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Art as an investment , by Display_arts on May 30, 2023 19:02:19 GMT 1, Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces...
- 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik)
- 3 David Shrigleys
- 3 AiWeiWei
- 3 open Editions of Avant Arte
and some others...
It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector.
I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers.
The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like.
Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces...
- 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik)
- 3 David Shrigleys
- 3 AiWeiWei
- 3 open Editions of Avant Arte
and some others...
It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector.
I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers.
The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like.
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Art as an investment , by Jaylove on May 31, 2023 3:51:05 GMT 1, Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces... - 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik) - 3 David Shrigleys - 3 AiWeiWei - 3 open Editions of Avant Arte and some others... It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector. I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers. The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like.
Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces... - 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik) - 3 David Shrigleys - 3 AiWeiWei - 3 open Editions of Avant Arte and some others... It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector. I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers. The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like. If it's a buyers market, some sellers have not gotten the memo yet. |
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Art as an investment , by drbf on May 31, 2023 4:01:12 GMT 1, Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces... - 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik) - 3 David Shrigleys - 3 AiWeiWei - 3 open Editions of Avant Arte and some others... It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector. I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers. The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like. If it's a buyers market, some sellers have not gotten the memo yet.
Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces... - 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik) - 3 David Shrigleys - 3 AiWeiWei - 3 open Editions of Avant Arte and some others... It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector. I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers. The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like. If it's a buyers market, some sellers have not gotten the memo yet. Give it a few more months! |
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Art as an investment , by ceriseris on May 31, 2023 8:22:05 GMT 1, I have a list of available prints that I want and tend to buy one or two a month. I fund this by selling anything that didn't make the wall.
I got at least 50+ prints I bought over the last 15yrs just sitting in a flat file. I assume this is the case for alot of people on here.
This month I purchased Cinta Vidal and Liqen, my outgoing was a Vhils
I have a list of available prints that I want and tend to buy one or two a month. I fund this by selling anything that didn't make the wall.
I got at least 50+ prints I bought over the last 15yrs just sitting in a flat file. I assume this is the case for alot of people on here.
This month I purchased Cinta Vidal and Liqen, my outgoing was a Vhils
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Art as an investment , by Wanchope on May 31, 2023 9:40:28 GMT 1, Love Cinta and have a few myself. Yes I think a lot of us are similar!
Love Cinta and have a few myself. Yes I think a lot of us are similar!
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Art as an investment , by nobokov on Jun 1, 2023 18:58:01 GMT 1, Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces... - 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik) - 3 David Shrigleys - 3 AiWeiWei - 3 open Editions of Avant Arte and some others... It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector. I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers. The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like.
Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces... - 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik) - 3 David Shrigleys - 3 AiWeiWei - 3 open Editions of Avant Arte and some others... It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector. I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers. The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like. I wouldn't say it's a buyers market. Just looking at all these for sale posts, the prices are ridiculous for prints. I guess that's a consequence of company's jacking up their primary prices to flipper rates, and resellers thinking there's an actual secondary market for those overly expensive prints. |
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Art as an investment , by orchid on Jun 9, 2023 18:29:49 GMT 1, Picked up couple of works at Phillips.. eyeing few bits at Roseberry, Chiswick next. Always satisfying buying in a crisis.
Picked up couple of works at Phillips.. eyeing few bits at Roseberry, Chiswick next. Always satisfying buying in a crisis.
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Art as an investment , by LJCal on Jun 10, 2023 0:44:24 GMT 1, Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces... - 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik) - 3 David Shrigleys - 3 AiWeiWei - 3 open Editions of Avant Arte and some others... It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector. I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers. The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like. If it's a buyers market, some sellers have not gotten the memo yet.
Oh dear yes some people buy...this year more than 10 pieces... - 2 André Butzer (1 still availeble on Schaefer Grafik) - 3 David Shrigleys - 3 AiWeiWei - 3 open Editions of Avant Arte and some others... It´s an absolute buyers market - like always if you are a collector. I think the question that startet this thread is going from a flipper to other flippers. The rest of us will buy if we see something that we like. If it's a buyers market, some sellers have not gotten the memo yet. It's in the post, expedited service |
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Art as an investment , by Wearology on Jun 11, 2023 13:33:40 GMT 1, If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings.
I will go first:
Add:
Kobra
Noir
Os Gemeos
Pejac
STIK
Omit:
Bugs
Dolk
Eine
Parra
Peterson
Banksy (Active)
Buggs (Active)
DFace (Active)
Dolk (Active)
Eine (Active)
Faile (Active)
Fairey (Active)
Hirst (Active)
Invader (Active)
Kaws (Active)
Miller (Active)
Parra (Active)
Peterson (Active)
Whatson (Active)
Basquiat (Deceased)
Haring (Deceased)
Warhol (Deceased)
If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings.
I will go first:
Add:
Kobra
Noir
Os Gemeos
Pejac
STIK
Omit:
Bugs
Dolk
Eine
Parra
Peterson
Banksy (Active)
Buggs (Active)
DFace (Active)
Dolk (Active)
Eine (Active)
Faile (Active)
Fairey (Active)
Hirst (Active)
Invader (Active)
Kaws (Active)
Miller (Active)
Parra (Active)
Peterson (Active)
Whatson (Active)
Basquiat (Deceased)
Haring (Deceased)
Warhol (Deceased)
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Art as an investment , by cryptoowly on Jun 11, 2023 14:20:02 GMT 1, Agree to add NOIR and Stik. Would.keep miss bugs. Incredible works. Maybe add Nick Smith.
Agree to add NOIR and Stik. Would.keep miss bugs. Incredible works. Maybe add Nick Smith.
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Art as an investment , by Damien on Jun 11, 2023 16:00:56 GMT 1, Who's Kobra?
Who's Kobra?
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Art as an investment , by Wearology on Jun 11, 2023 16:43:23 GMT 1, Kobra is a street artist from Brazil that has painted over 3,000 murals on 5 different continents since 1987. He currently paints approximately 25 - 50 large scale murals a year.
Kobra is a street artist from Brazil that has painted over 3,000 murals on 5 different continents since 1987. He currently paints approximately 25 - 50 large scale murals a year.
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Art as an investment , by Damien on Jun 11, 2023 17:21:14 GMT 1, Oh cool, can't see too much online about him.Gonna go and research thanks
Oh cool, can't see too much online about him.Gonna go and research thanks
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Art as an investment , by nobokov on Jun 11, 2023 18:00:25 GMT 1, If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings. I will go first: Add: Kobra Noir Os Gemeos Pejac STIK Omit: Bugs Dolk Eine Parra Peterson Banksy (Active) Buggs (Active) DFace (Active) Dolk (Active) Eine (Active) Faile (Active) Fairey (Active) Hirst (Active) Invader (Active) Kaws (Active) Miller (Active) Parra (Active) Peterson (Active) Whatson (Active) Basquiat (Deceased) Haring (Deceased) Warhol (Deceased)
If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings. I will go first: Add: Kobra Noir Os Gemeos Pejac STIK Omit: Bugs Dolk Eine Parra Peterson Banksy (Active) Buggs (Active) DFace (Active) Dolk (Active) Eine (Active) Faile (Active) Fairey (Active) Hirst (Active) Invader (Active) Kaws (Active) Miller (Active) Parra (Active) Peterson (Active) Whatson (Active) Basquiat (Deceased) Haring (Deceased) Warhol (Deceased) I think it's time to change the title of UAA itself. Street art is irrelevant and confining an art forum to the confines of such a small market is too restricting. |
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Art as an investment , by avec art on Jun 11, 2023 18:07:08 GMT 1, we have a radical in our midst
we have a radical in our midst
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Art as an investment , by Lord Elrond on Jun 14, 2023 16:48:55 GMT 1, If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings. I will go first: Add: Kobra Noir Os Gemeos Pejac STIK Omit: Bugs Dolk Eine Parra Peterson Banksy (Active) Buggs (Active) DFace (Active) Dolk (Active) Eine (Active) Faile (Active) Fairey (Active) Hirst (Active) Invader (Active) Kaws (Active) Miller (Active) Parra (Active) Peterson (Active) Whatson (Active) Basquiat (Deceased) Haring (Deceased) Warhol (Deceased)
This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data.
The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023.
£87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat
£43.1m Andy Warhol
£14.5m Banksy
£8.6m Damien Hirst
£8.5m Keith Haring
£3.6m KAWS
£802k Thierry Noir
£672k STIK
£434k Shepard Fairey
£384k Invader
£377k Harland Miller
£74k Pejac
£25k Cleon Peterson
£16k Martin Watson
£14k Dolk
£11k D*Face
£10k Kobra
£5k Ben Eine
£4k Faile
£1k Parra
£1k Miss Bugs
£0 Os Gemeos*
*This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023!
Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100
If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings. I will go first: Add: Kobra Noir Os Gemeos Pejac STIK Omit: Bugs Dolk Eine Parra Peterson Banksy (Active) Buggs (Active) DFace (Active) Dolk (Active) Eine (Active) Faile (Active) Fairey (Active) Hirst (Active) Invader (Active) Kaws (Active) Miller (Active) Parra (Active) Peterson (Active) Whatson (Active) Basquiat (Deceased) Haring (Deceased) Warhol (Deceased) This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data. The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023. £87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat £43.1m Andy Warhol £14.5m Banksy £8.6m Damien Hirst £8.5m Keith Haring £3.6m KAWS £802k Thierry Noir £672k STIK £434k Shepard Fairey £384k Invader £377k Harland Miller £74k Pejac £25k Cleon Peterson £16k Martin Watson £14k Dolk £11k D*Face £10k Kobra £5k Ben Eine £4k Faile £1k Parra £1k Miss Bugs £0 Os Gemeos* *This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023! Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100 |
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Art as an investment , by Lord Elrond on Jun 14, 2023 16:50:40 GMT 1, I think it's time to change the title of UAA itself. Street art is irrelevant and confining an art forum to the confines of such a small market is too restricting.
Interesting thought. What would your suggestion for a new title be?
I think it's time to change the title of UAA itself. Street art is irrelevant and confining an art forum to the confines of such a small market is too restricting. Interesting thought. What would your suggestion for a new title be? |
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Art as an investment , by kfroms on Jun 14, 2023 17:33:53 GMT 1, Its 2023 and someone still paid 3.6m for a Kaws?
Its 2023 and someone still paid 3.6m for a Kaws?
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Art as an investment , by Lord Elrond on Jun 14, 2023 18:30:27 GMT 1, Its 2023 and someone still paid 3.6m for a Kaws?
The £3.6m figure is the aggregate hammer price of all KAWS lots sold at auction to date in 2023 from publicly available auction data worldwide. The £3.6m figure is not derived from the sale price of an individual KAWS artwork.
Its 2023 and someone still paid 3.6m for a Kaws? The £3.6m figure is the aggregate hammer price of all KAWS lots sold at auction to date in 2023 from publicly available auction data worldwide. The £3.6m figure is not derived from the sale price of an individual KAWS artwork. |
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Art as an investment , by nobokov on Jun 14, 2023 19:52:32 GMT 1, If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings. I will go first: Add: Kobra Noir Os Gemeos Pejac STIK Omit: Bugs Dolk Eine Parra Peterson Banksy (Active) Buggs (Active) DFace (Active) Dolk (Active) Eine (Active) Faile (Active) Fairey (Active) Hirst (Active) Invader (Active) Kaws (Active) Miller (Active) Parra (Active) Peterson (Active) Whatson (Active) Basquiat (Deceased) Haring (Deceased) Warhol (Deceased) This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data. The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023. £87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat £43.1m Andy Warhol £14.5m Banksy £8.6m Damien Hirst £8.5m Keith Haring £3.6m KAWS £802k Thierry Noir £672k STIK £434k Shepard Fairey £384k Invader £377k Harland Miller £74k Pejac £25k Cleon Peterson £16k Martin Watson £14k Dolk £11k D*Face £10k Kobra £5k Ben Eine £4k Faile £1k Parra £1k Miss Bugs £0 Os Gemeos* *This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023! Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100
I always just assumed the names on the top were in some way tied to the holdings of our creator, Silk.
Anyhow, I wonder how this discussion relates to whether anyone is still buying art.
If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings. I will go first: Add: Kobra Noir Os Gemeos Pejac STIK Omit: Bugs Dolk Eine Parra Peterson Banksy (Active) Buggs (Active) DFace (Active) Dolk (Active) Eine (Active) Faile (Active) Fairey (Active) Hirst (Active) Invader (Active) Kaws (Active) Miller (Active) Parra (Active) Peterson (Active) Whatson (Active) Basquiat (Deceased) Haring (Deceased) Warhol (Deceased) This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data. The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023. £87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat £43.1m Andy Warhol £14.5m Banksy £8.6m Damien Hirst £8.5m Keith Haring £3.6m KAWS £802k Thierry Noir £672k STIK £434k Shepard Fairey £384k Invader £377k Harland Miller £74k Pejac £25k Cleon Peterson £16k Martin Watson £14k Dolk £11k D*Face £10k Kobra £5k Ben Eine £4k Faile £1k Parra £1k Miss Bugs £0 Os Gemeos* *This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023! Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100
I always just assumed the names on the top were in some way tied to the holdings of our creator, Silk.
Anyhow, I wonder how this discussion relates to whether anyone is still buying art.
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Art as an investment , by Lord Elrond on Jun 14, 2023 20:06:40 GMT 1, This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data. The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023. £87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat £43.1m Andy Warhol £14.5m Banksy £8.6m Damien Hirst £8.5m Keith Haring £3.6m KAWS £802k Thierry Noir £672k STIK £434k Shepard Fairey £384k Invader £377k Harland Miller £74k Pejac £25k Cleon Peterson £16k Martin Watson £14k Dolk £11k D*Face £10k Kobra £5k Ben Eine £4k Faile £1k Parra £1k Miss Bugs £0 Os Gemeos* *This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023! Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100
I always just assumed the names on the top were in some way tied to the holdings of our creator, Silk.
Anyhow, I wonder how this discussion relates to whether anyone is still buying art.
Dumb question maybe, but does that ranking based on verified sales data not directly reflect what people are buying?
That ranking was simply an attempt to move that particular part of the discussion back towards an empirical market based approach and away from a more abstract discussion around which artists people like or don't like and which artists people believe are simply worthy of promotion or relegation from the masthead on merit alone. Apologies if you believe that was out of turn.
This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data. The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023. £87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat £43.1m Andy Warhol £14.5m Banksy £8.6m Damien Hirst £8.5m Keith Haring £3.6m KAWS £802k Thierry Noir £672k STIK £434k Shepard Fairey £384k Invader £377k Harland Miller £74k Pejac £25k Cleon Peterson £16k Martin Watson £14k Dolk £11k D*Face £10k Kobra £5k Ben Eine £4k Faile £1k Parra £1k Miss Bugs £0 Os Gemeos* *This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023! Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100
I always just assumed the names on the top were in some way tied to the holdings of our creator, Silk.
Anyhow, I wonder how this discussion relates to whether anyone is still buying art.
Dumb question maybe, but does that ranking based on verified sales data not directly reflect what people are buying? That ranking was simply an attempt to move that particular part of the discussion back towards an empirical market based approach and away from a more abstract discussion around which artists people like or don't like and which artists people believe are simply worthy of promotion or relegation from the masthead on merit alone. Apologies if you believe that was out of turn. |
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Art as an investment , by nobokov on Jun 14, 2023 20:12:08 GMT 1,
I always just assumed the names on the top were in some way tied to the holdings of our creator, Silk.
Anyhow, I wonder how this discussion relates to whether anyone is still buying art.
Dumb question maybe, but does that ranking based on verified sales data not directly reflect what people are buying?
I always just assumed the names on the top were in some way tied to the holdings of our creator, Silk.
Anyhow, I wonder how this discussion relates to whether anyone is still buying art.
Dumb question maybe, but does that ranking based on verified sales data not directly reflect what people are buying? Yes your response does discuss what some people are buying. I was speaking more to Wearology's post which threw the discussion off on a separate unrelated tangent. The initial aim of this thread was to see if forum members were still buying art or all trying to liquidate. |
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Art as an investment , by Lord Elrond on Jun 14, 2023 20:13:59 GMT 1, Dumb question maybe, but does that ranking based on verified sales data not directly reflect what people are buying? Yes your response does discuss what some people are buying. I was speaking more to Wearology's post which threw the discussion off on a separate unrelated tangent. The initial aim of this thread was to see if forum members were still buying art or all trying to liquidate.
Reflecting your status as OP, I respectfully defer to your initial aim.
Dumb question maybe, but does that ranking based on verified sales data not directly reflect what people are buying? Yes your response does discuss what some people are buying. I was speaking more to Wearology's post which threw the discussion off on a separate unrelated tangent. The initial aim of this thread was to see if forum members were still buying art or all trying to liquidate. Reflecting your status as OP, I respectfully defer to your initial aim. |
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Art as an investment , by nobokov on Jun 14, 2023 20:20:39 GMT 1, Yes your response does discuss what some people are buying. I was speaking more to Wearology's post which threw the discussion off on a separate unrelated tangent. The initial aim of this thread was to see if forum members were still buying art or all trying to liquidate. Reflecting your status as OP, I respectfully defer to your initial aim.
Yes your response does discuss what some people are buying. I was speaking more to Wearology's post which threw the discussion off on a separate unrelated tangent. The initial aim of this thread was to see if forum members were still buying art or all trying to liquidate. Reflecting your status as OP, I respectfully defer to your initial aim. That's very kind of you. No worries. Organic discussions tend to meander naturally. |
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Art as an investment , by Lord Elrond on Jun 14, 2023 20:25:44 GMT 1, Dumb question maybe, but does that ranking based on verified sales data not directly reflect what people are buying? Yes your response does discuss what some people are buying. I was speaking more to Wearology's post which threw the discussion off on a separate unrelated tangent. The initial aim of this thread was to see if forum members were still buying art or all trying to liquidate.
The data used to create that ranking reflects the global auction market and simply the aggregated values of art that is being 'bought' at auction in 2023.
In your original post when you asked "is anyone still buying art these days?" I interpreted this widely to include all collectors acquiring works from auctions globally and did not restrict it to the subset of forum members only. This is what has led to the slight confusion.
Dumb question maybe, but does that ranking based on verified sales data not directly reflect what people are buying? Yes your response does discuss what some people are buying. I was speaking more to Wearology's post which threw the discussion off on a separate unrelated tangent. The initial aim of this thread was to see if forum members were still buying art or all trying to liquidate. The data used to create that ranking reflects the global auction market and simply the aggregated values of art that is being 'bought' at auction in 2023. In your original post when you asked "is anyone still buying art these days?" I interpreted this widely to include all collectors acquiring works from auctions globally and did not restrict it to the subset of forum members only. This is what has led to the slight confusion. |
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Art as an investment , by Lord Elrond on Jun 14, 2023 20:27:29 GMT 1, Reflecting your status as OP, I respectfully defer to your initial aim. That's very kind of you. No worries. Organic discussions tend to meander naturally.
Thanks too for being so gracious.
Reflecting your status as OP, I respectfully defer to your initial aim. That's very kind of you. No worries. Organic discussions tend to meander naturally. Thanks too for being so gracious. |
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Art as an investment , by Dive Jedi on Jun 14, 2023 20:27:51 GMT 1, I've been buying a LOT less.
Brexit made buying much more expensive, import tax sucks and shipping increased a lot too.
So that's not much fun anymore.
Markets are down, so selling isn't much fun either.
So basicly laying low a bit and only sell once in a while.
I've been buying a LOT less.
Brexit made buying much more expensive, import tax sucks and shipping increased a lot too.
So that's not much fun anymore.
Markets are down, so selling isn't much fun either.
So basicly laying low a bit and only sell once in a while.
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Art as an investment , by Lord Elrond on Jun 14, 2023 20:33:17 GMT 1, While compiling the aggregate global auction sales data for each of the listed artists earlier I did notice that, subject to a couple of exceptions and factoring in the fact that we are as yet are only half way through 2023, the overall sales volumes are lower than in 2021 and 2022. This is of course a rather obvious conclusion but seeing it in the raw data while compiling a list was illuminating.
At this time I am personally cautious but I also believe that there are now many good and unique opportunities out there.
While compiling the aggregate global auction sales data for each of the listed artists earlier I did notice that, subject to a couple of exceptions and factoring in the fact that we are as yet are only half way through 2023, the overall sales volumes are lower than in 2021 and 2022. This is of course a rather obvious conclusion but seeing it in the raw data while compiling a list was illuminating.
At this time I am personally cautious but I also believe that there are now many good and unique opportunities out there.
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Art as an investment , by Lord Elrond on Jul 1, 2023 15:53:56 GMT 1, If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings. I will go first: Add: Kobra Noir Os Gemeos Pejac STIK Omit: Bugs Dolk Eine Parra Peterson Banksy (Active) Buggs (Active) DFace (Active) Dolk (Active) Eine (Active) Faile (Active) Fairey (Active) Hirst (Active) Invader (Active) Kaws (Active) Miller (Active) Parra (Active) Peterson (Active) Whatson (Active) Basquiat (Deceased) Haring (Deceased) Warhol (Deceased) This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data. The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023. £87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat £43.1m Andy Warhol £14.5m Banksy £8.6m Damien Hirst £8.5m Keith Haring £3.6m KAWS £802k Thierry Noir £672k STIK £434k Shepard Fairey £384k Invader £377k Harland Miller £74k Pejac £25k Cleon Peterson £16k Martin Watson £14k Dolk £11k D*Face £10k Kobra £5k Ben Eine £4k Faile £1k Parra £1k Miss Bugs £0 Os Gemeos* *This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023! Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100
I kept my eye on the Os Gemeos painting that I referenced above. The painting was passed at Phillips yesterday. Os Gemeos remain on £0 in 2023.
If you look at the banner on top of this page and see the names of the 17 urban artists that are supposedly the most famous and topical to the Urban Art scene 2006 - 2023, than one could have a better understanding of the rapidly changing urban landscape. Does anyone else besides me think it is time to update this list and make it more relevant to the current urban art movement ? And if you do, who do you think your top 5 should be added and omitted ? Please list them alphabetically, so we don't go off on another topic - like rankings. I will go first: Add: Kobra Noir Os Gemeos Pejac STIK Omit: Bugs Dolk Eine Parra Peterson Banksy (Active) Buggs (Active) DFace (Active) Dolk (Active) Eine (Active) Faile (Active) Fairey (Active) Hirst (Active) Invader (Active) Kaws (Active) Miller (Active) Parra (Active) Peterson (Active) Whatson (Active) Basquiat (Deceased) Haring (Deceased) Warhol (Deceased) This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data. The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023. £87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat £43.1m Andy Warhol £14.5m Banksy £8.6m Damien Hirst £8.5m Keith Haring £3.6m KAWS £802k Thierry Noir £672k STIK £434k Shepard Fairey £384k Invader £377k Harland Miller £74k Pejac £25k Cleon Peterson £16k Martin Watson £14k Dolk £11k D*Face £10k Kobra £5k Ben Eine £4k Faile £1k Parra £1k Miss Bugs £0 Os Gemeos* *This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023! Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100 I kept my eye on the Os Gemeos painting that I referenced above. The painting was passed at Phillips yesterday. Os Gemeos remain on £0 in 2023. |
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Art as an investment , by Wearology on Jul 1, 2023 16:06:23 GMT 1, This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data. The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023. £87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat £43.1m Andy Warhol £14.5m Banksy £8.6m Damien Hirst £8.5m Keith Haring £3.6m KAWS £802k Thierry Noir £672k STIK £434k Shepard Fairey £384k Invader £377k Harland Miller £74k Pejac £25k Cleon Peterson £16k Martin Watson £14k Dolk £11k D*Face £10k Kobra £5k Ben Eine £4k Faile £1k Parra £1k Miss Bugs £0 Os Gemeos* *This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023! Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100 I kept my eye on the Os Gemeos painting that I referenced above. The painting was passed at Phillips yesterday which of means that the Os Gameos market remains at £0 in 2023.
This forum is focussed mainly on the market for artworks and most discussions are around the value of artworks. A better way to categorise this list of artists and the relative importance of each one could be to instead rank the artists according to the size of their public auction markets using publicly available auction data. The adjusted ranking below is based on the aggregate hammer price of all sold lots of each artist in global auctions at the time of writing so far in 2023. £87.2m Jean-Michel Basquiat £43.1m Andy Warhol £14.5m Banksy £8.6m Damien Hirst £8.5m Keith Haring £3.6m KAWS £802k Thierry Noir £672k STIK £434k Shepard Fairey £384k Invader £377k Harland Miller £74k Pejac £25k Cleon Peterson £16k Martin Watson £14k Dolk £11k D*Face £10k Kobra £5k Ben Eine £4k Faile £1k Parra £1k Miss Bugs £0 Os Gemeos* *This large painting (est. £150,000 - 200,000) at auction with Phillips in London in just over two weeks will get the twins comfortably off the mark in 2023! Link:
www.phillips.com/detail/os-gemeos/UK010423/100 I kept my eye on the Os Gemeos painting that I referenced above. The painting was passed at Phillips yesterday which of means that the Os Gameos market remains at £0 in 2023. When Banksy came to NYC in 2013 and wanted to collaborate on large scale original outdoor paintings and the cover of the Village Voice Newspaper with the top urban artists in the world - he chose Os Gemeos for their standing in the urban art movement - not how their secondary market prices have fluctuated through the years - which by the way have reached over $300,000 in 2016 and they are represented by one of the top galleries Lehmann Maupin plus their murals throughout the world are absolutely stunning ! |
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