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Art as an investment , by New Wave Dave on Feb 17, 2022 19:23:30 GMT 1, Noobie here. I'm interested in collecting art that I not only love but is a good investment that I can return for a profit to buy even more art in the future. I originally thought this was only for the elite of the elite that had millions to spend. But jheeez was I wrong. I wanted to ask those out there who buy their pieces of art not only to collect and admire but also as a form of capital appreciation. What factors make you consider a piece of art that you like? Is there anything in particular you look at to consider it as an investment? Any must haves or complete turn offs?
1. Be reluctant to buy from complete unknowns. This sounds dicky but there were tons of stuff coming up in my feed and research that looked awesome but were from new artists with no track record or clear signs of future success. Buy those if you like 'em (and I have and will) and some can moon for sure but it's pretty risky
2. Buy prints at first release that are affordable. Many of the $1k prints available on the secondary market today were released just a few years back at US100-200. If these are from known artists, and their secondary sales are pretty decent, that's a good sign. Look for these affordable releases.
3. As someone mentioned here, think of artists that have some cultural significance. Some of these artists that are getting attention today are derivative of other's works. Sort of carpetbaggers in a way. When they hype dies down, they'll probably be left in the wind.
4. Consider known artists that are having a bit of a lull. This might be controversial but I've seen a few artists that tend to have fallen out of favor and now have what are pretty decent prices. Knowing that some of these artists have been heavily written up in the past tells me that there is a good chance history will remember them. If I look at this and think their art is special in some way, I consider it a bit of an undervalued artist.
5. Lastly, and I'm sure you know this, make sure you love it. If it hits 0, and you love it, the sting isn't so bad (or in many cases, not at all). Even if investment is your goal, art is to be enjoyed and I think you'll find that tends to be the greatest gift at the end of it all.
Again, I'm new to this so take my advice with a boulder of salt!
Noobie here. I'm interested in collecting art that I not only love but is a good investment that I can return for a profit to buy even more art in the future. I originally thought this was only for the elite of the elite that had millions to spend. But jheeez was I wrong. I wanted to ask those out there who buy their pieces of art not only to collect and admire but also as a form of capital appreciation. What factors make you consider a piece of art that you like? Is there anything in particular you look at to consider it as an investment? Any must haves or complete turn offs? I'm kind of new to this as well so here is what I've learned, if investment is really a consideration, and for me it was. Not necessarily getting rich off the stuff but trying to make sure it retains its value. 1 . Be reluctant to buy from complete unknowns. This sounds dicky but there were tons of stuff coming up in my feed and research that looked awesome but were from new artists with no track record or clear signs of future success. Buy those if you like 'em (and I have and will) and some can moon for sure but it's pretty risky 2. Buy prints at first release that are affordable. Many of the $1k prints available on the secondary market today were released just a few years back at US100-200. If these are from known artists, and their secondary sales are pretty decent, that's a good sign. Look for these affordable releases. 3. As someone mentioned here, think of artists that have some cultural significance. Some of these artists that are getting attention today are derivative of other's works. Sort of carpetbaggers in a way. When they hype dies down, they'll probably be left in the wind. 4. Consider known artists that are having a bit of a lull. This might be controversial but I've seen a few artists that tend to have fallen out of favor and now have what are pretty decent prices. Knowing that some of these artists have been heavily written up in the past tells me that there is a good chance history will remember them. If I look at this and think their art is special in some way, I consider it a bit of an undervalued artist. 5. Lastly, and I'm sure you know this, make sure you love it. If it hits 0, and you love it, the sting isn't so bad (or in many cases, not at all). Even if investment is your goal, art is to be enjoyed and I think you'll find that tends to be the greatest gift at the end of it all. Again, I'm new to this so take my advice with a boulder of salt! |
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Art as an investment , by denada on Feb 17, 2022 19:24:29 GMT 1, The first thing I would advise is to put your wallet back in your pocket and study the market.
Visit as many gallery shows / museums / auction house viewings as possible. Build relationships with gallerists and fellow collectors.
Most new collectors try and instantly build a collection and buy a load of tat that they go on to regret.
Generally (for investment) you will have more success buying more expensive blue chip art. It’s also easier to sell as the artist’s resell market is established.
Buying what you like to make money is a huge risk.
Prints and editions from established artists are a much safer bet than original art from a new up and coming artist.
The first thing I would advise is to put your wallet back in your pocket and study the market.
Visit as many gallery shows / museums / auction house viewings as possible. Build relationships with gallerists and fellow collectors.
Most new collectors try and instantly build a collection and buy a load of tat that they go on to regret.
Generally (for investment) you will have more success buying more expensive blue chip art. It’s also easier to sell as the artist’s resell market is established.
Buying what you like to make money is a huge risk.
Prints and editions from established artists are a much safer bet than original art from a new up and coming artist.
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Art as an investment , by dullahmo on Feb 18, 2022 0:59:40 GMT 1, Thank you guys for the above feedback!
I am sticking to prints for the time being. They are cheap and let me buy from multiple artists to diversify as one comment above stated.
I am only buying art that I love but trying to look for art that I love from artists with a track record of a good few years of re-selling on the secondary market for a higher price. Not because I want to flip. But because I see it as a more safer investment. For example, I saw a piece on instagram which was quite nice but artist was completely unknown, few hundred followers only. I figured I could buy a couple of pieces by Cleon Peterson who is a bit more established for the same price so I went ahead with that instead!
I have absolutely jumped the gun a bit and over the last 6 months bought way too many pieces at once. I have a list of a few artists with a good reputation and good secondary resale price so if I ever see a piece from them that I really like, I consider buying it. But I need to be even more selective as space and money is running out!
Also what I`ve really like recently is framing up beautiful pieces of art, and then listing them soon after on the secondary market. I really like the idea of slowly selling a piece and then constantly refreshing it with a new piece so that I always have that "gallery" feeling at home!
Really excited for the journey and to be a member of this forumn! Thank you all for your replies.
Thank you guys for the above feedback!
I am sticking to prints for the time being. They are cheap and let me buy from multiple artists to diversify as one comment above stated.
I am only buying art that I love but trying to look for art that I love from artists with a track record of a good few years of re-selling on the secondary market for a higher price. Not because I want to flip. But because I see it as a more safer investment. For example, I saw a piece on instagram which was quite nice but artist was completely unknown, few hundred followers only. I figured I could buy a couple of pieces by Cleon Peterson who is a bit more established for the same price so I went ahead with that instead!
I have absolutely jumped the gun a bit and over the last 6 months bought way too many pieces at once. I have a list of a few artists with a good reputation and good secondary resale price so if I ever see a piece from them that I really like, I consider buying it. But I need to be even more selective as space and money is running out!
Also what I`ve really like recently is framing up beautiful pieces of art, and then listing them soon after on the secondary market. I really like the idea of slowly selling a piece and then constantly refreshing it with a new piece so that I always have that "gallery" feeling at home!
Really excited for the journey and to be a member of this forumn! Thank you all for your replies.
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Art as an investment , by nobokov on Feb 18, 2022 2:17:03 GMT 1, Thank you guys for the above feedback! I am sticking to prints for the time being. They are cheap and let me buy from multiple artists to diversify as one comment above stated. I am only buying art that I love but trying to look for art that I love from artists with a track record of a good few years of re-selling on the secondary market for a higher price. Not because I want to flip. But because I see it as a more safer investment. For example, I saw a piece on instagram which was quite nice but artist was completely unknown, few hundred followers only. I figured I could buy a couple of pieces by Cleon Peterson who is a bit more established for the same price so I went ahead with that instead! I have absolutely jumped the gun a bit and over the last 6 months bought way too many pieces at once. I have a list of a few artists with a good reputation and good secondary resale price so if I ever see a piece from them that I really like, I consider buying it. But I need to be even more selective as space and money is running out! Also what I`ve really like recently is framing up beautiful pieces of art, and then listing them soon after on the secondary market. I really like the idea of slowly selling a piece and then constantly refreshing it with a new piece so that I always have that "gallery" feeling at home! Really excited for the journey and to be a member of this forumn! Thank you all for your replies.
I think if you're interested in investment Cleons prints are not the way to go. He releases monthly at affordable prices so theres little reason for people to buy secondary. They can just wait for him to release more. Also as great as his work looks on instagram, it doesnt translate in reality. It's flat and dimensionless. Even at a grand scale it doesn't impress because of the flatness. That being said, I still like his work but it will likely not appreciate in value.
Thank you guys for the above feedback! I am sticking to prints for the time being. They are cheap and let me buy from multiple artists to diversify as one comment above stated. I am only buying art that I love but trying to look for art that I love from artists with a track record of a good few years of re-selling on the secondary market for a higher price. Not because I want to flip. But because I see it as a more safer investment. For example, I saw a piece on instagram which was quite nice but artist was completely unknown, few hundred followers only. I figured I could buy a couple of pieces by Cleon Peterson who is a bit more established for the same price so I went ahead with that instead! I have absolutely jumped the gun a bit and over the last 6 months bought way too many pieces at once. I have a list of a few artists with a good reputation and good secondary resale price so if I ever see a piece from them that I really like, I consider buying it. But I need to be even more selective as space and money is running out! Also what I`ve really like recently is framing up beautiful pieces of art, and then listing them soon after on the secondary market. I really like the idea of slowly selling a piece and then constantly refreshing it with a new piece so that I always have that "gallery" feeling at home! Really excited for the journey and to be a member of this forumn! Thank you all for your replies. I think if you're interested in investment Cleons prints are not the way to go. He releases monthly at affordable prices so theres little reason for people to buy secondary. They can just wait for him to release more. Also as great as his work looks on instagram, it doesnt translate in reality. It's flat and dimensionless. Even at a grand scale it doesn't impress because of the flatness. That being said, I still like his work but it will likely not appreciate in value. |
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Art as an investment , by state on Feb 18, 2022 2:37:44 GMT 1, A lot of great advice here.
Just stay away from pages like league oto, no shade but it’s all insider pumps.
A lot of great advice here.
Just stay away from pages like league oto, no shade but it’s all insider pumps.
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Art as an investment , by dullahmo on Feb 18, 2022 8:44:12 GMT 1, Thank you guys for the above feedback! I am sticking to prints for the time being. They are cheap and let me buy from multiple artists to diversify as one comment above stated. I am only buying art that I love but trying to look for art that I love from artists with a track record of a good few years of re-selling on the secondary market for a higher price. Not because I want to flip. But because I see it as a more safer investment. For example, I saw a piece on instagram which was quite nice but artist was completely unknown, few hundred followers only. I figured I could buy a couple of pieces by Cleon Peterson who is a bit more established for the same price so I went ahead with that instead! I have absolutely jumped the gun a bit and over the last 6 months bought way too many pieces at once. I have a list of a few artists with a good reputation and good secondary resale price so if I ever see a piece from them that I really like, I consider buying it. But I need to be even more selective as space and money is running out! Also what I`ve really like recently is framing up beautiful pieces of art, and then listing them soon after on the secondary market. I really like the idea of slowly selling a piece and then constantly refreshing it with a new piece so that I always have that "gallery" feeling at home! Really excited for the journey and to be a member of this forumn! Thank you all for your replies. I think if you're interested in investment Cleons prints are not the way to go. He releases monthly at affordable prices so theres little reason for people to buy secondary. They can just wait for him to release more. Also as great as his work looks on instagram, it doesnt translate in reality. It's flat and dimensionless. Even at a grand scale it doesn't impress because of the flatness. That being said, I still like his work but it will likely not appreciate in value.
Why buy double price when you can wait a few weeks and something just as nice / similar may well pop up!!
Learning everyday. Thank you!
Thank you guys for the above feedback! I am sticking to prints for the time being. They are cheap and let me buy from multiple artists to diversify as one comment above stated. I am only buying art that I love but trying to look for art that I love from artists with a track record of a good few years of re-selling on the secondary market for a higher price. Not because I want to flip. But because I see it as a more safer investment. For example, I saw a piece on instagram which was quite nice but artist was completely unknown, few hundred followers only. I figured I could buy a couple of pieces by Cleon Peterson who is a bit more established for the same price so I went ahead with that instead! I have absolutely jumped the gun a bit and over the last 6 months bought way too many pieces at once. I have a list of a few artists with a good reputation and good secondary resale price so if I ever see a piece from them that I really like, I consider buying it. But I need to be even more selective as space and money is running out! Also what I`ve really like recently is framing up beautiful pieces of art, and then listing them soon after on the secondary market. I really like the idea of slowly selling a piece and then constantly refreshing it with a new piece so that I always have that "gallery" feeling at home! Really excited for the journey and to be a member of this forumn! Thank you all for your replies. I think if you're interested in investment Cleons prints are not the way to go. He releases monthly at affordable prices so theres little reason for people to buy secondary. They can just wait for him to release more. Also as great as his work looks on instagram, it doesnt translate in reality. It's flat and dimensionless. Even at a grand scale it doesn't impress because of the flatness. That being said, I still like his work but it will likely not appreciate in value. Damn, you`re right! Why buy double price when you can wait a few weeks and something just as nice / similar may well pop up!! Learning everyday. Thank you! |
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Art as an investment , by New Wave Dave on Feb 18, 2022 17:17:58 GMT 1, I think if you're interested in investment Cleons prints are not the way to go. He releases monthly at affordable prices so theres little reason for people to buy secondary. They can just wait for him to release more. Also as great as his work looks on instagram, it doesnt translate in reality. It's flat and dimensionless. Even at a grand scale it doesn't impress because of the flatness. That being said, I still like his work but it will likely not appreciate in value. Damn, you`re right! Why buy double price when you can wait a few weeks and something just as nice / similar may well pop up!! Learning everyday. Thank you!
I think if you're interested in investment Cleons prints are not the way to go. He releases monthly at affordable prices so theres little reason for people to buy secondary. They can just wait for him to release more. Also as great as his work looks on instagram, it doesnt translate in reality. It's flat and dimensionless. Even at a grand scale it doesn't impress because of the flatness. That being said, I still like his work but it will likely not appreciate in value. Damn, you`re right! Why buy double price when you can wait a few weeks and something just as nice / similar may well pop up!! Learning everyday. Thank you! I do think Cleon Peterson is not doing himself any service by releasing so often but he does have a decent fan base and a print is not a print is not a print. People will want designs they like, and these could be the older designs, not the latest release, as can be seen on eBays completed sold auctions. I wouldn't call him a high growth investment but at that price, getting 1 or 2 is not a bad idea IMO. |
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Art as an investment , by New Wave Dave on Feb 18, 2022 22:54:51 GMT 1, One other thing. When looking at new, affordable artists, look for ones that are actively trying to promote themselves and get in shows. I see some real talent on IG but you can tell they are just doing it as a hobby. It's gonna take gallery shows and press to bring their prices up. Look for an artist that is demonstrating signs of being ambitious.
One other thing. When looking at new, affordable artists, look for ones that are actively trying to promote themselves and get in shows. I see some real talent on IG but you can tell they are just doing it as a hobby. It's gonna take gallery shows and press to bring their prices up. Look for an artist that is demonstrating signs of being ambitious.
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Art as an investment , by Georgie Poppit on Feb 19, 2022 2:40:42 GMT 1, Only invest in art when you’ve done your own research and homework- don’t trust anyone on here as chances are they have their own motives or they haven’t got a clue what they’re talking about. With all due respect.
Only invest in art when you’ve done your own research and homework- don’t trust anyone on here as chances are they have their own motives or they haven’t got a clue what they’re talking about. With all due respect.
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Art as an investment , by anodyne13 on Feb 19, 2022 2:54:43 GMT 1, Art is not an investment, it’s speculation. Understanding the difference I think is important. If you want to lower your risk, purchase more established names with a history of increased auction house prices, however that will often also limit your upside.
Art is not an investment, it’s speculation. Understanding the difference I think is important. If you want to lower your risk, purchase more established names with a history of increased auction house prices, however that will often also limit your upside.
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Art as an investment , by sandinista on Feb 19, 2022 18:48:09 GMT 1, No one has mentioned the lesser spotted flipper! Short term gain.
Sign up for newsletters etc of the artists you know sell out immediately on a drop and if you get lucky on a raffle you can instantly double/treble your money. No one on here does that though.
No one has mentioned the lesser spotted flipper! Short term gain.
Sign up for newsletters etc of the artists you know sell out immediately on a drop and if you get lucky on a raffle you can instantly double/treble your money. No one on here does that though.
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Art as an investment , by dullahmo on Mar 7, 2022 23:01:42 GMT 1,
For those out there that collect art as an investment.
What have you learnt over the months and years?
What are your tips?
Anything you regret doing?
For those out there that collect art as an investment.
What have you learnt over the months and years?
What are your tips?
Anything you regret doing?
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Art as an investment , by Johnny Sarcasm on Mar 7, 2022 23:08:40 GMT 1, For those out there that collect art as an investment. What have you learnt over the months and years? What are your tips? Anything you regret doing?
Reading this post...
For those out there that collect art as an investment. What have you learnt over the months and years? What are your tips? Anything you regret doing? Reading this post... |
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Art as an investment , by JL Broooks on Mar 7, 2022 23:21:34 GMT 1, It’s like with any profession. In sports they say it takes 10 000 hours of training to become top tier. Art is very much the same. Just don’t read 10 000 hours of UAA 
It’s like with any profession. In sports they say it takes 10 000 hours of training to become top tier. Art is very much the same. Just don’t read 10 000 hours of UAA |
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Art as an investment , by Icesay on Mar 7, 2022 23:30:25 GMT 1, It’s like with any profession. In sports they say it takes 10 000 hours of training to become top tier. Art is very much the same. Just don’t read 10 000 hours of UAA
That only only applies to those with no natural talent.
It’s like with any profession. In sports they say it takes 10 000 hours of training to become top tier. Art is very much the same. Just don’t read 10 000 hours of UAA That only only applies to those with no natural talent. |
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Art as an investment , by dullahmo on Mar 8, 2022 0:03:23 GMT 1, It’s like with any profession. In sports they say it takes 10 000 hours of training to become top tier. Art is very much the same. Just don’t read 10 000 hours of UAA
I hope its not 10,000 purchases *sob*
It’s like with any profession. In sports they say it takes 10 000 hours of training to become top tier. Art is very much the same. Just don’t read 10 000 hours of UAA I hope its not 10,000 purchases *sob* |
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Art as an investment , by Jules Leotard on Mar 8, 2022 2:08:33 GMT 1, It’s like with any profession. In sports they say it takes 10 000 hours of training to become top tier. Art is very much the same. Just don’t read 10 000 hours of UAA  That only only applies to those with no natural talent.
It’s like with any profession. In sports they say it takes 10 000 hours of training to become top tier. Art is very much the same. Just don’t read 10 000 hours of UAA That only only applies to those with no natural talent. No, it doesn't. Regardless of natural/innate/inherent talent, you need 10k hours. You're welcome. |
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Art as an investment , by Jules Leotard on Mar 8, 2022 5:49:42 GMT 1, Great link and read thankyou! All things being equal with semi-normal people, I'll still take the physician who has four years of medical school, four years of residency and a couple years of practice under their belt rather than the first year resident...
Great link and read thankyou! All things being equal with semi-normal people, I'll still take the physician who has four years of medical school, four years of residency and a couple years of practice under their belt rather than the first year resident... |
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Art as an investment , by Jimini Cricket on Mar 8, 2022 5:54:01 GMT 1, For those out there that collect art as an investment. What have you learnt over the months and years? What are your tips? Anything you regret doing?
I've learned that there's a ton of house money to be made.
For those out there that collect art as an investment. What have you learnt over the months and years? What are your tips? Anything you regret doing? I've learned that there's a ton of house money to be made. |
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Art as an investment , by Alfonzo Conzeta on Mar 8, 2022 11:52:58 GMT 1, What have you learnt over the months and years? What are your tips?
What have you learnt over the months and years? What are your tips? don't share your secrets with anyone else! |
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Art as an investment , by aymar75 on Mar 8, 2022 15:43:59 GMT 1, Buy what you like. Be patient. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Buy what you like. Be patient. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
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Art as an investment , by Georgie Poppit on Mar 8, 2022 15:49:39 GMT 1, Definitely don’t ask for tips on here unless your idea of art investment is flipping things straight onto eBay
Definitely don’t ask for tips on here unless your idea of art investment is flipping things straight onto eBay
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Art as an investment , by Jules Leotard on Mar 8, 2022 16:26:36 GMT 1, Definitely don’t ask for tips on here unless your idea of art investment is flipping things straight onto eBay
Definitely don’t ask for tips on here unless your idea of art investment is flipping things straight onto eBay ...and, if you snag a limited release, get your ebay ad posted BEFORE coming here and asking if anyone else got one of the limited releases to share in the joy with you. Post very detailed pictures of how great it looks here to generate FOMO as the first place we all run to look is ebay to buy the item you posted. Then delete your photos here and hope we don't notice that you posted the same photos on ebay. |
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Art as an investment , by Acme Thunderer on Mar 8, 2022 16:39:06 GMT 1, If anyone is buying art to resell, then quote me a realistic price. 😁
Also realise that there are some forum members who pride themselves on a really easy transaction compared with others who may mess you around. Reputation is therefore very important.
If anyone is buying art to resell, then quote me a realistic price. 😁
Also realise that there are some forum members who pride themselves on a really easy transaction compared with others who may mess you around. Reputation is therefore very important.
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Art as an investment , by moron on Mar 8, 2022 17:15:06 GMT 1, For those out there that collect art as an investment. What have you learnt over the months and years? What are your tips? Anything you regret doing?
How to avoid tax and move money from one country to another and how to launder money through art.
For those out there that collect art as an investment. What have you learnt over the months and years? What are your tips? Anything you regret doing? How to avoid tax and move money from one country to another and how to launder money through art. |
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Art as an investment , by Unica on Mar 8, 2022 17:25:05 GMT 1, Buying Banksy and selling Banksy!
Buying Banksy and selling Banksy!
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Art as an investment , by ca on Mar 8, 2022 17:27:18 GMT 1, Focus on posters and plates, you’ll thank me later
Focus on posters and plates, you’ll thank me later
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