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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by vickyv on Jun 12, 2023 0:08:44 GMT 1, Honestly, sometimes this forum gets me. These items are from the collection of a forum member who has sadly died. I never met him but, from what many of you said about him on finding out about his death, he sounds like he was a good bloke. I’ve never met Pete either but he is trying to help his deceased friend’s wife to raise funds by selling some of/his collection. He is trying to help. We know what they are so either make an offer or don’t - that’s all there is to it.
Honestly, sometimes this forum gets me. These items are from the collection of a forum member who has sadly died. I never met him but, from what many of you said about him on finding out about his death, he sounds like he was a good bloke. I’ve never met Pete either but he is trying to help his deceased friend’s wife to raise funds by selling some of/his collection. He is trying to help. We know what they are so either make an offer or don’t - that’s all there is to it.
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by Pete the Post on Jun 12, 2023 7:30:07 GMT 1, Ok, so went off on the bike in the scorching heat and grabbed some pics for everyone. (wasnt that bad, its an ebike so i did sod all.) We have quite the list of pieces. As im selling for my mates wife again, i dont get final say on offers but can pass them on. Starting with the radar rats Orange on white, tiny corner dink bottom left. £1000   Red on white, mint £800   Red on brown, mint £1300   Pink on white, mint £2300   Red on grey, slight tear to bottom seam, can be seen in image. £500   Laugh now silver, tiny tiny dink to bottom right corner. £1400    Laugh now bronze, tiny dink to bottom right of reverse. £1700    Laugh now olive, tiny dink to bottom right corner of reverse. £1800    Rebtuz Presents Birthdays EP, Mint £250   Talib Kweli + Madlib Liberation still sealed. (not sure if its the repress the original or the white repress! but not much in it) £15   [...] Are people really still paying thousands of pounds for fake Banksy items?! Not too sure if they still are. But even if not, it remains unfortunate that they ever were. 1. In large part, this will be down to market ignorance. There are substantial numbers of clueless enthusiasts who believe the use of Ban ksy's artwork was authorised. In other words, that these records are genuine Ban ksy collectibles, and therefore worth the investment of tens, or hundreds, or even thousands of pounds. In fact, the numbers of clueless enthusiasts, among both private collectors and art‑world professionals, are such that they long‑ago reached a critical mass — a critical mass of dupes and fools which allowed for a blind leading the blind scenario to continue to perpetuate itself. Google searches will reveal the sheer scale of misattributions and other misinformation, including on auction house websites, about these items that feature stolen imagery. 2. An additional explanation would be market cynicism. Here, we have a smaller proportion of individuals who actually are informed, as opposed to clueless. They are well aware that the Ban ksy imagery on these records was stolen. But they don't really care. Presumably, this unscrupulous stance will in many cases be driven by self‑interest and greed. Clearly, there are serious profits to be made in selling or reselling fakes — especially since they are frequently mistaken as authentic by the clueless enthusiasts referred to in point 1. 3. This specific part of the Ban ksy-ephemera market seems to me like a house of cards just waiting to collapse. Frankly, a single high-profile article, or a one‑liner from the artist himself, could easily become the catalyst for such a collapse. __________ A separate issue I've previously raised: Is it appropriate to allow the sale of fakes on this forum?My own position is straightforward. It is based on a simple premise: Stealing from artists is wrong.Now, the above viewpoint does not strike me as being especially contentious. [Nor does it seem contentious when, for the very same reason, Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black / Brandalised are almost universally panned for their own thieving of Banksy images.]And if this viewpoint is accepted by others here as a reasonable position of principle and integrity, what naturally follows is that the Ur ban Art Association should also cease allowing itself to be used as a platform for the sale of fakes, forgeries and counterfeits. This, for at least a few reasons: (i) the sale of fakes is not a great look for an art forum; (ii) such sales cause potential confusion among less-knowledgeable members, which could lead to those members making expensive purchase mistakes based on false assumptions of authenticity; and (iii) such sales serve to normalise and arguably legitimise thieving from artists. I suspect the only ones who would take issue with this position are those who are conflicted, whose collections include fakes, and who therefore have a vested interest in an ongoing marketplace for fakes.
You could well be MET, a name chosen well id say! You think you are ultimate arbiter and the "great knowledge holder". When your just repeating what people mostly know and using a million words to do it. You have the avatar of an adult punching a child in the face (no matter who its by, you chose that image), you feel the need to think and constantly try to prove you are better than others, but you really add nothing much.
Just to show how short a message can be, why dont you GFYS.
Ok, so went off on the bike in the scorching heat and grabbed some pics for everyone. (wasnt that bad, its an ebike so i did sod all.) We have quite the list of pieces. As im selling for my mates wife again, i dont get final say on offers but can pass them on. Starting with the radar rats Orange on white, tiny corner dink bottom left. £1000 Red on white, mint £800 Red on brown, mint £1300 Pink on white, mint £2300 Red on grey, slight tear to bottom seam, can be seen in image. £500 Laugh now silver, tiny tiny dink to bottom right corner. £1400 Laugh now bronze, tiny dink to bottom right of reverse. £1700 Laugh now olive, tiny dink to bottom right corner of reverse. £1800 Rebtuz Presents Birthdays EP, Mint £250 Talib Kweli + Madlib Liberation still sealed. (not sure if its the repress the original or the white repress! but not much in it) £15 [...] Are people really still paying thousands of pounds for fake Banksy items?! Not too sure if they still are. But even if not, it remains unfortunate that they ever were. 1. In large part, this will be down to market ignorance. There are substantial numbers of clueless enthusiasts who believe the use of Ban ksy's artwork was authorised. In other words, that these records are genuine Ban ksy collectibles, and therefore worth the investment of tens, or hundreds, or even thousands of pounds. In fact, the numbers of clueless enthusiasts, among both private collectors and art‑world professionals, are such that they long‑ago reached a critical mass — a critical mass of dupes and fools which allowed for a blind leading the blind scenario to continue to perpetuate itself. Google searches will reveal the sheer scale of misattributions and other misinformation, including on auction house websites, about these items that feature stolen imagery. 2. An additional explanation would be market cynicism. Here, we have a smaller proportion of individuals who actually are informed, as opposed to clueless. They are well aware that the Ban ksy imagery on these records was stolen. But they don't really care. Presumably, this unscrupulous stance will in many cases be driven by self‑interest and greed. Clearly, there are serious profits to be made in selling or reselling fakes — especially since they are frequently mistaken as authentic by the clueless enthusiasts referred to in point 1. 3. This specific part of the Ban ksy-ephemera market seems to me like a house of cards just waiting to collapse. Frankly, a single high-profile article, or a one‑liner from the artist himself, could easily become the catalyst for such a collapse. __________ A separate issue I've previously raised: Is it appropriate to allow the sale of fakes on this forum?My own position is straightforward. It is based on a simple premise: Stealing from artists is wrong.Now, the above viewpoint does not strike me as being especially contentious. [Nor does it seem contentious when, for the very same reason, Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black / Brandalised are almost universally panned for their own thieving of Banksy images.]And if this viewpoint is accepted by others here as a reasonable position of principle and integrity, what naturally follows is that the Ur ban Art Association should also cease allowing itself to be used as a platform for the sale of fakes, forgeries and counterfeits. This, for at least a few reasons: (i) the sale of fakes is not a great look for an art forum; (ii) such sales cause potential confusion among less-knowledgeable members, which could lead to those members making expensive purchase mistakes based on false assumptions of authenticity; and (iii) such sales serve to normalise and arguably legitimise thieving from artists. I suspect the only ones who would take issue with this position are those who are conflicted, whose collections include fakes, and who therefore have a vested interest in an ongoing marketplace for fakes. You really are the MOST needy of all the egomaniacs on here MET arent you. You never say anything in 3 words, if you can turn them into half a page. You assume everyone here knows absolutely nothing about ANYTHING! then you pop up and massage the hell out of your obviously very weak and feeble ego. You could well be MET, a name chosen well id say! You think you are ultimate arbiter and the "great knowledge holder". When your just repeating what people mostly know and using a million words to do it. You have the avatar of an adult punching a child in the face (no matter who its by, you chose that image), you feel the need to think and constantly try to prove you are better than others, but you really add nothing much. Just to show how short a message can be, why dont you GFYS. |
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sbash
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by sbash on Jun 12, 2023 8:04:23 GMT 1, What a little spoilt child you are. Throwing your toys out your pram every time someone cast doubt on your precious thread...
What a little spoilt child you are. Throwing your toys out your pram every time someone cast doubt on your precious thread...
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by Pete the Post on Jun 12, 2023 8:09:18 GMT 1, What a little spoilt child you are. Throwing your toys out your pram every time someone cast doubt on your precious thread...
Im sure @porkie would be really fucking greatful.
What a little spoilt child you are. Throwing your toys out your pram every time someone cast doubt on your precious thread... Go away little man. Thread to help the widow of my friend is now trashed thanks to dickheads like yourself. I hope your proud you sad little t**t. Im sure @porkie would be really fucking greatful. |
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by Crime in the City on Jun 12, 2023 11:16:12 GMT 1, What a little spoilt child you are. Throwing your toys out your pram every time someone cast doubt on your precious thread...
What a little spoilt child you are. Throwing your toys out your pram every time someone cast doubt on your precious thread... Pete's the worst... a platinum level plonker |
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by Pete the Post on Jun 12, 2023 11:34:25 GMT 1, What a little spoilt child you are. Throwing your toys out your pram every time someone cast doubt on your precious thread... Pete's the worst... a platinum level plonker
Ill carry on doing things for others, no matter what a little bunch of losers want to label me as. At the end of the day, thats basically all you ever manage to knock me for, so who needs to give a shit for your worthless thoughts or ramblings.
What a little spoilt child you are. Throwing your toys out your pram every time someone cast doubt on your precious thread... Pete's the worst... a platinum level plonker Lol i wonder if any one of you understands labelling theory, and more importantly, the need for a person to allow such weak psychology to matter. Ill carry on doing things for others, no matter what a little bunch of losers want to label me as. At the end of the day, thats basically all you ever manage to knock me for, so who needs to give a shit for your worthless thoughts or ramblings. |
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by Crime in the City on Jun 12, 2023 11:47:12 GMT 1, Pete's the worst... a platinum level plonker Lol i wonder if any one of you understands labelling theory, and more importantly, the need for a person to allow such weak psychology to matter. Ill carry on doing things for others, no matter what a little bunch of losers want to label me as. At the end of the day, thats basically all you ever manage to knock me for, so who needs to give a shit for your worthless thoughts or ramblings.
Pete's the worst... a platinum level plonker Lol i wonder if any one of you understands labelling theory, and more importantly, the need for a person to allow such weak psychology to matter. Ill carry on doing things for others, no matter what a little bunch of losers want to label me as. At the end of the day, thats basically all you ever manage to knock me for, so who needs to give a shit for your worthless thoughts or ramblings. No ones knocking you for helping others, it's the fact you have a new argument literally every day with a different forum member lol Reaching 'platinum level' is a great achievement anyway, you should wear that with pride! |
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by alberti on Jun 12, 2023 11:50:52 GMT 1, MET, what about the artist himself reselling real stuff in fake booth, so confusing? What about the artist saying he doesn't care about IP and is fine with people reusing - for commercial purpose - his images as long as it is not marked as "original"? Looks like you forgot that in your résumé...
Bootlegs are bootlegs, people can do their searches, there are plenty of sources available online.
Nothing wrong posting these for sale here, I have seen them thousands times already here, so let drop the issue of such post being beneficial or not... I even recall posts with members exciting by theses bootlegs/fakes. I think scamming people from this forum will be difficult, any newbie or less knowlegeable users here can do their search; so it doesn't "cause", it "may cause". Such sale don't legitimise sale of stolen images imo, especially considering the comments 
I have no interest in Banksy bootlegs, I own none. I never really liked them and, for sure, I rarely fall for bootlegs/fakes. Only once Bought some posters from a guy who was reprinted an image without the artist's authorisation and selling them as original in his shop. He stopped pretty quickly once caught... selling "fakes" is dangerous business for sure. Funny, these fakes remain much sought by collectors and have doubled in price since; there are rare (a few were printed) and I guess having a full history also plays a part Stuff for sale in this posts are "bootlegs" by definition, there is a slight difference; nothing wrong with bootlegs, especially if you know that the artist was fine with people using images for commercial use as long as it is not sold as "original". Bootlegs are also very much sought (more than fakes); funniest, some bootlegs are so much sought - especially in LPs - that some guys are even reselling fakes of bootlegs
You mention "critical mass" and "market cynicism", exactly!! The blind leading the blind, exactly on point!! But most of the time, the initial seller is not blind and very much informed. I am sure there are hundreds of people here who bought the exact same stuff and seating on Ebay. After realising I bought a fake poster, i wrote in the forum of collectors, calling them more or less assholes for not telling me it was a fake. Many of them had the same poster in their house and reluctant to speak out, some wrote to me privately to say I should shut up. Ahahaha! And none commented back, ahaha, so incestuous!! People here are outspoken at least, they are not afraid to call a spade a spade. Dishonesty is the norm, whistleblowers are very much needed. But then, we aren't here to legislate 
MET, what about the artist himself reselling real stuff in fake booth, so confusing? What about the artist saying he doesn't care about IP and is fine with people reusing - for commercial purpose - his images as long as it is not marked as "original"? Looks like you forgot that in your résumé... Bootlegs are bootlegs, people can do their searches, there are plenty of sources available online. Nothing wrong posting these for sale here, I have seen them thousands times already here, so let drop the issue of such post being beneficial or not... I even recall posts with members exciting by theses bootlegs/fakes. I think scamming people from this forum will be difficult, any newbie or less knowlegeable users here can do their search; so it doesn't "cause", it "may cause". Such sale don't legitimise sale of stolen images imo, especially considering the comments I have no interest in Banksy bootlegs, I own none. I never really liked them and, for sure, I rarely fall for bootlegs/fakes. Only once Bought some posters from a guy who was reprinted an image without the artist's authorisation and selling them as original in his shop. He stopped pretty quickly once caught... selling "fakes" is dangerous business for sure. Funny, these fakes remain much sought by collectors and have doubled in price since; there are rare (a few were printed) and I guess having a full history also plays a part Stuff for sale in this posts are "bootlegs" by definition, there is a slight difference; nothing wrong with bootlegs, especially if you know that the artist was fine with people using images for commercial use as long as it is not sold as "original". Bootlegs are also very much sought (more than fakes); funniest, some bootlegs are so much sought - especially in LPs - that some guys are even reselling fakes of bootlegs You mention "critical mass" and "market cynicism", exactly!! The blind leading the blind, exactly on point!! But most of the time, the initial seller is not blind and very much informed. I am sure there are hundreds of people here who bought the exact same stuff and seating on Ebay. After realising I bought a fake poster, i wrote in the forum of collectors, calling them more or less assholes for not telling me it was a fake. Many of them had the same poster in their house and reluctant to speak out, some wrote to me privately to say I should shut up. Ahahaha! And none commented back, ahaha, so incestuous!! People here are outspoken at least, they are not afraid to call a spade a spade. Dishonesty is the norm, whistleblowers are very much needed. But then, we aren't here to legislate |
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by Pete the Post on Jun 12, 2023 11:59:39 GMT 1, Lol i wonder if any one of you understands labelling theory, and more importantly, the need for a person to allow such weak psychology to matter. Ill carry on doing things for others, no matter what a little bunch of losers want to label me as. At the end of the day, thats basically all you ever manage to knock me for, so who needs to give a shit for your worthless thoughts or ramblings. No ones knocking you for helping others, it's the fact you have a new argument literally every day with a different forum member lol Reaching 'platinum level' is a great achievement anyway, you should wear that with pride!
The low level it requires to derail a thread like this in this way, only reflects on you lot. Beyond pathetic, and taking needy behaviours to new realms.
If by new arguement, you mean forced to constantly defend, your right. But i guess that fact doesnt fit your bullshit story that well eh.
Thread is over for me, do what you want you attention seeking little dick.
Lol i wonder if any one of you understands labelling theory, and more importantly, the need for a person to allow such weak psychology to matter. Ill carry on doing things for others, no matter what a little bunch of losers want to label me as. At the end of the day, thats basically all you ever manage to knock me for, so who needs to give a shit for your worthless thoughts or ramblings. No ones knocking you for helping others, it's the fact you have a new argument literally every day with a different forum member lol Reaching 'platinum level' is a great achievement anyway, you should wear that with pride! You know what, you keep stroking your dick in public, im done with this shit. The low level it requires to derail a thread like this in this way, only reflects on you lot. Beyond pathetic, and taking needy behaviours to new realms. If by new arguement, you mean forced to constantly defend, your right. But i guess that fact doesnt fit your bullshit story that well eh. Thread is over for me, do what you want you attention seeking little dick. |
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by mandem on Jun 12, 2023 13:30:57 GMT 1, When you look at Discogs you have to look at the prices at which they are sold in a given period and not those at which they are offered (which sometimes remain unsold for years) from which you then have to subtract at least 15%
This ^^
If - after so much carcrash posting in the thread - anyone's never used Discogs, and is actually interested in any of the vinyls, just use the Discogs 'Recent Sales' function.
Click this date, on any given release page, and it'll bring up details of *completed* sales on the platform, rather than asking prices... GLWT sales, OP. I bought my Dirty Funkers at £8 and sold them on for £30 - thought I'd done well  When you look at Discogs you have to look at the prices at which they are sold in a given period and not those at which they are offered (which sometimes remain unsold for years) from which you then have to subtract at least 15%
This ^^
If - after so much carcrash posting in the thread - anyone's never used Discogs, and is actually interested in any of the vinyls, just use the Discogs 'Recent Sales' function.
Click this date, on any given release page, and it'll bring up details of *completed* sales on the platform, rather than asking prices... GLWT sales, OP. I bought my Dirty Funkers at £8 and sold them on for £30 - thought I'd done well |
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Give a shit tshirt etc Banksy invader PINS Shrigley records, by Crime in the City on Jun 12, 2023 18:42:45 GMT 1, No ones knocking you for helping others, it's the fact you have a new argument literally every day with a different forum member lol Reaching 'platinum level' is a great achievement anyway, you should wear that with pride! You know what, you keep stroking your dick in public, im done with this shit. The low level it requires to derail a thread like this in this way, only reflects on you lot. Beyond pathetic, and taking needy behaviours to new realms. If by new arguement, you mean forced to constantly defend, your right. But i guess that fact doesnt fit your bullshit story that well eh. Thread is over for me, do what you want you attention seeking little dick.
No ones knocking you for helping others, it's the fact you have a new argument literally every day with a different forum member lol Reaching 'platinum level' is a great achievement anyway, you should wear that with pride! You know what, you keep stroking your dick in public, im done with this shit. The low level it requires to derail a thread like this in this way, only reflects on you lot. Beyond pathetic, and taking needy behaviours to new realms. If by new arguement, you mean forced to constantly defend, your right. But i guess that fact doesnt fit your bullshit story that well eh. Thread is over for me, do what you want you attention seeking little dick. Haha do you see what I mean?.... |
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