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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by dh on Jul 22, 2008 22:42:23 GMT 1, Also with regards to prices, with Laz involved with Faile's London show I can't see them getting any cheaper. Its obvious Faile's fan base is rapidly expanding so I am glad I have managed to bag a few nice ones as I doubt I will be buying many more.
Also with regards to prices, with Laz involved with Faile's London show I can't see them getting any cheaper. Its obvious Faile's fan base is rapidly expanding so I am glad I have managed to bag a few nice ones as I doubt I will be buying many more.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by Winter on Jul 22, 2008 23:07:45 GMT 1, The fact Laz is selling Confessions for £2k indicates where Laz is regarding prices. Faile have a very bright future and these are still the early days. Faile are fast becoming THE major player in this market.
The fact Laz is selling Confessions for £2k indicates where Laz is regarding prices. Faile have a very bright future and these are still the early days. Faile are fast becoming THE major player in this market.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by felix on Jul 22, 2008 23:16:49 GMT 1, I for one would never pay 2k for one of those prints as they aren't that special, I think they will sit there until Dean Gaffney or Chevy Chase pop by and pick one up.
I for one would never pay 2k for one of those prints as they aren't that special, I think they will sit there until Dean Gaffney or Chevy Chase pop by and pick one up.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by jp on Jul 23, 2008 0:34:13 GMT 1, Also with regards to prices, with Laz involved with Faile's London show I can't see them getting any cheaper. Its obvious Faile's fan base is rapidly expanding so I am glad I have managed to bag a few nice ones as I doubt I will be buying many more.
I won't be buying anything from Faile at these prices. In fact, I have not bought a single print this year (only 1 original drawing). The fact that the Tate print is available is very telling. You may be right about the Laz show but just for kicks I'm tagging this post in Google calendar to refer back to 1 year from today. I did this with a Micallef post last year (he had a highly anticipated show with Laz too) and it is amazing what a difference a year can make!
Also with regards to prices, with Laz involved with Faile's London show I can't see them getting any cheaper. Its obvious Faile's fan base is rapidly expanding so I am glad I have managed to bag a few nice ones as I doubt I will be buying many more. I won't be buying anything from Faile at these prices. In fact, I have not bought a single print this year (only 1 original drawing). The fact that the Tate print is available is very telling. You may be right about the Laz show but just for kicks I'm tagging this post in Google calendar to refer back to 1 year from today. I did this with a Micallef post last year (he had a highly anticipated show with Laz too) and it is amazing what a difference a year can make!
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by RBK on Jul 23, 2008 0:37:04 GMT 1, I've only skimmed this thread so I'll go just based on the topic - it's a great thing they aren't. I think Faile priced them perfectly - not too high, with plenty of entry points depending on your budget, yet not cheap to bring on massive flipping. Top notch if you ask me.
I've only skimmed this thread so I'll go just based on the topic - it's a great thing they aren't. I think Faile priced them perfectly - not too high, with plenty of entry points depending on your budget, yet not cheap to bring on massive flipping. Top notch if you ask me.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by meatbag on Jul 23, 2008 2:53:38 GMT 1, I've only skimmed this thread so I'll go just based on the topic - it's a great thing they aren't. I think Faile priced them perfectly - not too high, with plenty of entry points depending on your budget, yet not cheap to bring on massive flipping. Top notch if you ask me.
i have to agree. More and more work is popping up in forums, ebay and various galleries from the US to the UK. It's finally becoming a buyers market again. Options are good.
I've only skimmed this thread so I'll go just based on the topic - it's a great thing they aren't. I think Faile priced them perfectly - not too high, with plenty of entry points depending on your budget, yet not cheap to bring on massive flipping. Top notch if you ask me. i have to agree. More and more work is popping up in forums, ebay and various galleries from the US to the UK. It's finally becoming a buyers market again. Options are good.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by maadbeats on Jul 23, 2008 5:57:28 GMT 1, i have to agree. More and more work is popping up in forums, ebay and various galleries from the US to the UK. It's finally becoming a buyers market again. Options are good.
Gotta love a buyers market. Vested for the future
i have to agree. More and more work is popping up in forums, ebay and various galleries from the US to the UK. It's finally becoming a buyers market again. Options are good. Gotta love a buyers market. Vested for the future
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by Photoxtc on Jul 23, 2008 6:08:52 GMT 1, if anyone sees anything good let me know!!! I'm buying!!! ;D ;D ;D
if anyone sees anything good let me know!!! I'm buying!!! ;D ;D ;D
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by carlito on Jul 30, 2008 10:06:41 GMT 1, anyone got a new Faile and they want to swap for something different - check out my thread on here
anyone got a new Faile and they want to swap for something different - check out my thread on here
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by Deleted on Aug 2, 2008 18:02:47 GMT 1, Just to reinforce my original post...it looks like a lot of the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling...there's a stencil piece that will sell for barely above cost ending in a couple of hours...
Just to reinforce my original post...it looks like a lot of the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling...there's a stencil piece that will sell for barely above cost ending in a couple of hours...
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by mose on Aug 2, 2008 18:47:04 GMT 1, Its obvious Faile's fan base is rapidly expanding
I'm actually not ready to subscribe to that just yet. It's obvious that speculators are climbing aboard, it is obvious that a few pieces have gone large at auction(and we know that there can be shenanigans there), but I am not quite ready to proclaim that their fan base is rapidly expanding.
To me, it feels like manipulators have turned their attention from elsewhere. Now, I'm not saying things won't truly build, but I am definitely wary at this point. It doesn't look truly deep & wide from my vantage point.
Its obvious Faile's fan base is rapidly expanding I'm actually not ready to subscribe to that just yet. It's obvious that speculators are climbing aboard, it is obvious that a few pieces have gone large at auction(and we know that there can be shenanigans there), but I am not quite ready to proclaim that their fan base is rapidly expanding. To me, it feels like manipulators have turned their attention from elsewhere. Now, I'm not saying things won't truly build, but I am definitely wary at this point. It doesn't look truly deep & wide from my vantage point.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by RBK on Aug 2, 2008 20:53:59 GMT 1, Just to reinforce my original post...it looks like a lot of the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling...there's a stencil piece that will sell for barely above cost ending in a couple of hours...
Your post really rubbed me the wrong way.... They are selling - I think what you meant to say was "the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling for a ridiculous profit."
And to that I say - thank God. Faile's prices stabilized the market a bit by not encouraging crazy levels of flipping/speculation.
Just to reinforce my original post...it looks like a lot of the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling...there's a stencil piece that will sell for barely above cost ending in a couple of hours... Your post really rubbed me the wrong way.... They are selling - I think what you meant to say was "the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling for a ridiculous profit." And to that I say - thank God. Faile's prices stabilized the market a bit by not encouraging crazy levels of flipping/speculation.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by snakes on Aug 2, 2008 22:13:20 GMT 1, well in that case, anyone who has a badseed III that they would like to pass on for not much above coast please feel free to pm me as i quite like it and the wife hates it. It fancy a bit of domestic unrest!
Cheers
well in that case, anyone who has a badseed III that they would like to pass on for not much above coast please feel free to pm me as i quite like it and the wife hates it. It fancy a bit of domestic unrest!
Cheers
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by snausages on Aug 3, 2008 17:47:28 GMT 1, Just to reinforce my original post...it looks like a lot of the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling...there's a stencil piece that will sell for barely above cost ending in a couple of hours... They are selling - I think what you meant to say was "the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling for a ridiculous profit." And to that I say - thank God. Faile's prices stabilized the market a bit by not encouraging crazy levels of flipping/speculation.
Some of them haven't sold and no surprise, as I had mentioned before the lottery that some similar pieces that had sold on ebay prior to the lottery sold for the same or less than what their counterparts in the lottery sold for.
What I wonder is that Faile has raised their prices every single time they've had a release, it got to the point this time where only about (in my opinion) half the pieces were worth buying. If they raise their prices again they'll not only 'stabilize' the market but really kill the enthusiasm for their work too. (in my opinion)
Just to reinforce my original post...it looks like a lot of the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling...there's a stencil piece that will sell for barely above cost ending in a couple of hours... They are selling - I think what you meant to say was "the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling for a ridiculous profit." And to that I say - thank God. Faile's prices stabilized the market a bit by not encouraging crazy levels of flipping/speculation. Some of them haven't sold and no surprise, as I had mentioned before the lottery that some similar pieces that had sold on ebay prior to the lottery sold for the same or less than what their counterparts in the lottery sold for. What I wonder is that Faile has raised their prices every single time they've had a release, it got to the point this time where only about (in my opinion) half the pieces were worth buying. If they raise their prices again they'll not only 'stabilize' the market but really kill the enthusiasm for their work too. (in my opinion)
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by walters on Aug 3, 2008 21:01:26 GMT 1, an unsigned faile captivating just sold on the bay for nearly £200 .cant remember what i paid for one originally but its the only print i own thats gone up in value.pretty sure its gone up four fold,so happy fucking days. sadly its one of those ones i could never sell. faile market seems strong...at least where im concerned.
an unsigned faile captivating just sold on the bay for nearly £200 .cant remember what i paid for one originally but its the only print i own thats gone up in value.pretty sure its gone up four fold,so happy fucking days. sadly its one of those ones i could never sell. faile market seems strong...at least where im concerned.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by maadbeats on Aug 4, 2008 0:39:22 GMT 1, They are selling - I think what you meant to say was "the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling for a ridiculous profit." And to that I say - thank God. Faile's prices stabilized the market a bit by not encouraging crazy levels of flipping/speculation. What I wonder is that Faile has raised their prices every single time they've had a release, it got to the point this time where only about (in my opinion) half the pieces were worth buying. If they raise their prices again they'll not only 'stabilize' the market but really kill the enthusiasm for their work too. (in my opinion)
Hate to break it to you. Every artists price goes up from show to show especially if he/she sells out the previous show. It will always be this way. They NEVER reduce. Not saying that you dont have a chance to pick up a piece in the secondary markey for cost, close to it or sometime even less.
They are selling - I think what you meant to say was "the lottery pieces on eBay aren't selling for a ridiculous profit." And to that I say - thank God. Faile's prices stabilized the market a bit by not encouraging crazy levels of flipping/speculation. What I wonder is that Faile has raised their prices every single time they've had a release, it got to the point this time where only about (in my opinion) half the pieces were worth buying. If they raise their prices again they'll not only 'stabilize' the market but really kill the enthusiasm for their work too. (in my opinion) Hate to break it to you. Every artists price goes up from show to show especially if he/she sells out the previous show. It will always be this way. They NEVER reduce. Not saying that you dont have a chance to pick up a piece in the secondary markey for cost, close to it or sometime even less.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by rhinomilk on Aug 8, 2008 19:06:36 GMT 1, even the previous releases were not good for an immediate flip (someone correct me if i'm wrong, but that's what I observed). you can even check expressobeans.... a few months after release, that's a different story. i think Faile does a pretty god job at pricing their work at the current market price
even the previous releases were not good for an immediate flip (someone correct me if i'm wrong, but that's what I observed). you can even check expressobeans.... a few months after release, that's a different story. i think Faile does a pretty god job at pricing their work at the current market price
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by Francis on Aug 8, 2008 19:20:37 GMT 1, Faile is milking it. They haven't done anything new and worthwhile in a long time. If they don't show progression for the next couple of shows, see what happens in the market.
Faile is milking it. They haven't done anything new and worthwhile in a long time. If they don't show progression for the next couple of shows, see what happens in the market.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by maadbeats on Aug 8, 2008 19:27:43 GMT 1, That applies to all artists though. They start out with their initial style and thats what draws people in. The key is evolving/trying something new and having people dig it and want more. My 2cents. discuss
That applies to all artists though. They start out with their initial style and thats what draws people in. The key is evolving/trying something new and having people dig it and want more. My 2cents. discuss
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by zulu on Aug 8, 2008 20:33:03 GMT 1, Wow... love that GA, gutted I missed it!!!
It was my favourite from the last release by a country mile.
I think people forget that those are sprayed stencils and not screenprints. Given that and the fact that it's from a release of 6, I think $5k is a steal.
Where else could you get a Faile stencil for that sort of money?
I reckon it was a bargain originally and now selling for closer to market value.
What do others reckon?
Wow... love that GA, gutted I missed it!!!
It was my favourite from the last release by a country mile.
I think people forget that those are sprayed stencils and not screenprints. Given that and the fact that it's from a release of 6, I think $5k is a steal.
Where else could you get a Faile stencil for that sort of money?
I reckon it was a bargain originally and now selling for closer to market value.
What do others reckon?
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by jaimesl on Aug 8, 2008 20:59:57 GMT 1, ZULU: I think it probably depends on the finish.
I put my hat in the ring for one of these in the recent release but wasn't sure what it would look like in the flesh.
I love the GA image (IMO Failes strongest image) but I'm not sure if this technique is experimental.
It feels like it's one of those that you would need to see in the flesh, before putting down so much cash.
And at $7k it's competing with BFG, which I think is a pretty big call to make.
ZULU: I think it probably depends on the finish.
I put my hat in the ring for one of these in the recent release but wasn't sure what it would look like in the flesh.
I love the GA image (IMO Failes strongest image) but I'm not sure if this technique is experimental.
It feels like it's one of those that you would need to see in the flesh, before putting down so much cash.
And at $7k it's competing with BFG, which I think is a pretty big call to make.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by graeme501 on Aug 8, 2008 21:01:39 GMT 1, "Has Banksy "progressed" in the last 8 years? I think not"
for some1 in ur position, thats the daftest thing i think ive heard anyone say - banksy has gone, in 8 years, from spraying wee a4 stencils, to doing full scale, coloured, artworks with a clear message in places like bethlehem and cans
if thats not progress, then what is ?
"Has Banksy "progressed" in the last 8 years? I think not"
for some1 in ur position, thats the daftest thing i think ive heard anyone say - banksy has gone, in 8 years, from spraying wee a4 stencils, to doing full scale, coloured, artworks with a clear message in places like bethlehem and cans
if thats not progress, then what is ?
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by graeme501 on Aug 8, 2008 22:07:51 GMT 1, i would totally disagree with u that there has been no artistic progression, but i am daft and u are the banksy expert eh
i would totally disagree with u that there has been no artistic progression, but i am daft and u are the banksy expert eh
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by deepdive on Aug 8, 2008 22:13:05 GMT 1, They haven't done anything new and worthwhile in a long time. If they don't show progression for the next couple of shows, see what happens in the market.
This a common misconception of the art faile produce , It is all about the recycycling of imagery. This is the fundamental of faile.
They haven't done anything new and worthwhile in a long time. If they don't show progression for the next couple of shows, see what happens in the market. This a common misconception of the art faile produce , It is all about the recycycling of imagery. This is the fundamental of faile.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by afroken on Aug 8, 2008 22:23:36 GMT 1, This discussion shows how little patience people have in this scene. Faile's work has evolved massively, but people look at the last 12 months as if it's a whole career. Faile constantly add new images to the mix and mix them up with old ones. Their repertoire just grows and grows. They've said we can expect a load of new work at the Laz show but no doubt they'll continue mixing that with the old stuff. It's what they're all about. To see that as a weakness completely misses the point of what they do.
This discussion shows how little patience people have in this scene. Faile's work has evolved massively, but people look at the last 12 months as if it's a whole career. Faile constantly add new images to the mix and mix them up with old ones. Their repertoire just grows and grows. They've said we can expect a load of new work at the Laz show but no doubt they'll continue mixing that with the old stuff. It's what they're all about. To see that as a weakness completely misses the point of what they do.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by Francis on Aug 8, 2008 23:04:10 GMT 1, A Little Bird, what the heck are you on about?
A Little Bird, what the heck are you on about?
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by snakes on Aug 8, 2008 23:08:50 GMT 1, ..what little bird may be absolutely spot on but maybe the messages that Banksy has tried to put out to the masses has become a little bit obscured and blurred by all of the attraction of an easy buck!
The message has always been there, the fanbase (as another forum member has referred to it) has gone up exponentially but is this a product of what people think they can earn from his work and off of his back? If - say for example his prints were not limited in edition would the interest that he currently has be quite as big as it currently is?
On thing is for sure - if the prints he released were unlimited the hit rate on both this forum and POW would be drastically reduced and maybe a lot of people would actually start getting back out into the real world instead of all this 'F5'ing's**t (or whatever it is on a Mac)....
..what little bird may be absolutely spot on but maybe the messages that Banksy has tried to put out to the masses has become a little bit obscured and blurred by all of the attraction of an easy buck!
The message has always been there, the fanbase (as another forum member has referred to it) has gone up exponentially but is this a product of what people think they can earn from his work and off of his back? If - say for example his prints were not limited in edition would the interest that he currently has be quite as big as it currently is?
On thing is for sure - if the prints he released were unlimited the hit rate on both this forum and POW would be drastically reduced and maybe a lot of people would actually start getting back out into the real world instead of all this 'F5'ing's**t (or whatever it is on a Mac)....
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by Guest on Aug 8, 2008 23:30:42 GMT 1, We just had his biggest show, with free entry, no print sale, with IMO one of his strongest images (Knife Hoodie) with thousands of people attending, and about 20,000 photos on the internet covering the whole show. people are passionate about his work, and no money was involved.
We just had his biggest show, with free entry, no print sale, with IMO one of his strongest images (Knife Hoodie) with thousands of people attending, and about 20,000 photos on the internet covering the whole show. people are passionate about his work, and no money was involved.
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New Failes aren't a flipper's paradise, by snakes on Aug 9, 2008 0:36:32 GMT 1, exactly - people went because it was free (money saver)
the rest (many of us included) - passionate about his work as it earns them (us) money!
exactly - people went because it was free (money saver)
the rest (many of us included) - passionate about his work as it earns them (us) money!
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