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WCP The West Country Prince, by JD on Nov 26, 2013 12:17:34 GMT 1, Brilliant The only thing in this thread worth reading... That was fantastic! +1 great post BRILLIANT THANKS sorry edit. the penquin link above
Brilliant The only thing in this thread worth reading... That was fantastic! +1 great post BRILLIANT THANKS sorry edit. the penquin link above
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WCP The West Country Prince, by balibob on Nov 26, 2013 12:23:54 GMT 1, oh man the logo design one always makes me laugh Very, very funny.
oh man the logo design one always makes me laugh Very, very funny.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by johnnyh on Nov 26, 2013 18:17:07 GMT 1, There has been a lot said on whether Banksy allows his images etc to be used or if he cares.
So I thought I would put it to the test using points from the discussions on here.
So I wrote to Pest control and asked them could I use the images and create prints
Below is my email to them and below that is there email in response. So I think it's pretty conclusive what he or Pest Controls response is when asked. So think the promotion of these copies should be banned on here.
On 25 Nov 2013, at 22:08, J H<55324> wrote:
Hi I am based in China and am in the process of setting up a small gallery.
I have been told that the Banksy images are not copyright protected but wanted to ask anyway.
I would like to use the flower thrower from Lita as part of my gallery logo.
I would also like to reproduce some of the Banksy prints and sell them not at a high price may be about 50$US because people in China cannot buy Banksy prints as they are too expensive in the international market. I will only sell locally and will put on the back that they are not an official Banksy. Will also only sell in China not internationally or eBay.
Hope this is ok. Really love Banksy. He is now very interesting in China. Let us know if he will come here. We can make som arrangements because he cannot just paint anywhere in China. Not like U K or America
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Hi ,
The information you have been given is incorrect. Banksy's images are copyrighted and his intellectual property. Images are not licensed for logos nor commercial products/ merchandise of any sort. We will not give permission for Banksy's images to be used in the way you describe.
Good luck with the gallery,
Customer Services PCO customerservices@pestcontroloffice.com
There has been a lot said on whether Banksy allows his images etc to be used or if he cares.
So I thought I would put it to the test using points from the discussions on here.
So I wrote to Pest control and asked them could I use the images and create prints
Below is my email to them and below that is there email in response. So I think it's pretty conclusive what he or Pest Controls response is when asked. So think the promotion of these copies should be banned on here.
On 25 Nov 2013, at 22:08, J H<55324> wrote:
Hi I am based in China and am in the process of setting up a small gallery.
I have been told that the Banksy images are not copyright protected but wanted to ask anyway.
I would like to use the flower thrower from Lita as part of my gallery logo.
I would also like to reproduce some of the Banksy prints and sell them not at a high price may be about 50$US because people in China cannot buy Banksy prints as they are too expensive in the international market. I will only sell locally and will put on the back that they are not an official Banksy. Will also only sell in China not internationally or eBay.
Hope this is ok. Really love Banksy. He is now very interesting in China. Let us know if he will come here. We can make som arrangements because he cannot just paint anywhere in China. Not like U K or America
Best
Hi ,
The information you have been given is incorrect. Banksy's images are copyrighted and his intellectual property. Images are not licensed for logos nor commercial products/ merchandise of any sort. We will not give permission for Banksy's images to be used in the way you describe.
Good luck with the gallery,
Customer Services PCO customerservices@pestcontroloffice.com
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WCP The West Country Prince, by kbfrombk on Nov 26, 2013 18:22:28 GMT 1,
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 18:24:53 GMT 1, So there, WCP fake Banksy prints are just that, and as such should not be promoted on this board.
So there, WCP fake Banksy prints are just that, and as such should not be promoted on this board.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by t3c on Nov 26, 2013 18:26:09 GMT 1, lol'd at "We can make som arrangements because he cannot just paint anywhere in China. Not like U K or America"
lol'd at "We can make som arrangements because he cannot just paint anywhere in China. Not like U K or America"
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 18:26:34 GMT 1, There has been a lot said on whether Banksy allows his images etc to be used or if he cares. So I thought I would put it to the test using points from the discussions on here. So I wrote to Pest control and asked them could I use the images and create prints Below is my email to them and below that is there email in response. So I think it's pretty conclusive what he or Pest Controls response is when asked. So think the promotion of these copies should be banned on here. On 25 Nov 2013, at 22:08, J H<55324> wrote: Hi I am based in China and am in the process of setting up a small gallery. I have been told that the Banksy images are not copyright protected but wanted to ask anyway. I would like to use the flower thrower from Lita as part of my gallery logo. I would also like to reproduce some of the Banksy prints and sell them not at a high price may be about 50$US because people in China cannot buy Banksy prints as they are too expensive in the international market. I will only sell locally and will put on the back that they are not an official Banksy. Will also only sell in China not internationally or eBay. Hope this is ok. Really love Banksy. He is now very interesting in China. Let us know if he will come here. We can make som arrangements because he cannot just paint anywhere in China. Not like U K or America Best Hi , The information you have been given is incorrect. Banksy's images are copyrighted and his intellectual property. Images are not licensed for logos nor commercial products/ merchandise of any sort. We will not give permission for Banksy's images to be used in the way you describe. Good luck with the gallery, Customer Services PCO customerservices@pestcontroloffice.com
LOL, nice one!
I know for a fact Banksy trademarked his name in the US. So the idea that he doesn't care about copyright or protecting 'the brand' is not accurate.
I found it funny he put the 'R' registered mark on his print your own tshirt. Although I have a feeling he misused his own trademark, as it was for his name and the I balloon NY, did not say Banksy I am pretty sure he did not TM that slogan.
So not oy does he care about protecting, like many brands he also is pushing the limit as to what is covered under his mark.
There has been a lot said on whether Banksy allows his images etc to be used or if he cares. So I thought I would put it to the test using points from the discussions on here. So I wrote to Pest control and asked them could I use the images and create prints Below is my email to them and below that is there email in response. So I think it's pretty conclusive what he or Pest Controls response is when asked. So think the promotion of these copies should be banned on here. On 25 Nov 2013, at 22:08, J H<55324> wrote: Hi I am based in China and am in the process of setting up a small gallery. I have been told that the Banksy images are not copyright protected but wanted to ask anyway. I would like to use the flower thrower from Lita as part of my gallery logo. I would also like to reproduce some of the Banksy prints and sell them not at a high price may be about 50$US because people in China cannot buy Banksy prints as they are too expensive in the international market. I will only sell locally and will put on the back that they are not an official Banksy. Will also only sell in China not internationally or eBay. Hope this is ok. Really love Banksy. He is now very interesting in China. Let us know if he will come here. We can make som arrangements because he cannot just paint anywhere in China. Not like U K or America Best Hi , The information you have been given is incorrect. Banksy's images are copyrighted and his intellectual property. Images are not licensed for logos nor commercial products/ merchandise of any sort. We will not give permission for Banksy's images to be used in the way you describe. Good luck with the gallery, Customer Services PCO customerservices@pestcontroloffice.com LOL, nice one! I know for a fact Banksy trademarked his name in the US. So the idea that he doesn't care about copyright or protecting 'the brand' is not accurate. I found it funny he put the 'R' registered mark on his print your own tshirt. Although I have a feeling he misused his own trademark, as it was for his name and the I balloon NY, did not say Banksy I am pretty sure he did not TM that slogan. So not oy does he care about protecting, like many brands he also is pushing the limit as to what is covered under his mark.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by kbfrombk on Nov 26, 2013 18:26:50 GMT 1, Not that I'm personally or financially invested either way, but I would think that - as from a noob's POV such as mine - the policy on not promoting eBay sales should be pretty congruent with a policy against promoting unsanctioned fakery.
Word?
Not that I'm personally or financially invested either way, but I would think that - as from a noob's POV such as mine - the policy on not promoting eBay sales should be pretty congruent with a policy against promoting unsanctioned fakery.
Word?
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WCP The West Country Prince, by iamzero on Nov 26, 2013 18:26:58 GMT 1, Just because they haven't given permission doesn't mean a thing, it just means they don't care. They can't stop it without a cease and decist letter from a solicitor and let's face it that's not gonna happen. Someone is making copy prints and there's nothing you can do... Get over it. It clearly doesn't affect the market value of genuine stuff.
Just because they haven't given permission doesn't mean a thing, it just means they don't care. They can't stop it without a cease and decist letter from a solicitor and let's face it that's not gonna happen. Someone is making copy prints and there's nothing you can do... Get over it. It clearly doesn't affect the market value of genuine stuff.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 18:28:20 GMT 1, Should fake Banksy prints really be allowed to be advertised and promoted on a Banksy forum though?, not IMO.
Should fake Banksy prints really be allowed to be advertised and promoted on a Banksy forum though?, not IMO.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by kbfrombk on Nov 26, 2013 18:30:58 GMT 1, Just because they haven't given permission doesn't mean a thing, it just means they don't care. They can't stop it without a cease and decist letter from a solicitor and let's face it that's not gonna happen. Someone is making copy prints and there's nothing you can do... Get over it. It clearly doesn't affect the market value of genuine stuff. you are zero correct. I do think it means 'a thing', on this forum. This is a place that censors curse words in posts, motherfucker!!
Just because they haven't given permission doesn't mean a thing, it just means they don't care. They can't stop it without a cease and decist letter from a solicitor and let's face it that's not gonna happen. Someone is making copy prints and there's nothing you can do... Get over it. It clearly doesn't affect the market value of genuine stuff. you are zero correct. I do think it means 'a thing', on this forum. This is a place that censors curse words in posts, motherfucker!!
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WCP The West Country Prince, by johnnyh on Nov 26, 2013 18:33:02 GMT 1, Just because they haven't given permission doesn't mean a thing, it just means they don't care. They can't stop it without a cease and decist letter from a solicitor and let's face it that's not gonna happen. Someone is making copy prints and there's nothing you can do... Get over it. It clearly doesn't affect the market value of genuine stuff. Whether he or they take legal action or send cease and desist for abuse not is irrelevant. The point is he does not give permission and they do care or why bother responding and pretty quickly as well. there existence is to a certain extent irrelevant just do not believe they should be promoted on here as they are fakes
Just because they haven't given permission doesn't mean a thing, it just means they don't care. They can't stop it without a cease and decist letter from a solicitor and let's face it that's not gonna happen. Someone is making copy prints and there's nothing you can do... Get over it. It clearly doesn't affect the market value of genuine stuff. Whether he or they take legal action or send cease and desist for abuse not is irrelevant. The point is he does not give permission and they do care or why bother responding and pretty quickly as well. there existence is to a certain extent irrelevant just do not believe they should be promoted on here as they are fakes
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WCP The West Country Prince, by otomi on Nov 26, 2013 18:35:13 GMT 1, I think it does affect the value specially of unsigned prints. Every time I see an unsigned print now I think WCP. (you can't see the stamp on the back once it is framed) And I'm sure many people that would have bought an 1k pound unsigned print just got a fake one.
I think it does affect the value specially of unsigned prints. Every time I see an unsigned print now I think WCP. (you can't see the stamp on the back once it is framed) And I'm sure many people that would have bought an 1k pound unsigned print just got a fake one.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Quinnster on Nov 26, 2013 18:36:38 GMT 1, It would solve a lot of problems if he Blind stamped them or printed WCP in the front.
I'm now very bored of these threads except the penguin bit that was brilliant.
It would solve a lot of problems if he Blind stamped them or printed WCP in the front.
I'm now very bored of these threads except the penguin bit that was brilliant.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by iamzero on Nov 26, 2013 18:38:35 GMT 1, I think it does affect the value specially of unsigned prints. Every time I see an unsigned print now I think WCP. (you can't see the stamp on the back once it is framed) And I'm sure many people that would have bought an 1k pound unsigned print just got a fake one.
So in a twisted way do you think that it's helped in making people more aware of fake prints?
I think it does affect the value specially of unsigned prints. Every time I see an unsigned print now I think WCP. (you can't see the stamp on the back once it is framed) And I'm sure many people that would have bought an 1k pound unsigned print just got a fake one. So in a twisted way do you think that it's helped in making people more aware of fake prints?
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WCP The West Country Prince, by iamzero on Nov 26, 2013 18:39:07 GMT 1, It would solve a lot of problems if he Blind stamped them or printed WCP in the front. I'm now very bored of these threads except the penguin bit that was brilliant.
Agreed dude.
It would solve a lot of problems if he Blind stamped them or printed WCP in the front. I'm now very bored of these threads except the penguin bit that was brilliant. Agreed dude.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by iamzero on Nov 26, 2013 18:41:23 GMT 1, Be interesting to know what pow would say if you asked them if Banksy actually signed every single print of every edition himself?
Be interesting to know what pow would say if you asked them if Banksy actually signed every single print of every edition himself?
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 18:42:14 GMT 1, I think it does affect the value specially of unsigned prints. Every time I see an unsigned print now I think WCP. (you can't see the stamp on the back once it is framed) And I'm sure many people that would have bought an 1k pound unsigned print just got a fake one. So in a twisted way do you think that it's helped in making people more aware of fake prints? Yup, esp. those who bought one.
I think it does affect the value specially of unsigned prints. Every time I see an unsigned print now I think WCP. (you can't see the stamp on the back once it is framed) And I'm sure many people that would have bought an 1k pound unsigned print just got a fake one. So in a twisted way do you think that it's helped in making people more aware of fake prints? Yup, esp. those who bought one.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Happy Shopper on Nov 26, 2013 18:43:05 GMT 1, I think it does affect the value specially of unsigned prints. Every time I see an unsigned print now I think WCP. (you can't see the stamp on the back once it is framed) And I'm sure many people that would have bought an 1k pound unsigned print just got a fake one. So in a twisted way do you think that it's helped in making people more aware of fake prints? Like being mugged reminds you you're walking in a dangerous area?
I think it does affect the value specially of unsigned prints. Every time I see an unsigned print now I think WCP. (you can't see the stamp on the back once it is framed) And I'm sure many people that would have bought an 1k pound unsigned print just got a fake one. So in a twisted way do you think that it's helped in making people more aware of fake prints? Like being mugged reminds you you're walking in a dangerous area?
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WCP The West Country Prince, by maxf on Nov 26, 2013 18:52:59 GMT 1, Be interesting to know what pow would say if you asked them if Banksy actually signed every single print of every edition himself?
Lol - yes!
Be interesting to know what pow would say if you asked them if Banksy actually signed every single print of every edition himself? Lol - yes!
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WCP The West Country Prince, by randomname on Nov 26, 2013 19:23:13 GMT 1, Just because they haven't given permission doesn't mean a thing, it just means they don't care. They can't stop it without a cease and decist letter from a solicitor and let's face it that's not gonna happen. Someone is making copy prints and there's nothing you can do... Get over it. It clearly doesn't affect the market value of genuine stuff. I'm not sure how you got from "Banksy's images are copyrighted and his intellectual property. Images are not licensed for logos nor commercial products/ merchandise of any sort..." to "...it just means they don't care."
Those two statements are mutually exclusive.
On his old site, Banksy also had a gallery of high-res images for people to download and print themselves. The only caveat was that you could not sell those images. So it's pretty conclusive that Banksy doesn't want people printing and selling his images.
The only problem for Banksy is he can't enforce his copyrights and remain anonymous. To enforce his copyrights, he would have to prove that he is the owner of his intellectual property. That means proving his identity.
For Pest Control to enforce his copyrights, they would have to prove they have the legal authority to represent Bansky, which would also require him to prove his identity.
If you were defending WCP prints based on your assumption that Banksy doesn't care, you might want to rethink that. If you're defending them because you don't respect intellectual property and don't think it's unethical to steal that property, that's entirely different.
Just because they haven't given permission doesn't mean a thing, it just means they don't care. They can't stop it without a cease and decist letter from a solicitor and let's face it that's not gonna happen. Someone is making copy prints and there's nothing you can do... Get over it. It clearly doesn't affect the market value of genuine stuff. I'm not sure how you got from "Banksy's images are copyrighted and his intellectual property. Images are not licensed for logos nor commercial products/ merchandise of any sort..." to "...it just means they don't care." Those two statements are mutually exclusive. On his old site, Banksy also had a gallery of high-res images for people to download and print themselves. The only caveat was that you could not sell those images. So it's pretty conclusive that Banksy doesn't want people printing and selling his images. The only problem for Banksy is he can't enforce his copyrights and remain anonymous. To enforce his copyrights, he would have to prove that he is the owner of his intellectual property. That means proving his identity. For Pest Control to enforce his copyrights, they would have to prove they have the legal authority to represent Bansky, which would also require him to prove his identity. If you were defending WCP prints based on your assumption that Banksy doesn't care, you might want to rethink that. If you're defending them because you don't respect intellectual property and don't think it's unethical to steal that property, that's entirely different.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 19:36:16 GMT 1, So there, WCP fake Banksy prints are just that, and as such should not be promoted on this board.
Bit late or that as its mainly the people who hate WCP and don't want to promote his stuff who are the ones keeping this thread going and....err....promoting his stuff.
There's no such thing as bad publicity (except maybe for anyone trying to sell Rolf Harris's art!!)
So there, WCP fake Banksy prints are just that, and as such should not be promoted on this board. Bit late or that as its mainly the people who hate WCP and don't want to promote his stuff who are the ones keeping this thread going and....err....promoting his stuff. There's no such thing as bad publicity (except maybe for anyone trying to sell Rolf Harris's art!!)
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 19:53:25 GMT 1, Im confused, why did you make up a fake story and contact pest control with it? Why not just say this is whats happening and see what they do about, well done for wasting their time and which gallery used liita as part of their "logo"
Im confused, why did you make up a fake story and contact pest control with it? Why not just say this is whats happening and see what they do about, well done for wasting their time and which gallery used liita as part of their "logo"
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WCP The West Country Prince, by johnnyh on Nov 26, 2013 20:02:19 GMT 1, Because may be it would have brought an inaccurate answer. This was a straight request for permission to use in an area where he does not really sell. So as well as the permission argument and whether he agrees. It also covers your argument about increased circulation of images..eg he wants supports that is plainly not the case.
I may be am going to set up a small gallery here so it's not untrue
Because may be it would have brought an inaccurate answer. This was a straight request for permission to use in an area where he does not really sell. So as well as the permission argument and whether he agrees. It also covers your argument about increased circulation of images..eg he wants supports that is plainly not the case.
I may be am going to set up a small gallery here so it's not untrue
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 20:10:25 GMT 1, You know what fair enough, everyones entitled to their opinion, just to be clear I was simply making a case of his work being more in the public eye, not the rights and wrongs, I still don't think its doing Banksy or his originals any harm but each to their own
You know what fair enough, everyones entitled to their opinion, just to be clear I was simply making a case of his work being more in the public eye, not the rights and wrongs, I still don't think its doing Banksy or his originals any harm but each to their own
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WCP The West Country Prince, by johnnyh on Nov 26, 2013 20:22:04 GMT 1, Sorry fella was not trying to have a go at you or your gallery etc. I know you do not sell or promote fakes etc. However as mentioned yesterday I do think you should learn a bit more about copyright and image protection as you seemed to genuinely miss the point. So no offence was intended Others on here however do support the selling of these fakes which is their business and Banksy's to stop but I do not believe they should be allowed to be promoted on this forum. So I hoped this had shown that regardless of what had been said there is not permission to use his images commercially.
Sorry fella was not trying to have a go at you or your gallery etc. I know you do not sell or promote fakes etc. However as mentioned yesterday I do think you should learn a bit more about copyright and image protection as you seemed to genuinely miss the point. So no offence was intended Others on here however do support the selling of these fakes which is their business and Banksy's to stop but I do not believe they should be allowed to be promoted on this forum. So I hoped this had shown that regardless of what had been said there is not permission to use his images commercially.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by iamzero on Nov 26, 2013 20:25:43 GMT 1, Maybe I used the don't care comment a little inaccurately, I think if they really cared or thought it was doing brand Banksy any damage then they would take legal action... Which they won't do. So my point is if they're not that arsed about it why should anybody on here get out their pram. Just wondering if anyone on here that's appears to be so annoyed with non sanctioned Banksy images goes into those cheap stores selling canvass and starts protesting?
Not promoting them but just can't see the fuss but would agree with the earlier comment about blind stamp them to help stop naive people getting caught out but to be honest if you're parting with all that money at least take the thing out if the frame to check.
Maybe I used the don't care comment a little inaccurately, I think if they really cared or thought it was doing brand Banksy any damage then they would take legal action... Which they won't do. So my point is if they're not that arsed about it why should anybody on here get out their pram. Just wondering if anyone on here that's appears to be so annoyed with non sanctioned Banksy images goes into those cheap stores selling canvass and starts protesting?
Not promoting them but just can't see the fuss but would agree with the earlier comment about blind stamp them to help stop naive people getting caught out but to be honest if you're parting with all that money at least take the thing out if the frame to check.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 20:27:01 GMT 1, No worries, your defending something you believe in, no harm done and good luck with your gallery if you go ahead
No worries, your defending something you believe in, no harm done and good luck with your gallery if you go ahead
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WCP The West Country Prince, by johnnyh on Nov 26, 2013 20:31:34 GMT 1, Iamzero it's about fakes being promoted on this forum not whether they exist or don't exist in markets and on eBay etc. that's Banksy/Pest Controls problem
Iamzero it's about fakes being promoted on this forum not whether they exist or don't exist in markets and on eBay etc. that's Banksy/Pest Controls problem
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Sweetcorn on Nov 26, 2013 20:43:35 GMT 1, Iamzero it's about fakes being promoted on this forum not whether they exist or don't exist in markets and on eBay etc. that's Banksy/Pest Controls problem Fake and reproduction mean 2 totally different things
Iamzero it's about fakes being promoted on this forum not whether they exist or don't exist in markets and on eBay etc. that's Banksy/Pest Controls problem Fake and reproduction mean 2 totally different things
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