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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by loucastel on Jun 23, 2008 21:15:42 GMT 1, That may be the case about some sort of contract, whether it be enforceable or not is a different matter. As for the i-tie gallery, dont even want to go there, groaan! But I read his post differently, Quote--- "if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls" there not worth the paper they are written on but it's still a nice gesture. But i hear it was hard to get one from the italian staliians as they all went to 'local customers'  Yeah right!
Won't bore you with the details, but I'm still smarting an awful lot.
That may be the case about some sort of contract, whether it be enforceable or not is a different matter. As for the i-tie gallery, dont even want to go there, groaan! But I read his post differently, Quote--- "if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls" there not worth the paper they are written on but it's still a nice gesture. But i hear it was hard to get one from the italian staliians as they all went to 'local customers' Yeah right! Won't bore you with the details, but I'm still smarting an awful lot. |
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by afroken on Jun 23, 2008 21:47:51 GMT 1, bore us with the details please
bore us with the details please
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by curiousgeorge on Jun 23, 2008 23:04:15 GMT 1, not what again ? all im saying is there is a massive waiting list for people that want a parla, if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls obviously, when people spend a lot of money on an artists work, they want it to go up but i dont see why the gallery should be buying the work back at an inflated price a few months after they sold it 2 u
Gold flags at cost please  Pretty please
Also possibly a case to be had for people paying secondary market prices really do want the Art, the people on the 'waiting list' who knows why they want one? The people paying secondary market prices, says a lot about them.
For me it's less about money and more about the being told what to do when spending lots of money.How much do you have to spead for something to totally belong to you, to do as you wish with?
not what again ? all im saying is there is a massive waiting list for people that want a parla, if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls obviously, when people spend a lot of money on an artists work, they want it to go up but i dont see why the gallery should be buying the work back at an inflated price a few months after they sold it 2 u Gold flags at cost please Pretty please Also possibly a case to be had for people paying secondary market prices really do want the Art, the people on the 'waiting list' who knows why they want one? The people paying secondary market prices, says a lot about them. For me it's less about money and more about the being told what to do when spending lots of money.How much do you have to spead for something to totally belong to you, to do as you wish with? |
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by bobbymeachamjr on Jun 23, 2008 23:14:53 GMT 1, Graeme, you seem like a nice guy but your whining is absurd. Wtf, you pay for something but its not really yours? Also, if a piece you buy from a gallery drops in price - do we get a reimbursement? Unbelievable...
Graeme, you seem like a nice guy but your whining is absurd. Wtf, you pay for something but its not really yours? Also, if a piece you buy from a gallery drops in price - do we get a reimbursement? Unbelievable...
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by graeme501 on Jun 23, 2008 23:17:58 GMT 1, if i was selling gold flags, id be a hypocrite if i sold it for more than cost, however im not selling it so that solves that problem 
the secondary market price question is interesting, but just because your buying on the secondary market doesnt mean that you want the art any more than the next person - just that you could afford it, for example, sale ends is my favourite banksy LA print, could i afford a signed print if it came from POW - probably yes, but i couldnt afford it from ebay, does that mean that somebody who can afford it wants it more than me ?
if i was selling gold flags, id be a hypocrite if i sold it for more than cost, however im not selling it so that solves that problem the secondary market price question is interesting, but just because your buying on the secondary market doesnt mean that you want the art any more than the next person - just that you could afford it, for example, sale ends is my favourite banksy LA print, could i afford a signed print if it came from POW - probably yes, but i couldnt afford it from ebay, does that mean that somebody who can afford it wants it more than me ? |
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Deleted on Jun 23, 2008 23:20:11 GMT 1, off topic, i think it's funny that people forget that a discussion forum stores old posts (unless you delete them which lots of people do)...
off topic, i think it's funny that people forget that a discussion forum stores old posts (unless you delete them which lots of people do)...
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Cocteau 101 on Jun 23, 2008 23:20:56 GMT 1, wtf has all this got to do with the sale of this watercolour - which incidentally I pm'd about at the weekend and have yet to have a reply - so it doesn't matter about offering it back to the gallery, it doesn't look like it's for sale anyway.
If someone does want to sell some Parlas you know where I am.
wtf has all this got to do with the sale of this watercolour - which incidentally I pm'd about at the weekend and have yet to have a reply - so it doesn't matter about offering it back to the gallery, it doesn't look like it's for sale anyway.
If someone does want to sell some Parlas you know where I am.
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by graeme501 on Jun 23, 2008 23:26:24 GMT 1, i dont see how im whining ? its a discussion and im expressing my opinion, i could never get a parla now so its all hypothetical
if you buy the art then its yours, but if ur selling it on a few months after you bought it, then the gallery is allowed to question why you bought it in the 1st place, especially if they have a list as long as their arm of other people that want the artwork
'Also, if a piece you buy from a gallery drops in price - do we get a reimbursement' - i dont understand this point, you are saying that you dont agree with the gallery buying back at cost, that they should pay market price as long as the market price goes up ?
i dont see how im whining ? its a discussion and im expressing my opinion, i could never get a parla now so its all hypothetical
if you buy the art then its yours, but if ur selling it on a few months after you bought it, then the gallery is allowed to question why you bought it in the 1st place, especially if they have a list as long as their arm of other people that want the artwork
'Also, if a piece you buy from a gallery drops in price - do we get a reimbursement' - i dont understand this point, you are saying that you dont agree with the gallery buying back at cost, that they should pay market price as long as the market price goes up ?
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Photoxtc on Jun 23, 2008 23:30:18 GMT 1, I think this was a bulls**t post from carmichael... he was on a tear of winding people up over the weekend and posted this... I'm calling BS!
I think this was a bulls**t post from carmichael... he was on a tear of winding people up over the weekend and posted this... I'm calling BS!
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Cocteau 101 on Jun 23, 2008 23:30:56 GMT 1, SOMEONE SELL ME SOME PARLAS!
SOMEONE SELL ME SOME PARLAS!
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Photoxtc on Jun 23, 2008 23:32:27 GMT 1, SOMEONE SELL ME SOME PARLAS!
ummmm you already have one of the nicest ones around!!! 
Don't be greedy!!
SOMEONE SELL ME SOME PARLAS! ummmm you already have one of the nicest ones around!!! Don't be greedy!! |
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by ricosg11 on Jun 24, 2008 0:57:37 GMT 1, to call into question the integrity of the gallery in Italy is a mighty ball-sy move. From what I know, Jose's work is so hard to obtain because he actually gives a shit as to who gets it, and their motives for obtaining it. It says a lot that none of his significant works get flipped or sold in the secondary market, even with the substantial rise in price over such a short period of time. Seems like the gallery did a pretty good job of selecting buyers to me.
Jose isnt in the same league as any artist discussed on this site and thats a fact, with the exception of maybe Neate. Come back to this in 10-20-50 years and he is going to be a milestone in art history.
to call into question the integrity of the gallery in Italy is a mighty ball-sy move. From what I know, Jose's work is so hard to obtain because he actually gives a shit as to who gets it, and their motives for obtaining it. It says a lot that none of his significant works get flipped or sold in the secondary market, even with the substantial rise in price over such a short period of time. Seems like the gallery did a pretty good job of selecting buyers to me.
Jose isnt in the same league as any artist discussed on this site and thats a fact, with the exception of maybe Neate. Come back to this in 10-20-50 years and he is going to be a milestone in art history.
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by oneeye on Jun 24, 2008 2:11:17 GMT 1, Nicely put. I couldn't agree more.
Nicely put. I couldn't agree more.
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by bobbymeachamjr on Jun 24, 2008 2:23:31 GMT 1, Parlas great but he'll never have the impact Banksy will leave behind in the Art History books. Beautiful work but abstract expressionism is over 50 years old and hes merely an evolutionary. He'll be mentioned in a paragraph of how diverse the street art scene was...
Parlas great but he'll never have the impact Banksy will leave behind in the Art History books. Beautiful work but abstract expressionism is over 50 years old and hes merely an evolutionary. He'll be mentioned in a paragraph of how diverse the street art scene was...
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by ricosg11 on Jun 24, 2008 2:33:38 GMT 1, see i disagree. which should probably be another thread. But, while I can appreciate what Banksy has done for "street/urban art", hell he is even what got me into it. I now see him as a passing fad, I do not see stencil as a medium holding a captive audience and a place in art history for more than a few years. So while I agree Banksy has been a huge catalyst for the exposure of urban art, Jose would still be a force in the contemporary art scene if Banksy never existed. That can be backed up by simply looking at his resume.
see i disagree. which should probably be another thread. But, while I can appreciate what Banksy has done for "street/urban art", hell he is even what got me into it. I now see him as a passing fad, I do not see stencil as a medium holding a captive audience and a place in art history for more than a few years. So while I agree Banksy has been a huge catalyst for the exposure of urban art, Jose would still be a force in the contemporary art scene if Banksy never existed. That can be backed up by simply looking at his resume.
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by graeme501 on Jun 24, 2008 2:35:43 GMT 1, parla is a great artist, love his stuff, but i think part of the reason that people so badly want a parla is that they cant get 1, because they rarely is ever come up for sale, you want what you cant have
parla is a great artist, love his stuff, but i think part of the reason that people so badly want a parla is that they cant get 1, because they rarely is ever come up for sale, you want what you cant have
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by bobbymeachamjr on Jun 24, 2008 2:49:29 GMT 1, Again, to me Banksy is revolutionary while Parla is evolutionary. Art history is about revolutions and their leaders. Banksy is the undisputed leader. Parla is a derivative - not technically but psychologically, of the Banksy phenomenon.
This is in no way implying Parla would not have a successful career w/o the "street scene" fad. Wow 3 negatives in 1 sentence! I better work on my english...
Again, to me Banksy is revolutionary while Parla is evolutionary. Art history is about revolutions and their leaders. Banksy is the undisputed leader. Parla is a derivative - not technically but psychologically, of the Banksy phenomenon.
This is in no way implying Parla would not have a successful career w/o the "street scene" fad. Wow 3 negatives in 1 sentence! I better work on my english...
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by onemandown72 on Jun 24, 2008 7:43:52 GMT 1, Again, to me Banksy is revolutionary while Parla is evolutionary. Art history is about revolutions and their leaders. Banksy is the undisputed leader. Parla is a derivative - not technically but psychologically, of the Banksy phenomenon. This is in no way implying Parla would not have a successful career w/o the "street scene" fad. Wow 3 negatives in 1 sentence! I better work on my english...
Comparing Parla to Banksy is like comparing diamonds to gold, both highly desirable, but ultimately very different.
Whilst Banksy has had a more immediate impact on the wider world with his work, this in no way detracts from what Parla does, now how beautiful or affective his work is.
Again, to me Banksy is revolutionary while Parla is evolutionary. Art history is about revolutions and their leaders. Banksy is the undisputed leader. Parla is a derivative - not technically but psychologically, of the Banksy phenomenon. This is in no way implying Parla would not have a successful career w/o the "street scene" fad. Wow 3 negatives in 1 sentence! I better work on my english... Comparing Parla to Banksy is like comparing diamonds to gold, both highly desirable, but ultimately very different. Whilst Banksy has had a more immediate impact on the wider world with his work, this in no way detracts from what Parla does, now how beautiful or affective his work is. |
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by loucastel on Jun 24, 2008 9:07:47 GMT 1, to call into question the integrity of the gallery in Italy is a mighty ball-sy move. From what I know, Jose's work is so hard to obtain because he actually gives a s**t as to who gets it, and their motives for obtaining it. It says a lot that none of his significant works get flipped or sold in the secondary market, even with the substantial rise in price over such a short period of time. Seems like the gallery did a pretty good job of selecting buyers to me. Jose isnt in the same league as any artist discussed on this site and thats a fact, with the exception of maybe Neate. Come back to this in 10-20-50 years and he is going to be a milestone in art history.
I'm not in the habit of making statements that I cant substantiate.
As for none of his work gets sold on/ flipped, you know that for a fact do you? you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.
I also didnt realise that mr Parla vets all the people that actually buys one of his works.
to call into question the integrity of the gallery in Italy is a mighty ball-sy move. From what I know, Jose's work is so hard to obtain because he actually gives a s**t as to who gets it, and their motives for obtaining it. It says a lot that none of his significant works get flipped or sold in the secondary market, even with the substantial rise in price over such a short period of time. Seems like the gallery did a pretty good job of selecting buyers to me. Jose isnt in the same league as any artist discussed on this site and thats a fact, with the exception of maybe Neate. Come back to this in 10-20-50 years and he is going to be a milestone in art history. I'm not in the habit of making statements that I cant substantiate. As for none of his work gets sold on/ flipped, you know that for a fact do you? you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I also didnt realise that mr Parla vets all the people that actually buys one of his works. |
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by covertshadowops on Jun 24, 2008 9:57:37 GMT 1, Parla's works go to very good homes. not 100% vetted, but a slight knowledge / interest in the guy / his scene helps the process.
if you want a parla, either wait for elms show or the bonhams sale... there is one in there (estimate price or reserve price was mentioned at £3-4K, so we can assume to blow over that, unless it gets altered.)
Parla's works go to very good homes. not 100% vetted, but a slight knowledge / interest in the guy / his scene helps the process.
if you want a parla, either wait for elms show or the bonhams sale... there is one in there (estimate price or reserve price was mentioned at £3-4K, so we can assume to blow over that, unless it gets altered.)
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by lee3 on Jun 24, 2008 16:05:00 GMT 1, >>>But, while I can appreciate what Banksy has done for "street/urban art", hell he is even what got me into it. I now see him as a passing fad, I do not see stencil as a medium holding a captive audience and a place in art history for more than a few years<<<<
Interesting comment. I don't necessarily consider Banksy's only medium to be that of stencil. His contribution from my vantage point will be so much more than just stencil; it's the way he looks at the world including the art establishment and turns it upside down for all to see, not just art aficianados. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of his determination to hang his work in museums around the world without permission while photographing and noting the associated reactions. That's a pretty cool thought process which in turn gives his stencil work that much more meaning. He's making new rules as his career matures and that is a rarity in the art world given how many millions (or billions) of people have practiced that craft over the ages. Even if we were never to hear another word from the Banksy camp again, I believe what he has done will continue to influence artists for decades (at least) and personally don't see his contribution just fading away over a few years; quite the opposite actually.
As for Parla, I love his work, but I wouldn't venture a guess today as to his mark on art history or the influence he may or may not have on artists that follow him.
>>>But, while I can appreciate what Banksy has done for "street/urban art", hell he is even what got me into it. I now see him as a passing fad, I do not see stencil as a medium holding a captive audience and a place in art history for more than a few years<<<<
Interesting comment. I don't necessarily consider Banksy's only medium to be that of stencil. His contribution from my vantage point will be so much more than just stencil; it's the way he looks at the world including the art establishment and turns it upside down for all to see, not just art aficianados. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of his determination to hang his work in museums around the world without permission while photographing and noting the associated reactions. That's a pretty cool thought process which in turn gives his stencil work that much more meaning. He's making new rules as his career matures and that is a rarity in the art world given how many millions (or billions) of people have practiced that craft over the ages. Even if we were never to hear another word from the Banksy camp again, I believe what he has done will continue to influence artists for decades (at least) and personally don't see his contribution just fading away over a few years; quite the opposite actually.
As for Parla, I love his work, but I wouldn't venture a guess today as to his mark on art history or the influence he may or may not have on artists that follow him.
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by alsbabar on Jun 24, 2008 16:15:23 GMT 1, I wonder if Parla takes his inspiration from other artists like Burhan Dogancay, who has been around since the late 60's
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by ricosg11 on Jun 24, 2008 17:12:03 GMT 1, >>>But, while I can appreciate what Banksy has done for "street/urban art", hell he is even what got me into it. I now see him as a passing fad, I do not see stencil as a medium holding a captive audience and a place in art history for more than a few years<<<< Interesting comment. I don't necessarily consider Banksy's only medium to be that of stencil. His contribution from my vantage point will be so much more than just stencil; it's the way he looks at the world including the art establishment and turns it upside down for all to see, not just art aficianados. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of his determination to hang his work in museums around the world without permission while photographing and noting the associated reactions. That's a pretty cool thought process which in turn gives his stencil work that much more meaning. He's making new rules as his career matures and that is a rarity in the art world given how many millions (or billions) of people have practiced that craft over the ages. Even if we were never to hear another word from the Banksy camp again, I believe what he has done will continue to influence artists for decades (at least) and personally don't see his contribution just fading away over a few years; quite the opposite actually. As for Parla, I love his work, but I wouldn't venture a guess today as to his mark on art history or the influence he may or may not have on artists that follow him.
Interesting comment as well. Great reply. Something I have heavily considered myself and agree with. I just dont see an interest in his work in particular holding the interest of the fine art crowd very long. Sure his influence may live on in one or many forms, I just dont see his work attaining the same accolades as his legacy (is that possible). I could be very wrong, all I can discuss is how I feel and how what I have learned has shaped my opinions and taste.
Always a pleasure reading what you have to say Lee.
>>>But, while I can appreciate what Banksy has done for "street/urban art", hell he is even what got me into it. I now see him as a passing fad, I do not see stencil as a medium holding a captive audience and a place in art history for more than a few years<<<< Interesting comment. I don't necessarily consider Banksy's only medium to be that of stencil. His contribution from my vantage point will be so much more than just stencil; it's the way he looks at the world including the art establishment and turns it upside down for all to see, not just art aficianados. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of his determination to hang his work in museums around the world without permission while photographing and noting the associated reactions. That's a pretty cool thought process which in turn gives his stencil work that much more meaning. He's making new rules as his career matures and that is a rarity in the art world given how many millions (or billions) of people have practiced that craft over the ages. Even if we were never to hear another word from the Banksy camp again, I believe what he has done will continue to influence artists for decades (at least) and personally don't see his contribution just fading away over a few years; quite the opposite actually. As for Parla, I love his work, but I wouldn't venture a guess today as to his mark on art history or the influence he may or may not have on artists that follow him. Interesting comment as well. Great reply. Something I have heavily considered myself and agree with. I just dont see an interest in his work in particular holding the interest of the fine art crowd very long. Sure his influence may live on in one or many forms, I just dont see his work attaining the same accolades as his legacy (is that possible). I could be very wrong, all I can discuss is how I feel and how what I have learned has shaped my opinions and taste. Always a pleasure reading what you have to say Lee. |
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by twostep on Jun 24, 2008 18:35:30 GMT 1, I do find Paral's ''pretty'' but sometimes they can be a bit St Ives gallery for me, anyone get what I'm saying?
I do find Paral's ''pretty'' but sometimes they can be a bit St Ives gallery for me, anyone get what I'm saying?
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Va Va Voom on Jun 24, 2008 20:06:26 GMT 1, I wonder if Parla takes his inspiration from other artists like Burhan Dogancay, who has been around since the late 60's
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Heavyconsumer on Jun 24, 2008 20:35:47 GMT 1, >>>But, while I can appreciate what Banksy has done for "street/urban art", hell he is even what got me into it. I now see him as a passing fad, I do not see stencil as a medium holding a captive audience and a place in art history for more than a few years<<<< Interesting comment. I don't necessarily consider Banksy's only medium to be that of stencil. His contribution from my vantage point will be so much more than just stencil; it's the way he looks at the world including the art establishment and turns it upside down for all to see, not just art aficianados. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of his determination to hang his work in museums around the world without permission while photographing and noting the associated reactions. That's a pretty cool thought process which in turn gives his stencil work that much more meaning. He's making new rules as his career matures and that is a rarity in the art world given how many millions (or billions) of people have practiced that craft over the ages. Even if we were never to hear another word from the Banksy camp again, I believe what he has done will continue to influence artists for decades (at least) and personally don't see his contribution just fading away over a few years; quite the opposite actually. As for Parla, I love his work, but I wouldn't venture a guess today as to his mark on art history or the influence he may or may not have on artists that follow him. Interesting comment as well. Great reply. Something I have heavily considered myself and agree with. I just dont see an interest in his work in particular holding the interest of the fine art crowd very long. Sure his influence may live on in one or many forms, I just dont see his work attaining the same accolades as his legacy (is that possible). I could be very wrong, all I can discuss is how I feel and how what I have learned has shaped my opinions and taste. Always a pleasure reading what you have to say Lee.
Both of you make very interesting points and are BOTH far more knowledgable about the arts in general and their markets and histories than I am (sadly for me).
I found everything in Lee's post had me nodding my head. I related to and agreed with his points very strongly. However I also understand what you mean Rico when you talk about fine art crowds tiring in particular of the stencil medium. It somehow appears a lesser test of an artists abilty to implement in practice their imagination or flair than the traditional media. Two things I think have gone unmentioned are, if collectors/buffs feel the relevance and importance of Banksy's work remains, then it is doubtless people will continue to clamber over eachother for his works, especially the better examples and more iconic images. Also, as time passes and people continue to experiment with media as they always have, surely more and more of these media will make their mark, slowly entering and affecting the evolution of fine art and it's interpretation?
Finally as a sidenote, I want to ask if there was ever a calligrapher who was a renowned artist in his own right? It seems to me that Parla has taken one of the most ancient of communications/artforms (raw writing skill) and presented it in a unique way. He is also an innovator of sorts and no doubt will be remembered as such to some degree??
>>>But, while I can appreciate what Banksy has done for "street/urban art", hell he is even what got me into it. I now see him as a passing fad, I do not see stencil as a medium holding a captive audience and a place in art history for more than a few years<<<< Interesting comment. I don't necessarily consider Banksy's only medium to be that of stencil. His contribution from my vantage point will be so much more than just stencil; it's the way he looks at the world including the art establishment and turns it upside down for all to see, not just art aficianados. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of his determination to hang his work in museums around the world without permission while photographing and noting the associated reactions. That's a pretty cool thought process which in turn gives his stencil work that much more meaning. He's making new rules as his career matures and that is a rarity in the art world given how many millions (or billions) of people have practiced that craft over the ages. Even if we were never to hear another word from the Banksy camp again, I believe what he has done will continue to influence artists for decades (at least) and personally don't see his contribution just fading away over a few years; quite the opposite actually. As for Parla, I love his work, but I wouldn't venture a guess today as to his mark on art history or the influence he may or may not have on artists that follow him. Interesting comment as well. Great reply. Something I have heavily considered myself and agree with. I just dont see an interest in his work in particular holding the interest of the fine art crowd very long. Sure his influence may live on in one or many forms, I just dont see his work attaining the same accolades as his legacy (is that possible). I could be very wrong, all I can discuss is how I feel and how what I have learned has shaped my opinions and taste. Always a pleasure reading what you have to say Lee. Both of you make very interesting points and are BOTH far more knowledgable about the arts in general and their markets and histories than I am (sadly for me). I found everything in Lee's post had me nodding my head. I related to and agreed with his points very strongly. However I also understand what you mean Rico when you talk about fine art crowds tiring in particular of the stencil medium. It somehow appears a lesser test of an artists abilty to implement in practice their imagination or flair than the traditional media. Two things I think have gone unmentioned are, if collectors/buffs feel the relevance and importance of Banksy's work remains, then it is doubtless people will continue to clamber over eachother for his works, especially the better examples and more iconic images. Also, as time passes and people continue to experiment with media as they always have, surely more and more of these media will make their mark, slowly entering and affecting the evolution of fine art and it's interpretation? Finally as a sidenote, I want to ask if there was ever a calligrapher who was a renowned artist in his own right? It seems to me that Parla has taken one of the most ancient of communications/artforms (raw writing skill) and presented it in a unique way. He is also an innovator of sorts and no doubt will be remembered as such to some degree?? |
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Winter on Jun 24, 2008 20:41:05 GMT 1, Wang Xizhi?
Wang Xizhi?
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Heavyconsumer on Jun 24, 2008 21:29:15 GMT 1,
Thanks Winter. That was a foolish oversight of course. I would guess there have probably been many famous, Eastern calligraphers. Know of any from the Western World?
It was meant rhetorically in part also, to draw attention to the irony of the parallel they share as innovators. Banksy using an existing medium to share his brand of humour and at times make political statements to connect with the masses. While the specific messages in Parla's work are often (mostly) lost, his new style of presentation of an existing medium is what grabs the attention. Although in completely different ways, the two have something in common as innovators. I suspect there will be further innovations in art over the next decade or two that we will have the priviledge to witness. Innovation in all other fields has a snowball effect, so why not art? I hope that they are all given appropriate attention and live long in future memory.
Thanks Winter. That was a foolish oversight of course. I would guess there have probably been many famous, Eastern calligraphers. Know of any from the Western World? It was meant rhetorically in part also, to draw attention to the irony of the parallel they share as innovators. Banksy using an existing medium to share his brand of humour and at times make political statements to connect with the masses. While the specific messages in Parla's work are often (mostly) lost, his new style of presentation of an existing medium is what grabs the attention. Although in completely different ways, the two have something in common as innovators. I suspect there will be further innovations in art over the next decade or two that we will have the priviledge to witness. Innovation in all other fields has a snowball effect, so why not art? I hope that they are all given appropriate attention and live long in future memory. |
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weeble
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by weeble on Jun 25, 2008 8:36:09 GMT 1, I do find Paral's ''pretty'' but sometimes they can be a bit St Ives gallery for me, anyone get what I'm saying?
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I do find Paral's ''pretty'' but sometimes they can be a bit St Ives gallery for me, anyone get what I'm saying? ;D |
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Winter
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Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Winter on Jun 25, 2008 12:53:21 GMT 1, I find Russ Mills quite 'St Ives gallery' as well. A good expression for Russ Mills, not so sure about Parla.
I find Russ Mills quite 'St Ives gallery' as well. A good expression for Russ Mills, not so sure about Parla.
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Pretty please
