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Banksy Exposed, by mcnuts on Jul 14, 2008 12:26:02 GMT 1, IF it really is him so what! ;D It might shatter a few people illusions that they have built up in their minds of some sort of working class hero taking on the establishment  and all that crap! but those sort of people needed to wake up to the real world some day 
cheers for bumping that quote carlo, dont know how I missed it.
Silky, I think you're way off the mark on this one unless the above quote is tongue in cheek which, I hope it is. I really don’t think you're in a position to analyse banksy’s politics and believe that his art says a hell of a lot more about his politics than his supposed background published in a paper that is better used for toilet paper than reading.
Your argument appears to be based on the premise that only people from working class backgrounds can be anti-establishment? So are the obvious political undertones that are in his work supposed to be subverting the subversive? Countering the counter culture? Has banksy really just set out to make art for posh twats afterall and is secretly a card holding member of the conservative party?
I really don’t get your point and perhaps you don’t either but maybe you can elaborate on the perceived disconnect? As it seems really off the mark.
IF it really is him so what! ;D It might shatter a few people illusions that they have built up in their minds of some sort of working class hero taking on the establishment and all that crap! but those sort of people needed to wake up to the real world some day cheers for bumping that quote carlo, dont know how I missed it. Silky, I think you're way off the mark on this one unless the above quote is tongue in cheek which, I hope it is. I really don’t think you're in a position to analyse banksy’s politics and believe that his art says a hell of a lot more about his politics than his supposed background published in a paper that is better used for toilet paper than reading. Your argument appears to be based on the premise that only people from working class backgrounds can be anti-establishment? So are the obvious political undertones that are in his work supposed to be subverting the subversive? Countering the counter culture? Has banksy really just set out to make art for posh twats afterall and is secretly a card holding member of the conservative party? I really don’t get your point and perhaps you don’t either but maybe you can elaborate on the perceived disconnect? As it seems really off the mark. |
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Banksy Exposed, by angryboy on Jul 14, 2008 12:37:43 GMT 1, I thought Silky was saying that you don't have to be from a working class background to be anti-establishment.
I thought Silky was saying that you don't have to be from a working class background to be anti-establishment.
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Banksy Exposed, by mcnuts on Jul 14, 2008 12:40:13 GMT 1, You could be right, guess we'll have to wait and see. The use of "all that crap" seemed disrespectful but I could be wrong. Will see what Silky says.
You could be right, guess we'll have to wait and see. The use of "all that crap" seemed disrespectful but I could be wrong. Will see what Silky says.
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Banksy Exposed, by spirit on Jul 14, 2008 12:40:51 GMT 1, IF it really is him so what! ;D It might shatter a few people illusions that they have built up in their minds of some sort of working class hero taking on the establishment and all that crap! but those sort of people needed to wake up to the real world some day Your argument appears to be based on the premise that only people from working class backgrounds can be anti-establishment?
I don't think Silky was saying that at all....
If anything I think he was suggesting the opposite.
IF it really is him so what! ;D It might shatter a few people illusions that they have built up in their minds of some sort of working class hero taking on the establishment and all that crap! but those sort of people needed to wake up to the real world some day Your argument appears to be based on the premise that only people from working class backgrounds can be anti-establishment? I don't think Silky was saying that at all.... If anything I think he was suggesting the opposite. |
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Banksy Exposed, by leumasdarnley on Jul 14, 2008 12:41:11 GMT 1, The great thing is how can they prove who is REALLY Banksy? <stands on his desk> "I am Banksy"
The great thing is how can they prove who is REALLY Banksy? <stands on his desk> "I am Banksy" |
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Banksy Exposed, by Daniel Silk on Jul 14, 2008 12:41:37 GMT 1, IF it really is him so what! ;D It might shatter a few people illusions that they have built up in their minds of some sort of working class hero taking on the establishment and all that crap! but those sort of people needed to wake up to the real world some day cheers for bumping that quote carlo, dont know how I missed it. Silky, I think you're way off the mark on this one unless the above quote is tongue in cheek which, I hope it is. I really don’t think you're in a position to analyse banksy’s politics and believe that his art says a hell of a lot more about his politics than his supposed background published in a paper that is better used for toilet paper than reading. Your argument appears to be based on the premise that only people from working class backgrounds can be anti-establishment? So are the obvious political undertones that are in his work supposed to be subverting the subversive? Countering the counter culture? Has banksy really just set out to make art for posh t**ts afterall and is secretly a card holding member of the conservative party? I really don’t get your point and perhaps you don’t either but maybe you can elaborate on the perceived disconnect? As it seems really off the mark.
What I'm saying is that I think some people have built up a image and profile of Banksy and his beliefs purely from their own imagination, and what they wish they were like 
Thats just my opinion that I think I'm allowed to have?
Also why do his or anyone else's political beliefs always come up?  I don't see any connections
IF it really is him so what! ;D It might shatter a few people illusions that they have built up in their minds of some sort of working class hero taking on the establishment and all that crap! but those sort of people needed to wake up to the real world some day cheers for bumping that quote carlo, dont know how I missed it. Silky, I think you're way off the mark on this one unless the above quote is tongue in cheek which, I hope it is. I really don’t think you're in a position to analyse banksy’s politics and believe that his art says a hell of a lot more about his politics than his supposed background published in a paper that is better used for toilet paper than reading. Your argument appears to be based on the premise that only people from working class backgrounds can be anti-establishment? So are the obvious political undertones that are in his work supposed to be subverting the subversive? Countering the counter culture? Has banksy really just set out to make art for posh t**ts afterall and is secretly a card holding member of the conservative party? I really don’t get your point and perhaps you don’t either but maybe you can elaborate on the perceived disconnect? As it seems really off the mark. What I'm saying is that I think some people have built up a image and profile of Banksy and his beliefs purely from their own imagination, and what they wish they were like Thats just my opinion that I think I'm allowed to have? Also why do his or anyone else's political beliefs always come up? I don't see any connections |
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Banksy Exposed, by Daniel Silk on Jul 14, 2008 12:45:41 GMT 1, I thought Silky was saying that you don't have to be from a working class background to be anti-establishment.
Exactly! people seem to put you in a box depending on your background They then tell you what Political party you support, what art you should like, what job you should do Who gives a s**t!
I thought Silky was saying that you don't have to be from a working class background to be anti-establishment. Exactly! people seem to put you in a box depending on your background They then tell you what Political party you support, what art you should like, what job you should do Who gives a s**t! |
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Banksy Exposed, by grantb on Jul 14, 2008 12:50:29 GMT 1, doesnt matter whta class his from, what/who he really is. do we really care? we like the images he produces.
doesnt matter whta class his from, what/who he really is. do we really care? we like the images he produces.
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Banksy Exposed, by mcnuts on Jul 14, 2008 12:52:24 GMT 1, Clarity. Apologies for any misinterpretation.
At the same time, looking at the repertoire of Banksy’s images coupled with his activity in the West Bank don’t you think that politics is a pretty important aspect of his work? It would seem that there is a pretty clear political orientation to his work.
Clarity. Apologies for any misinterpretation.
At the same time, looking at the repertoire of Banksy’s images coupled with his activity in the West Bank don’t you think that politics is a pretty important aspect of his work? It would seem that there is a pretty clear political orientation to his work.
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Banksy Exposed, by alsbabar on Jul 14, 2008 12:57:02 GMT 1, boring - close the thread
boring - close the thread
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Banksy Exposed, by angel41 on Jul 14, 2008 13:01:59 GMT 1, It doesn't matter what background he's from but something will definitely be lost just because the whole mystery has/might be shattered. At the end of the day the Scarlet Pimpernel aspect was/is a major part of the Banksy phenomenon.
It doesn't matter what background he's from but something will definitely be lost just because the whole mystery has/might be shattered. At the end of the day the Scarlet Pimpernel aspect was/is a major part of the Banksy phenomenon.
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Banksy Exposed, by alsbabar on Jul 14, 2008 13:07:19 GMT 1, no its f**king not Angel41, as for the scarlet pimpernel theory, there is one on my arse!!!!
His art is the reason i buy and like his pieces - so much bollocks being spoken about on this thread - conjecture, speculation, for those that know wont say f**k all, for those that dont, will assume - lock it, bin and never speak of it again
I bet you wouldnt know who Damien Hirst or Faile are if they walked pass you in the street- not unless someone pointed them/he out to you - so give it a rest and stop s**tting your pants that your banksy collection has lost value!!!
Who gives a f**k, i have more pathetic things to worry about - like someone actually liking Cartrains newest Guernica!!
no its f**king not Angel41, as for the scarlet pimpernel theory, there is one on my arse!!!!
His art is the reason i buy and like his pieces - so much bollocks being spoken about on this thread - conjecture, speculation, for those that know wont say f**k all, for those that dont, will assume - lock it, bin and never speak of it again
I bet you wouldnt know who Damien Hirst or Faile are if they walked pass you in the street- not unless someone pointed them/he out to you - so give it a rest and stop s**tting your pants that your banksy collection has lost value!!!
Who gives a f**k, i have more pathetic things to worry about - like someone actually liking Cartrains newest Guernica!!
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Banksy Exposed, by leumasdarnley on Jul 14, 2008 13:17:43 GMT 1, Exactly who is an artist without his art Banksy is known for his class a bombing sessions, political edge and placement. The animosity was originally just to keep him out of jail and I agree with Silky that maybe it was time for people to realize he is a real person. So what has changed... IMO nothing..
Exactly who is an artist without his art Banksy is known for his class a bombing sessions, political edge and placement. The animosity was originally just to keep him out of jail and I agree with Silky that maybe it was time for people to realize he is a real person. So what has changed... IMO nothing..
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Banksy Exposed, by silvermyn on Jul 14, 2008 13:19:24 GMT 1, Firstly, the school that John Lennon, Les Dennis, Steve Coppell and Clive Barker went to, Quarrybank, now Calderstones, is not a public school. Secondly, the people who initially wanted this thread deleted, grow up. You are acting like children who have just been told that Santa doesn't exist. The alleged photo's of Banksy in Jamaica have been around for a long time and that was just one of a few. The others did actually show him painting the stencils on the walls of the studio. Also, Banksy has done a GWB with a black balloon, I can't remember where I have seen it, but it has been done. And as far as the expose goes, do you really think Banksy is going to stay anonymous for ever? Whether this is or isn't Banksy, who cares. If his back story really makes a difference to you then look else where for an artist whose history you like and can live with.
I'm sorry, but what do you mean "Santa doesn't exist"...?
Firstly, the school that John Lennon, Les Dennis, Steve Coppell and Clive Barker went to, Quarrybank, now Calderstones, is not a public school. Secondly, the people who initially wanted this thread deleted, grow up. You are acting like children who have just been told that Santa doesn't exist. The alleged photo's of Banksy in Jamaica have been around for a long time and that was just one of a few. The others did actually show him painting the stencils on the walls of the studio. Also, Banksy has done a GWB with a black balloon, I can't remember where I have seen it, but it has been done. And as far as the expose goes, do you really think Banksy is going to stay anonymous for ever? Whether this is or isn't Banksy, who cares. If his back story really makes a difference to you then look else where for an artist whose history you like and can live with. I'm sorry, but what do you mean "Santa doesn't exist"...? |
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Banksy Exposed, by angel41 on Jul 14, 2008 13:28:30 GMT 1, no its f**king not Angel41, as for the scarlet pimpernel theory, there is one on my arse!!!! His art is the reason i buy and like his pieces - so much bollocks being spoken about on this thread - conjecture, speculation, for those that know wont say f**k all, for those that dont, will assume - lock it, bin and never speak of it again I bet you wouldnt know who Damien Hirst or Faile are if they walked pass you in the street- not unless someone pointed them/he out to you - so give it a rest and stop s**tting your pants that your banksy collection has lost value!!! Who gives a f**k, i have more pathetic things to worry about - like someone actually liking Cartrains newest Guernica!!
I don't own a Banksy. Never assume, it makes an Ass of U and Me.
no its f**king not Angel41, as for the scarlet pimpernel theory, there is one on my arse!!!! His art is the reason i buy and like his pieces - so much bollocks being spoken about on this thread - conjecture, speculation, for those that know wont say f**k all, for those that dont, will assume - lock it, bin and never speak of it again I bet you wouldnt know who Damien Hirst or Faile are if they walked pass you in the street- not unless someone pointed them/he out to you - so give it a rest and stop s**tting your pants that your banksy collection has lost value!!! Who gives a f**k, i have more pathetic things to worry about - like someone actually liking Cartrains newest Guernica!! I don't own a Banksy. Never assume, it makes an Ass of U and Me. |
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Banksy Exposed, by morrissey1 on Jul 14, 2008 14:41:18 GMT 1, Think about it....if you were Banksy and you had remained somewhat annoymous for the last several years, wouldn't you eventually come to a point where you would at least desire (foolishly or not) to be able to reap some of the social spoils of being a world famous artist? To be annoymous is one thing, can obviously help with creating a mystique, but when it comes time to feel your face in the spotlight (of course he wants that too...he is human and must be somewhat normal).....staying the shadows forever is gonna be a little cold.....we all want to beleive that Banksy is living some lifestyle that he probably isn't really living, that he would want to remain annoymous forever so the story never ends, (not to mention that as art brokers of one sort or another we dont want our "investments" to drop a touch south)....but is it really fair to assume that he wouldn't at some point want a little credit for all the work he's done.....I know, people think that kind of thinking is contrary to the whole "point" of the scene, but the scene is now a major art scene....and there is nothing annoymous about it....IMO
Think about it....if you were Banksy and you had remained somewhat annoymous for the last several years, wouldn't you eventually come to a point where you would at least desire (foolishly or not) to be able to reap some of the social spoils of being a world famous artist? To be annoymous is one thing, can obviously help with creating a mystique, but when it comes time to feel your face in the spotlight (of course he wants that too...he is human and must be somewhat normal).....staying the shadows forever is gonna be a little cold.....we all want to beleive that Banksy is living some lifestyle that he probably isn't really living, that he would want to remain annoymous forever so the story never ends, (not to mention that as art brokers of one sort or another we dont want our "investments" to drop a touch south)....but is it really fair to assume that he wouldn't at some point want a little credit for all the work he's done.....I know, people think that kind of thinking is contrary to the whole "point" of the scene, but the scene is now a major art scene....and there is nothing annoymous about it....IMO
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Banksy Exposed, by Prescription Art on Jul 14, 2008 14:51:36 GMT 1, Why on earth would he, or anyone else for that matter, want to be 'famous' (i.e. recognised constantly on the street). I'm sure he's quite happy as he is right now.
Why on earth would he, or anyone else for that matter, want to be 'famous' (i.e. recognised constantly on the street). I'm sure he's quite happy as he is right now.
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Banksy Exposed, by morrissey1 on Jul 14, 2008 14:58:15 GMT 1, Why on earth would he, or anyone else for that matter, want to be 'famous' (i.e. recognised constantly on the street). I'm sure he's quite happy as he is right now.
of course he, or anyone else for that matter, would not want to be recognized on the street all the time...but sometimes that is the price you pay for a certain level of recognition in your field....deep down there is a desire for most people to feel famous....of course its bad news to say that in this whole "scene"...because its so uncool....but you dont spin up this whole myth to not be famous.......the best waying of remaining truly annoymous in life is to do nothing....
Why on earth would he, or anyone else for that matter, want to be 'famous' (i.e. recognised constantly on the street). I'm sure he's quite happy as he is right now. of course he, or anyone else for that matter, would not want to be recognized on the street all the time...but sometimes that is the price you pay for a certain level of recognition in your field....deep down there is a desire for most people to feel famous....of course its bad news to say that in this whole "scene"...because its so uncool....but you dont spin up this whole myth to not be famous.......the best waying of remaining truly annoymous in life is to do nothing.... |
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Banksy Exposed, by angryboy on Jul 14, 2008 14:58:49 GMT 1, Aye, I think it's off the mark to think that everyone wants fame.
Aye, I think it's off the mark to think that everyone wants fame.
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Banksy Exposed, by Prescription Art on Jul 14, 2008 15:04:17 GMT 1, If he had this 'deep down desire' to feel famous, it wouldn't be hard for him to achieve. The fact that he hasn't gone out to achieve this suggests to me that he's quite happy as things are... and who can blame him. He has all the trappings of success (wealth & the ability to creatively do absolutely whatever he wants) without having paparazzi camped outside his house & taking photos of him when he's fucked on the night bus after an evening out. Or people pestering him to sign shit to stick on ebay. I can't see any reason at all why he'd want to 'come out'.
If he had this 'deep down desire' to feel famous, it wouldn't be hard for him to achieve. The fact that he hasn't gone out to achieve this suggests to me that he's quite happy as things are... and who can blame him. He has all the trappings of success (wealth & the ability to creatively do absolutely whatever he wants) without having paparazzi camped outside his house & taking photos of him when he's fucked on the night bus after an evening out. Or people pestering him to sign shit to stick on ebay. I can't see any reason at all why he'd want to 'come out'.
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Banksy Exposed, by bobbyt23 on Jul 14, 2008 15:05:10 GMT 1, Think about it....if you were Banksy and you had remained somewhat annoymous for the last several years, wouldn't you eventually come to a point where you would at least desire (foolishly or not) to be able to reap some of the social spoils of being a world famous artist? To be annoymous is one thing, can obviously help with creating a mystique, but when it comes time to feel your face in the spotlight (of course he wants that too...he is human and must be somewhat normal).....staying the shadows forever is gonna be a little cold.....we all want to beleive that Banksy is living some lifestyle that he probably isn't really living, that he would want to remain annoymous forever so the story never ends, (not to mention that as art brokers of one sort or another we dont want our "investments" to drop a touch south)....but is it really fair to assume that he wouldn't at some point want a little credit for all the work he's done.....I know, people think that kind of thinking is contrary to the whole "point" of the scene, but the scene is now a major art scene....and there is nothing annoymous about it....IMO
morrissey1 pay Crazyjake!!!!
Think about it....if you were Banksy and you had remained somewhat annoymous for the last several years, wouldn't you eventually come to a point where you would at least desire (foolishly or not) to be able to reap some of the social spoils of being a world famous artist? To be annoymous is one thing, can obviously help with creating a mystique, but when it comes time to feel your face in the spotlight (of course he wants that too...he is human and must be somewhat normal).....staying the shadows forever is gonna be a little cold.....we all want to beleive that Banksy is living some lifestyle that he probably isn't really living, that he would want to remain annoymous forever so the story never ends, (not to mention that as art brokers of one sort or another we dont want our "investments" to drop a touch south)....but is it really fair to assume that he wouldn't at some point want a little credit for all the work he's done.....I know, people think that kind of thinking is contrary to the whole "point" of the scene, but the scene is now a major art scene....and there is nothing annoymous about it....IMO morrissey1 pay Crazyjake!!!! |
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Banksy Exposed, by morrissey1 on Jul 14, 2008 15:10:27 GMT 1, Think about it....if you were Banksy and you had remained somewhat annoymous for the last several years, wouldn't you eventually come to a point where you would at least desire (foolishly or not) to be able to reap some of the social spoils of being a world famous artist? To be annoymous is one thing, can obviously help with creating a mystique, but when it comes time to feel your face in the spotlight (of course he wants that too...he is human and must be somewhat normal).....staying the shadows forever is gonna be a little cold.....we all want to beleive that Banksy is living some lifestyle that he probably isn't really living, that he would want to remain annoymous forever so the story never ends, (not to mention that as art brokers of one sort or another we dont want our "investments" to drop a touch south)....but is it really fair to assume that he wouldn't at some point want a little credit for all the work he's done.....I know, people think that kind of thinking is contrary to the whole "point" of the scene, but the scene is now a major art scene....and there is nothing annoymous about it....IMO morrissey1 pay Crazyjake!!!!
yeah....I had no plans of making it public info on here...but the money order I already paid to CrazyJake has already been endorsed....not saying it was him....but Im not paying twice...under investigation.....and the hearsay continues!
Think about it....if you were Banksy and you had remained somewhat annoymous for the last several years, wouldn't you eventually come to a point where you would at least desire (foolishly or not) to be able to reap some of the social spoils of being a world famous artist? To be annoymous is one thing, can obviously help with creating a mystique, but when it comes time to feel your face in the spotlight (of course he wants that too...he is human and must be somewhat normal).....staying the shadows forever is gonna be a little cold.....we all want to beleive that Banksy is living some lifestyle that he probably isn't really living, that he would want to remain annoymous forever so the story never ends, (not to mention that as art brokers of one sort or another we dont want our "investments" to drop a touch south)....but is it really fair to assume that he wouldn't at some point want a little credit for all the work he's done.....I know, people think that kind of thinking is contrary to the whole "point" of the scene, but the scene is now a major art scene....and there is nothing annoymous about it....IMO morrissey1 pay Crazyjake!!!! yeah....I had no plans of making it public info on here...but the money order I already paid to CrazyJake has already been endorsed....not saying it was him....but Im not paying twice...under investigation.....and the hearsay continues! |
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Banksy Exposed, by carlito on Jul 14, 2008 15:12:29 GMT 1, Clarity. Apologies for any misinterpretation. At the same time, looking at the repertoire of Banksy’s images coupled with his activity in the West Bank don’t you think that politics is a pretty important aspect of his work? It would seem that there is a pretty clear political orientation to his work.
I'm at a loss as to how ppl can't think there's a political angle to his work.....but maybe that's all just in my imagination?
Clarity. Apologies for any misinterpretation. At the same time, looking at the repertoire of Banksy’s images coupled with his activity in the West Bank don’t you think that politics is a pretty important aspect of his work? It would seem that there is a pretty clear political orientation to his work. I'm at a loss as to how ppl can't think there's a political angle to his work.....but maybe that's all just in my imagination? |
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Banksy Exposed, by top on Jul 14, 2008 15:19:42 GMT 1, Clarity. Apologies for any misinterpretation. At the same time, looking at the repertoire of Banksy’s images coupled with his activity in the West Bank don’t you think that politics is a pretty important aspect of his work? It would seem that there is a pretty clear political orientation to his work. I'm at a loss as to how ppl can't think there's a political angle to his work.....but maybe that's all just in my imagination?
Nowt wrong with your imagination carlito..
Incredible isn't it?!
Banksy = politics
Images = a thousand words
Clarity. Apologies for any misinterpretation. At the same time, looking at the repertoire of Banksy’s images coupled with his activity in the West Bank don’t you think that politics is a pretty important aspect of his work? It would seem that there is a pretty clear political orientation to his work. I'm at a loss as to how ppl can't think there's a political angle to his work.....but maybe that's all just in my imagination? Nowt wrong with your imagination carlito.. Incredible isn't it?! Banksy = politics Images = a thousand words |
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Banksy Exposed, by retardthebear on Jul 14, 2008 16:32:47 GMT 1, I reckon Banksy should do a new release to help things blow over 
Who cares if it is or isn't him, what difference does it make to anyone?
If it does turn out he is privately educated etc are you going to sell your Banksy as you've lost respect? Didnt think so! And if you do you my friend, you are a lemon!!
I reckon Banksy should do a new release to help things blow over Who cares if it is or isn't him, what difference does it make to anyone? If it does turn out he is privately educated etc are you going to sell your Banksy as you've lost respect? Didnt think so! And if you do you my friend, you are a lemon!! |
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Banksy Exposed, by dmandpenfold on Jul 14, 2008 17:04:24 GMT 1, he's wearing dark glasses snakes, doesnt need a letterbox
he's wearing dark glasses snakes, doesnt need a letterbox |
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Banksy Exposed, by beefloaf on Jul 14, 2008 17:18:23 GMT 1, Why on earth would he, or anyone else for that matter, want to be 'famous' (i.e. recognised constantly on the street). I'm sure he's quite happy as he is right now.
CHICKS! THAT'S WHY.
Why on earth would he, or anyone else for that matter, want to be 'famous' (i.e. recognised constantly on the street). I'm sure he's quite happy as he is right now. CHICKS! THAT'S WHY. |
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Banksy Exposed, by Pure Evil on Jul 14, 2008 17:32:36 GMT 1, i call bullshit on this.. i hung out with Banksy at CANS and this aint him... the Mail is barking up the wrong tree; what a surprise.
Check out BBC Newsnight tonight.
i call bullshit on this.. i hung out with Banksy at CANS and this aint him... the Mail is barking up the wrong tree; what a surprise.
Check out BBC Newsnight tonight.
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and all that crap! but those sort of people needed to wake up to the real world some day 
I don't see any connections 
