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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Johnny Sarcasm on Oct 27, 2023 23:42:03 GMT 1, Consumer product!!! Its a piece of art by a world renowned artist at the fraction of the price it should have been. Unless its smashed or cracked get over bubbles or variations and count yourself lucky to own such a piece. I have no other works produced by Avant Arte so have no reason to defend them and check my record I am not one for getting involved in this nonsense. But seriously?
Consumer product!!! Its a piece of art by a world renowned artist at the fraction of the price it should have been. Unless its smashed or cracked get over bubbles or variations and count yourself lucky to own such a piece. I have no other works produced by Avant Arte so have no reason to defend them and check my record I am not one for getting involved in this nonsense. But seriously? Out of interest, would you be happy with a print that you bought new that had a crease running through the centre of it? |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by .dappy on Oct 27, 2023 23:49:34 GMT 1, Consumer product!!! Its a piece of art by a world renowned artist at the fraction of the price it should have been. Unless its smashed or cracked get over bubbles or variations and count yourself lucky to own such a piece. I have no other works produced by Avant Arte so have no reason to defend them and check my record I am not one for getting involved in this nonsense. But seriously?
... this .... how many of you have blown a piece of glass ... this is not a glicee or computer controlled screen print ....
Consumer product!!! Its a piece of art by a world renowned artist at the fraction of the price it should have been. Unless its smashed or cracked get over bubbles or variations and count yourself lucky to own such a piece. I have no other works produced by Avant Arte so have no reason to defend them and check my record I am not one for getting involved in this nonsense. But seriously? ... this .... how many of you have blown a piece of glass ... this is not a glicee or computer controlled screen print .... |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Harveyn on Oct 27, 2023 23:51:43 GMT 1, Last word.
Its not a print and I am more than happy with bubbles and marks from the manufacturing process.
I tend to think about the artist and the art.
All I can say is never buy a Barry McGee original as firstly they are not signed and secondly he has personally redefined artist condition in terms of chips and scrapes.
For me each piece is unique and visually unaffected by the variations and in my world enhanced.
Last word.
Its not a print and I am more than happy with bubbles and marks from the manufacturing process.
I tend to think about the artist and the art.
All I can say is never buy a Barry McGee original as firstly they are not signed and secondly he has personally redefined artist condition in terms of chips and scrapes.
For me each piece is unique and visually unaffected by the variations and in my world enhanced.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Acme Thunderer on Oct 28, 2023 0:13:26 GMT 1, I get both perspectives on this.
However, these are interesting questions to considerโฆ
- Would you prefer a vase with no flaws, or with flaws?
- Is a vase with flaws, worth less than one without flaws?
- Do the flaws make this vase harder to sell than if it was perfect?
I am not suggesting that Johnny Sarcasm wanted to sell as a lot of us buy art as a long term investment (as well as enjoyment), but we should understand when someone might not be happy with how it has panned out and expect them to accept it.
I get both perspectives on this.
However, these are interesting questions to considerโฆ
- Would you prefer a vase with no flaws, or with flaws?
- Is a vase with flaws, worth less than one without flaws?
- Do the flaws make this vase harder to sell than if it was perfect?
I am not suggesting that Johnny Sarcasm wanted to sell as a lot of us buy art as a long term investment (as well as enjoyment), but we should understand when someone might not be happy with how it has panned out and expect them to accept it.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by ericc on Oct 28, 2023 0:14:08 GMT 1, Itโs a handmade glass sculpture. Some have probably forgotten what handmade works look and feel like which isnโt very suprising considering most things discussed and collected on this forum.
Itโs a handmade glass sculpture. Some have probably forgotten what handmade works look and feel like which isnโt very suprising considering most things discussed and collected on this forum.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Harveyn on Oct 28, 2023 0:45:24 GMT 1, I get both perspectives on this. However, these are interesting questions to considerโฆ - Would you prefer a vase with no flaws, or with flaws? - Is a vase with flaws, worth less than one without flaws? - Do the flaws make this vase harder to sell than if it was perfect? I am not suggesting that Johnny Sarcasm wanted to sell as a lot of us buy art as a long term investment (as well as enjoyment), but we should understand when someone might not be happy with how it has panned out and expect them to accept it.
Be assured I rarely get involved in this nonsense on here but given you all got the opportunity to buy something at a fraction of the real value itโs a joke.
I get both perspectives on this. However, these are interesting questions to considerโฆ - Would you prefer a vase with no flaws, or with flaws? - Is a vase with flaws, worth less than one without flaws? - Do the flaws make this vase harder to sell than if it was perfect? I am not suggesting that Johnny Sarcasm wanted to sell as a lot of us buy art as a long term investment (as well as enjoyment), but we should understand when someone might not be happy with how it has panned out and expect them to accept it. Well mine came with a statement revealing the artistic variations in the edition so your loaded questions calling them out as flaws is just nonsense. Be assured I rarely get involved in this nonsense on here but given you all got the opportunity to buy something at a fraction of the real value itโs a joke. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Acme Thunderer on Oct 28, 2023 4:23:12 GMT 1, I get both perspectives on this. However, these are interesting questions to considerโฆ - Would you prefer a vase with no flaws, or with flaws? - Is a vase with flaws, worth less than one without flaws? - Do the flaws make this vase harder to sell than if it was perfect? I am not suggesting that Johnny Sarcasm wanted to sell as a lot of us buy art as a long term investment (as well as enjoyment), but we should understand when someone might not be happy with how it has panned out and expect them to accept it. Well mine came with a statement revealing the artistic variations in the edition so your loaded questions calling them out as flaws is just nonsense. Be assured I rarely get involved in this nonsense on here but given you all got the opportunity to buy something at a fraction of the real value itโs a joke.
A possible solution would therefore be if someone swapped theirs with the one that Johnny Sarcasm or Happy Shopper have. Any takers? ๐ค
I get both perspectives on this. However, these are interesting questions to considerโฆ - Would you prefer a vase with no flaws, or with flaws? - Is a vase with flaws, worth less than one without flaws? - Do the flaws make this vase harder to sell than if it was perfect? I am not suggesting that Johnny Sarcasm wanted to sell as a lot of us buy art as a long term investment (as well as enjoyment), but we should understand when someone might not be happy with how it has panned out and expect them to accept it. Well mine came with a statement revealing the artistic variations in the edition so your loaded questions calling them out as flaws is just nonsense. Be assured I rarely get involved in this nonsense on here but given you all got the opportunity to buy something at a fraction of the real value itโs a joke. As someone who does not have a vested interest in the piece (or ever wanted to buy it), I can offer a degree of impartiality. A possible solution would therefore be if someone swapped theirs with the one that Johnny Sarcasm or Happy Shopper have. Any takers? ๐ค |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Johnny Sarcasm on Oct 28, 2023 7:36:49 GMT 1, Update: This morning I was contacted by AA who have proposed a solution. I will share details in due course. Thanks for your respective POV on the matter, it made for an interesting read and insight into the minds of collectors. I spent many years working for Coca-Cola and spent time in China too so this is a release very close to my heart.
Update: This morning I was contacted by AA who have proposed a solution. I will share details in due course. Thanks for your respective POV on the matter, it made for an interesting read and insight into the minds of collectors. I spent many years working for Coca-Cola and spent time in China too so this is a release very close to my heart.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by stuff on Oct 28, 2023 8:53:26 GMT 1, Update: This morning I was contacted by AA who have proposed a solution. I will share details in due course. Thanks for your respective POV on the matter, it made for an interesting read and insight into the minds of collectors. I spent many years working for Coca-Cola and spent time in China too so this is a release very close to my heart.
Update: This morning I was contacted by AA who have proposed a solution. I will share details in due course. Thanks for your respective POV on the matter, it made for an interesting read and insight into the minds of collectors. I spent many years working for Coca-Cola and spent time in China too so this is a release very close to my heart. Sounds like you're part of the inspiration for this artwork. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Harveyn on Oct 28, 2023 10:00:29 GMT 1, 6 or 7 of my friends have one of these works as do I. They all have variations so I am not sure how many have zero variations.
6 or 7 of my friends have one of these works as do I. They all have variations so I am not sure how many have zero variations.
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by its all about me on Oct 28, 2023 11:52:32 GMT 1, Hey AA, If anyone actually sends back one of their "flawed" pieces, I would love the opportunity to purchase! Thanks
Hey AA, If anyone actually sends back one of their "flawed" pieces, I would love the opportunity to purchase! Thanks Me too. But let's face it, despite all their moans and complaints, they are still going to make a big fat profit on their "flawed" vase. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by its all about me on Oct 28, 2023 11:55:14 GMT 1, LOL, not much patience, the vase arrived 3 months late because AA 'didn't want to compromise on the quality'. There was a lot that AA could have done but they chose to fob me off with BS, rather than hold their hands up to the delays and flaws.
LOL, not much patience, the vase arrived 3 months late because AA 'didn't want to compromise on the quality'. There was a lot that AA could have done but they chose to fob me off with BS, rather than hold their hands up to the delays and flaws. ...except they didn't "fob you off". They offered you a full refund. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by blurp on Oct 28, 2023 12:48:48 GMT 1, I have a variation, what I see as a noticeable flaw. Disappointed and I certainly wouldn't pick mine off the shelf to purchase but.....hey ho.
6 or 7 of my friends have one of these works as do I. They all have variations so I am not sure how many have zero variations.
I have a variation, what I see as a noticeable flaw. Disappointed and I certainly wouldn't pick mine off the shelf to purchase but.....hey ho. 6 or 7 of my friends have one of these works as do I. They all have variations so I am not sure how many have zero variations. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by pamplemousse on Oct 30, 2023 12:27:22 GMT 1, Got to compare 2 of these side by side to see the 'differences'. Most noticeably mine is lighter and more translucent. Left weighs 1280g and right 1710g! Both have a light spiral scratch all the way round and can see a faint seam in glass. There a few small marks and bubbles throughout too. One thing I quite like is the darker/richer red glass that spirals up from the base. Both very happy with them!
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Oct 30, 2023 12:47:58 GMT 1,
Thank you for this. I think these variations are important for the edition because it stresses the handmade nature of these. By that it also captures some of the meaning of the original pieces where ancient vases are used.
If they had used 300 identical, machine made vases, it would have lost all of its message.
Thank you for this. I think these variations are important for the edition because it stresses the handmade nature of these. By that it also captures some of the meaning of the original pieces where ancient vases are used. If they had used 300 identical, machine made vases, it would have lost all of its message. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Someone Like You on Oct 30, 2023 12:50:38 GMT 1, Each vases is unique, an original
Each vases is unique, an original
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by blurp on Oct 30, 2023 13:06:21 GMT 1, Each vases is unique, an original
Each vases is unique, an original Sure but some do have marks on them to the extent they should have been melted down and made again. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by robo on Oct 31, 2023 23:30:57 GMT 1, Thank you for this. I think these variations are important for the edition because it stresses the handmade nature of these. By that it also captures some of the meaning of the original pieces where ancient vases are used. If they had used 300 identical, machine made vases, it would have lost all of its message.
I hadnโt realised they could be so different. These are both stunning.
Thank you for this. I think these variations are important for the edition because it stresses the handmade nature of these. By that it also captures some of the meaning of the original pieces where ancient vases are used. If they had used 300 identical, machine made vases, it would have lost all of its message. I hadnโt realised they could be so different. These are both stunning. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by blurp on Nov 1, 2023 16:04:05 GMT 1, These looks good. Any large air bubbles or scratches on either?
These looks good. Any large air bubbles or scratches on either?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by nobokov on Nov 1, 2023 18:07:45 GMT 1, Mine SAYS PEPSI! WTF Avant ARTE??!?
Mine SAYS PEPSI! WTF Avant ARTE??!?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Pawel on Nov 1, 2023 18:32:01 GMT 1, Mine SAYS PEPSI! WTF Avant ARTE??!?
And you know, they say the light tastes the same as the real thing, but it does not.
Mine SAYS PEPSI! WTF Avant ARTE??!? The recent ones (mine included should say Coca-Cola light as it's almost 0.5kg lighter). And you know, they say the light tastes the same as the real thing, but it does not. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Londown 01 on Nov 1, 2023 19:24:27 GMT 1,
Mine reads "Fanta", and it is actually the original orange colourway
Mine reads "Fanta", and it is actually the original orange colourway
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by orchid on Nov 1, 2023 23:33:40 GMT 1, Lougher is selling at ยฃ6k. What's the rule with galleries and NRA - is there an exemption?
Lougher is selling at ยฃ6k. What's the rule with galleries and NRA - is there an exemption?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by surf101 on Nov 2, 2023 22:28:54 GMT 1, ยฃ 3250 in person London, must be tomorrow DM me
ยฃ 3250 in person London, must be tomorrow DM me
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Masong on Nov 2, 2023 22:34:13 GMT 1, They have a strict two year no sale policy, will be interesting to see if they pursue anyone.
They have a strict two year no sale policy, will be interesting to see if they pursue anyone. Looks like youโre about to find out.. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by blurp on Nov 2, 2023 22:40:05 GMT 1, They have a strict two year no sale policy, will be interesting to see if they pursue anyone. Looks like youโre about to find out..
They have a strict two year no sale policy, will be interesting to see if they pursue anyone. Looks like youโre about to find out.. Shots fired |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by surf101 on Nov 2, 2023 22:44:16 GMT 1, Are you the two people who didn't get one?
Are you the two people who didn't get one?
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Masong on Nov 2, 2023 22:51:08 GMT 1, Are you the two people who didn't get one?
Are you the two people who didn't get one? I stated I didnโt get one 4 posts back but said I would have liked one. As it happens I didnโt even try to get one even when the link was on here. I thought ยฃ800 was a lot for a glass vase and even more so now that I see all the faults in a lot of them. Good luck with your sale. |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by Masong on Nov 2, 2023 22:53:36 GMT 1, Looks like youโre about to find out.. Shots fired
Looks like youโre about to find out.. Shots fired Letโs hope I donโt hit the vase as thereโs enough marks on them already๐ |
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by gus on Nov 2, 2023 23:06:06 GMT 1, I'd like these less if they were free of 'imperfections'.
If it was a factory made vase, sure, complain (about what, i'm not sure, get a refund or sell for more lmao). But this is murano glass. I'm by no means a glass nor murano expert, but i'm fairly sure very little coming out of there is imperfectionless.
I'd like these less if they were free of 'imperfections'.
If it was a factory made vase, sure, complain (about what, i'm not sure, get a refund or sell for more lmao). But this is murano glass. I'm by no means a glass nor murano expert, but i'm fairly sure very little coming out of there is imperfectionless.
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