was really collecting it.
The more you know...
Since when did people feel the need to go online and tell other people who they may or may not know there personal health condition or vaccine status? Strange! Since the late '70's when there were Bulletin Board Services on the early dial-up internet. Long before there were regular forums and a solid decade+ before people started chatting about their art collections online. Actually, 'Street Art' had only been a 'thing' for about a decade back then and no one was really collecting it.
The more you know...
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by WOOF on Nov 19, 2021 18:20:23 GMT 1, I had a slight fever and felt funny but was good the next day. As for โexperimental serumsโโฆ.. itโs interesting the watch people have no problem taking them once hospitalized. The luxury of that position stops quickly when death rides on ya. I say again... (blah blah blah nonsense)
Repeating something doesn't make it true.
I had a slight fever and felt funny but was good the next day. As for โexperimental serumsโโฆ.. itโs interesting the watch people have no problem taking them once hospitalized. The luxury of that position stops quickly when death rides on ya. I say again... (blah blah blah nonsense) Repeating something doesn't make it true. |
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d.r. perseus
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by d.r. perseus on Nov 19, 2021 18:26:31 GMT 1, I had a slight fever and felt funny but was good the next day. As for โexperimental serumsโโฆ.. itโs interesting the watch people have no problem taking them once hospitalized. The luxury of that position stops quickly when death rides on ya. Death rides on us sooner or later with one thing or another, I say again those that have died are mainly in the over 80s with lots of health conditions, fact. Hospitals are not over run with covid, they have a greater problem with diabetes.
We were for multiple months in the couple different hospitals I work. Not anymore.
I also have the pleasure of seeing long haulers and the unique neuro deficits some have acquired with Covid. No thanks.
As for death, again the irony is blathering on about โserumsโ but taking them when the death card is down. Everyone makes calculations everyday leaning towards safely. I doubt you are running red lights all day cause death is coming eventually.
I had a slight fever and felt funny but was good the next day. As for โexperimental serumsโโฆ.. itโs interesting the watch people have no problem taking them once hospitalized. The luxury of that position stops quickly when death rides on ya. Death rides on us sooner or later with one thing or another, I say again those that have died are mainly in the over 80s with lots of health conditions, fact. Hospitals are not over run with covid, they have a greater problem with diabetes. We were for multiple months in the couple different hospitals I work. Not anymore. I also have the pleasure of seeing long haulers and the unique neuro deficits some have acquired with Covid. No thanks. As for death, again the irony is blathering on about โserumsโ but taking them when the death card is down. Everyone makes calculations everyday leaning towards safely. I doubt you are running red lights all day cause death is coming eventually. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Jules Leotard on Nov 19, 2021 18:34:14 GMT 1, so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? I stopped reading at "experimental serum". Am I the only one who, after reading "experimental serum," read the rest of the post in Kirock/ Keyrock's voice (SNL - Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer)? "I am just a caveman, your flying machine frightens me..."
It's science, there is a tidy group of people who understand it well. I don't think you belong to that group.
so my only question is whatโs the limiting factor? ur comfortable about sharing a minor medical procedure like having an experimental serum injected into ur body, great, so how about a colonoscopy? would u share info on that publicly n continuously if it was asked? how about any STD infection results? if u were asked if u had or have ever had, herpes or hepatitis or the hep-vaccine before u sat down in a resultant? blood type? history of family illness? major surgeries or mental illness? I stopped reading at "experimental serum". Am I the only one who, after reading "experimental serum," read the rest of the post in Kirock/ Keyrock's voice (SNL - Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer)? "I am just a caveman, your flying machine frightens me..."
It's science, there is a tidy group of people who understand it well. I don't think you belong to that group. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Viennese on Nov 19, 2021 18:35:58 GMT 1, There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot.
There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Jules Leotard on Nov 19, 2021 18:45:58 GMT 1, Wow. That chart doesn't make the J/J&J vax look good.
Wow. That chart doesn't make the J/J&J vax look good.
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by put the kettle on on Nov 19, 2021 18:59:46 GMT 1, Death rides on us sooner or later with one thing or another, I say again those that have died are mainly in the over 80s with lots of health conditions, fact. Hospitals are not over run with covid, they have a greater problem with diabetes. We were for multiple months in the couple different hospitals I work. Not anymore. I also have the pleasure of seeing long haulers and the unique neuro deficits some have acquired with Covid. No thanks. As for death, again the irony is blathering on about โserumsโ but taking them when the death card is down. Everyone makes calculations everyday leaning towards safely. I doubt you are running red lights all day cause death is coming eventually.
I don't jump red lights all day cause, one I don't drive and the other reason,it would be stupid. Your reasoning seems to be circular. My point is why do people feel the need to tell other of there vaccine status, it's strange don't you think? Why do people do it, Why? I
Death rides on us sooner or later with one thing or another, I say again those that have died are mainly in the over 80s with lots of health conditions, fact. Hospitals are not over run with covid, they have a greater problem with diabetes. We were for multiple months in the couple different hospitals I work. Not anymore. I also have the pleasure of seeing long haulers and the unique neuro deficits some have acquired with Covid. No thanks. As for death, again the irony is blathering on about โserumsโ but taking them when the death card is down. Everyone makes calculations everyday leaning towards safely. I doubt you are running red lights all day cause death is coming eventually. I don't jump red lights all day cause, one I don't drive and the other reason,it would be stupid. Your reasoning seems to be circular. My point is why do people feel the need to tell other of there vaccine status, it's strange don't you think? Why do people do it, Why? I |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by put the kettle on on Nov 19, 2021 19:02:41 GMT 1, There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot.
If you've had covid you probably have better protection than all of these vaccines
There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot. If you've had covid you probably have better protection than all of these vaccines |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Viennese on Nov 19, 2021 19:09:00 GMT 1, Wow.ย That chart doesn't make the J/J&J vax look good.
The good news is that if you boost a J&J shot with a RNA vaccine then the protection is at about the same level as with a booster after the RNA vaccines.
Wow.ย That chart doesn't make the J/J&J vax look good. The good news is that if you boost a J&J shot with a RNA vaccine then the protection is at about the same level as with a booster after the RNA vaccines. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Jules Leotard on Nov 19, 2021 19:18:04 GMT 1, There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot. If you've had covid you probably have better protection than all of these vaccines LOL - Probably. I like to base decisions I make on some random person from the internet saying 'probably'.
How long does that post-Covid infection protection last anyway? Six months, a couple years, or forever? Are you saying that its a better decision to catch COVID and hope you don't wind up in a hospital in order to develop an immune response than to have someone jab a needle in your arm?
I have kids. I like them. I want to watch them grow up, go to college, get married, etc.
There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot. If you've had covid you probably have better protection than all of these vaccines LOL - Probably. I like to base decisions I make on some random person from the internet saying 'probably'.
How long does that post-Covid infection protection last anyway? Six months, a couple years, or forever? Are you saying that its a better decision to catch COVID and hope you don't wind up in a hospital in order to develop an immune response than to have someone jab a needle in your arm?
I have kids. I like them. I want to watch them grow up, go to college, get married, etc.
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Viennese
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Viennese on Nov 19, 2021 19:21:34 GMT 1, There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot. If you've had covid you probably have better protection than all of these vaccines
Studies have shown that the protection from vaccines lasts longer than that from infection. It is also more robust and better protects against the different variants.
If you get vaccinated, your disease progression is proven to be less likely severe and might save your life.
Lastly, if vaccinated you are less likely to infect others and thereby pose a risk to others around you.
There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot. If you've had covid you probably have better protection than all of these vaccines Studies have shown that the protection from vaccines lasts longer than that from infection. It is also more robust and better protects against the different variants. If you get vaccinated, your disease progression is proven to be less likely severe and might save your life. Lastly, if vaccinated you are less likely to infect others and thereby pose a risk to others around you. |
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by Jules Leotard on Nov 19, 2021 19:32:58 GMT 1, There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot.
There are studies that point to a benefit in mixing the vaccines.
Edit: Two Pfizer shots and hoping to get a Moderna shot as soon as I am eligible for a booster shot. Does a version of this chart exist that reflects data the day before the third booster? Is this somehow comparing across the Initial Dose Regime? The Moderna booster after the JJ Initial Regime looks fantastically effective, but if the 'Booster Minus 1 Day' Binding and Neutralizing was almost at 0, whereas the 2x Pfz 'Booster Minus 1 Day' was 3.24, then the body's response post-booster would be the same (i.e. a critical mass response). |
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d.r. perseus
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Covid19 & vaccine chat, by d.r. perseus on Nov 19, 2021 19:38:14 GMT 1, We were for multiple months in the couple different hospitals I work. Not anymore. I also have the pleasure of seeing long haulers and the unique neuro deficits some have acquired with Covid. No thanks. As for death, again the irony is blathering on about โserumsโ but taking them when the death card is down. Everyone makes calculations everyday leaning towards safely. I doubt you are running red lights all day cause death is coming eventually. I don't jump red lights all day cause, one I don't drive and the other reason,it would be stupid. Your reasoning seems to be circular. My point is why do people feel the need to tell other of there vaccine status, it's strange don't you think? Why do people do it, Why? I
On this thread? People are talking about boosters and side effects. If you donโt like it donโt read it.
We were for multiple months in the couple different hospitals I work. Not anymore. I also have the pleasure of seeing long haulers and the unique neuro deficits some have acquired with Covid. No thanks. As for death, again the irony is blathering on about โserumsโ but taking them when the death card is down. Everyone makes calculations everyday leaning towards safely. I doubt you are running red lights all day cause death is coming eventually. I don't jump red lights all day cause, one I don't drive and the other reason,it would be stupid. Your reasoning seems to be circular. My point is why do people feel the need to tell other of there vaccine status, it's strange don't you think? Why do people do it, Why? I On this thread? People are talking about boosters and side effects. If you donโt like it donโt read it. |
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i know a TON of ppl, all double vaccinated, that all agree they will not b getting boosters every year 4 covid, 4 the rest of their lives, which is the plan thatโs blatantly obviousโฆ.
