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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by 551200 on Sept 15, 2008 16:45:49 GMT 1, Well, you could equally ask why people would feel the need to write on a street wall, or deface an advertising billboard, or even take things further in some protest situations and throw petrol bombs? etc. Obviously they felt strongly enough about the point they wanted to make, and were prepared to go to those lengths to express themselves.
They paint on the street all the time anyway, but in order to specifically protest about the creation of an elitest corporate art-world style hierarchy within graffiti/street art, then the gallery system would naturally be one of their targets as it's the most public manifestation of that development. It's unfortunate that other artist's work got damaged, but sometimes you have to look at things in a larger context.
Well, you could equally ask why people would feel the need to write on a street wall, or deface an advertising billboard, or even take things further in some protest situations and throw petrol bombs? etc. Obviously they felt strongly enough about the point they wanted to make, and were prepared to go to those lengths to express themselves.
They paint on the street all the time anyway, but in order to specifically protest about the creation of an elitest corporate art-world style hierarchy within graffiti/street art, then the gallery system would naturally be one of their targets as it's the most public manifestation of that development. It's unfortunate that other artist's work got damaged, but sometimes you have to look at things in a larger context.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Prescription Art on Sept 15, 2008 16:54:50 GMT 1,
I believe (i'm no expert on Braziliian grafiiti) that Pixadores are essentially taggers, but there's a style to their writing that's very particular to Brazil. The lettering is usually a bit like this
I believe (i'm no expert on Braziliian grafiiti) that Pixadores are essentially taggers, but there's a style to their writing that's very particular to Brazil. The lettering is usually a bit like this |
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Daniel Silk on Sept 15, 2008 16:57:19 GMT 1, They paint on the street all the time anyway, but in order to specifically protest about the creation of an elitest corporate art-world style hierarchy within graffiti/street art, then the gallery system would naturally be one of their targets as it's the most public manifestation of that development. It's unfortunate that other artist's work got damaged, but sometimes you have to look at things in a larger context.
Where is this "elitest corporate art-world style hierarchy within graffiti/street art" thing going on?  Are they saying they want to be part of it? if it even exists 
I just don't get what message they are trying to say and to who?
They paint on the street all the time anyway, but in order to specifically protest about the creation of an elitest corporate art-world style hierarchy within graffiti/street art, then the gallery system would naturally be one of their targets as it's the most public manifestation of that development. It's unfortunate that other artist's work got damaged, but sometimes you have to look at things in a larger context. Where is this "elitest corporate art-world style hierarchy within graffiti/street art" thing going on? Are they saying they want to be part of it? if it even exists I just don't get what message they are trying to say and to who? |
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by 551200 on Sept 15, 2008 17:18:24 GMT 1, Well, I don't want to get into naming specific people, but I think most people here have an idea of what is authentic and what is being done just for money. So let's just describe it as wealthy capitalists taking street culture, sanitising it, calling it their own and marketing it for their own greed. It's been going on since Elvis ripped off black people's music and presented it as rock 'n' roll, and probably long before that too. Otherwise known as cultural imperialism.
Well, I don't want to get into naming specific people, but I think most people here have an idea of what is authentic and what is being done just for money. So let's just describe it as wealthy capitalists taking street culture, sanitising it, calling it their own and marketing it for their own greed. It's been going on since Elvis ripped off black people's music and presented it as rock 'n' roll, and probably long before that too. Otherwise known as cultural imperialism.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Daniel Silk on Sept 15, 2008 17:24:15 GMT 1, Well, I don't want to get into naming specific people, but I think most people here have an idea of what is authentic and what is being done just for money. So let's just describe it as wealthy capitalists taking street culture, sanitising it, calling it their own and marketing it for their own greed. It's been going on since Elvis ripped off black people's music and presented it as rock 'n' roll, and probably long before that too. Otherwise known as cultural imperialism.
So are they saying some artists have used their pixadore style?
Its just to me it looks like their scene has very little to do with the thing Choque Cultural are involved in
Sorry Im just confused by the whole thing.
Well, I don't want to get into naming specific people, but I think most people here have an idea of what is authentic and what is being done just for money. So let's just describe it as wealthy capitalists taking street culture, sanitising it, calling it their own and marketing it for their own greed. It's been going on since Elvis ripped off black people's music and presented it as rock 'n' roll, and probably long before that too. Otherwise known as cultural imperialism. So are they saying some artists have used their pixadore style? Its just to me it looks like their scene has very little to do with the thing Choque Cultural are involved in Sorry Im just confused by the whole thing. |
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by 551200 on Sept 15, 2008 17:44:49 GMT 1, From what I can gather from stuff I've seen online, which mostly in Portuguese, I think they are trying to address a larger issue than anything to do with their individual writing style. More of an unease about the increasing commercialisation of street art in general on a global level, amongst other things. There are also many other artists worldwide who share similar concerns. The Pixadores appear to have a more sophisticated political philosophy than you might initially think, but I can't speak for them. I've only been giving my personal view on what happened and how it resonates with me.
From what I can gather from stuff I've seen online, which mostly in Portuguese, I think they are trying to address a larger issue than anything to do with their individual writing style. More of an unease about the increasing commercialisation of street art in general on a global level, amongst other things. There are also many other artists worldwide who share similar concerns. The Pixadores appear to have a more sophisticated political philosophy than you might initially think, but I can't speak for them. I've only been giving my personal view on what happened and how it resonates with me.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by gozgoz on Sept 15, 2008 17:51:33 GMT 1, yeah im totally confused by it as well.
and whatever your cause/protest is, im sorry but the means clearly dont fit the end because
(1) no one seems to get it;
(2) u are coming across as a bunch of childish punks who think you are being so cool by being all anti-establishment/anti-macdonalds/anti-starbucks/anti-[insert capitalist icon]... so cool that you take photos of yourselves doing the random act of violence. If this was a real cause, there wouldnt be need for people to commit the act and then pose cool photos of themselves doing the act.
yeah im totally confused by it as well.
and whatever your cause/protest is, im sorry but the means clearly dont fit the end because
(1) no one seems to get it;
(2) u are coming across as a bunch of childish punks who think you are being so cool by being all anti-establishment/anti-macdonalds/anti-starbucks/anti-[insert capitalist icon]... so cool that you take photos of yourselves doing the random act of violence. If this was a real cause, there wouldnt be need for people to commit the act and then pose cool photos of themselves doing the act.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by 551200 on Sept 15, 2008 18:14:20 GMT 1, Well, they explained it their reasons for it in quite straightforward terms, but I would suggest that if you still don't understand it, then you could always try doing some research into the issues involved in order to find out more and educate yourself. That's normally what I do if I lack information about something.
I don't think the pictures were posed at all, but instead taken as a photo-journalistic record of the event, so that people world-wide could see what really happened. Which is also a useful defence if people are liable to try to smear you with allegations of violence etc.
Well, they explained it their reasons for it in quite straightforward terms, but I would suggest that if you still don't understand it, then you could always try doing some research into the issues involved in order to find out more and educate yourself. That's normally what I do if I lack information about something.
I don't think the pictures were posed at all, but instead taken as a photo-journalistic record of the event, so that people world-wide could see what really happened. Which is also a useful defence if people are liable to try to smear you with allegations of violence etc.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by nacional on Sept 15, 2008 18:26:55 GMT 1, A bit naive of 551200 to think it is some kind of anti-capitalist statement. It is not. It is a group of guys from the favelas who are trying to get some attention through this act and thus, yes, you guessed it, get their stuff a higher profile so they can market it and sell it to a wider audience in the exact same type of gallery they trashed.
They are not anarchists and without disrespecting them, I doubt if they are aware of what it means. They are just guys living in extreme, almost unimaginable poverty and violence who are looking for a way out.
This stunt, and it is nothing but a stunt, may just provide a way out of these conditions, nothing more, nothing less.
How do I know, I've lived in this city, and although not in the favelas, know how things are there.
A bit naive of 551200 to think it is some kind of anti-capitalist statement. It is not. It is a group of guys from the favelas who are trying to get some attention through this act and thus, yes, you guessed it, get their stuff a higher profile so they can market it and sell it to a wider audience in the exact same type of gallery they trashed.
They are not anarchists and without disrespecting them, I doubt if they are aware of what it means. They are just guys living in extreme, almost unimaginable poverty and violence who are looking for a way out.
This stunt, and it is nothing but a stunt, may just provide a way out of these conditions, nothing more, nothing less.
How do I know, I've lived in this city, and although not in the favelas, know how things are there.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by nacional on Sept 15, 2008 18:29:34 GMT 1, And the violence, or threat of it is also very real. If guys like this come storming into your place of work, you can count yourself very lucky not to be maimed, stabbed, or killed....
Note, I did not say these guys, but guys like this. Do not romanticise it please......
And the violence, or threat of it is also very real. If guys like this come storming into your place of work, you can count yourself very lucky not to be maimed, stabbed, or killed....
Note, I did not say these guys, but guys like this. Do not romanticise it please......
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by 551200 on Sept 15, 2008 19:06:17 GMT 1, I'm afraid you're wrong. They have a manifesto and a philosophy behind what they do. You're just stereotyping them. Which is an unpleasant way to approach the subject. There were women in their group too and their was no violence or any threat of it, so that's ridiculous scaremongering. Seems like some people on here are happy to buy into this culture on a superficial level, as long as they can experience it in the nice safe surroundings of a gallery. But when things become a little bit too 'street' or real for them, they suddenly become very nervous and all of their nasty little prejudices begin to come to the surface
But anyway, I'm bored with this discussion because it seems that most people here haven't even bothered to find out about either the issues involved or what really happened. Un-informed debate is pointless really. So I'm out.
I'm afraid you're wrong. They have a manifesto and a philosophy behind what they do. You're just stereotyping them. Which is an unpleasant way to approach the subject. There were women in their group too and their was no violence or any threat of it, so that's ridiculous scaremongering. Seems like some people on here are happy to buy into this culture on a superficial level, as long as they can experience it in the nice safe surroundings of a gallery. But when things become a little bit too 'street' or real for them, they suddenly become very nervous and all of their nasty little prejudices begin to come to the surface
But anyway, I'm bored with this discussion because it seems that most people here haven't even bothered to find out about either the issues involved or what really happened. Un-informed debate is pointless really. So I'm out.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by nacional on Sept 15, 2008 19:24:08 GMT 1, Oh no, 551200, you can't back out like a coward after making a statement like that. Stick to what you have to say and back it up or don't kick off in the first place.
In reply, having a manifesto does not a political movement make. The manifesto of this group of people is very plain and simple: do art to make money to get out of their current situation of poverty. Anything else is western first world romaticising third world poverty.
In a nutshell, they are after what everyone else is: making a buck...........to pretend otherwise is ignorance and naivity...
As a point of interest, from what position of knowledge are you speaking? ? Personal experience, etc?
Oh no, 551200, you can't back out like a coward after making a statement like that. Stick to what you have to say and back it up or don't kick off in the first place. In reply, having a manifesto does not a political movement make. The manifesto of this group of people is very plain and simple: do art to make money to get out of their current situation of poverty. Anything else is western first world romaticising third world poverty. In a nutshell, they are after what everyone else is: making a buck...........to pretend otherwise is ignorance and naivity... As a point of interest, from what position of knowledge are you speaking? ? Personal experience, etc? |
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by nacional on Sept 15, 2008 19:38:12 GMT 1, So, 551200, it seems you lack the huevos to back up what you say: reply man....
So, 551200, it seems you lack the huevos to back up what you say: reply man....
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Francis on Sept 15, 2008 20:17:01 GMT 1, nacional...what do you expect him to say exactly? How is he going to change your mind?
nacional...what do you expect him to say exactly? How is he going to change your mind?
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Daniel Silk on Sept 15, 2008 20:26:02 GMT 1, "if they cant have it - then they dont want anyone else to !!"
Bang on! SPQR  well said.
"if they cant have it - then they dont want anyone else to !!" Bang on! SPQR well said. |
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by nacional on Sept 15, 2008 21:21:08 GMT 1, Hi Francis
What I would like him to do is engage in a debate and support his opinions that he (presuming it is a he) so forcefully proposes. I don't think it is OK to so catagorically state what he takes as being an absolute truth, with no two-ways about it, and then sign off with a denoument that in effect is dismissing the validity of anyone elses opinions.
And more to the point, he is SO wrong in what he is saying!!!!!!
Hi Francis
What I would like him to do is engage in a debate and support his opinions that he (presuming it is a he) so forcefully proposes. I don't think it is OK to so catagorically state what he takes as being an absolute truth, with no two-ways about it, and then sign off with a denoument that in effect is dismissing the validity of anyone elses opinions.
And more to the point, he is SO wrong in what he is saying!!!!!!
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by sfdoddsy on Sept 16, 2008 2:39:33 GMT 1, It's not that the bourgeois have appropriated 'street' culture. It's more that certain individuals have risen above mindless tagging and playing wannabe gangsters to become truer artists. And that's what's attracting interest.
You'll note that the artists attracting the most interest are generally the ones who move beyond the graff/tagging norms - Banksy, Faile, Bast, Neate, Micallef etc etc.
It's not that the bourgeois have appropriated 'street' culture. It's more that certain individuals have risen above mindless tagging and playing wannabe gangsters to become truer artists. And that's what's attracting interest.
You'll note that the artists attracting the most interest are generally the ones who move beyond the graff/tagging norms - Banksy, Faile, Bast, Neate, Micallef etc etc.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Trismanco on Sept 16, 2008 9:12:16 GMT 1, This is one of those stories that is difficult to research or understand just by reading what’s on the Internet. I’ve known Choque Cultural since before it was a gallery, five years ago, I’ve been going back every year since. It started out as a tattoo shop and with many artists from tattoo and graffiti hanging out there every day the idea came to do some screen prints with some of the artists they knew.
Every weekend it became a hangout for graffiti artists and street artists, who met and painted the walls inside. After a while some of the artists suggested doing shows – the first one being of prints and gradually it became a gallery. In five years they have evolved to the level it is now and lots of artists have benefited by having their first shows of paintings. The Brazilian scene is well known for the talent that has come out of it – Vitche, Herbert, Nunca, Titifreak, Tinho, Speto, Zezao, etc… all of these have been part of the history of this gallery. Some of them have gone on to bigger and better things and some stay represented by them.
By promotion, they got the chance to take some of these artists abroad to have shows in New York and Paris – many of the artists had never even left Brazil before. Far from being an elitist gallery, pixadores, graffiti artists and Joe Public – they all come every month to check out the new shows – the doors are always open and everybody in the neighbourhood knows them.
Everybody there knows which of the guys are pixadores – some of them are from extremely poor backgrounds and some of them are actually quite middle-class. Many of them are very nice people but when it comes to what they do – they are hardcore. It was more the middle-class pixadores that put this manifestao together to create a sensation. It is perhaps because Choque have been so open and relaxed that they have fallen into trouble. Valuable paintings in a neighbourhood that is covered in graffiti, it could have been a rag to a bull with someone with a personal hostility. Someone jealous and bitter out to spoil another person’s day.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I know this gallery and have seen the benefits for example: some of the artists who used to be bicycle couriers and now they can make a very modest living instead by painting.
This is one of those stories that is difficult to research or understand just by reading what’s on the Internet. I’ve known Choque Cultural since before it was a gallery, five years ago, I’ve been going back every year since. It started out as a tattoo shop and with many artists from tattoo and graffiti hanging out there every day the idea came to do some screen prints with some of the artists they knew.
Every weekend it became a hangout for graffiti artists and street artists, who met and painted the walls inside. After a while some of the artists suggested doing shows – the first one being of prints and gradually it became a gallery. In five years they have evolved to the level it is now and lots of artists have benefited by having their first shows of paintings. The Brazilian scene is well known for the talent that has come out of it – Vitche, Herbert, Nunca, Titifreak, Tinho, Speto, Zezao, etc… all of these have been part of the history of this gallery. Some of them have gone on to bigger and better things and some stay represented by them.
By promotion, they got the chance to take some of these artists abroad to have shows in New York and Paris – many of the artists had never even left Brazil before. Far from being an elitist gallery, pixadores, graffiti artists and Joe Public – they all come every month to check out the new shows – the doors are always open and everybody in the neighbourhood knows them.
Everybody there knows which of the guys are pixadores – some of them are from extremely poor backgrounds and some of them are actually quite middle-class. Many of them are very nice people but when it comes to what they do – they are hardcore. It was more the middle-class pixadores that put this manifestao together to create a sensation. It is perhaps because Choque have been so open and relaxed that they have fallen into trouble. Valuable paintings in a neighbourhood that is covered in graffiti, it could have been a rag to a bull with someone with a personal hostility. Someone jealous and bitter out to spoil another person’s day.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I know this gallery and have seen the benefits for example: some of the artists who used to be bicycle couriers and now they can make a very modest living instead by painting.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Deleted on Sept 16, 2008 14:23:27 GMT 1, Tristan, thanks for the insight. Seems like it's a bit of "biting the hand that feeds you."
Tristan, thanks for the insight. Seems like it's a bit of "biting the hand that feeds you."
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by AvantGarden on Oct 2, 2008 19:58:15 GMT 1,
soon as possible i put the photos of the Highraff exhibitions in Milan (there are already some
greethings
soon as possible i put the photos of the Highraff exhibitions in Milan (there are already some
greethings
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Trismanco on Nov 4, 2008 18:20:06 GMT 1, New pixadore attack - this time at the Sao Paulo Bienale -
www.flickr.com/photos/choquephotos/
Apparently it's a small determined bunch - not very known to the bigger pixadore groups..
New pixadore attack - this time at the Sao Paulo Bienale - www.flickr.com/photos/choquephotos/Apparently it's a small determined bunch - not very known to the bigger pixadore groups.. |
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by AxB on Nov 4, 2008 18:25:11 GMT 1, crazy
whilst i didnt entirely agree with their attack on choque
its hard not to admire their spirit
this seems a more interesting target
how do you feel about this attack mr.manco ?
crazy
whilst i didnt entirely agree with their attack on choque
its hard not to admire their spirit
this seems a more interesting target
how do you feel about this attack mr.manco ?
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Deleted on Nov 4, 2008 18:40:39 GMT 1, New pixadore attack - this time at the Sao Paulo Bienale - www.flickr.com/photos/choquephotos/Apparently it's a small determined bunch - not very known to the bigger pixadore groups..
What I would like before judging are all the facts. Any sources for information Tris ? Fascinating stuff.
In my younger days I was partial to a little riot on the streets of London but then we thought we could bring change. Maybe we did.
Edit. I don't look on violence romantically its a horrible business
New pixadore attack - this time at the Sao Paulo Bienale - www.flickr.com/photos/choquephotos/Apparently it's a small determined bunch - not very known to the bigger pixadore groups.. What I would like before judging are all the facts. Any sources for information Tris ? Fascinating stuff. In my younger days I was partial to a little riot on the streets of London but then we thought we could bring change. Maybe we did. Edit. I don't look on violence romantically its a horrible business |
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Trismanco on Nov 4, 2008 19:24:47 GMT 1, The guys at Choque gallery say it's a continuation of the same protest. Targets have been the Choque gallery, some key halls of fame in Sao Paulo and now the Sao Paulo Biennale.
Its all to do with the commercialisation of Graffiti Art. They are against it.
It is a lazy tendency these days to call things graffiti or urban, when they are really not. Their point is that they are the real graffiti.
"Graffiti" in galleries is not really graffiti, its generally art (hopefully good) that may have some graffiti experience or reference and by putting "real' graffiti in a gallery they have demonstrated that point pretty well. But their point is also simplistic as it plays tagging culture against art which doesn't necessarily claim to be authentic graffiti art in the first place.
You have got to admire the guts and or insanity to trash a very important Art Bienale like this but I'm not sure its a cause worth being dragged off to prison for. At least they have people's attention...
The guys at Choque gallery say it's a continuation of the same protest. Targets have been the Choque gallery, some key halls of fame in Sao Paulo and now the Sao Paulo Biennale.
Its all to do with the commercialisation of Graffiti Art. They are against it.
It is a lazy tendency these days to call things graffiti or urban, when they are really not. Their point is that they are the real graffiti.
"Graffiti" in galleries is not really graffiti, its generally art (hopefully good) that may have some graffiti experience or reference and by putting "real' graffiti in a gallery they have demonstrated that point pretty well. But their point is also simplistic as it plays tagging culture against art which doesn't necessarily claim to be authentic graffiti art in the first place.
You have got to admire the guts and or insanity to trash a very important Art Bienale like this but I'm not sure its a cause worth being dragged off to prison for. At least they have people's attention...
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Heavyconsumer on Nov 4, 2008 20:33:25 GMT 1, The guys at Choque gallery say it's a continuation of the same protest. Targets have been the Choque gallery, some key halls of fame in Sao Paulo and now the Sao Paulo Biennale. Its all to do with the commercialisation of Graffiti Art. They are against it. It is a lazy tendency these days to call things graffiti or urban, when they are really not. Their point is that they are the real graffiti. "Graffiti" in galleries is not really graffiti, its generally art (hopefully good) that may have some graffiti experience or reference and by putting "real' graffiti in a gallery they have demonstrated that point pretty well. But their point is also simplistic as it plays tagging culture against art which doesn't necessarily claim to be authentic graffiti art in the first place. You have got to admire the guts and or insanity to trash a very important Art Bienale like this but I'm not sure its a cause worth being dragged off to prison for. At least they have people's attention...
Hi Tris, if I'm not mistaken you are Brazilian yourself, in which case you must realise that if only those without criminal records were directly involved in the attack and arrested, there is no chance of them ending up in prison for this. People are let off with murder in Brazil if it's a first offense, even some who plead guilty!
As for the guy who says he wouldn't be fearful of people storming into his place of business, he's either a fool or doesn't know what it is to live in a country where children walk around armed to the teeth with complete immunity from prosecution. The threat of violence in Brazil is everpresent, make no mistake!
The guys at Choque gallery say it's a continuation of the same protest. Targets have been the Choque gallery, some key halls of fame in Sao Paulo and now the Sao Paulo Biennale. Its all to do with the commercialisation of Graffiti Art. They are against it. It is a lazy tendency these days to call things graffiti or urban, when they are really not. Their point is that they are the real graffiti. "Graffiti" in galleries is not really graffiti, its generally art (hopefully good) that may have some graffiti experience or reference and by putting "real' graffiti in a gallery they have demonstrated that point pretty well. But their point is also simplistic as it plays tagging culture against art which doesn't necessarily claim to be authentic graffiti art in the first place. You have got to admire the guts and or insanity to trash a very important Art Bienale like this but I'm not sure its a cause worth being dragged off to prison for. At least they have people's attention... Hi Tris, if I'm not mistaken you are Brazilian yourself, in which case you must realise that if only those without criminal records were directly involved in the attack and arrested, there is no chance of them ending up in prison for this. People are let off with murder in Brazil if it's a first offense, even some who plead guilty! As for the guy who says he wouldn't be fearful of people storming into his place of business, he's either a fool or doesn't know what it is to live in a country where children walk around armed to the teeth with complete immunity from prosecution. The threat of violence in Brazil is everpresent, make no mistake! |
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by romanywg on Nov 4, 2008 20:36:05 GMT 1, Here's a translation:
SAO PAULO, SP, BRAZIL, 26-10-2008, 19:30: Group of 50 pichadores attacks the second floor of the 28th Biennial of Sao Paulo, opened this Sunday (26) to the public. The attack was announced between the community of Pixadores and was expected by the organization the event, which could not avoid the action. There was a confrontation with police, firefighters and security guards. Only a girl who participated in the action was arrested and a glass near the entrance was broken to facilitate the escape of the 20 Pixadores who were arrested by security.
Several visitors applauded the action and demanded the release of detainees Pixadores.
Here's a translation:
SAO PAULO, SP, BRAZIL, 26-10-2008, 19:30: Group of 50 pichadores attacks the second floor of the 28th Biennial of Sao Paulo, opened this Sunday (26) to the public. The attack was announced between the community of Pixadores and was expected by the organization the event, which could not avoid the action. There was a confrontation with police, firefighters and security guards. Only a girl who participated in the action was arrested and a glass near the entrance was broken to facilitate the escape of the 20 Pixadores who were arrested by security.
Several visitors applauded the action and demanded the release of detainees Pixadores.
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by hanky on Nov 6, 2008 11:25:41 GMT 1, Just to add my two penneth having recently returned from Sao Paulo and only having the basic understanding of Brazilian street art but there appears to be quite a distinction between pichacao which is what the pixadores do
traditionally done on disused or abandoned building of which there are quite a few in Sao Paulo, normally at the top of the building or near ledges (part of the skill is the ability to scale high buildings and barbed wire with bare hands!!) and the reason for the development of the jagged writing is it is normally done with rollers and in a hurry!!! (although the latest is to use fire extinguishers filled with paint) and Brazilian art which has developed out of this expressive art form from such well known artists eg Os Gemeos, Zezao and Titifreak and what Choque is trying to do is get exposure for more Brazilian artists and let them make a living from what they do
Just to add my two penneth having recently returned from Sao Paulo and only having the basic understanding of Brazilian street art but there appears to be quite a distinction between pichacao which is what the pixadores do traditionally done on disused or abandoned building of which there are quite a few in Sao Paulo, normally at the top of the building or near ledges (part of the skill is the ability to scale high buildings and barbed wire with bare hands!!) and the reason for the development of the jagged writing is it is normally done with rollers and in a hurry!!! (although the latest is to use fire extinguishers filled with paint) and Brazilian art which has developed out of this expressive art form from such well known artists eg Os Gemeos, Zezao and Titifreak and what Choque is trying to do is get exposure for more Brazilian artists and let them make a living from what they do |
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Visit São Paulo 🇧🇷 Brazil Street Art, Galleries & Events, by Blind Angle on Nov 15, 2008 11:30:36 GMT 1, Dear All
Recently i saw a very strong piece of work from a Brazilian artist named Izolag here in Rio. Being courious to know more about the artist i checked flickr and sure he had an account. I spent a long time looking through his amazing work, but it was especially this very sad story that moved me.
Izolag made a work based on this picture by Gregory J. Smith from CARF (Children At Risk Foundation).
This is the work by Izolag posted on flickr 10 months ago called 9 Notaz.
8 months CARF wrote this comment to the work:
I’m a little lost for words today......., but somehow I need to let off some steam.
My expectations for this year were many and optimistic......, they also included Roney and Claudiney, two of the street kids I have followed up closely during these last few years and who at the beginning of this month had been sent to a drug recuperation centre by court order from the local children’s judge.
I’m still trying to figure out why................
After speaking to them both over the phone a few days after their involuntary internment, I realized that my trip to the coast to catch a short week of holiday together with some of our neediest kids was not going to be a comfortable one considering that both boys probably needed a lot of extra attention following this rather unexpected decision (my trip was planned to include Roney and Claudiney, but due to the court order of internment they were unable to come along).
Last week on my arrival back home, the local Department of Homicides called me and asked if we had registered any missing children the last couple of days. They needed to identify two young boys who had been found beaten and strangled not far from the small holding where I lived for the first decade of my work recuperating street children. My most uncomfortable memories from that decade were all the dead bodies I had experienced (32 in all) along the dirt track leading up to our home, which seemed to be a historically popular dumping ground since the days of the military dictatorship and obviously continued to be so for whoever felt they had the right to take the law into their own hands.
As I had an extremely busy agenda for the next few days I suggested to the police that they visit a few strategic places with some photos of the victims to see if someone would recognize them.
Offering little thought at all that the victims could possibly be Roney or Claudiney due to them having been interned, on Sunday I went to pay them the visit I had promised before having left for the coast, only to discover that the boys had already done a runaway. I hadn’t really expected them to stay there for long, which seemed pretty clear from the phone conversation I had with them a week earlier, all the more reason for me to visit them as soon as I arrived back home.
Today, the police called again to tell me they had finally identified the two dead kids, but were now trying to find a third missing child who seemed to have escaped the killer’s cold-blooded actions. Roney unfortunately had not; he and another street kid, Júlio César, were the two victims!
There are many things I find so very hard to accept in my work with underprivileged kids in this country. In the first place, I find it hard to accept that street children exist at all in the 21st.Century, especially in a society that is among the world's top 10 economies. Then I find it hard to digest everything that follows as a consequence of this negligence, this indifference, which sometimes makes me feel so sad and today, so sick! I really can’t find the right words to express my anger and my frustrations..........
I once quoted Albert Einstein under one of Roney’s many special portraits in my Flickr photo stream. I think I’ll do so again:
“The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it.”
To learn more about the amazing work of CARF please visit:
www.flickr.com/people/beija-flor/
or
www.carfweb.net/
To see the work of Izolag go to:
www.flickr.com/photos/izolag/
Dear All Recently i saw a very strong piece of work from a Brazilian artist named Izolag here in Rio. Being courious to know more about the artist i checked flickr and sure he had an account. I spent a long time looking through his amazing work, but it was especially this very sad story that moved me. Izolag made a work based on this picture by Gregory J. Smith from CARF (Children At Risk Foundation). This is the work by Izolag posted on flickr 10 months ago called 9 Notaz.8 months CARF wrote this comment to the work:I’m a little lost for words today......., but somehow I need to let off some steam.
My expectations for this year were many and optimistic......, they also included Roney and Claudiney, two of the street kids I have followed up closely during these last few years and who at the beginning of this month had been sent to a drug recuperation centre by court order from the local children’s judge.
I’m still trying to figure out why................
After speaking to them both over the phone a few days after their involuntary internment, I realized that my trip to the coast to catch a short week of holiday together with some of our neediest kids was not going to be a comfortable one considering that both boys probably needed a lot of extra attention following this rather unexpected decision (my trip was planned to include Roney and Claudiney, but due to the court order of internment they were unable to come along).
Last week on my arrival back home, the local Department of Homicides called me and asked if we had registered any missing children the last couple of days. They needed to identify two young boys who had been found beaten and strangled not far from the small holding where I lived for the first decade of my work recuperating street children. My most uncomfortable memories from that decade were all the dead bodies I had experienced (32 in all) along the dirt track leading up to our home, which seemed to be a historically popular dumping ground since the days of the military dictatorship and obviously continued to be so for whoever felt they had the right to take the law into their own hands.
As I had an extremely busy agenda for the next few days I suggested to the police that they visit a few strategic places with some photos of the victims to see if someone would recognize them.
Offering little thought at all that the victims could possibly be Roney or Claudiney due to them having been interned, on Sunday I went to pay them the visit I had promised before having left for the coast, only to discover that the boys had already done a runaway. I hadn’t really expected them to stay there for long, which seemed pretty clear from the phone conversation I had with them a week earlier, all the more reason for me to visit them as soon as I arrived back home.
Today, the police called again to tell me they had finally identified the two dead kids, but were now trying to find a third missing child who seemed to have escaped the killer’s cold-blooded actions. Roney unfortunately had not; he and another street kid, Júlio César, were the two victims!
There are many things I find so very hard to accept in my work with underprivileged kids in this country. In the first place, I find it hard to accept that street children exist at all in the 21st.Century, especially in a society that is among the world's top 10 economies. Then I find it hard to digest everything that follows as a consequence of this negligence, this indifference, which sometimes makes me feel so sad and today, so sick! I really can’t find the right words to express my anger and my frustrations..........
I once quoted Albert Einstein under one of Roney’s many special portraits in my Flickr photo stream. I think I’ll do so again:
“The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it.” To learn more about the amazing work of CARF please visit: www.flickr.com/people/beija-flor/or www.carfweb.net/To see the work of Izolag go to: www.flickr.com/photos/izolag/ |
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Are they saying they want to be part of it? if it even exists 
? Personal experience, etc?
well said.
