carmichael
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 17
๐๐ป 0
November 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by carmichael on Jun 22, 2008 10:01:46 GMT 1, I have a large watercolour from recent Genoa show. It's big, it's beautiful but need to raise some funds. If you're serious contact me and I will send pics. Don't ask me to post pics on here as I can never work it out.
I have a large watercolour from recent Genoa show. It's big, it's beautiful but need to raise some funds. If you're serious contact me and I will send pics. Don't ask me to post pics on here as I can never work it out.
|
|
craigf
Full Member
๐จ๏ธ 8,557
๐๐ป 846
May 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by craigf on Jun 22, 2008 11:35:37 GMT 1, I think you are going to get a lot of drooling members contacting you soon.
Posting piccies is pretty easy, have another go for those of us without such deep pockets ;D
I think you are going to get a lot of drooling members contacting you soon.
Posting piccies is pretty easy, have another go for those of us without such deep pockets ;D
|
|
|
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by freeisthemagic on Jun 22, 2008 11:37:41 GMT 1, What the dollar your looking for?
What the dollar your looking for?
|
|
|
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by graeme501 on Jun 22, 2008 11:45:57 GMT 1, hmmmmm ... this was the guy last nite that went on an abusive spree through the forum, all his posts have been deleated from the threads now, so i'd take what he says with a pinch of salt
hmmmmm ... this was the guy last nite that went on an abusive spree through the forum, all his posts have been deleated from the threads now, so i'd take what he says with a pinch of salt
|
|
|
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by covertshadowops on Jun 22, 2008 12:18:35 GMT 1, has anyone got any pictures yet?
has anyone got any pictures yet?
|
|
Cocteau 101
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 3,508
๐๐ป 1,227
January 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Cocteau 101 on Jun 22, 2008 13:38:46 GMT 1, Mmmmmmm
Mmmmmmm
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by cashman on Jun 22, 2008 14:05:11 GMT 1, he's carried on chatting shit today, just been spouting about the faile print
he's carried on chatting shit today, just been spouting about the faile print
|
|
andyctree
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 307
๐๐ป 7
July 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by andyctree on Jun 22, 2008 15:00:23 GMT 1, If you can afford to buy a Parla then you can afford to feed your kids
If you can afford to buy a Parla then you can afford to feed your kids
|
|
Deleted
๐จ๏ธ 0
๐๐ป
January 1970
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Deleted on Jun 22, 2008 16:33:37 GMT 1, Carmichael, you really shouldn't leave your email address exposed in your profile, someone is liable to contact the gallery and let them know that you're flipping your original to feed your kids. It would be a shame if you were blacklisted from this gallery and others.
Carmichael, you really shouldn't leave your email address exposed in your profile, someone is liable to contact the gallery and let them know that you're flipping your original to feed your kids. It would be a shame if you were blacklisted from this gallery and others.
|
|
Photoxtc
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,500
๐๐ป 194
July 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Photoxtc on Jun 22, 2008 18:53:49 GMT 1, I would love a Parla but this guy is a true Cun t from what I've read so far with all of his lovely post... 
I would love a Parla but this guy is a true Cun t from what I've read so far with all of his lovely post... |
|
|
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by covertshadowops on Jun 22, 2008 23:23:20 GMT 1, i am sure there is one of those things (cant remember the name) that you cant sell from the Genoa show until you have offered it back to the gallery first..... am i right?
i am sure there is one of those things (cant remember the name) that you cant sell from the Genoa show until you have offered it back to the gallery first..... am i right?
|
|
beasty
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 181
๐๐ป 8
December 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by beasty on Jun 23, 2008 8:11:26 GMT 1, yes - you're right
yes - you're right
|
|
qwertystar
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 127
๐๐ป 2
December 2006
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by qwertystar on Jun 23, 2008 10:14:58 GMT 1, But surely such documents are unenforceable... I'm not condoning such behaviour however the best they could do is black list the original buyer?
But surely such documents are unenforceable... I'm not condoning such behaviour however the best they could do is black list the original buyer?
|
|
beasty
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 181
๐๐ป 8
December 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by beasty on Jun 23, 2008 13:53:22 GMT 1, I think all you have to do is offer it back(which can be done at current market value rather than original price IMO). You don't have to sell it to them as far as I'm aware. So I agree that it is probably unenforceable and therefore struggle to see the value in such a document.
However, if you ever intend to buy from that gallery( or probably even that particular artist) again in the future then I think it's wise to offer the piece back to them.
At the end of the day the good galleries are just trying to ensure their artists work finds a home with a good collector who will not sell on immediately on the secondary market for a quick buck.
I think all you have to do is offer it back(which can be done at current market value rather than original price IMO). You don't have to sell it to them as far as I'm aware. So I agree that it is probably unenforceable and therefore struggle to see the value in such a document.
However, if you ever intend to buy from that gallery( or probably even that particular artist) again in the future then I think it's wise to offer the piece back to them.
At the end of the day the good galleries are just trying to ensure their artists work finds a home with a good collector who will not sell on immediately on the secondary market for a quick buck.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by graeme501 on Jun 23, 2008 14:30:18 GMT 1, i think that if u offered to sell it back to them for anything other than cost they wouldn't sell to u again
i think that if u offered to sell it back to them for anything other than cost they wouldn't sell to u again
|
|
beasty
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 181
๐๐ป 8
December 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by beasty on Jun 23, 2008 17:15:48 GMT 1, Graeme - if the market for the artist had not increased or if i was selling within say a year of buying then selling back at cost is not an issue in my eyes. However if the gallery insisted i sell back at cost when they know the market has moved on , i. e. increase in prices and say more than a year had passed then I wouldn't worry about the gallery not selling to me in future as I'd be quite happy not to buy from that gallery again!
They would effectively be saying that they are happy for you take all the "risk" by spending your hard earned cash on a particular artist but they take all the gains if you decide to sell in future at a profit. Doesn't sound right to me
Graeme - if the market for the artist had not increased or if i was selling within say a year of buying then selling back at cost is not an issue in my eyes. However if the gallery insisted i sell back at cost when they know the market has moved on , i. e. increase in prices and say more than a year had passed then I wouldn't worry about the gallery not selling to me in future as I'd be quite happy not to buy from that gallery again!
They would effectively be saying that they are happy for you take all the "risk" by spending your hard earned cash on a particular artist but they take all the gains if you decide to sell in future at a profit. Doesn't sound right to me
|
|
curiousgeorge
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 5,833
๐๐ป 1,091
March 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by curiousgeorge on Jun 23, 2008 17:25:39 GMT 1, Selling it back to the gallery at original cost, is totally taking the piss IMO
What sort of way is that to run a business
Selling it back to the gallery at original cost, is totally taking the piss IMO
What sort of way is that to run a business
|
|
loucastel
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,551
๐๐ป 53
October 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by loucastel on Jun 23, 2008 17:32:18 GMT 1, i think that if u offered to sell it back to them for anything other than cost they wouldn't sell to u again
If you are refering to iltrifoglionero gallery, then that would be no loss!!
i think that if u offered to sell it back to them for anything other than cost they wouldn't sell to u again If you are refering to iltrifoglionero gallery, then that would be no loss!! |
|
|
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by graeme501 on Jun 23, 2008 17:47:12 GMT 1, so basically, what people are saying is theres no point in buying art unless it goes up in value
so basically, what people are saying is theres no point in buying art unless it goes up in value
|
|
loucastel
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,551
๐๐ป 53
October 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by loucastel on Jun 23, 2008 17:49:45 GMT 1, so basically, what people are saying is theres no point in buying art unless it goes up in value
Ohhhh, not this again!!!!
so basically, what people are saying is theres no point in buying art unless it goes up in value Ohhhh, not this again!!!! |
|
|
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by graeme501 on Jun 23, 2008 18:08:56 GMT 1, not what again ? all im saying is there is a massive waiting list for people that want a parla, if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls
obviously, when people spend a lot of money on an artists work, they want it to go up but i dont see why the gallery should be buying the work back at an inflated price a few months after they sold it 2 u
not what again ? all im saying is there is a massive waiting list for people that want a parla, if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls
obviously, when people spend a lot of money on an artists work, they want it to go up but i dont see why the gallery should be buying the work back at an inflated price a few months after they sold it 2 u
|
|
beasty
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 181
๐๐ป 8
December 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by beasty on Jun 23, 2008 18:15:58 GMT 1, If the gallery were to sell it on to someone on the list at the same (cost) price then fine but if the market has gone up in the meantime then I think you'll find some galleries will make extra profit by selling it on at the higher price. In that scenario I don't see why they should be entitled to the extra profit and not the collector.
If the gallery were to sell it on to someone on the list at the same (cost) price then fine but if the market has gone up in the meantime then I think you'll find some galleries will make extra profit by selling it on at the higher price. In that scenario I don't see why they should be entitled to the extra profit and not the collector.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by graeme501 on Jun 23, 2008 18:18:50 GMT 1, in that scenario i would totally agree with you, maybe i was naive in thinking the gallery would sell it on at cost but would be nice if it happened
in that scenario i would totally agree with you, maybe i was naive in thinking the gallery would sell it on at cost but would be nice if it happened
|
|
|
|
Matt-lock
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 921
๐๐ป 81
June 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Matt-lock on Jun 23, 2008 19:15:09 GMT 1, that's a great book...little arrogant but good nonetheless.
that's a great book...little arrogant but good nonetheless.
|
|
Winter
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 7,155
๐๐ป 4,461
March 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by Winter on Jun 23, 2008 19:15:10 GMT 1, As far as I'm aware you offer to sell it back at current market value not what you paid for it. That would make sense.
As far as I'm aware you offer to sell it back at current market value not what you paid for it. That would make sense.
|
|
loucastel
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,551
๐๐ป 53
October 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by loucastel on Jun 23, 2008 20:45:04 GMT 1, not what again ? all im saying is there is a massive waiting list for people that want a parla, if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls obviously, when people spend a lot of money on an artists work, they want it to go up but i dont see why the gallery should be buying the work back at an inflated price a few months after they sold it 2 u
I do hope you have been practising what you preach graeme501, and offering back to the gallery/seller, all the stuf you have been selling, the price may be different but the principle is exactly the same!!
not what again ? all im saying is there is a massive waiting list for people that want a parla, if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls obviously, when people spend a lot of money on an artists work, they want it to go up but i dont see why the gallery should be buying the work back at an inflated price a few months after they sold it 2 u I do hope you have been practising what you preach graeme501, and offering back to the gallery/seller, all the stuf you have been selling, the price may be different but the principle is exactly the same!! |
|
guest2
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,471
๐๐ป 1
December 2006
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by guest2 on Jun 23, 2008 20:54:08 GMT 1, not what again ? all im saying is there is a massive waiting list for people that want a parla, if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls obviously, when people spend a lot of money on an artists work, they want it to go up but i dont see why the gallery should be buying the work back at an inflated price a few months after they sold it 2 u I do hope you have been practising what you preach graeme501, and offering back to the gallery/seller, all the stuf you have been selling, the price may be different but the principle is exactly the same!!
I think what graeme means is the i-tie gallery poss made contracts that if you sell you have to offer it them 1st.
not what again ? all im saying is there is a massive waiting list for people that want a parla, if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls obviously, when people spend a lot of money on an artists work, they want it to go up but i dont see why the gallery should be buying the work back at an inflated price a few months after they sold it 2 u I do hope you have been practising what you preach graeme501, and offering back to the gallery/seller, all the stuf you have been selling, the price may be different but the principle is exactly the same!! I think what graeme means is the i-tie gallery poss made contracts that if you sell you have to offer it them 1st. |
|
loucastel
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,551
๐๐ป 53
October 2007
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by loucastel on Jun 23, 2008 21:09:18 GMT 1, I do hope you have been practising what you preach graeme501, and offering back to the gallery/seller, all the stuf you have been selling, the price may be different but the principle is exactly the same!! I think what graeme means is the i-tie gallery poss made contracts that if you sell you have to offer it them 1st.
That may be the case about some sort of contract, whether it be enforceable or not is a different matter. As for the i-tie gallery, dont even want to go there, groaan!
But I read his post differently,
Quote--- "if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls"
I do hope you have been practising what you preach graeme501, and offering back to the gallery/seller, all the stuf you have been selling, the price may be different but the principle is exactly the same!! I think what graeme means is the i-tie gallery poss made contracts that if you sell you have to offer it them 1st. That may be the case about some sort of contract, whether it be enforceable or not is a different matter. As for the i-tie gallery, dont even want to go there, groaan! But I read his post differently, Quote--- "if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls" |
|
guest2
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,471
๐๐ป 1
December 2006
|
Jose Parla watercolour FS, by guest2 on Jun 23, 2008 21:12:50 GMT 1, I think what graeme means is the i-tie gallery poss made contracts that if you sell you have to offer it them 1st. That may be the case about some sort of contract, whether it be enforceable or not is a different matter. As for the i-tie gallery, dont even want to go there, groaan! But I read his post differently, Quote--- "if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls"
there not worth the paper they are written on but it's still a nice gesture. But i hear it was hard to get one from the italian stallians as alot went to 'local customers'
Yeah right!
I think what graeme means is the i-tie gallery poss made contracts that if you sell you have to offer it them 1st. That may be the case about some sort of contract, whether it be enforceable or not is a different matter. As for the i-tie gallery, dont even want to go there, groaan! But I read his post differently, Quote--- "if you buy, then a few months later u change ur mind, why shouldn't it go to somebody on the gallery list for cost, then the artwork will remain with the people that want it on their walls" there not worth the paper they are written on but it's still a nice gesture. But i hear it was hard to get one from the italian stallians as alot went to 'local customers' Yeah right! |
|
