Urban Art Association

Ok cool, there are a few people interested, so ill try and get over there today and grab some pics.

Wish i knew! Im probably going to use discogs prices if i cant get any recent sales info and go from there. 

Did you get any pics of you on the e bike? lol

Thanks for your input. Very useful.

Priced them lower than discogs, which is all i have to go on really. If you have more info, maybe try sharing it. These arent mine, im selling for the family of a dead friend of mine. 

I can only do so much, ive put 6 months of my time into sorting this out for them, maybe try helping if you know so much, rather than make pointless tosser comments. 

Im happy to hear offers too though. As i said in my original post. 

Yeah whatever buddy. I helped build discogs database before it had a marketplace, at one point, i was one of their 20 biggest sellers. Wind your neck in. Your no genius yourself mate. 

Maybe just stay away and let me get on with helping someone out. 

Lol and yet there you are with you passive aggressive input. Im helping someone out, and again, its out with the snarky comments. Why do i need to listen to that shit. Then they and you follow up with the low level gaslighting to boot. Nah man, bollox. I come here and help artists and dead past members, and all i get is this bullshit. 

You sure its me thats hostile rather than (certain parts of) the forum? I know how not to take the bullshit, but thats defensive, not hostile. 

Apparently so yes.

Did you really need to do that here though?  Bit weak all things considered. 

Toddle of now will you. your just embarrassing yourself at this point. 

Is the blur think tank a special edition one?

Funny thing about this place, some have been here for a very long time, under different accounts. Ive been here donkeys years, and on so many occasions i cant count, have stood by Roy while half the forum attacked his every move. Not really what i expected from him, but i guess he felt the need to feel important with the other people, trying to drag a thread down that is selling the pieces of a dead past member. 

No, i dont really need the advice, it wasnt advice anyway, it was wanky snipping, for the sake of it. But i guess you want to step in too? Id far rather if your not interested, you dont bother to comment thanks.

Offers are fine though. if you dont also just want to fuck over their chance to realise the asset value he left behind for them? 

Youve got me there, what should i be looking for? 

I had a look on discogs, its not the 180 gram version no. I still want to go check that  its not the warner rerelease now though apparently. It looks like the original though. Nice one for that, didnt spot the other version first time round.

I think so, also not sure he would have bothered with the repress. Will give it a check if i get an offer though. 

Cheers, hopefully it gets easier! 

Not too sure if they still are.

But even if not, it remains unfortunate that they ever were.



1.  In large part, this will be down to market ignorance.

There are substantial numbers of clueless enthusiasts who believe the use of Banksy's artwork was authorised. In other words, that these records are genuine Banksy collectibles, and therefore worth the investment of tens, or hundreds, or even thousands of pounds.

In fact, the numbers of clueless enthusiasts, among both private collectors and art‑world professionals, are such that they long‑ago reached a critical mass — a critical mass of dupes and fools which allowed for a blind leading the blind scenario to continue to perpetuate itself.

Google searches will reveal the sheer scale of misattributions and other misinformation, including on auction house websites, about these items that feature stolen imagery.



2.  An additional explanation would be market cynicism.

Here, we have a smaller proportion of individuals who actually are informed, as opposed to clueless. They are well aware that the Banksy imagery on these records was stolen. But they don't really care.

Presumably, this unscrupulous stance will in many cases be driven by self‑interest and greed.

Clearly, there are serious profits to be made in selling or reselling fakes — especially since they are frequently mistaken as authentic by the clueless enthusiasts referred to in point 1.



3.  This specific part of the Banksy-ephemera market seems to me like a house of cards just waiting to collapse.

Frankly, a single high-profile article, or a one‑liner from the artist himself, could easily become the catalyst for such a collapse.


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A separate issue I've previously raised:

Is it appropriate to allow the sale of fakes on this forum?



My own position is straightforward. It is based on a simple premise:

Stealing from artists is wrong.



Now, the above viewpoint does not strike me as being especially contentious.

[Nor does it seem contentious when, for the very same reason, Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black / Brandalised are almost universally panned for their own thieving of Banksy images.]



And if this viewpoint is accepted by others here as a reasonable position of principle and integrity, what naturally follows is that the Urban Art Association should also cease allowing itself to be used as a platform for the sale of fakes, forgeries and counterfeits.

This, for at least a few reasons:

(i)  the sale of fakes is not a great look for an art forum;

(ii)  such sales cause potential confusion among less-knowledgeable members, which could lead to those members making expensive purchase mistakes based on false assumptions of authenticity; and

(iii)  such sales serve to normalise and arguably legitimise thieving from artists.



I suspect the only ones who would take issue with this position are those who are conflicted, whose collections include fakes, and who therefore have a vested interest in an ongoing marketplace for fakes.