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Harland Miller’s market problems , by Georgie Poppit on Apr 8, 2024 16:44:53 GMT 1,  it
Harland Miller
b. 1964
In Shadows I Boogie
oil on canvas
signed and dated 2019 on the reverse
269.5 by 185.6 cm. 106⅛ by 73⅛ in.
Even though the markets are down generally it looks like Harland’s market is being hit more than most. This is the large original of In Shadows I boogie which including buyers premium made just over £40k.Its not a Penguin but surely has to be worth more than that. I reckon the Penguin copy cat artists are not helping. This sold at Sothebys Hong Kong last week for 444,500 HKD!
it Harland Miller b. 1964 In Shadows I Boogie oil on canvas signed and dated 2019 on the reverse 269.5 by 185.6 cm. 106⅛ by 73⅛ in. Even though the markets are down generally it looks like Harland’s market is being hit more than most. This is the large original of In Shadows I boogie which including buyers premium made just over £40k.Its not a Penguin but surely has to be worth more than that. I reckon the Penguin copy cat artists are not helping. This sold at Sothebys Hong Kong last week for 444,500 HKD! |
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by Poster Bob on Apr 8, 2024 16:49:06 GMT 1, Harland Miller does not have problems in addition to those of the general market. Most work is down 50% or more compared to all-time highs. This is a non-penguin work, nothing much to look at, and in the best case couldn’t see it breaking 6 figures. The idea that his market is down more than anyone else’s, and that amateurish copycats are eating up his market are baseless.
Harland Miller does not have problems in addition to those of the general market. Most work is down 50% or more compared to all-time highs. This is a non-penguin work, nothing much to look at, and in the best case couldn’t see it breaking 6 figures. The idea that his market is down more than anyone else’s, and that amateurish copycats are eating up his market are baseless.
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by Georgie Poppit on Apr 8, 2024 17:04:08 GMT 1, I’ve been closely following lots of artists and auctions and I’d say your ‘most work is down 50%’ comment is baseless. Can you provide evidence for your 50% reference?
I’ve been closely following lots of artists and auctions and I’d say your ‘most work is down 50%’ comment is baseless. Can you provide evidence for your 50% reference?
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by topper on Apr 8, 2024 18:20:27 GMT 1, HM is definitely down way more than most. I'm not saying he won't bounce back but this is an original, not some high edition glicee.
HM is definitely down way more than most. I'm not saying he won't bounce back but this is an original, not some high edition glicee.
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by Poster Bob on Apr 8, 2024 18:30:32 GMT 1, I’ve been closely following lots of artists and auctions and I’d say your ‘most work is down 50%’ comment is baseless. Can you provide evidence for your 50% reference?
I’ve been closely following lots of artists and auctions and I’d say your ‘most work is down 50%’ comment is baseless. Can you provide evidence for your 50% reference? After I receive your detailed analysis on Harland Miller bud. |
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by Riotcops on Apr 8, 2024 18:42:21 GMT 1, As a HM collector, I think he has been down more than others. I don't believe copycats are affecting it at all. You shouldn't have 100"+ canvases selling for 15% of primary and equal to what prints were selling for in recent years. Everyones down, he's being kicked.
As a HM collector, I think he has been down more than others. I don't believe copycats are affecting it at all. You shouldn't have 100"+ canvases selling for 15% of primary and equal to what prints were selling for in recent years. Everyones down, he's being kicked.
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by LJCal on Apr 8, 2024 22:02:32 GMT 1, It's a crap work that's over sized, his works aren't going to institutions so most will end up in people's homes meaning anything over low 2m is prohibitively large. The large penguins are just over 2m and probably you can pick up a really good one for about £100-120k right now, so for me this piece sold for the right money. I doubt it would have gone for more than £80k at the peak,
It's a crap work that's over sized, his works aren't going to institutions so most will end up in people's homes meaning anything over low 2m is prohibitively large. The large penguins are just over 2m and probably you can pick up a really good one for about £100-120k right now, so for me this piece sold for the right money. I doubt it would have gone for more than £80k at the peak,
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by Riotcops on Apr 8, 2024 23:44:39 GMT 1, It's a crap work that's over sized, his works aren't going to institutions so most will end up in people's homes meaning anything over low 2m is prohibitively large. The large penguins are just over 2m and probably you can pick up a really good one for about £100-120k right now, so for me this piece sold for the right money. I doubt it would have gone for more than £80k at the peak,
There's just no world where these primary vs secondary prices make sense.
It's a crap work that's over sized, his works aren't going to institutions so most will end up in people's homes meaning anything over low 2m is prohibitively large. The large penguins are just over 2m and probably you can pick up a really good one for about £100-120k right now, so for me this piece sold for the right money. I doubt it would have gone for more than £80k at the peak, I don't like it either, but it's arguably better (being his book cover and all) than the last solo exhibition which had this size priced at £175k (and for some reason £275k at the gallery in person). There's just no world where these primary vs secondary prices make sense. |
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by LJCal on Apr 9, 2024 1:17:34 GMT 1, It's a crap work that's over sized, his works aren't going to institutions so most will end up in people's homes meaning anything over low 2m is prohibitively large. The large penguins are just over 2m and probably you can pick up a really good one for about £100-120k right now, so for me this piece sold for the right money. I doubt it would have gone for more than £80k at the peak, I don't like it either, but it's arguably better (being his book cover and all) than the last solo exhibition which had this size priced at £175k (and for some reason £275k at the gallery in person). There's just no world where these primary vs secondary prices make sense.
It's a crap work that's over sized, his works aren't going to institutions so most will end up in people's homes meaning anything over low 2m is prohibitively large. The large penguins are just over 2m and probably you can pick up a really good one for about £100-120k right now, so for me this piece sold for the right money. I doubt it would have gone for more than £80k at the peak, I don't like it either, but it's arguably better (being his book cover and all) than the last solo exhibition which had this size priced at £175k (and for some reason £275k at the gallery in person). There's just no world where these primary vs secondary prices make sense. White Cube are doing zero sales for HM right now, they'll offer big discounts but probably won't go below 25% so no one is buying. |
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by LJCal on Apr 9, 2024 1:23:02 GMT 1, 
For reference this is a similar (I would argue better) work sold near the peak for $81,000 (about £62,000), so I'd say the result for this isn't bad at all.
For reference this is a similar (I would argue better) work sold near the peak for $81,000 (about £62,000), so I'd say the result for this isn't bad at all. |
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by JL Broooks on Apr 10, 2024 21:42:25 GMT 1, 
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by LJCal on Apr 10, 2024 21:52:07 GMT 1, Always surprises me what people for this one, so many better options for less right now.
Always surprises me what people for this one, so many better options for less right now. |
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by Georgie Poppit on Apr 11, 2024 9:19:59 GMT 1, It’s a tricky situation for White Cube now everyone knows you can pay significantly less for a Harland painting on secondary than the silly figures the try and charge for primary. The last 3 times I contacted WC about buying art nobody came back to me at all. Maybe they’re doing so well they don’t need to get back to people.
It’s a tricky situation for White Cube now everyone knows you can pay significantly less for a Harland painting on secondary than the silly figures the try and charge for primary. The last 3 times I contacted WC about buying art nobody came back to me at all. Maybe they’re doing so well they don’t need to get back to people.
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by from mjolnir on Apr 11, 2024 10:05:31 GMT 1, It’s a tricky situation for White Cube now everyone knows you can pay significantly less for a Harland painting on secondary than the silly figures the try and charge for primary. The last 3 times I contacted WC about buying art nobody came back to me at all. Maybe they’re doing so well they don’t need to get back to people.
It’s a tricky situation for White Cube now everyone knows you can pay significantly less for a Harland painting on secondary than the silly figures the try and charge for primary. The last 3 times I contacted WC about buying art nobody came back to me at all. Maybe they’re doing so well they don’t need to get back to people. There's a good Artnet article talking about the rationales behind this. Some people saying that would rather overpay at primary to get taken to fancy dinners, events and networking by the galleries rather than getting nothing from buying at the auction houses ... |
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by Newar on Apr 11, 2024 10:22:25 GMT 1, It’s a tricky situation for White Cube now everyone knows you can pay significantly less for a Harland painting on secondary than the silly figures the try and charge for primary. The last 3 times I contacted WC about buying art nobody came back to me at all. Maybe they’re doing so well they don’t need to get back to people. There's a good Artnet article talking about the rationales behind this. Some people saying that would rather overpay at primary to get taken to fancy dinners, events and networking by the galleries rather than getting nothing from buying at the auction houses ...
It’s a tricky situation for White Cube now everyone knows you can pay significantly less for a Harland painting on secondary than the silly figures the try and charge for primary. The last 3 times I contacted WC about buying art nobody came back to me at all. Maybe they’re doing so well they don’t need to get back to people. There's a good Artnet article talking about the rationales behind this. Some people saying that would rather overpay at primary to get taken to fancy dinners, events and networking by the galleries rather than getting nothing from buying at the auction houses ... It more concern the new generation of collector with plenty pockets (and there are many of them ). Networking is key in collecting and this permit to fastrack access to other art work |
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by JL Broooks on Apr 11, 2024 12:00:48 GMT 1, It’s a tricky situation for White Cube now everyone knows you can pay significantly less for a Harland painting on secondary than the silly figures the try and charge for primary. The last 3 times I contacted WC about buying art nobody came back to me at all. Maybe they’re doing so well they don’t need to get back to people. There's a good Artnet article talking about the rationales behind this. Some people saying that would rather overpay at primary to get taken to fancy dinners, events and networking by the galleries rather than getting nothing from buying at the auction houses ...
100% this. I would always be willing to pay 20-30% more to a gallery vs an auction house for a painting from the same artist. As you say - you create relations with the gallery, and secondly you get a new / fresh painting that hasn't gone its rounds in auctions.
It’s a tricky situation for White Cube now everyone knows you can pay significantly less for a Harland painting on secondary than the silly figures the try and charge for primary. The last 3 times I contacted WC about buying art nobody came back to me at all. Maybe they’re doing so well they don’t need to get back to people. There's a good Artnet article talking about the rationales behind this. Some people saying that would rather overpay at primary to get taken to fancy dinners, events and networking by the galleries rather than getting nothing from buying at the auction houses ... 100% this. I would always be willing to pay 20-30% more to a gallery vs an auction house for a painting from the same artist. As you say - you create relations with the gallery, and secondly you get a new / fresh painting that hasn't gone its rounds in auctions. |
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by mojo on Apr 11, 2024 13:46:20 GMT 1, Maybe it's the 'Samba' effect? It was widely reported that a certain unelected PM owns a work by Harland Miller.
Maybe it's the 'Samba' effect? It was widely reported that a certain unelected PM owns a work by Harland Miller.
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Harland Miller’s market problems , by STP on Apr 11, 2024 14:54:46 GMT 1, Maybe it's the 'Samba' effect? It was widely reported that a certain unelected PM owns a work by Harland Miller. 
Maybe it's the 'Samba' effect? It was widely reported that a certain unelected PM owns a work by Harland Miller. |
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