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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Georgie Poppit on Jun 24, 2023 14:50:49 GMT 1, Prigozhin has already questioned the war in Ukraine so if Putin goes hopefully the appetite for war in Ukraine will also go.
Prigozhin has already questioned the war in Ukraine so if Putin goes hopefully the appetite for war in Ukraine will also go.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by lukas01 on Jun 24, 2023 15:42:13 GMT 1, Prigozhin has already questioned the war in Ukraine so if Putin goes hopefully the appetite for war in Ukraine will also go.
Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end.
Prigozhin has already questioned the war in Ukraine so if Putin goes hopefully the appetite for war in Ukraine will also go. Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by LJCal on Jun 24, 2023 20:01:39 GMT 1, Prigozhin has already questioned the war in Ukraine so if Putin goes hopefully the appetite for war in Ukraine will also go. Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end.
Prigozhin has already questioned the war in Ukraine so if Putin goes hopefully the appetite for war in Ukraine will also go. Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end. Don't be so sure. They said the same thing about Hitler, Mussolini, Sadam, Gaddafi all dictators with supposed iron grips on power. Let's not forget Nicolas the 2nd his family ruled for 300 years. These things can move pretty quickly and all it takes as a few elites to jump ship, civil war can be very unpredictable. I highly doubt Wagner would have made this move without support from others high up. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by LJCal on Jun 24, 2023 20:03:02 GMT 1, That's not to say that Putin falling will improve things either, it could be very dangerous precisely because of how unpredictable it is.
That's not to say that Putin falling will improve things either, it could be very dangerous precisely because of how unpredictable it is.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by gus on Jun 24, 2023 20:03:38 GMT 1, Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end. Don't be so sure. They said the same thing about Hitler, Mussolini, Sadam, Gaddafi all dictators with supposed iron grips on power. Let's not forget Nicolas the 2nd his family ruled for 300 years. These things can move pretty quickly and all it takes as a few elites to jump ship, civil war can be very unpredictable. I highly doubt Wagner would have made this move without support from others high up.
Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end. Don't be so sure. They said the same thing about Hitler, Mussolini, Sadam, Gaddafi all dictators with supposed iron grips on power. Let's not forget Nicolas the 2nd his family ruled for 300 years. These things can move pretty quickly and all it takes as a few elites to jump ship, civil war can be very unpredictable. I highly doubt Wagner would have made this move without support from others high up. yeh, think they had support from Vlad himself lol |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by LJCal on Jun 24, 2023 20:05:02 GMT 1, Don't be so sure. They said the same thing about Hitler, Mussolini, Sadam, Gaddafi all dictators with supposed iron grips on power. Let's not forget Nicolas the 2nd his family ruled for 300 years. These things can move pretty quickly and all it takes as a few elites to jump ship, civil war can be very unpredictable. I highly doubt Wagner would have made this move without support from others high up. yeh, think they had support from Vlad himself lol
Don't be so sure. They said the same thing about Hitler, Mussolini, Sadam, Gaddafi all dictators with supposed iron grips on power. Let's not forget Nicolas the 2nd his family ruled for 300 years. These things can move pretty quickly and all it takes as a few elites to jump ship, civil war can be very unpredictable. I highly doubt Wagner would have made this move without support from others high up. yeh, think they had support from Vlad himself lol haha true, well you let a rabid dog loose don't complain when you get bitten. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Acme Thunderer on Jun 24, 2023 20:08:57 GMT 1, In all seriousness, the best scenario for the entire world is that this is an elaborate ruse so Putin can withdraw and save a little face in his own country. He knows he canโt win anymore so this could be part of an exit plan. ๐ค
In all seriousness, the best scenario for the entire world is that this is an elaborate ruse so Putin can withdraw and save a little face in his own country. He knows he canโt win anymore so this could be part of an exit plan. ๐ค
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by gus on Jun 24, 2023 20:53:49 GMT 1, hypernormalization a good watch btw
hypernormalization a good watch btw
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Londown 01 on Jun 24, 2023 21:08:07 GMT 1, In all seriousness, the best scenario for the entire world is that this is an elaborate ruse so Putin can withdraw and save a little face in his own country. He knows he canโt win anymore so this could be part of an exit plan. ๐ค
Could be - let's hope it is.
Curious to see how he is going to (try to) save face without punishing Wagner/ Prigozhin.
In all seriousness, the best scenario for the entire world is that this is an elaborate ruse so Putin can withdraw and save a little face in his own country. He knows he canโt win anymore so this could be part of an exit plan. ๐ค Could be - let's hope it is. Curious to see how he is going to (try to) save face without punishing Wagner/ Prigozhin. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Jules Leotard on Jun 25, 2023 9:06:36 GMT 1, hypernormalization a good watch btw
hypernormalization a good watch btw where can this be viewed? |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Jules Leotard on Jun 25, 2023 9:10:09 GMT 1, That's not to say that Putin falling will improve things either, it could be very dangerous precisely because of how unpredictable it is.
That's not to say that Putin falling will improve things either, it could be very dangerous precisely because of how unpredictable it is. I agree with this 100%. This is a big problem. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Blue on Jun 25, 2023 10:31:24 GMT 1, hypernormalization a good watch btw
Nice short video here (https://youtu.be/HR6KZPMdWrU) about his take on disinformation and political control in Russia and closer to home.
A lot of his documentaries are available on BBC iPlayer for those in the UK.
hypernormalization a good watch btw Adam Curtis is a leg end. His approach to historical narratives and how they inform the present are second to none. Nice short video here (https://youtu.be/HR6KZPMdWrU) about his take on disinformation and political control in Russia and closer to home. A lot of his documentaries are available on BBC iPlayer for those in the UK. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by its all about me on Jun 25, 2023 11:45:54 GMT 1, In all seriousness, the best scenario for the entire world is that this is an elaborate ruse so Putin can withdraw and save a little face in his own country. He knows he canโt win anymore so this could be part of an exit plan. ๐ค
He needs to invent a new bogeyman for his propaganda machine to drum up hatred towards. He can then imprison (or murder) the leaders of the Wagner group and be seen as the great hero who saved Russia from destruction.
In all seriousness, the best scenario for the entire world is that this is an elaborate ruse so Putin can withdraw and save a little face in his own country. He knows he canโt win anymore so this could be part of an exit plan. ๐ค Or perhaps Putin needs to invent a new enemy for people to hate. His idea of getting rid of all the Nazis in Ukraine doesn't really wash anymore, particularly with all the Russian soldiers coming back home saying what's really happening out there. He needs to invent a new bogeyman for his propaganda machine to drum up hatred towards. He can then imprison (or murder) the leaders of the Wagner group and be seen as the great hero who saved Russia from destruction. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by gus on Jun 25, 2023 11:58:27 GMT 1, hypernormalization a good watch btw where can this be viewed?
hypernormalization a good watch btw where can this be viewed? |
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Georgie Poppit
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Georgie Poppit on Jun 25, 2023 12:41:22 GMT 1, In all seriousness, the best scenario for the entire world is that this is an elaborate ruse so Putin can withdraw and save a little face in his own country. He knows he canโt win anymore so this could be part of an exit plan. ๐ค Or perhaps Putin needs to invent a new enemy for people to hate. His idea of getting rid of all the Nazis in Ukraine doesn't really wash anymore, particularly with all the Russian soldiers coming back home saying what's really happening out there. He needs to invent a new bogeyman for his propaganda machine to drum up hatred towards. He can then imprison (or murder) the leaders of the Wagner group and be seen as the great hero who saved Russia from destruction.
In all seriousness, the best scenario for the entire world is that this is an elaborate ruse so Putin can withdraw and save a little face in his own country. He knows he canโt win anymore so this could be part of an exit plan. ๐ค Or perhaps Putin needs to invent a new enemy for people to hate. His idea of getting rid of all the Nazis in Ukraine doesn't really wash anymore, particularly with all the Russian soldiers coming back home saying what's really happening out there. He needs to invent a new bogeyman for his propaganda machine to drum up hatred towards. He can then imprison (or murder) the leaders of the Wagner group and be seen as the great hero who saved Russia from destruction. Heโs just such a massive bellend |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by LJCal on Jun 26, 2023 0:09:05 GMT 1, I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course.
I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by lukas01 on Jun 26, 2023 0:15:28 GMT 1, I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course.
Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end.
I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course. Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by LJCal on Jun 26, 2023 0:21:13 GMT 1, I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course. Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end.
I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course. Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end. are you a Kremlin bot? Putin's 70, his health is fucked, his country is fucked, his army is fucked and now his authority is fucked, it's the end game. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by gus on Jun 26, 2023 0:29:37 GMT 1, I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course.
except the last part - better the lunatic you know or whatever that saying is
I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course. This take seems deranged except the last part - better the lunatic you know or whatever that saying is |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by gus on Jun 26, 2023 0:30:01 GMT 1, Meant to preface that with โnot a putin botโ ****
Meant to preface that with โnot a putin botโ ****
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by lukas01 on Jun 26, 2023 6:01:24 GMT 1, Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end. are you a Kremlin bot? Putin's 70, his health is fucked, his country is fucked, his army is fucked and now his authority is fucked, it's the end game.
None of that.
I guess I'm just being realistic.
I'm not rooting for anyone... and I just wish the war would end.
Putin is not going anywhereโฆ until the next 30 years. The hope is that the war will end. are you a Kremlin bot? Putin's 70, his health is fucked, his country is fucked, his army is fucked and now his authority is fucked, it's the end game. None of that. I guess I'm just being realistic. I'm not rooting for anyone... and I just wish the war would end. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Pete the Post on Jun 26, 2023 8:02:44 GMT 1, I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course.
I think it's the beginning of the end for Putin, he's clearly very weak and letting Prigozhin go was a bad move and shows this. The only way he could have survived this long term would be to quickly and decisively kill off the rebels, doing a deal shows how scared he was and is a clear sign to would be plotters that he's ripe for the plucking. I give him a year max, but as I said above don't expect a regime change to mean a change for the better for either Russia or the rest of the world. I think Russia still has decades to work through all of its problems and probably a lot of blood to be spilled before it's on the right course. Lol hate to say it, but much as i hate putin and everything about russias actions, he didnt "let Prigozhin go", he just GAVE him a nuclear armed russian sub state on the border of Ukraine. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by slartibartfast on Jun 26, 2023 9:19:35 GMT 1, Oh...erm yeah, your right, didnt think of that...blimey. they inadvertantly tooled him up even more.
Oh...erm yeah, your right, didnt think of that...blimey. they inadvertantly tooled him up even more.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Pete the Post on Jun 26, 2023 9:26:14 GMT 1, Oh...erm yeah, your right, didnt think of that...blimey. they inadvertantly tooled him up even more.
I suspect he has been paid off and pulled back in, not exiled.
Oh...erm yeah, your right, didnt think of that...blimey. they inadvertantly tooled him up even more. I dont think it was any accident somehow. I just suspect what is going on is being misinterpreted. I suspect he has been paid off and pulled back in, not exiled. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by slartibartfast on Jun 26, 2023 9:31:34 GMT 1, Oh...erm yeah, your right, didnt think of that...blimey. they inadvertantly tooled him up even more. I dont think it was any accident somehow. I just suspect what is going on is being misinterpreted. I suspect he has been paid off and pulled back in, not exiled.
Oh...erm yeah, your right, didnt think of that...blimey. they inadvertantly tooled him up even more. I dont think it was any accident somehow. I just suspect what is going on is being misinterpreted. I suspect he has been paid off and pulled back in, not exiled. I have formed a similar opinion myself. I dont think its to much of a stretch to think that is what is happpening. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Pete the Post on Jun 26, 2023 10:10:20 GMT 1, I dont think it was any accident somehow. I just suspect what is going on is being misinterpreted. I suspect he has been paid off and pulled back in, not exiled. I have formed a similar opinion myself. I dont think its to much of a stretch to think that is what is happpening.
I dont think it was any accident somehow. I just suspect what is going on is being misinterpreted. I suspect he has been paid off and pulled back in, not exiled. I have formed a similar opinion myself. I dont think its to much of a stretch to think that is what is happpening. Ah i see, sorry. I am only hearing the theory he is exiled all over the place, so assumed i guess. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Newar on Jun 26, 2023 13:21:38 GMT 1, I have formed a similar opinion myself. I dont think its to much of a stretch to think that is what is happpening. Ah i see, sorry. I am only hearing the theory he is exiled all over the place, so assumed i guess.
I have formed a similar opinion myself. I dont think its to much of a stretch to think that is what is happpening. Ah i see, sorry. I am only hearing the theory he is exiled all over the place, so assumed i guess. a long war (wich was maybe not the first deal) has no benefits for Prigojine and no money to make since his loosing plenty of soldier (his africa campaign is much more profitable) , Loukachenko is Putin right hand man and maybe more dangerous don't really know if it's really a good news |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Pete the Post on Jun 26, 2023 13:41:24 GMT 1, Ah i see, sorry. I am only hearing the theory he is exiled all over the place, so assumed i guess. a long war (wich was maybe not the first deal) has no benefits for Prigojine and no money to make since his loosing plenty of soldier (his africa campaign is much more profitable) , Loukachenko is Putin right hand man and maybe more dangerous don't really know if it's really a good news
But i strongly suspect they are still on the same team. As you point out re Africa, and there are other places too, where prigoshin is putins pet warlord, they are pretty tight.
Ah i see, sorry. I am only hearing the theory he is exiled all over the place, so assumed i guess. a long war (wich was maybe not the first deal) has no benefits for Prigojine and no money to make since his loosing plenty of soldier (his africa campaign is much more profitable) , Loukachenko is Putin right hand man and maybe more dangerous don't really know if it's really a good news None of it is good news. I certainly wasnt meaning to suggest this is good news with Prigoshin, just that i think the plan is bigger than whats playing out here. Lukashenko is on his last legs anyway, and prigoshin is basically a warlord, only one outcome i see, if he waits for lukashenko to die, takes power with him, takes him out, works with or against putin in Ukraine, or if he falls from a window are the wonderments. But i strongly suspect they are still on the same team. As you point out re Africa, and there are other places too, where prigoshin is putins pet warlord, they are pretty tight. |
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Charlie Bronson on Jun 26, 2023 14:49:56 GMT 1, What a strange, unpredictable turn of events the past few days. If Putin does go, the power vacuum that follows wonโt be left for just anyone to decide. With the control of thousands of nuclear weapons and ~ 12% of the worldโs oil at stake, Iโd have to assume that western foreign intelligence groups would play a role and have a hand in the person(s) who replaces Putin. In doing so, perhaps the Russian people who currently live in squalor, as well as the shrinking middle class, will see an improvement in their quality of life. Who knows though๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ.
What a strange, unpredictable turn of events the past few days. If Putin does go, the power vacuum that follows wonโt be left for just anyone to decide. With the control of thousands of nuclear weapons and ~ 12% of the worldโs oil at stake, Iโd have to assume that western foreign intelligence groups would play a role and have a hand in the person(s) who replaces Putin. In doing so, perhaps the Russian people who currently live in squalor, as well as the shrinking middle class, will see an improvement in their quality of life. Who knows though๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ.
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Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine ๐บ๐ฆ, by Jules Leotard on Jun 26, 2023 16:57:06 GMT 1, What a strange, unpredictable turn of events the past few days. If Putin does go, the power vacuum that follows wonโt be left for just anyone to decide. With the control of thousands of nuclear weapons and ~ 12% of the worldโs oil at stake, Iโd have to assume that western foreign intelligence groups would play a role and have a hand in the person(s) who replaces Putin. In doing so, perhaps the Russian people who currently live in squalor, as well as the shrinking middle class, will see an improvement in their quality of life. Who knows though๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ. I could be wrong, but this past weekend doesn't 'smell' right.
What a strange, unpredictable turn of events the past few days. If Putin does go, the power vacuum that follows wonโt be left for just anyone to decide. With the control of thousands of nuclear weapons and ~ 12% of the worldโs oil at stake, Iโd have to assume that western foreign intelligence groups would play a role and have a hand in the person(s) who replaces Putin. In doing so, perhaps the Russian people who currently live in squalor, as well as the shrinking middle class, will see an improvement in their quality of life. Who knows though๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ. I could be wrong, but this past weekend doesn't 'smell' right.
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