Michael Jacob
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October 2006
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POW authentication added, by Michael Jacob on Jun 10, 2008 13:33:22 GMT 1, I agree the price is ridiculous! I think all future prints should have it for free. All prior prints should be done, but at a much much lesser cost. What if youre a long time collector who just wants COAs. If you had 10 prints, that 500! You could buy alot of crazy jake print for that!
I agree the price is ridiculous! I think all future prints should have it for free. All prior prints should be done, but at a much much lesser cost. What if youre a long time collector who just wants COAs. If you had 10 prints, that 500! You could buy alot of crazy jake print for that!
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aginghippie
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December 2007
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POW authentication added, by aginghippie on Jun 10, 2008 13:39:54 GMT 1, Email in general is trivial to fake and these receipts are no different. If you are dealing with someone who is selling a fake print it only takes them an extra couple of minutes to fake the email receipt so why wouldn't they? Never rely on an email receipt alone unless you know and trust the person.
Email in general is trivial to fake and these receipts are no different. If you are dealing with someone who is selling a fake print it only takes them an extra couple of minutes to fake the email receipt so why wouldn't they? Never rely on an email receipt alone unless you know and trust the person.
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POW authentication added, by jonpud on Jun 10, 2008 13:43:11 GMT 1, I have the greatest respect for POW, Dora and Ben especially! I have always found them helpful and have always said that they should make a small charge for authenticating a print (say £10) but £50 + vat!!!!!!?? That's rediculous! Guessing the unsold Zboik's are starting to pinch!!!!!
I have the greatest respect for POW, Dora and Ben especially! I have always found them helpful and have always said that they should make a small charge for authenticating a print (say £10) but £50 + vat!!!!!! ?? That's rediculous! Guessing the unsold Zboik's are starting to pinch!!!!!
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POW authentication added, by chuggabuttnose on Jun 10, 2008 13:51:56 GMT 1, takes the piss really - £50 to provide a document for a print that should have as STANDARD had COA's. Its due to their own sloppy work and their lack of foresight that this has come about, and to cover their own asses, they charge us the people that bought and supported their business from day - I thought they were "making art that you can afford".
Sorry to say, that POW is no longer about that, what they are doing is no different to any other person who flips or sells a Banksy piece, they are profiteering from his popularity.
What is becoming more and more evident is, POW/Pest Control/Laz still all have their claws deep into Banksy, and I wouldnt be surprised if actually Banksy is Steve Lazarides, and that this is just one big money making scam!!!
takes the piss really - £50 to provide a document for a print that should have as STANDARD had COA's. Its due to their own sloppy work and their lack of foresight that this has come about, and to cover their own asses, they charge us the people that bought and supported their business from day - I thought they were "making art that you can afford".
Sorry to say, that POW is no longer about that, what they are doing is no different to any other person who flips or sells a Banksy piece, they are profiteering from his popularity.
What is becoming more and more evident is, POW/Pest Control/Laz still all have their claws deep into Banksy, and I wouldnt be surprised if actually Banksy is Steve Lazarides, and that this is just one big money making scam!!!
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POW authentication added, by felix on Jun 10, 2008 13:52:31 GMT 1, I think it is quite a reasonable charge considering in most cases the seller is making a HUGE profit margin on something they originally sold and produced. I would also think it takes up alot of their time and that is the reason behind the cost.
I think it is quite a reasonable charge considering in most cases the seller is making a HUGE profit margin on something they originally sold and produced. I would also think it takes up alot of their time and that is the reason behind the cost.
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POW authentication added, by slowmo on Jun 10, 2008 13:57:38 GMT 1, If you buy it to own it, why do you need a certificate? Its surely a surcharge for secondary market dealing?
Theres no argument for this, if you want to sell your print you bought from POW, they have found a way of taking a commission. I applaud them for this move.
Its a charge for people to sell their print on. Its also a great opportunity for me to authenticate my signed Barcode, which I never kept a receipt for and was paid for in cash in 2004 at Santas Ghetto, in that case the £50 will be a small price to pay and no I am not selling it, but it has always troubled me that I don't have provenence.
I applaud this move (those wanting to save £50 though, isn't this service free on pest control?)
If you buy it to own it, why do you need a certificate? Its surely a surcharge for secondary market dealing?
Theres no argument for this, if you want to sell your print you bought from POW, they have found a way of taking a commission. I applaud them for this move.
Its a charge for people to sell their print on. Its also a great opportunity for me to authenticate my signed Barcode, which I never kept a receipt for and was paid for in cash in 2004 at Santas Ghetto, in that case the £50 will be a small price to pay and no I am not selling it, but it has always troubled me that I don't have provenence.
I applaud this move (those wanting to save £50 though, isn't this service free on pest control?)
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POW authentication added, by graeme501 on Jun 10, 2008 13:59:24 GMT 1, agree with the 2 above posts
agree with the 2 above posts
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Rude Copper
Junior Member
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November 2006
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POW authentication added, by Rude Copper on Jun 10, 2008 13:59:46 GMT 1, ultimately, this service is'nt for recent purchases, its for prints that were bought before it went potty, theres always been a grey area with prints that were bought from the likes of tom tom, & greenleaf so if this clears things like that up, then £50 is a small price to pay. i have a signed pulp bought from pymca, i know it to be genuine, but the reciept has long gone & it has no blindstamp, so this is a big plus to me, you'd only realise the benefit of a service like this if you were trying to sell something without provenance, there's always an element of doubt from the potential buyer, which inevitabley devalues the work, at this point £50 will seem like nothng at all. & if you are the buyer, & you're about to shell out 12k on a signed laugh now, would'nt you want to pay £50 to someone for the peace of mind to know that you've bought the real deal?
ultimately, this service is'nt for recent purchases, its for prints that were bought before it went potty, theres always been a grey area with prints that were bought from the likes of tom tom, & greenleaf so if this clears things like that up, then £50 is a small price to pay. i have a signed pulp bought from pymca, i know it to be genuine, but the reciept has long gone & it has no blindstamp, so this is a big plus to me, you'd only realise the benefit of a service like this if you were trying to sell something without provenance, there's always an element of doubt from the potential buyer, which inevitabley devalues the work, at this point £50 will seem like nothng at all. & if you are the buyer, & you're about to shell out 12k on a signed laugh now, would'nt you want to pay £50 to someone for the peace of mind to know that you've bought the real deal?
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POW authentication added, by arcam on Jun 10, 2008 14:38:00 GMT 1, I agree for older prints it's a blessing. But by offering to provide specific certificates of authentication they’re changing the bar with regards to what is acceptable provenance, and it is us who’ve been left to brunt the cost.
COA are nothing new, Eyestorm sent them with the Micallef's, so there is no reason why POW couldn't have done the same with the more recent editions, i.e. LA and S&S. It also begs the question as to whether they’ll be sending them with future releases?
I agree for older prints it's a blessing. But by offering to provide specific certificates of authentication they’re changing the bar with regards to what is acceptable provenance, and it is us who’ve been left to brunt the cost.
COA are nothing new, Eyestorm sent them with the Micallef's, so there is no reason why POW couldn't have done the same with the more recent editions, i.e. LA and S&S. It also begs the question as to whether they’ll be sending them with future releases?
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mj
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October 2007
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POW authentication added, by mj on Jun 10, 2008 14:51:15 GMT 1, Does anyone know if you can use this service for authentication of any other artist/prints sold by POW?
Does anyone know if you can use this service for authentication of any other artist/prints sold by POW?
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stuartb
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May 2008
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POW authentication added, by stuartb on Jun 10, 2008 14:54:14 GMT 1, sounds a good money making spinner, but i suppose they could not keep doing it for free, they will certainly be busy with all the requests now no doubt
sounds a good money making spinner, but i suppose they could not keep doing it for free, they will certainly be busy with all the requests now no doubt
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matbat
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December 2006
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POW authentication added, by matbat on Jun 10, 2008 15:01:32 GMT 1, all the recent print releases will be registered in the original owners name. Only old prints and sales from the secondhand market will need verification which to me seems fair.
I guess it would be a good idea before you sell to get this authentication.
Im pleased i popped in there 6 months ago.
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all the recent print releases will be registered in the original owners name. Only old prints and sales from the secondhand market will need verification which to me seems fair.
I guess it would be a good idea before you sell to get this authentication.
Im pleased i popped in there 6 months ago.
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njr911
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April 2007
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POW authentication added, by njr911 on Jun 10, 2008 15:07:07 GMT 1, hhmn I have no Prov for my DSTQ other that it came from Santas Ghetto.
Wonder if they'll do prove for my Di Faced Tenner
hhmn I have no Prov for my DSTQ other that it came from Santas Ghetto. Wonder if they'll do prove for my Di Faced Tenner
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cakeboy
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March 2007
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POW authentication added, by cakeboy on Jun 10, 2008 20:24:56 GMT 1, im lovin this ..nice one POW
im lovin this ..nice one POW
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POW authentication added, by bobbyt23 on Jun 10, 2008 20:29:37 GMT 1, Theres no argument for this, if you want to sell your print you bought from POW, they have found a way of taking a commission. I applaud them for this move.
And why not.
It'll also give them a nifty little database of who sells what and how quickly......
Theres no argument for this, if you want to sell your print you bought from POW, they have found a way of taking a commission. I applaud them for this move. And why not. It'll also give them a nifty little database of who sells what and how quickly......
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POW authentication added, by leumasdarnley on Jun 10, 2008 21:52:11 GMT 1, Well I for one think its certainly worth while depending on the print for me it would be a peace of mind having one for each of my Banksy's I had to buy 2nd market. 50 quid is relative but if you talking signed its a no brainer. At least they offer the option I applaud the effort it is a move forward at least IMO.
Well I for one think its certainly worth while depending on the print for me it would be a peace of mind having one for each of my Banksy's I had to buy 2nd market. 50 quid is relative but if you talking signed its a no brainer. At least they offer the option I applaud the effort it is a move forward at least IMO.
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nombei
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September 2006
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POW authentication added, by nombei on Jun 10, 2008 22:08:31 GMT 1, the price seems more than a tad high to me. and i've always thought it was ridiculous that they didn't include a COA once the artists and POW's prints became so popular.
that said, if i ever chose to sell any of my Banksy prints, i wouldn't be surprised if someone wanted this authentication. though i wonder how they can "truly" authenticate prints purchased via Tom Tom, Greenleaf, etc?
the price seems more than a tad high to me. and i've always thought it was ridiculous that they didn't include a COA once the artists and POW's prints became so popular.
that said, if i ever chose to sell any of my Banksy prints, i wouldn't be surprised if someone wanted this authentication. though i wonder how they can "truly" authenticate prints purchased via Tom Tom, Greenleaf, etc?
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POW authentication added, by daz205 on Jun 11, 2008 16:06:32 GMT 1, the price seems more than a tad high to me. and i've always thought it was ridiculous that they didn't include a COA once the artists and POW's prints became so popular. that said, if i ever chose to sell any of my Banksy prints, i wouldn't be surprised if someone wanted this authentication. though i wonder how they can "truly" authenticate prints purchased via Tom Tom, Greenleaf, etc?
especially when the prints maybe framed and they are authenticating ( by the looks of it ) by emailed photos
the price seems more than a tad high to me. and i've always thought it was ridiculous that they didn't include a COA once the artists and POW's prints became so popular. that said, if i ever chose to sell any of my Banksy prints, i wouldn't be surprised if someone wanted this authentication. though i wonder how they can "truly" authenticate prints purchased via Tom Tom, Greenleaf, etc? especially when the prints maybe framed and they are authenticating ( by the looks of it ) by emailed photos
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POW authentication added, by themightyreds on Jun 11, 2008 17:15:33 GMT 1, It's expensive at £50 a go but a fine service to offer that they really don't have to. I wonder if it'll count as proof of ownership/value to insurance companies in the event you have to make a claim?...
It's expensive at £50 a go but a fine service to offer that they really don't have to. I wonder if it'll count as proof of ownership/value to insurance companies in the event you have to make a claim?...
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beefloaf
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May 2008
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POW authentication added, by beefloaf on Jun 11, 2008 17:17:03 GMT 1, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEST CONTROL AND POW AUTHENTICATION, EXCEPT ONE COST MONEY?
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEST CONTROL AND POW AUTHENTICATION, EXCEPT ONE COST MONEY?
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POW authentication added, by mammal2 on Jun 11, 2008 17:22:16 GMT 1, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEST CONTROL AND POW AUTHENTICATION, EXCEPT ONE COST MONEY?
pest control never get back to you. thats the difference!
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEST CONTROL AND POW AUTHENTICATION, EXCEPT ONE COST MONEY? pest control never get back to you. thats the difference!
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G-Man
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November 2007
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POW authentication added, by G-Man on Jun 12, 2008 14:40:50 GMT 1, Talking to Dora, she said that if you bought the Banksy from POW and are the registered owner on their list she can send you an email confirming this for FREE
The £50 is for a CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY for the earlier stuff
So sounds very reasonable to me?
Talking to Dora, she said that if you bought the Banksy from POW and are the registered owner on their list she can send you an email confirming this for FREE
The £50 is for a CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY for the earlier stuff
So sounds very reasonable to me?
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POW authentication added, by Daniel Silk on Jun 12, 2008 14:48:58 GMT 1, Just received this Official POW statement -
Picturesonwalls would like to clarify that if you bought a Banksy print directly from POW & you have all the relevant paperwork, then you will not require a Certificate of Authenticity. We will continue to confirm ownership with our database free of charge, should you be in any doubt. Please use the enquiries@picturesonwalls.com email for this purpose.
Just received this Official POW statement -
Picturesonwalls would like to clarify that if you bought a Banksy print directly from POW & you have all the relevant paperwork, then you will not require a Certificate of Authenticity. We will continue to confirm ownership with our database free of charge, should you be in any doubt. Please use the enquiries@picturesonwalls.com email for this purpose.
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retep
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April 2006
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POW authentication added, by retep on Jun 12, 2008 17:32:24 GMT 1, Just received this Official POW statement - Picturesonwalls would like to clarify that if you bought a Banksy print directly from POW & you have all the relevant paperwork, then you will not require a Certificate of Authenticity.
what paperwork? all you get is an email receipt that could be faked by anyone who is capable of switching on a computer. is that considered a COA?
Just received this Official POW statement - Picturesonwalls would like to clarify that if you bought a Banksy print directly from POW & you have all the relevant paperwork, then you will not require a Certificate of Authenticity.
what paperwork? all you get is an email receipt that could be faked by anyone who is capable of switching on a computer. is that considered a COA?
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ABC
Artist
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Posts • 5,533
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August 2006
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POW authentication added, by ABC on Jun 12, 2008 19:51:59 GMT 1, At the end of the day, time is money and I bet they spend a lot of wasted time answering emails .....can you confirm.etc etc.......
IMO The original email receipt is fine. Although I dont have receipts for all of my bits and bobs.
At the end of the day, time is money and I bet they spend a lot of wasted time answering emails .....can you confirm.etc etc.......
IMO The original email receipt is fine. Although I dont have receipts for all of my bits and bobs.
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