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Banksy now selling his own street work, by tomcolins on Dec 17, 2021 8:01:37 GMT 1, Banksy will sell jailbreak stencil for ยฃ10m.
www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/12/06/banksy-sells-his-jail-break-stencil-to-save-reading-prison
Now I understand that this is for a good cause, and he made it so he should have the right to sell, if he owns it.
But what about the people who own the property, were he sprayed his other works? They are now the official owners of the work, shouldn't they be entitled to sell theirs?
And what will pest control do? They can't certify this piece for sure, and not the others. That would be unfair, wouldn't it?
Banksy will sell jailbreak stencil for ยฃ10m. www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/12/06/banksy-sells-his-jail-break-stencil-to-save-reading-prisonNow I understand that this is for a good cause, and he made it so he should have the right to sell, if he owns it. But what about the people who own the property, were he sprayed his other works? They are now the official owners of the work, shouldn't they be entitled to sell theirs? And what will pest control do? They can't certify this piece for sure, and not the others. That would be unfair, wouldn't it? |
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by Sebastian Dusseldorf on Dec 17, 2021 8:28:50 GMT 1, What Banksy said: "Oscar Wilde is the patron saint of smashing two contrasting ideas together to create magic. Converting the place that destroyed him into a refuge for art feels so perfect, we have to do it.โ
Selling the artwork of the site (which is being torn down anyway) to raise money to save the site from being developed into flats is very different to cutting out an artwork from a random wall.
I wouldn't be very much surprised if whoever buys the artwork will display it in the new art centre indefinitely, making it the centre piece of the exhibition.
All of it is still part of the stunt. Just as that girl with baloon was converted to love is in the bin.
This has nothing to to with fairness or pest control certificates. This is art.
What Banksy said: "Oscar Wilde is the patron saint of smashing two contrasting ideas together to create magic. Converting the place that destroyed him into a refuge for art feels so perfect, we have to do it.โ
Selling the artwork of the site (which is being torn down anyway) to raise money to save the site from being developed into flats is very different to cutting out an artwork from a random wall.
I wouldn't be very much surprised if whoever buys the artwork will display it in the new art centre indefinitely, making it the centre piece of the exhibition.
All of it is still part of the stunt. Just as that girl with baloon was converted to love is in the bin.
This has nothing to to with fairness or pest control certificates. This is art.
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met
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by met on Dec 17, 2021 8:31:42 GMT 1, Banksy will sell jailbreak stencil for ยฃ10m. www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/12/06/banksy-sells-his-jail-break-stencil-to-save-reading-prisonNow I understand that this is for a good cause, and he made it so he should have the right to sell, if he owns it. But what about the people who own the property, were he sprayed his other works? They are now the official owners of the work, shouldn't they be entitled to sell theirs? And what will pest control do? They can't certify this piece for sure, and not the others. That would be unfair, wouldn't it?
It sounds like there may be a translation or language-comprehension issue here.
You need to distinguish:
(a) the actual stencil (which is going up for sale); from
(b) the stencil painting on Reading Gaol (not for sale).
Banksy will sell jailbreak stencil for ยฃ10m. www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/12/06/banksy-sells-his-jail-break-stencil-to-save-reading-prisonNow I understand that this is for a good cause, and he made it so he should have the right to sell, if he owns it. But what about the people who own the property, were he sprayed his other works? They are now the official owners of the work, shouldn't they be entitled to sell theirs? And what will pest control do? They can't certify this piece for sure, and not the others. That would be unfair, wouldn't it? It sounds like there may be a translation or language-comprehension issue here. You need to distinguish: (a) the actual stencil (which is going up for sale); from (b) the stencil painting on Reading Gaol ( not for sale). |
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by tomcolins on Dec 17, 2021 8:35:11 GMT 1, Thank you. The picture in the art newspaper was misleading
Thank you. The picture in the art newspaper was misleading
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by Peter Bengtsen on Dec 17, 2021 8:37:29 GMT 1, Banksy will sell jailbreak stencil for ยฃ10m. www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/12/06/banksy-sells-his-jail-break-stencil-to-save-reading-prisonNow I understand that this is for a good cause, and he made it so he should have the right to sell, if he owns it. But what about the people who own the property, were he sprayed his other works? They are now the official owners of the work, shouldn't they be entitled to sell theirs? And what will pest control do? They can't certify this piece for sure, and not the others. That would be unfair, wouldn't it?
My understanding is that it is not the stencil painting but the stencil (i.e. the tool with which the stencil painting was made) that is being offered for sale.  EDIT: Ah, I see that met beat me to it.
Banksy will sell jailbreak stencil for ยฃ10m. www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/12/06/banksy-sells-his-jail-break-stencil-to-save-reading-prisonNow I understand that this is for a good cause, and he made it so he should have the right to sell, if he owns it. But what about the people who own the property, were he sprayed his other works? They are now the official owners of the work, shouldn't they be entitled to sell theirs? And what will pest control do? They can't certify this piece for sure, and not the others. That would be unfair, wouldn't it? My understanding is that it is not the stencil painting but the stencil (i.e. the tool with which the stencil painting was made) that is being offered for sale. EDIT: Ah, I see that met beat me to it. |
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by The Rat King on Dec 17, 2021 9:25:18 GMT 1, Banksy will sell jailbreak stencil for ยฃ10m. www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/12/06/banksy-sells-his-jail-break-stencil-to-save-reading-prisonNow I understand that this is for a good cause, and he made it so he should have the right to sell, if he owns it. But what about the people who own the property, were he sprayed his other works? They are now the official owners of the work, shouldn't they be entitled to sell theirs? And what will pest control do? They can't certify this piece for sure, and not the others. That would be unfair, wouldn't it? My understanding is that it is not the stencil painting but the stencil (i.e. the tool with which the stencil painting was made) that is being offered for sale. EDIT: Ah, I see that met beat me to it.
Heโs not cutting these with a craft knife anymore is he
Banksy will sell jailbreak stencil for ยฃ10m. www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/12/06/banksy-sells-his-jail-break-stencil-to-save-reading-prisonNow I understand that this is for a good cause, and he made it so he should have the right to sell, if he owns it. But what about the people who own the property, were he sprayed his other works? They are now the official owners of the work, shouldn't they be entitled to sell theirs? And what will pest control do? They can't certify this piece for sure, and not the others. That would be unfair, wouldn't it? My understanding is that it is not the stencil painting but the stencil (i.e. the tool with which the stencil painting was made) that is being offered for sale. EDIT: Ah, I see that met beat me to it. Heโs not cutting these with a craft knife anymore is he |
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by Carl Cashman Art on Dec 17, 2021 9:30:04 GMT 1,
My understanding is that it is not the stencil painting but the stencil (i.e. the tool with which the stencil painting was made) that is being offered for sale. EDIT: Ah, I see that met beat me to it. Heโs not cutting these with a craft knife anymore is he
He'd have cut that out by hand, far quicker than faffing about with a machine.
My understanding is that it is not the stencil painting but the stencil (i.e. the tool with which the stencil painting was made) that is being offered for sale. EDIT: Ah, I see that met beat me to it. Heโs not cutting these with a craft knife anymore is he He'd have cut that out by hand, far quicker than faffing about with a machine. |
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by kjg on Dec 17, 2021 10:00:41 GMT 1, If you ask me I don't think that the stencil that is displayed is the stencil that was used to spray the piece on the prison wall. But I guess that doesn't matter, because it's more like a symbolic kind of thing. I hope that it raises a lot of money!
If you ask me I don't think that the stencil that is displayed is the stencil that was used to spray the piece on the prison wall. But I guess that doesn't matter, because it's more like a symbolic kind of thing. I hope that it raises a lot of money!
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by kjg on Dec 17, 2021 10:18:30 GMT 1, To show you what I mean: compare the spraypaint on the typewriter on the stencil in the video with the spraypaint on the typewriter on the stencil on the wall.
To show you what I mean: compare the spraypaint on the typewriter on the stencil in the video with the spraypaint on the typewriter on the stencil on the wall. |
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by met on Dec 17, 2021 14:56:16 GMT 1, If you ask me I don't think that the stencil that is displayed is the stencil that was used to spray the piece on the prison wall. But I guess that doesn't matter, because it's more like a symbolic kind of thing. I hope that it raises a lot of money!
To show you what I mean: compare the spraypaint on the typewriter on the stencil in the video with the spraypaint on the typewriter on the stencil on the wall.  
I believe it is the same stencil, and cannot think of a good reason why it wouldn't be.
The spraypaint comparison is a red herring.
As the piece is being sold and the idea is to raise as much money as possible, it will have been resprayed white at the studio afterwards. This, for aesthetic reasons โ to bring back the contrast between the stencil card and its cut-out areas, allowing the image to be properly seen again. Otherwise, the buyer would end up with what would look like black blobs.
Enhancing visual appeal is possibly the same reason why the grey stripes were also added to the stencil, on the prison uniform.
Check out the different sections of paper in your comparison photos, for example to the left of the typewriter, and where those sections meet or overlap. See too the placement of both the duct tape and masking tape. They look either similar or the same to me.
A somewhat comparable presentation was made by Banksy with one of his Flower Thrower stencils at the 2006 Barely Legal show in Los Angeles:
If you ask me I don't think that the stencil that is displayed is the stencil that was used to spray the piece on the prison wall. But I guess that doesn't matter, because it's more like a symbolic kind of thing. I hope that it raises a lot of money! To show you what I mean: compare the spraypaint on the typewriter on the stencil in the video with the spraypaint on the typewriter on the stencil on the wall. I believe it is the same stencil, and cannot think of a good reason why it wouldn't be. The spraypaint comparison is a red herring. As the piece is being sold and the idea is to raise as much money as possible, it will have been resprayed white at the studio afterwards. This, for aesthetic reasons โ to bring back the contrast between the stencil card and its cut-out areas, allowing the image to be properly seen again. Otherwise, the buyer would end up with what would look like black blobs. Enhancing visual appeal is possibly the same reason why the grey stripes were also added to the stencil, on the prison uniform. Check out the different sections of paper in your comparison photos, for example to the left of the typewriter, and where those sections meet or overlap. See too the placement of both the duct tape and masking tape. They look either similar or the same to me. A somewhat comparable presentation was made by Banksy with one of his Flower Thrower stencils at the 2006 Barely Legal show in Los Angeles: |
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by kjg on Dec 17, 2021 15:22:16 GMT 1, Yes, after I posted my pictures I thought of that too!
Although I found a few spots where the tape on the stencil in the video is on another spot than on the exhibited stencil, there could be a totally logical explanation for that too of course.
A nice example of Occamโs razor :-)
Yes, after I posted my pictures I thought of that too!
Although I found a few spots where the tape on the stencil in the video is on another spot than on the exhibited stencil, there could be a totally logical explanation for that too of course.
A nice example of Occamโs razor :-)
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by anodyne13 on Dec 18, 2021 5:45:18 GMT 1, Looks to me it is the same stencil because a lot of the black overspray matches. Seems that is was gone over later with white paint to highlight/contrast the image for artistic effect.
Looks to me it is the same stencil because a lot of the black overspray matches. Seems that is was gone over later with white paint to highlight/contrast the image for artistic effect.
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Banksy now selling his own street work, by vvk on Dec 18, 2021 6:06:18 GMT 1, My understanding is that it is not the stencil painting but the stencil (i.e. the tool with which the stencil painting was made) that is being offered for sale. EDIT: Ah, I see that met beat me to it. Heโs not cutting these with a craft knife anymore is he
Are u suggesting a laser cutter or knife plotter? Are either one of those methods acceptable?
P.s. if I win this auction can I request the. All elusive โ Team roboโ. Tag be added? That would be hot.
My understanding is that it is not the stencil painting but the stencil (i.e. the tool with which the stencil painting was made) that is being offered for sale. EDIT: Ah, I see that met beat me to it. Heโs not cutting these with a craft knife anymore is he Are u suggesting a laser cutter or knife plotter? Are either one of those methods acceptable? P.s. if I win this auction can I request the. All elusive โ Team roboโ. Tag be added? That would be hot. |
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