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WCP The West Country Prince, by johnnyh on Nov 26, 2013 21:01:40 GMT 1, Iamzero it's about fakes being promoted on this forum not whether they exist or don't exist in markets and on eBay etc. that's Banksy/Pest Controls problem Fake and reproduction mean 2 totally different things That may as be but maybe as with the. Pest Control email my source is better than yours
Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26am thewestcountryprince said: Orange nola & Laugh now - listed.
Along with the last ones of the older runs.
Last listings this year - get them while there fake
Iamzero it's about fakes being promoted on this forum not whether they exist or don't exist in markets and on eBay etc. that's Banksy/Pest Controls problem Fake and reproduction mean 2 totally different things That may as be but maybe as with the. Pest Control email my source is better than yours Nov 23, 2013 at 12:26am thewestcountryprince said: Orange nola & Laugh now - listed. Along with the last ones of the older runs. Last listings this year - get them while there fake
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WCP The West Country Prince, by iamzero on Nov 26, 2013 21:30:13 GMT 1, The point about fakes being different to reproductions will fall on deaf ears as I've tried to point out on a previous version of this thread. You have your opinions and you can have as many emails from PC as you want but you have a gallery owner here telling you WCP makes no difference to the market and you continue to believe what you believe.
But please don't belittle people for wanting these images on their wall dude... That's dictatorship and very very bad. Just smile and be happy that Banksy is so popular and prices of your personal prints continue to rise so you can snear at us peasants that didn't get onboard quick enough... Or didn't happen to be brown nosing the staff at POW.
The point about fakes being different to reproductions will fall on deaf ears as I've tried to point out on a previous version of this thread. You have your opinions and you can have as many emails from PC as you want but you have a gallery owner here telling you WCP makes no difference to the market and you continue to believe what you believe.
But please don't belittle people for wanting these images on their wall dude... That's dictatorship and very very bad. Just smile and be happy that Banksy is so popular and prices of your personal prints continue to rise so you can snear at us peasants that didn't get onboard quick enough... Or didn't happen to be brown nosing the staff at POW.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by johnnyh on Nov 26, 2013 21:54:23 GMT 1, Not sneering at anybody, Download a pic and produce your own. Does not need to be a fake print. Take to pic shop they can do some great things get it framed done deal. Buy one of these if that's your thing.
Not about the market or prices so stick to the point these fakes should not be promoted on here. What happens on eBay and Camden market etc I really could not give a hoot about. As said countless times that's PC and Banksy's problem. Just do not think this should be the place for fakes call em repros, homages what you like but like the rest of the stuff on eBay I know, you know etc etc they are fakes.
Not sneering at anybody, Download a pic and produce your own. Does not need to be a fake print. Take to pic shop they can do some great things get it framed done deal. Buy one of these if that's your thing.
Not about the market or prices so stick to the point these fakes should not be promoted on here. What happens on eBay and Camden market etc I really could not give a hoot about. As said countless times that's PC and Banksy's problem. Just do not think this should be the place for fakes call em repros, homages what you like but like the rest of the stuff on eBay I know, you know etc etc they are fakes.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 21:56:48 GMT 1, I'm pretty sure in a dictatorship those who make the rules (anti wcp?) would have absolute power therefore force others to have a moral code... If in fact you're feeling belittled that's more likely guilt.
I'm pretty sure in a dictatorship those who make the rules (anti wcp?) would have absolute power therefore force others to have a moral code... If in fact you're feeling belittled that's more likely guilt.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 22:00:28 GMT 1, Oh Jesus Christ, you know when badrobot starts bringing out his moral code mantra that the thread really has gone to sh*t !!!
Oh Jesus Christ, you know when badrobot starts bringing out his moral code mantra that the thread really has gone to sh*t !!!
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WCP The West Country Prince, by motor on Nov 26, 2013 22:04:43 GMT 1, Bit late or that as its mainly the people who hate WCP and don't want to promote his stuff who are the ones keeping this thread going and....err....promoting his stuff. There's no such thing as bad publicity (except maybe for anyone trying to sell Rolf Harris's art!!) Never too late. Finally, I feel some members here are starting to comprehend what is the main problem here. Thanks Johnnyh.
And trust me, there is a bad publicity (as you've mentioned).
Bit late or that as its mainly the people who hate WCP and don't want to promote his stuff who are the ones keeping this thread going and....err....promoting his stuff. There's no such thing as bad publicity (except maybe for anyone trying to sell Rolf Harris's art!!) Never too late. Finally, I feel some members here are starting to comprehend what is the main problem here. Thanks Johnnyh. And trust me, there is a bad publicity (as you've mentioned).
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 22:09:18 GMT 1, Oh Jesus Christ, you know when badrobot starts bringing out his moral code mantra that the thread really has gone to sh*t !!! don't think you'll ever shut me up
Oh Jesus Christ, you know when badrobot starts bringing out his moral code mantra that the thread really has gone to sh*t !!! don't think you'll ever shut me up
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 22:11:22 GMT 1, Well of course it's too late as this is probably the most active thread on the whole forum at the moment.
I have yet to see anyone on either side of the debate change their views due to what they have heard here. We're just going round and round in circles, exactly like the last WCP thread.
This free publicity has not hurt WCP at all. I'm sure if we found out that he was channelling his profits into funding a terrorist cell in London then that would be a different story but until then his reputation has not been hurt at all by anything that anyone on either side of the debate is saying here.
Well of course it's too late as this is probably the most active thread on the whole forum at the moment.
I have yet to see anyone on either side of the debate change their views due to what they have heard here. We're just going round and round in circles, exactly like the last WCP thread.
This free publicity has not hurt WCP at all. I'm sure if we found out that he was channelling his profits into funding a terrorist cell in London then that would be a different story but until then his reputation has not been hurt at all by anything that anyone on either side of the debate is saying here.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 22:15:31 GMT 1, As long as these get promoted here, they will also get slated here, simple, deal with it.
As long as these get promoted here, they will also get slated here, simple, deal with it.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 22:15:41 GMT 1, Oh Jesus Christ, you know when badrobot starts bringing out his moral code mantra that the thread really has gone to sh*t !!! don't think you'll ever shut me up
I wouldn't dream of it!
You're like the cantankerous old relative that comes round for Christmas, They might sit there pouring scorn on everyone and tell you how things were better in their day but it just wouldn't be the same without them
Obviously I'm not implying that you smell of wee though.
Oh Jesus Christ, you know when badrobot starts bringing out his moral code mantra that the thread really has gone to sh*t !!! don't think you'll ever shut me up I wouldn't dream of it! You're like the cantankerous old relative that comes round for Christmas, They might sit there pouring scorn on everyone and tell you how things were better in their day but it just wouldn't be the same without them Obviously I'm not implying that you smell of wee though.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 22:17:57 GMT 1, Guardian Interview : Banksy's attitude to brands is ambivalent - like Naomi Klein, he opposes corporate branding and has become his own brand in the process. Now, people are selling forged Banksies on the black market or stencil kits so we can produce our own Banksies. Does he mind being ripped off? "No," he says. "The thing is, I was a bootlegger for three years so I don't really have a leg to stand on."
Guardian Interview : Banksy's attitude to brands is ambivalent - like Naomi Klein, he opposes corporate branding and has become his own brand in the process. Now, people are selling forged Banksies on the black market or stencil kits so we can produce our own Banksies. Does he mind being ripped off? "No," he says. "The thing is, I was a bootlegger for three years so I don't really have a leg to stand on."
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WCP The West Country Prince, by randomname on Nov 26, 2013 22:18:52 GMT 1, my point is if they're not that arsed about it why should anybody on here get out their pram.
Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring.
Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that.
I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall.
That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job.
my point is if they're not that arsed about it why should anybody on here get out their pram. Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring. Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that. I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall. That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by motor on Nov 26, 2013 22:31:51 GMT 1, Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring. Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that.I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall. That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job. What you have said.
@amboguy, it is not about weeseepee reputation or hurting him (quite hard when people don't have a back bone). It's about this forum and some principles. But hey, this is not my forum. I am just a member here who feels passionate about art, artists and fucking parasites. @badrobot. Totally agree. Just to clear one thing - to deal with it - doesn't necessarily means to shut up and put the head in the sand, right?
Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring. Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that.I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall. That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job. What you have said. @amboguy, it is not about weeseepee reputation or hurting him (quite hard when people don't have a back bone). It's about this forum and some principles. But hey, this is not my forum. I am just a member here who feels passionate about art, artists and fucking parasites. @badrobot. Totally agree. Just to clear one thing - to deal with it - doesn't necessarily means to shut up and put the head in the sand, right?
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WCP The West Country Prince, by johnnyh on Nov 26, 2013 22:33:48 GMT 1, Well of course it's too late as this is probably the most active thread on the whole forum at the moment. I have yet to see anyone on either side of the debate change their views due to what they have heard here. We're just going round and round in circles, exactly like the last WCP thread. This free publicity has not hurt WCP at all. I'm sure if we found out that he was channelling his profits into funding a terrorist cell in London then that would be a different story but until then his reputation has not been hurt at all by anything that anyone on either side of the debate is saying here. That may as be Ambo but I do hope that the thread is read as many of the miss truths about these prints are being highlighted. Banksy does not mind, it's good promotion for him, people at POW are behind it. But this is about all fakes that should not be allowed on here.this is not ebay. Happmeal you want threads full of fakes on here really...not just about Banksy's includes strett pieces that are fake we have seen a few of those. I am really astounded that these are supported on here. Not that they exist etc just that people support them but you also must remember that they watch this forum and they have pals and members who place these supportive comments...people with vested interests etc
Well of course it's too late as this is probably the most active thread on the whole forum at the moment. I have yet to see anyone on either side of the debate change their views due to what they have heard here. We're just going round and round in circles, exactly like the last WCP thread. This free publicity has not hurt WCP at all. I'm sure if we found out that he was channelling his profits into funding a terrorist cell in London then that would be a different story but until then his reputation has not been hurt at all by anything that anyone on either side of the debate is saying here. That may as be Ambo but I do hope that the thread is read as many of the miss truths about these prints are being highlighted. Banksy does not mind, it's good promotion for him, people at POW are behind it. But this is about all fakes that should not be allowed on here.this is not ebay. Happmeal you want threads full of fakes on here really...not just about Banksy's includes strett pieces that are fake we have seen a few of those. I am really astounded that these are supported on here. Not that they exist etc just that people support them but you also must remember that they watch this forum and they have pals and members who place these supportive comments...people with vested interests etc
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WCP The West Country Prince, by motor on Nov 26, 2013 22:37:36 GMT 1, Guardian Interview : Banksy's attitude to brands is ambivalent - like Naomi Klein, he opposes corporate branding and has become his own brand in the process. Now, people are selling forged Banksies on the black market or stencil kits so we can produce our own Banksies. Does he mind being ripped off? "No," he says. "The thing is, I was a bootlegger for three years so I don't really have a leg to stand on." Yeah, good quote. But I don't see Banksy's attitude to brands or him minding to be ripped off as the main issue here.
As it has been said few times in this thread - it is about this kind of stuff being promoted here (and this goes not only for Banksy but for any artist).
I'm done.
Thank you.
Guardian Interview : Banksy's attitude to brands is ambivalent - like Naomi Klein, he opposes corporate branding and has become his own brand in the process. Now, people are selling forged Banksies on the black market or stencil kits so we can produce our own Banksies. Does he mind being ripped off? "No," he says. "The thing is, I was a bootlegger for three years so I don't really have a leg to stand on." Yeah, good quote. But I don't see Banksy's attitude to brands or him minding to be ripped off as the main issue here. As it has been said few times in this thread - it is about this kind of stuff being promoted here (and this goes not only for Banksy but for any artist). I'm done. Thank you.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Nov 26, 2013 22:38:07 GMT 1, WHATS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT? If you don't like the WCP prints then don't buy them...nuff said
WHATS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT? If you don't like the WCP prints then don't buy them...nuff said
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WCP The West Country Prince, by randomname on Nov 26, 2013 22:42:34 GMT 1, WHATS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT? If you don't like the WCP prints then don't buy them...nuff said Please refrain from comparing RAPE to anything else but RAPE.
It's one of those 3 rails we prefer not discussed on an art forum.
Thanks -
WHATS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT? If you don't like the WCP prints then don't buy them...nuff said Please refrain from comparing RAPE to anything else but RAPE. It's one of those 3 rails we prefer not discussed on an art forum. Thanks -
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 22:45:12 GMT 1, “People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.” ― Banksy
With all this trademarking and copyright of images and intelectual property rights I hope Banksy is not going against his own quote. - but don`t quote me on that as there is no way you are getting a quote off me for you or any future forum quote.
“People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.” ― Banksy
With all this trademarking and copyright of images and intelectual property rights I hope Banksy is not going against his own quote. - but don`t quote me on that as there is no way you are getting a quote off me for you or any future forum quote.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 22:54:48 GMT 1, Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring. Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that.I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall. That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job. What you have said. @amboguy, it is not about weeseepee reputation or hurting him (quite hard when people don't have a back bone). It's about this forum and some principles. But hey, this is not my forum. I am just a member here who feels passionate about art, artists and f**king parasites. @badrobot. Totally agree. Just to clear one thing - to deal with it - doesn't necessarily means to shut up and put the head in the sand, right?
'Weeseepee' ?
The point that I'm trying to get across is that you can be as passionate about WCP bringing out copies as you like but if you don't do anything about it then its a pointless exercise. Have you reported him to EBay? Have you contacted him to tell him that what you're doing is wrong? Venting off on a forum will not do anything except probably get more people to check his stuff out in eBay.
I'm afraid that all that is happening is that people who were thinking about buying one but weren't sure what the quality was like will be reading people complaining how they could be passed off as originals and thinking that they must be great copies.
I could go to almost any market in London and buy a knock off Banksy canvas for £10. Are they wrong too? How about the people using his name to flog a Banksy t-shirt for a fiver?
It's great that you're passionate about art but if you were to take on everyone selling knock off Banksys it would be a full time job.
Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring. Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that.I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall. That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job. What you have said. @amboguy, it is not about weeseepee reputation or hurting him (quite hard when people don't have a back bone). It's about this forum and some principles. But hey, this is not my forum. I am just a member here who feels passionate about art, artists and f**king parasites. @badrobot. Totally agree. Just to clear one thing - to deal with it - doesn't necessarily means to shut up and put the head in the sand, right? 'Weeseepee' ? The point that I'm trying to get across is that you can be as passionate about WCP bringing out copies as you like but if you don't do anything about it then its a pointless exercise. Have you reported him to EBay? Have you contacted him to tell him that what you're doing is wrong? Venting off on a forum will not do anything except probably get more people to check his stuff out in eBay. I'm afraid that all that is happening is that people who were thinking about buying one but weren't sure what the quality was like will be reading people complaining how they could be passed off as originals and thinking that they must be great copies. I could go to almost any market in London and buy a knock off Banksy canvas for £10. Are they wrong too? How about the people using his name to flog a Banksy t-shirt for a fiver? It's great that you're passionate about art but if you were to take on everyone selling knock off Banksys it would be a full time job.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 23:02:37 GMT 1, Agreed amboguy. WCP is the only one who is making a mirror image of the original print, same size deckled edges on trolleys, etc, etc. Someone mentioned one a previous wcp thread that originally this guy started selling these on a market stall without the banksy copy stamp on in London then moved onto ebay. So I wonder how many people are putting forward these as legit backdoor prints trying to command 600 pound plus on ebay when they are wcp back in the day before he started with ebay. Not good. Banksy canvas art from a shop in Bolton I can live with this I cannot.
Agreed amboguy. WCP is the only one who is making a mirror image of the original print, same size deckled edges on trolleys, etc, etc. Someone mentioned one a previous wcp thread that originally this guy started selling these on a market stall without the banksy copy stamp on in London then moved onto ebay. So I wonder how many people are putting forward these as legit backdoor prints trying to command 600 pound plus on ebay when they are wcp back in the day before he started with ebay. Not good. Banksy canvas art from a shop in Bolton I can live with this I cannot.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by randomname on Nov 26, 2013 23:09:01 GMT 1, “People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. f**k that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.” ― Banksy With all this trademarking and copyright of images and intelectual property rights I hope Banksy is not going against his own quote. - but don`t quote me on that as there is no way you are getting a quote off me for you or any future forum quote. Those aren't Banksy's words. They're Sean Tejaratchi. He quoted his essay in a book and was sloppy with the attribution. So it's now misattributed to Banksy.
“People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. f**k that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs.” ― Banksy With all this trademarking and copyright of images and intelectual property rights I hope Banksy is not going against his own quote. - but don`t quote me on that as there is no way you are getting a quote off me for you or any future forum quote. Those aren't Banksy's words. They're Sean Tejaratchi. He quoted his essay in a book and was sloppy with the attribution. So it's now misattributed to Banksy.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 23:11:16 GMT 1, my point is if they're not that arsed about it why should anybody on here get out their pram. Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring. Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that.I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall. That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job. Well said. It's not really about Banksy or WCP, it's about personal ethics and the ethics of this community, which is fundamentally what this board is. Personally I blame the parents.
my point is if they're not that arsed about it why should anybody on here get out their pram. Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring. Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that.I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall. That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job. Well said. It's not really about Banksy or WCP, it's about personal ethics and the ethics of this community, which is fundamentally what this board is. Personally I blame the parents.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 23:22:38 GMT 1, Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring. Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that.I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall. That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job. Well said. It's not really about Banksy or WCP, it's about personal ethics and the ethics of this community, which is fundamentally what this board is. Personally I blame the parents. lol, too right, i blame my parents for my faults, its the best excuse, just pick out the things i said you agree with and blame the rest on my parents
Like I said, Banksy can't do anything about it legally without revealing his identity. Just because his anonymity is more important to him than enforcing his copyrights, that doesn't show a lack of caring. Personally, I don't think people on here are all that bothered by WCP prints in and of themselves. Most of us think it's unethical to steal something that doesn't belong to you and sell it for a profit. If you ask, we'll tell you that.I think people get annoyed when it appears someone is being dishonest about their motives. Like when they say Banksy doesn't care so it's ok (despite all evidence pointing to the contrary). It seems like the real reason they think it's ok to steal is so that they can have a pretty picture on their wall. That said, it also could just be a bit of trolling. Some people like to post stupid things just to get a response. If that's their angle, then good job. Well said. It's not really about Banksy or WCP, it's about personal ethics and the ethics of this community, which is fundamentally what this board is. Personally I blame the parents. lol, too right, i blame my parents for my faults, its the best excuse, just pick out the things i said you agree with and blame the rest on my parents
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 23:22:54 GMT 1, I'm getting out of this thread now anyway as its going the same way the other one did.
Please feel free to quote me in any replies if you so wish!!
I'm getting out of this thread now anyway as its going the same way the other one did.
Please feel free to quote me in any replies if you so wish!!
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 23:32:42 GMT 1, I am fascinated by the pro's camp bewilderment at the terms ethics and morals
I am fascinated by the pro's camp bewilderment at the terms ethics and morals
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WCP The West Country Prince, by iamzero on Nov 26, 2013 23:39:49 GMT 1, So if fifty people all stood in line at vista print with a Banksy image for them to print out that's ok then. Personally don't see the difference. As for bad robot... Words fail me with you. I have no guilt and quite a nice collection of stuff thanks by named artists and unrecognised and also a WCP Kate. Never gonna make the wall but I wanted to see what the fuss was about. It's alright but I wouldn't buy another.
This really is boring now, it's like trying to teach a Labrador about the internet. And don't tell me what I can and can't buy.
So if fifty people all stood in line at vista print with a Banksy image for them to print out that's ok then. Personally don't see the difference. As for bad robot... Words fail me with you. I have no guilt and quite a nice collection of stuff thanks by named artists and unrecognised and also a WCP Kate. Never gonna make the wall but I wanted to see what the fuss was about. It's alright but I wouldn't buy another.
This really is boring now, it's like trying to teach a Labrador about the internet. And don't tell me what I can and can't buy.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 23:40:18 GMT 1, I was def laughing with not at, anyway im done, we should all listen to quinster and go back to the penguin givin the finger
I was def laughing with not at, anyway im done, we should all listen to quinster and go back to the penguin givin the finger
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WCP The West Country Prince, by iamzero on Nov 26, 2013 23:42:19 GMT 1, I am fascinated by the pro's camp bewilderment at the terms ethics and morals
I don't think anyone is pro WCP just not offended by them.
I am fascinated by the pro's camp bewilderment at the terms ethics and morals I don't think anyone is pro WCP just not offended by them.
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WCP The West Country Prince, by randomname on Nov 26, 2013 23:45:52 GMT 1, So if fifty people all stood in line at vista print with a Banksy image for them to print out that's ok then. Personally don't see the difference. As for bad robot... Words fail me with you. I have no guilt and quite a nice collection of stuff thanks by named artists and unrecognised and also a WCP Kate. Never gonna make the wall but I wanted to see what the fuss was about. It's alright but I wouldn't buy another. This really is boring now, it's like trying to teach a Labrador about the internet. And don't tell me what I can and can't buy. Banksy doesn't care if you print his images for your own personal use. He only cares if you print his images and sell them for a profit. How can you not see the difference?
So if fifty people all stood in line at vista print with a Banksy image for them to print out that's ok then. Personally don't see the difference. As for bad robot... Words fail me with you. I have no guilt and quite a nice collection of stuff thanks by named artists and unrecognised and also a WCP Kate. Never gonna make the wall but I wanted to see what the fuss was about. It's alright but I wouldn't buy another. This really is boring now, it's like trying to teach a Labrador about the internet. And don't tell me what I can and can't buy. Banksy doesn't care if you print his images for your own personal use. He only cares if you print his images and sell them for a profit. How can you not see the difference?
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