Dive Jedi
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Banksy on VeVe, by Dive Jedi on Nov 19, 2022 23:08:56 GMT 1, VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's
Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ".
I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL
Cheers
VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers
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Banksy on VeVe, by eyectopus on Nov 19, 2022 23:19:31 GMT 1, VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers Not as rough a week as Banksy will have between this and Guess. Is it even Brandalism this time as with NFTs it could be some other scammer.
VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers Not as rough a week as Banksy will have between this and Guess. Is it even Brandalism this time as with NFTs it could be some other scammer.
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Banksy on VeVe, by Acme Thunderer on Nov 19, 2022 23:37:42 GMT 1, VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers Do you have any professional or personal links/interests with VeVe (i.e. for personal gain)?
VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers Do you have any professional or personal links/interests with VeVe (i.e. for personal gain)?
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Banksy on VeVe, by Dive Jedi on Nov 20, 2022 13:34:03 GMT 1, VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers Do you have any professional or personal links/interests with VeVe (i.e. for personal gain)? Not sure where you are going with this, but I don't work for VeVe. I do own other NFT's in VeVe, but asking these questions is not making me any new friends over there.....
So if anyhting this is working to the contrary.
The real BAnksy experts like met are here. So I really want to know more about Medicom and Brandalism/Brandalised.
VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers Do you have any professional or personal links/interests with VeVe (i.e. for personal gain)? Not sure where you are going with this, but I don't work for VeVe. I do own other NFT's in VeVe, but asking these questions is not making me any new friends over there..... So if anyhting this is working to the contrary. The real BAnksy experts like met are here. So I really want to know more about Medicom and Brandalism/Brandalised.
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Banksy on VeVe, by Acme Thunderer on Nov 20, 2022 14:06:54 GMT 1, Do you have any professional or personal links/interests with VeVe (i.e. for personal gain)? Not sure where you are going with this, but I don't work for VeVe. I do own other NFT's in VeVe, but asking these questions is not making me any new friends over there..... So if anyhting this is working to the contrary. The real BAnksy experts like met are here. So I really want to know more about Medicom and Brandalism/Brandalised. Iโm sorry, it appears by your response I have touched a nerve, which should make anyone even more suspicious. I was definitely not trying to make friends, but looking out for others who have got themselves burnt by NFT scams.
From my experience, those who try to plug an NFT only do it for personal gain (such as white label or a having inside involvement). At least you have now confirmed you do own other NFTs from this platform.
You donโt need to be an expert to realise that these โBanksyโ (cough cough cough) NFTs are completely unauthorised and anyone should stay 100% clear of them.
I am not questioning the authenticity of the VeVe platform, but I am of the โBanksyโ NFT product.
You donโt need Met to confirm that and I thought you would have enough experience to know that already. ๐
Do you have any professional or personal links/interests with VeVe (i.e. for personal gain)? Not sure where you are going with this, but I don't work for VeVe. I do own other NFT's in VeVe, but asking these questions is not making me any new friends over there..... So if anyhting this is working to the contrary. The real BAnksy experts like met are here. So I really want to know more about Medicom and Brandalism/Brandalised. Iโm sorry, it appears by your response I have touched a nerve, which should make anyone even more suspicious. I was definitely not trying to make friends, but looking out for others who have got themselves burnt by NFT scams. From my experience, those who try to plug an NFT only do it for personal gain (such as white label or a having inside involvement). At least you have now confirmed you do own other NFTs from this platform. You donโt need to be an expert to realise that these โBanksyโ (cough cough cough) NFTs are completely unauthorised and anyone should stay 100% clear of them. I am not questioning the authenticity of the VeVe platform, but I am of the โBanksyโ NFT product. You donโt need Met to confirm that and I thought you would have enough experience to know that already. ๐
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Banksy on VeVe, by Dive Jedi on Nov 20, 2022 14:30:44 GMT 1, Not sure where you are going with this, but I don't work for VeVe. I do own other NFT's in VeVe, but asking these questions is not making me any new friends over there..... So if anyhting this is working to the contrary. The real BAnksy experts like met are here. So I really want to know more about Medicom and Brandalism/Brandalised. Iโm sorry, it appears by your response I have touched a nerve, which should make anyone even more suspicious. I was definitely not trying to make friends, but looking out for others who have got themselves burnt by NFT scams. From my experience, those who try to plug an NFT only do it for personal gain (such as white label or a having inside involvement). At least you have now confirmed you do own other NFTs from this platform. You donโt need to be an expert to realise that these โBanksyโ (cough cough cough) NFTs are completely unauthorised and anyone should stay 100% clear of them. I am not questioning the authenticity of the VeVe platform, but I am of the โBanksyโ NFT product. You donโt need Met to confirm that and I thought you would have enough experience to know that already. ๐ I am asking, because I am explaining thousands of VeVe fans that these are NOT Banksy NFT's. Which they clearly do not want to hear about.
And although I am a big fan of VeVe I am still questioning the company for releasing these. I believe release items without approval of the artist is not a good move.
So I do want to educate myself more then just "I know because I know". I need solid arguments if I want to convince them to move away from this.
Has Banksy ever made a statement about Medicom statues? He clearly does not approve of Brandalised.
Not sure where you are going with this, but I don't work for VeVe. I do own other NFT's in VeVe, but asking these questions is not making me any new friends over there..... So if anyhting this is working to the contrary. The real BAnksy experts like met are here. So I really want to know more about Medicom and Brandalism/Brandalised. Iโm sorry, it appears by your response I have touched a nerve, which should make anyone even more suspicious. I was definitely not trying to make friends, but looking out for others who have got themselves burnt by NFT scams. From my experience, those who try to plug an NFT only do it for personal gain (such as white label or a having inside involvement). At least you have now confirmed you do own other NFTs from this platform. You donโt need to be an expert to realise that these โBanksyโ (cough cough cough) NFTs are completely unauthorised and anyone should stay 100% clear of them. I am not questioning the authenticity of the VeVe platform, but I am of the โBanksyโ NFT product. You donโt need Met to confirm that and I thought you would have enough experience to know that already. ๐ I am asking, because I am explaining thousands of VeVe fans that these are NOT Banksy NFT's. Which they clearly do not want to hear about. And although I am a big fan of VeVe I am still questioning the company for releasing these. I believe release items without approval of the artist is not a good move. So I do want to educate myself more then just "I know because I know". I need solid arguments if I want to convince them to move away from this. Has Banksy ever made a statement about Medicom statues? He clearly does not approve of Brandalised.
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Banksy on VeVe, by Acme Thunderer on Nov 20, 2022 14:42:01 GMT 1, Iโm sorry, it appears by your response I have touched a nerve, which should make anyone even more suspicious. I was definitely not trying to make friends, but looking out for others who have got themselves burnt by NFT scams. From my experience, those who try to plug an NFT only do it for personal gain (such as white label or a having inside involvement). At least you have now confirmed you do own other NFTs from this platform. You donโt need to be an expert to realise that these โBanksyโ (cough cough cough) NFTs are completely unauthorised and anyone should stay 100% clear of them. I am not questioning the authenticity of the VeVe platform, but I am of the โBanksyโ NFT product. You donโt need Met to confirm that and I thought you would have enough experience to know that already. ๐ I am asking, because I am explaining thousands of VeVe fans that these are NOT Banksy NFT's. Which they clearly do not want to hear about. And although I am a big fan of VeVe I am still questioning the company for releasing these. I believe release items without approval of the artist is not a good move. So I do want to educate myself more then just "I know because I know". I need solid arguments if I want to convince them to move away from this. Has Banksy ever made a statement about Medicom statues? He clearly does not approve of Brandalised. Send the VeVe community this link to the Guess x Brandalised debacle. Banksy wonโt normally comment on fakes, but this is on the high street from a global corporate company so is a rare exception (and also linked to his piracy enemy - Brandalised).
urbanartassociation.com/thread/182373/banksy-guess-clothing
Iโm sorry, it appears by your response I have touched a nerve, which should make anyone even more suspicious. I was definitely not trying to make friends, but looking out for others who have got themselves burnt by NFT scams. From my experience, those who try to plug an NFT only do it for personal gain (such as white label or a having inside involvement). At least you have now confirmed you do own other NFTs from this platform. You donโt need to be an expert to realise that these โBanksyโ (cough cough cough) NFTs are completely unauthorised and anyone should stay 100% clear of them. I am not questioning the authenticity of the VeVe platform, but I am of the โBanksyโ NFT product. You donโt need Met to confirm that and I thought you would have enough experience to know that already. ๐ I am asking, because I am explaining thousands of VeVe fans that these are NOT Banksy NFT's. Which they clearly do not want to hear about. And although I am a big fan of VeVe I am still questioning the company for releasing these. I believe release items without approval of the artist is not a good move. So I do want to educate myself more then just "I know because I know". I need solid arguments if I want to convince them to move away from this. Has Banksy ever made a statement about Medicom statues? He clearly does not approve of Brandalised. Send the VeVe community this link to the Guess x Brandalised debacle. Banksy wonโt normally comment on fakes, but this is on the high street from a global corporate company so is a rare exception (and also linked to his piracy enemy - Brandalised). urbanartassociation.com/thread/182373/banksy-guess-clothing
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Banksy on VeVe, by brianb on Nov 20, 2022 14:55:58 GMT 1, To be fair, Brandalism (http://brandalism.ch/brandalism-strike-installation-banksys-dismaland/) is entirely different from Brandalised / Full Colour Black and they apparently worked with Medicom on their Banksy โinspiredโ collectibles (https://hypebeast.com/2015/6/medicom-unveil-brandalism-collaboration-at-annual-exhibition). I doubt however that this NFT has anything to do with Banksy and is instead Medicom allowing an NFT of a product it made
To be fair, Brandalism (http://brandalism.ch/brandalism-strike-installation-banksys-dismaland/) is entirely different from Brandalised / Full Colour Black and they apparently worked with Medicom on their Banksy โinspiredโ collectibles (https://hypebeast.com/2015/6/medicom-unveil-brandalism-collaboration-at-annual-exhibition). I doubt however that this NFT has anything to do with Banksy and is instead Medicom allowing an NFT of a product it made
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Banksy on VeVe, by Dive Jedi on Nov 20, 2022 15:16:46 GMT 1, I am asking, because I am explaining thousands of VeVe fans that these are NOT Banksy NFT's. Which they clearly do not want to hear about. And although I am a big fan of VeVe I am still questioning the company for releasing these. I believe release items without approval of the artist is not a good move. So I do want to educate myself more then just "I know because I know". I need solid arguments if I want to convince them to move away from this. Has Banksy ever made a statement about Medicom statues? He clearly does not approve of Brandalised. Send the VeVe community this link to the Guess x Brandalised debacle. Banksy wonโt normally comment on fakes, but this is on the high street from a global corporate company so is a rare exception (and also linked to his piracy enemy - Brandalised). urbanartassociation.com/thread/182373/banksy-guess-clothing Yes, thank you.
This has been shared within the community, so some people understand.
I want to move the narrative from "OMG, we have Banksy !!" to "Do we really want to steal from an artist and be on BBC doing it".
So the more info I have about Medicom / Brandalism the better.
I'm not shilling this - I am fighting it.
I am asking, because I am explaining thousands of VeVe fans that these are NOT Banksy NFT's. Which they clearly do not want to hear about. And although I am a big fan of VeVe I am still questioning the company for releasing these. I believe release items without approval of the artist is not a good move. So I do want to educate myself more then just "I know because I know". I need solid arguments if I want to convince them to move away from this. Has Banksy ever made a statement about Medicom statues? He clearly does not approve of Brandalised. Send the VeVe community this link to the Guess x Brandalised debacle. Banksy wonโt normally comment on fakes, but this is on the high street from a global corporate company so is a rare exception (and also linked to his piracy enemy - Brandalised). urbanartassociation.com/thread/182373/banksy-guess-clothingYes, thank you. This has been shared within the community, so some people understand. I want to move the narrative from "OMG, we have Banksy !!" to "Do we really want to steal from an artist and be on BBC doing it". So the more info I have about Medicom / Brandalism the better. I'm not shilling this - I am fighting it.
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Banksy on VeVe, by Dive Jedi on Nov 20, 2022 15:22:28 GMT 1, To be fair, Brandalism (http://brandalism.ch/brandalism-strike-installation-banksys-dismaland/) is entirely different from Brandalised / Full Colour Black and they apparently worked with Medicom on their Banksy โinspiredโ collectibles (https://hypebeast.com/2015/6/medicom-unveil-brandalism-collaboration-at-annual-exhibition). I doubt however that this NFT has anything to do with Banksy and is instead Medicom allowing an NFT of a product it made Okay, my bad. Thanks. Brandalism good - Brandalised bad !
Would be weird if Paul Insect , Gee Vaucher or Ron English would be involved in this in a bad way..... Ron English is actually one of the licensed artists on VeVe, so I am very curious about his take on this.....
Brandalised as a name was probably chosen (stolen) from Brandalism to cause more confusion.... (Worked on me....)
To be fair, Brandalism (http://brandalism.ch/brandalism-strike-installation-banksys-dismaland/) is entirely different from Brandalised / Full Colour Black and they apparently worked with Medicom on their Banksy โinspiredโ collectibles (https://hypebeast.com/2015/6/medicom-unveil-brandalism-collaboration-at-annual-exhibition). I doubt however that this NFT has anything to do with Banksy and is instead Medicom allowing an NFT of a product it made Okay, my bad. Thanks. Brandalism good - Brandalised bad ! Would be weird if Paul Insect , Gee Vaucher or Ron English would be involved in this in a bad way..... Ron English is actually one of the licensed artists on VeVe, so I am very curious about his take on this..... Brandalised as a name was probably chosen (stolen) from Brandalism to cause more confusion.... (Worked on me....)
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Banksy on VeVe, by met on Nov 20, 2022 16:14:38 GMT 1,
Please, let us not add to the confusion that already exists.
All of us need to use our brains here, to think things through.
We need to ask ourselves, "What would make sense? What would be logical (as opposed to illogical)?"
1. Brandalism proper, i.e. Brandalism.ch* is an anti-advertising movement.
It is legitimate, with integrity. And its interventions are definitely worth paying attention to.
2. Brandalised is the parasite Full Colour Black.
Moreover, any commercial, mercantile, profit-oriented entity selling Banksy knock-offs under the cynically-appropriated Brandalism name is also Full Colour Black.
Seriously now, does anyone really believe that Brandalism proper (Brandalism.ch) or Banksy himself would ever wish to be associated with any of the Brandalism-Medicom junk below?
Please, let us not add to the confusion that already exists. All of us need to use our brains here, to think things through. We need to ask ourselves, "What would make sense? What would be logical (as opposed to illogical)?"1. Brandalism proper, i.e. Brandalism.ch* is an anti-advertising movement. It is legitimate, with integrity. And its interventions are definitely worth paying attention to. 2. Brandalised is the parasite Full Colour Black. Moreover, any commercial, mercantile, profit-oriented entity selling Ban ksy knock-offs under the cynically-appropriated Brandalism name is also Full Colour Black. Seriously now, does anyone really believe that Brandalism proper (Brandalism.ch) or Ban ksy himself would ever wish to be associated with any of the Brandalism-Medicom junk below?
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Banksy on VeVe, by brianb on Nov 20, 2022 16:19:03 GMT 1, I agree with you on all of that Met. I was just pointing out the distinction between Brandalism and Brandalised given both had been mentioned interchangeably earlier in the thread
I agree with you on all of that Met. I was just pointing out the distinction between Brandalism and Brandalised given both had been mentioned interchangeably earlier in the thread
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Banksy on VeVe, by met on Nov 20, 2022 17:00:10 GMT 1, I agree with you on all of that Met. I was just pointing out the distinction between Brandalism and Brandalised given both had been mentioned interchangeably earlier in the thread
No worries.
What is also most unfortunate and unhelpful is that the actions of Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black have ensured Brandalism โ Brandalism.
One is venal, exploitative, profitmaking.
The other (its namesake forebearer) is the exact opposite.
I agree with you on all of that Met. I was just pointing out the distinction between Brandalism and Brandalised given both had been mentioned interchangeably earlier in the thread No worries. What is also most unfortunate and unhelpful is that the actions of Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black have ensured Brandalism โ Brandalism. One is venal, exploitative, profitmaking. The other (its namesake forebearer) is the exact opposite.
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Banksy on VeVe, by met on Nov 20, 2022 23:58:42 GMT 1, VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers
Dive Jedi
I previously didn't bother commenting on the NFTs, because at the time it seemed unnecessary on this forum, like preaching to the choir.
But in hindsight, that may have been an error on my part.
If you are able to get some Banksy-novice VeVe members to read this thread, I've set out a few thoughts below.
What follows is of course just one person's views and perspective, though I suspect it will in large part be shared by many other informed Banksy enthusiasts.
1. "Banksy" NFTs
Anyone who believes Banksy would have anything to do with NFTs has little knowledge or understanding of how Banksy operates, or where his interests and priorities lie โ as evidenced by the artist's body of work and projects, as well as the causes he openly supports.
That individual would be kidding themselves, simply believing what they want to believe. In other words, they'd be a victim of their own wishful thinking.
Cf. self-delusion, confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, rationalisation.
2. "Banksy" x Brandalism / Brandalised / Full Colour Black Ltd*
Anyone who believes Banksy would have anything to do with the parasite business that is Brandalism / Brandalised / Full Colour Black Ltd (as opposed to Brandalism proper, i.e. Brandalism.ch, the anti-advertising movement) has little knowledge or understanding of how Banksy operates, where his interests and priorities lie, or the litigious history that exists between him and that company.
3. Third-party use of Banksy imagery
Anyone who believes Banksy is, without qualification, okay about people, commercial brands and corporations stealing his imagery, because "Copyright is for losers", is failing to consider the multiple times the artist has made very clear distinctions (on his website and in comments to the press) between:
(i) non-commercial, personal use of his images (advance consent given = fine); and
(ii) unauthorised commercial use of his images (artistic theft = not fine).
4. Banksy's frequent non-enforcement of his IP rights
Anyone who believes that, if Banksy really were bothered about corporations stealing and profiting off of his images (and quite often misleading the public into believing that such commercial use was sanctioned), he would do something to stop it, probably has little or no understanding of:
(i) the artist's desire to remain anonymous;
(ii) the artist's desire to prioritise his profession and quality of life over a myriad of drawn-out legal battles โ the act of creating being a far more fulfilling way to spend one's limited time on earth; and
(iii) intellectual property law, including, in terms of purposes and parameters, the basic but crucial differences between copyright and trademark โ and the requirements that must be satisfied to protect either of these sets of rights (the enforcement of an artist's copyright, for example, being incompatible with the retention of their anonymity).
5. "Banksy" NFT hypesters
Anyone promoting "Banksy" NFTs is quite likely to fall within one of two categories of individuals:
(i) the ignorant; or
(ii) the cynical โ Specifically, those who know the NFTs have nothing to do with Banksy, but are nevertheless looking to push the false narrative of there being some connection with the artist โ presumably to help create a market of fools and dupes, onto which they'll be able to offload at a profit.
CONCLUSION
The sale of "Banksy" NFTs is a car crash waiting to happen: Tears for most; dirty earnings for the corrupt, scamming few.
Yet it is all so foreseeable, so predictable, that it ceases to be interesting.
For spectators, the absence of any potential surprise element means that waiting around for the actual crash itself hardly feels worthwhile. There are better-quality rubbernecking opportunities elsewhere.
VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers Dive JediI previously didn't bother commenting on the NFTs, because at the time it seemed unnecessary on this forum, like preaching to the choir. But in hindsight, that may have been an error on my part. If you are able to get some Ban ksy-novice VeVe members to read this thread, I've set out a few thoughts below. What follows is of course just one person's views and perspective, though I suspect it will in large part be shared by many other informed Ban ksy enthusiasts. 1. "Banksy" NFTsAnyone who believes Ban ksy would have anything to do with NFTs has little knowledge or understanding of how Ban ksy operates, or where his interests and priorities lie โ as evidenced by the artist's body of work and projects, as well as the causes he openly supports. That individual would be kidding themselves, simply believing what they want to believe. In other words, they'd be a victim of their own wishful thinking. Cf. self-delusion, confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, rationalisation. 2. "Banksy" x Brandalism / Brandalised / Full Colour Black Ltd*Anyone who believes Ban ksy would have anything to do with the parasite business that is Brandalism / Brandalised / Full Colour Black Ltd (as opposed to Brandalism proper, i.e. Brandalism.ch, the anti-advertising movement) has little knowledge or understanding of how Ban ksy operates, where his interests and priorities lie, or the litigious history that exists between him and that company. 3. Third-party use of Banksy imageryAnyone who believes Ban ksy is, without qualification, okay about people, commercial brands and corporations stealing his imagery, because "Copyright is for losers", is failing to consider the multiple times the artist has made very clear distinctions (on his website and in comments to the press) between: (i) non-commercial, personal use of his images (advance consent given = fine); and (ii) unauthorised commercial use of his images (artistic theft = not fine). 4. Banksy's frequent non-enforcement of his IP rightsAnyone who believes that, if Ban ksy really were bothered about corporations stealing and profiting off of his images (and quite often misleading the public into believing that such commercial use was sanctioned), he would do something to stop it, probably has little or no understanding of: (i) the artist's desire to remain anonymous; (ii) the artist's desire to prioritise his profession and quality of life over a myriad of drawn-out legal battles โ the act of creating being a far more fulfilling way to spend one's limited time on earth; and (iii) intellectual property law, including, in terms of purposes and parameters, the basic but crucial differences between copyright and trademark โ and the requirements that must be satisfied to protect either of these sets of rights (the enforcement of an artist's copyright, for example, being incompatible with the retention of their anonymity). 5. "Banksy" NFT hypestersAnyone promoting "Ban ksy" NFTs is quite likely to fall within one of two categories of individuals: (i) the ignorant; or (ii) the cynical โ Specifically, those who know the NFTs have nothing to do with Ban ksy, but are nevertheless looking to push the false narrative of there being some connection with the artist โ presumably to help create a market of fools and dupes, onto which they'll be able to offload at a profit. CONCLUSIONThe sale of "Ban ksy" NFTs is a car crash waiting to happen: Tears for most; dirty earnings for the corrupt, scamming few. Yet it is all so foreseeable, so predictable, that it ceases to be interesting. For spectators, the absence of any potential surprise element means that waiting around for the actual crash itself hardly feels worthwhile. There are better-quality rubbernecking opportunities elsewhere.
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Banksy on VeVe, by Dive Jedi on Nov 22, 2022 10:17:06 GMT 1, Thank you, met. You might have noticed I liked all those Tweets as well.
We actually had a fruitful discussion with above mentioned Sam Ellis. It appeared many agreed this was not a direction VeVe should take, but that was 60 people in a virtual room from a community of 500,000 VeVe Fam.
VeVe does listen to their community, so I still have faith we can change their minds and reconsider this. VeVe is all about supporting artists, so going against an artists wishes is not the way to go.
I'll keep you posted.
If you could eloborate why Banksy wouldn't release NFT's on his own. Perhaps if he could find a clever way to deliver his message digitally and raise money for his charities doing so. It's just another way medium for art. NFT's do have the ability to keep generating income for an artist/cause, since you can establish royalties with every sale and resale. Perpetual income for charity.
Thank you, met. You might have noticed I liked all those Tweets as well. We actually had a fruitful discussion with above mentioned Sam Ellis. It appeared many agreed this was not a direction VeVe should take, but that was 60 people in a virtual room from a community of 500,000 VeVe Fam. VeVe does listen to their community, so I still have faith we can change their minds and reconsider this. VeVe is all about supporting artists, so going against an artists wishes is not the way to go. I'll keep you posted. If you could eloborate why Banksy wouldn't release NFT's on his own. Perhaps if he could find a clever way to deliver his message digitally and raise money for his charities doing so. It's just another way medium for art. NFT's do have the ability to keep generating income for an artist/cause, since you can establish royalties with every sale and resale. Perpetual income for charity.
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met
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Banksy on VeVe, by met on Nov 23, 2022 2:04:16 GMT 1, Thank you, met. You might have noticed I liked all those Tweets as well. We actually had a fruitful discussion with above mentioned Sam Ellis. It appeared many agreed this was not a direction VeVe should take, but that was 60 people in a virtual room from a community of 500,000 VeVe Fam. VeVe does listen to their community, so I still have faith we can change their minds and reconsider this. VeVe is all about supporting artists, so going against an artists wishes is not the way to go. I'll keep you posted. If you could eloborate why Banksy wouldn't release NFT's on his own.Perhaps if he could find a clever way to deliver his message digitally and raise money for his charities doing so. It's just another way medium for art. NFT's do have the ability to keep generating income for an artist/cause, since you can establish royalties with every sale and resale. Perpetual income for charity.
A quick acknowledgement of your above request for elaboration.
In my own head, the issue is an obvious one, but a little tricky to articulate in writing. Will give it further thought over the next few days and see if I can express myself with greater precision.
Besides specific examples of Banksy's modus operandi and decision-making, his artistic sensibilities and general countercultural style are relevant here. The latter may be difficult to explain clearly, so I would probably have to rely on analogies by way of illustration.
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In the meantime, some matters for VeVe to consider (partly repetitive of points already raised by @nowaysrx):
1. A key aspect is that Banksy would never have anything to do with Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black Ltd ("FCB"), regardless of the trading name being used or hidden behind โ whether it's the stolen "Brandalism" moniker, the modified "Brandalised" name, or whatnot.
2. Following naturally from point 1 are questions for the decision-makers at VeVe:
(i) Do they want to use Banksy imagery against the artist's wishes? From a corporate-policy and personal-ethics standpoint, are they comfortable with upsetting the artist and possibly infringing his intellectual property rights (regardless of the fact he may, for a variety of reasons, choose not to enforce his rights)?
In other words, are the decision-makers at VeVe okay with screwing over an artist, one whose work they are presumably fans of? And perhaps more importantly, are they okay with being seen to be screwing over an artist?
Is this a line they really want to cross, a precedent they wish to set for their company and for themselves as private individuals?
(ii) Morality aside, from a strictly business perspective, would the immediate financial gain and momentum generated by a faux-Banksy NFT be worth what may become a longer-term, reputational stain for VeVe โ including from the potential fall-out, both among members of the wider artistic community (plenty with whom VeVe may seek to enter into future collaborations) and among the general public?
(iii) If all the answers to the questions in (i) and (ii) above are "Yes!", that would be unfortunate. But then what exactly would FCB / Brandalism / Brandalised be bringing to the table?
Commercially or legally, why would VeVe even need to partner itself with FCB?
Andrew Gallagher, owner of FCB, came into possession of images by Banksy, Photoshopped versions of which Gallagher now sells to hoodwinked businesses for substantial sums of cash, by downloading / stealing the images from publicly-accessible online sources. Google Images was his best friend.
So why would VeVe bother paying FCB for Banksy images under some random licensing agreement?
If VeVe is cool about becoming an intellectual property thief, it could just go online and steal similar or even better Banksy images directly, including from Banksy's own website.
Under such circumstances, Full Colour Black Ltd becomes a redundant business partner โ an unnecessary intermediary in the IP-appropriation dishonesty, and a genuine waste of VeVe's money.
Thank you, met. You might have noticed I liked all those Tweets as well. We actually had a fruitful discussion with above mentioned Sam Ellis. It appeared many agreed this was not a direction VeVe should take, but that was 60 people in a virtual room from a community of 500,000 VeVe Fam. VeVe does listen to their community, so I still have faith we can change their minds and reconsider this. VeVe is all about supporting artists, so going against an artists wishes is not the way to go. I'll keep you posted. If you could eloborate why Banksy wouldn't release NFT's on his own.Perhaps if he could find a clever way to deliver his message digitally and raise money for his charities doing so. It's just another way medium for art. NFT's do have the ability to keep generating income for an artist/cause, since you can establish royalties with every sale and resale. Perpetual income for charity. A quick acknowledgement of your above request for elaboration. In my own head, the issue is an obvious one, but a little tricky to articulate in writing. Will give it further thought over the next few days and see if I can express myself with greater precision. Besides specific examples of Ban ksy's modus operandi and decision-making, his artistic sensibilities and general countercultural style are relevant here. The latter may be difficult to explain clearly, so I would probably have to rely on analogies by way of illustration. __________ In the meantime, some matters for VeVe to consider (partly repetitive of points already raised by @nowaysrx): 1. A key aspect is that Ban ksy would never have anything to do with Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black Ltd (" FCB"), regardless of the trading name being used or hidden behind โ whether it's the stolen "Brandalism" moniker, the modified "Brandalised" name, or whatnot. 2. Following naturally from point 1 are questions for the decision-makers at VeVe: (i) Do they want to use Ban ksy imagery against the artist's wishes? From a corporate-policy and personal-ethics standpoint, are they comfortable with upsetting the artist and possibly infringing his intellectual property rights (regardless of the fact he may, for a variety of reasons, choose not to enforce his rights)? In other words, are the decision-makers at VeVe okay with screwing over an artist, one whose work they are presumably fans of? And perhaps more importantly, are they okay with being seen to be screwing over an artist? Is this a line they really want to cross, a precedent they wish to set for their company and for themselves as private individuals? (ii) Morality aside, from a strictly business perspective, would the immediate financial gain and momentum generated by a faux-Banksy NFT be worth what may become a longer-term, reputational stain for VeVe โ including from the potential fall-out, both among members of the wider artistic community (plenty with whom VeVe may seek to enter into future collaborations) and among the general public? (iii) If all the answers to the questions in (i) and (ii) above are "Yes!", that would be unfortunate. But then what exactly would FCB / Brandalism / Brandalised be bringing to the table? Commercially or legally, why would VeVe even need to partner itself with FCB? Andrew Gallagher, owner of FCB, came into possession of images by Ban ksy, Photoshopped versions of which Gallagher now sells to hoodwinked businesses for substantial sums of cash, by downloading / stealing the images from publicly-accessible online sources. Google Images was his best friend. So why would VeVe bother paying FCB for Ban ksy images under some random licensing agreement? If VeVe is cool about becoming an intellectual property thief, it could just go online and steal similar or even better Ban ksy images directly, including from Ban ksy's own website. Under such circumstances, Full Colour Black Ltd becomes a redundant business partner โ an unnecessary intermediary in the IP-appropriation dishonesty, and a genuine waste of VeVe's money.
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Banksy on VeVe, by nottyplay1 on Nov 23, 2022 2:45:26 GMT 1,
Bottom line is people will believe what they want and do what they want , it is only until rugs are pulled that lessons are learned.
Bottom line is people will believe what they want and do what they want , it is only until rugs are pulled that lessons are learned.
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Banksy on VeVe, by Dive Jedi on Nov 24, 2022 12:41:44 GMT 1, Thanks again, met
I have forwarded your messages and hope it will reach the CEO of VeVe.
I truly hope they will reconsider and continue with what VeVe stands for : Supporting artists.
Thanks again, metI have forwarded your messages and hope it will reach the CEO of VeVe. I truly hope they will reconsider and continue with what VeVe stands for : Supporting artists.
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Banksy on VeVe, by Daniel Silk on Nov 25, 2022 5:04:38 GMT 1, What next from Brandalised? So many companies joining their licensing of Banksy images ๐ณ where will it end up? Next we will see a range of Brandalised Banksy gifts at Tesco's
https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClN_KepsQM-
What next from Brandalised? So many companies joining their licensing of Banksy images ๐ณ where will it end up? Next we will see a range of Brandalised Banksy gifts at Tesco's https://www.instagram.com/reel/ClN_KepsQM-
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