westley
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Jan 26, 2008 22:58:53 GMT 1
, by westley on Jan 26, 2008 22:58:53 GMT 1, Thanks it was mine i was gonna sell on the bay but thought better of it. As to the gold lita i bought it with a few other aps i also have a blue and a purple toxic mary and a white flying copper and a long pulp fiction none of these are signed or numbered but pow did show some at the ghetto this year that were signed
and yes 4k is a lot but you have to aim high
Thanks it was mine i was gonna sell on the bay but thought better of it. As to the gold lita i bought it with a few other aps i also have a blue and a purple toxic mary and a white flying copper and a long pulp fiction none of these are signed or numbered but pow did show some at the ghetto this year that were signed
and yes 4k is a lot but you have to aim high
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Jan 26, 2008 23:44:59 GMT 1
, by finsburyparkranger on Jan 26, 2008 23:44:59 GMT 1, Here's one for Guy:
Thanks mate.
Here's one for Guy: Thanks mate.
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senna
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Jan 27, 2008 1:24:28 GMT 1
, by senna on Jan 27, 2008 1:24:28 GMT 1, Thanks it was mine i was gonna sell on the bay but thought better of it. As to the gold lita i bought it with a few other aps i also have a blue and a purple toxic mary and a white flying copper and a long pulp fiction none of these are signed or numbered but pow did show some at the ghetto this year that were signed and yes 4k is a lot but you have to aim high Bollocks. There is no such thing as unmarked, or indeed unsigned 'test prints' (traditionally known as 'trial proofs') and the same goes for 'artist proofs'. They are produced as guides for both printer and artist and are marked with the abbreviated A/P or T/P and numbered in order that no further copies (such as the 'gold' liita being discussed) are printed and circulated. In addition to these, there will be what are referred to these days as 'printers proofs' (P/P's) and used to be called 'workshop impressions', intended to remain the property of the print studio, along with one other print known as a BAT which essentially is the proof that the master printer will use to match quality of the prints produced for the whole edition. In short, an edition of 100 prints should yield no more than the following 'extra's': 1 BAT (property of printer) 1 P/P (property of print studio) 10 A/P's (property of the artist) X T/P's (property of artist, the total is defined when desired impression is reached) I repeat, all of the above are numbered and signed, ideally at the time of production in the presence of both artist and printer. Any print without these markings should never be in circulation and should be considered worse than worthless.
understood but, they will never be
"considered worse than worthless" & they will always be desirable.
they're not fake, as they come from the same run,paper,ink etc.
as the saying goes
"they are worth what ever someone wants to..."
my humble opinion
Thanks it was mine i was gonna sell on the bay but thought better of it. As to the gold lita i bought it with a few other aps i also have a blue and a purple toxic mary and a white flying copper and a long pulp fiction none of these are signed or numbered but pow did show some at the ghetto this year that were signed and yes 4k is a lot but you have to aim high Bollocks. There is no such thing as unmarked, or indeed unsigned 'test prints' (traditionally known as 'trial proofs') and the same goes for 'artist proofs'. They are produced as guides for both printer and artist and are marked with the abbreviated A/P or T/P and numbered in order that no further copies (such as the 'gold' liita being discussed) are printed and circulated. In addition to these, there will be what are referred to these days as 'printers proofs' (P/P's) and used to be called 'workshop impressions', intended to remain the property of the print studio, along with one other print known as a BAT which essentially is the proof that the master printer will use to match quality of the prints produced for the whole edition. In short, an edition of 100 prints should yield no more than the following 'extra's': 1 BAT (property of printer) 1 P/P (property of print studio) 10 A/P's (property of the artist) X T/P's (property of artist, the total is defined when desired impression is reached) I repeat, all of the above are numbered and signed, ideally at the time of production in the presence of both artist and printer. Any print without these markings should never be in circulation and should be considered worse than worthless. understood but, they will never be "considered worse than worthless" & they will always be desirable. they're not fake, as they come from the same run,paper,ink etc. as the saying goes "they are worth what ever someone wants to..." my humble opinion
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senna
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Jan 27, 2008 1:56:20 GMT 1
, by senna on Jan 27, 2008 1:56:20 GMT 1, I understand what you're saying regarding desirability of image, but you're missing the point. How can you ever know "they're not fake, as they come from the same run, paper, ink etc"? You can't, and that's the point, they could just have easily been made in Leicester last week or in Norwich next week.
I havn't missed the point dude.
the point I'm trying to make is that they will always be worth something to someone & in some cases, people will pay even more for one of these "anomalies".
I've been lucky enough to seen/own many different Banksy prints
& all the unnumbered/unsigned/un accounted for prints I've seen are indistinguishable from the official editions
I agree that all these should have been destroyed
but in reality they will always exist & we will always talk about them
I don't think my gold liita is worth much (relative to a signed one) financially, but it's definitely special
I understand what you're saying regarding desirability of image, but you're missing the point. How can you ever know "they're not fake, as they come from the same run, paper, ink etc"? You can't, and that's the point, they could just have easily been made in Leicester last week or in Norwich next week. I havn't missed the point dude. the point I'm trying to make is that they will always be worth something to someone & in some cases, people will pay even more for one of these "anomalies". I've been lucky enough to seen/own many different Banksy prints & all the unnumbered/unsigned/un accounted for prints I've seen are indistinguishable from the official editions I agree that all these should have been destroyed but in reality they will always exist & we will always talk about them I don't think my gold liita is worth much (relative to a signed one) financially, but it's definitely special
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craigf
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Jan 27, 2008 9:49:16 GMT 1
, by craigf on Jan 27, 2008 9:49:16 GMT 1, Thanks it was mine i was gonna sell on the bay but thought better of it. As to the gold lita i bought it with a few other aps i also have a blue and a purple toxic mary and a white flying copper and a long pulp fiction none of these are signed or numbered but pow did show some at the ghetto this year that were signed and yes 4k is a lot but you have to aim high
Authenticity is always going to be an issue, but putting to one side whether these are back door / AP's / the creation of a spotty 14 year old in his back room I like the sound of the prints above purely as prints. The varied TM's at SG this year were a nice new spin on the image ;D
Thanks it was mine i was gonna sell on the bay but thought better of it. As to the gold lita i bought it with a few other aps i also have a blue and a purple toxic mary and a white flying copper and a long pulp fiction none of these are signed or numbered but pow did show some at the ghetto this year that were signed and yes 4k is a lot but you have to aim high Authenticity is always going to be an issue, but putting to one side whether these are back door / AP's / the creation of a spotty 14 year old in his back room I like the sound of the prints above purely as prints. The varied TM's at SG this year were a nice new spin on the image ;D
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foundation
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Jan 27, 2008 10:58:51 GMT 1
, by foundation on Jan 27, 2008 10:58:51 GMT 1, I understand what you're saying regarding desirability of image, but you're missing the point. How can you ever know "they're not fake, as they come from the same run, paper, ink etc"? You can't, and that's the point, they could just have easily been made in Leicester last week or in Norwich next week. I havn't missed the point dude. the point I'm trying to make is that they will always be worth something to someone & in some cases, people will pay even more for one of these "anomalies". I've been lucky enough to seen/own many different Banksy prints & all the unnumbered/unsigned/un accounted for prints I've seen are indistinguishable from the official editions I agree that all these should have been destroyed but in reality they will always exist & we will always talk about them I don't think my gold liita is worth much (relative to a signed one) financially, but it's definitely special You have both a streched pulp and a gold LITTA Senna, so are duty bound to defend these prints, Personally I dont like the idea that they are in circulation at all and are generally unverifiable ( try using the line that they feel the same as provenance and see how far it goes....). You have been arround long enough to know exactly what you were buying, sellers trying to embellish sales pitch by giving release dates and edition numbers is blatantly wrong and lies, taking advantage of some who might not know any better and trying to give credence to something that is at best an interesting poster. There are a few folk here who are quite partial to a bit of backdoor printage, and it makes me laugh as a certain few feel that spending ยฃ400 on a backdoor print is a great deal ( would be as well hanging a photocopy for the reasons Charles went into), and those selling them..... its a shame the numbers never seem to drop.... 5 years later and there is still backdoor prints appearing but the buyers still line up thinking they are getting something special. As for those with nice Banksy collections, sat there in the middle, not really caring, the circulation of these prints is the one sure fire way to devalue your entire collection ( and if you say you dont care about the value and its all about the image, fair enough, give me your prints and I'll give you some great photocopies back to hang on your walls). If a 1000 backdoor christ with shoppings hit the market today, do you really believe the 82 in circulation would still hold their value at about 20K?
Sorry to rant, but these prints were, are and will be unauthorised pieces of curiosity at best, peddled generally by lying tossers whi try to legitimise them to make a quick profit at other folks expense.
I understand what you're saying regarding desirability of image, but you're missing the point. How can you ever know "they're not fake, as they come from the same run, paper, ink etc"? You can't, and that's the point, they could just have easily been made in Leicester last week or in Norwich next week. I havn't missed the point dude. the point I'm trying to make is that they will always be worth something to someone & in some cases, people will pay even more for one of these "anomalies". I've been lucky enough to seen/own many different Banksy prints & all the unnumbered/unsigned/un accounted for prints I've seen are indistinguishable from the official editions I agree that all these should have been destroyed but in reality they will always exist & we will always talk about them I don't think my gold liita is worth much (relative to a signed one) financially, but it's definitely special You have both a streched pulp and a gold LITTA Senna, so are duty bound to defend these prints, Personally I dont like the idea that they are in circulation at all and are generally unverifiable ( try using the line that they feel the same as provenance and see how far it goes....). You have been arround long enough to know exactly what you were buying, sellers trying to embellish sales pitch by giving release dates and edition numbers is blatantly wrong and lies, taking advantage of some who might not know any better and trying to give credence to something that is at best an interesting poster. There are a few folk here who are quite partial to a bit of backdoor printage, and it makes me laugh as a certain few feel that spending ยฃ400 on a backdoor print is a great deal ( would be as well hanging a photocopy for the reasons Charles went into), and those selling them..... its a shame the numbers never seem to drop.... 5 years later and there is still backdoor prints appearing but the buyers still line up thinking they are getting something special. As for those with nice Banksy collections, sat there in the middle, not really caring, the circulation of these prints is the one sure fire way to devalue your entire collection ( and if you say you dont care about the value and its all about the image, fair enough, give me your prints and I'll give you some great photocopies back to hang on your walls). If a 1000 backdoor christ with shoppings hit the market today, do you really believe the 82 in circulation would still hold their value at about 20K? Sorry to rant, but these prints were, are and will be unauthorised pieces of curiosity at best, peddled generally by lying tossers whi try to legitimise them to make a quick profit at other folks expense.
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gbh
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Jan 27, 2008 11:01:22 GMT 1
, by gbh on Jan 27, 2008 11:01:22 GMT 1, +1 foundation
+1 foundation
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craigf
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Jan 27, 2008 11:23:38 GMT 1
, by craigf on Jan 27, 2008 11:23:38 GMT 1, You can't really argue with Foundation's point
To put it in context given the choice of an unsigned numbered red LITTA or a gold one what would you go for? Red wins everytime for me anyway ;D
You can't really argue with Foundation's point
To put it in context given the choice of an unsigned numbered red LITTA or a gold one what would you go for? Red wins everytime for me anyway ;D
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Jan 27, 2008 12:20:11 GMT 1
, by finsburyparkranger on Jan 27, 2008 12:20:11 GMT 1, Yeah I think foundation is right and that in 40 years time when people start pulling backdoor prints out on the antiques road show, the experts will shake their head and go 'oh this is a real shame, you may not be aware but this is not from the official run and indeed there is no way of telling if it was pulled by the POW team at all, if it was an official print with correct provenance i could have said this will be worth ยฃ32'000 but unfortunately you may struggle to get even 10% of that in todays market'.
However in the big scheme of things sometimes i think these discussions are like aborigine's arguing how to make the best Didgeridoo whilst the English are stepping on to their land ...
www.slide.com/r/4AiWk8Kvsz-iTDs1Xw5oYe60I8WBZz2n
Yeah I think foundation is right and that in 40 years time when people start pulling backdoor prints out on the antiques road show, the experts will shake their head and go 'oh this is a real shame, you may not be aware but this is not from the official run and indeed there is no way of telling if it was pulled by the POW team at all, if it was an official print with correct provenance i could have said this will be worth ยฃ32'000 but unfortunately you may struggle to get even 10% of that in todays market'. However in the big scheme of things sometimes i think these discussions are like aborigine's arguing how to make the best Didgeridoo whilst the English are stepping on to their land ... www.slide.com/r/4AiWk8Kvsz-iTDs1Xw5oYe60I8WBZz2n
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rillo
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Jan 27, 2008 12:31:44 GMT 1
, by rillo on Jan 27, 2008 12:31:44 GMT 1,
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my humble opinion
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tainted by your own case full of backdoor trot
[/quote] my humble opinion [/quote] tainted by your own case full of backdoor trot
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senna
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Jan 27, 2008 16:16:37 GMT 1
, by senna on Jan 27, 2008 16:16:37 GMT 1, I havn't missed the point dude. the point I'm trying to make is that they will always be worth something to someone & in some cases, people will pay even more for one of these "anomalies". I've been lucky enough to seen/own many different Banksy prints & all the unnumbered/unsigned/un accounted for prints I've seen are indistinguishable from the official editions I agree that all these should have been destroyed but in reality they will always exist & we will always talk about them I don't think my gold liita is worth much (relative to a signed one) financially, but it's definitely special You have both a streched pulp and a gold LITTA Senna, so are duty bound to defend these prints, Personally I dont like the idea that they are in circulation at all and are generally unverifiable ( try using the line that they feel the same as provenance and see how far it goes....). You have been arround long enough to know exactly what you were buying, sellers trying to embellish sales pitch by giving release dates and edition numbers is blatantly wrong and lies, taking advantage of some who might not know any better and trying to give credence to something that is at best an interesting poster. There are a few folk here who are quite partial to a bit of backdoor printage, and it makes me laugh as a certain few feel that spending ยฃ400 on a backdoor print is a great deal ( would be as well hanging a photocopy for the reasons Charles went into), and those selling them..... its a shame the numbers never seem to drop.... 5 years later and there is still backdoor prints appearing but the buyers still line up thinking they are getting something special. As for those with nice Banksy collections, sat there in the middle, not really caring, the circulation of these prints is the one sure fire way to devalue your entire collection ( and if you say you dont care about the value and its all about the image, fair enough, give me your prints and I'll give you some great photocopies back to hang on your walls). If a 1000 backdoor christ with shoppings hit the market today, do you really believe the 82 in circulation would still hold their value at about 20K? Sorry to rant, but these prints were, are and will be unauthorised pieces of curiosity at best, peddled generally by lying tossers whi try to legitimise them to make a quick profit at other folks expense.
ok ok.
If you think by me saying that i dont think they are worth a lot & that i think they should have all been destroyed is promoting them, then you are just looking for an argument & just seeing red as you always do when this subject is brought up, instead of actually reading my words.
i live in the real world & in that world, these damn things exist. I am not condoning them in any way.
If i could have had a signed numbered stretch at the time, I would have.
If i could have a gold liita, again I would, same goes for anything else produced, out of the norm.
Most people didn't even know a stretch pulp exsisted, they do now. & nearly all have said they prefer it.
I would like to know where the information "edition of 12 from 2004 came from? THATS trying to promote it!
they are not & have never been sold by me.
I know you are not calling me a tosser
Rillo; you don't know me or what I have or don't have,so please refrain from commenting unless you KNOW what you are talking.about. I don't do internet aggression
I havn't missed the point dude. the point I'm trying to make is that they will always be worth something to someone & in some cases, people will pay even more for one of these "anomalies". I've been lucky enough to seen/own many different Banksy prints & all the unnumbered/unsigned/un accounted for prints I've seen are indistinguishable from the official editions I agree that all these should have been destroyed but in reality they will always exist & we will always talk about them I don't think my gold liita is worth much (relative to a signed one) financially, but it's definitely special You have both a streched pulp and a gold LITTA Senna, so are duty bound to defend these prints, Personally I dont like the idea that they are in circulation at all and are generally unverifiable ( try using the line that they feel the same as provenance and see how far it goes....). You have been arround long enough to know exactly what you were buying, sellers trying to embellish sales pitch by giving release dates and edition numbers is blatantly wrong and lies, taking advantage of some who might not know any better and trying to give credence to something that is at best an interesting poster. There are a few folk here who are quite partial to a bit of backdoor printage, and it makes me laugh as a certain few feel that spending ยฃ400 on a backdoor print is a great deal ( would be as well hanging a photocopy for the reasons Charles went into), and those selling them..... its a shame the numbers never seem to drop.... 5 years later and there is still backdoor prints appearing but the buyers still line up thinking they are getting something special. As for those with nice Banksy collections, sat there in the middle, not really caring, the circulation of these prints is the one sure fire way to devalue your entire collection ( and if you say you dont care about the value and its all about the image, fair enough, give me your prints and I'll give you some great photocopies back to hang on your walls). If a 1000 backdoor christ with shoppings hit the market today, do you really believe the 82 in circulation would still hold their value at about 20K? Sorry to rant, but these prints were, are and will be unauthorised pieces of curiosity at best, peddled generally by lying tossers whi try to legitimise them to make a quick profit at other folks expense. ok ok. If you think by me saying that i dont think they are worth a lot & that i think they should have all been destroyed is promoting them, then you are just looking for an argument & just seeing red as you always do when this subject is brought up, instead of actually reading my words. i live in the real world & in that world, these damn things exist. I am not condoning them in any way. If i could have had a signed numbered stretch at the time, I would have. If i could have a gold liita, again I would, same goes for anything else produced, out of the norm. Most people didn't even know a stretch pulp exsisted, they do now. & nearly all have said they prefer it. I would like to know where the information "edition of 12 from 2004 came from? THATS trying to promote it! they are not & have never been sold by me. I know you are not calling me a tosser Rillo; you don't know me or what I have or don't have,so please refrain from commenting unless you KNOW what you are talking.about. I don't do internet aggression
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guest2
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Jan 27, 2008 16:40:18 GMT 1
, by guest2 on Jan 27, 2008 16:40:18 GMT 1, ..... I don't do internet aggression
Nice one senna, but did you just neg me? My respect points just went down 1 ;D
..... I don't do internet aggression Nice one senna, but did you just neg me? My respect points just went down 1 ;D
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Jan 27, 2008 16:48:29 GMT 1
, by Deleted on Jan 27, 2008 16:48:29 GMT 1, Yeah I think foundation is right and that in 40 years time when people start pulling backdoor prints out on the antiques road show, the experts will shake their head and go 'oh this is a real shame, you may not be aware but this is not from the official run and indeed there is no way of telling if it was pulled by the POW team at all, if it was an official print with correct provenance i could have said this will be worth ยฃ32'000 but unfortunately you may struggle to get even 10% of that in todays market'. However in the big scheme of things sometimes i think these discussions are like aborigine's arguing how to make the best Didgeridoo whilst the English are stepping on to their land ... www.slide.com/r/4AiWk8Kvsz-iTDs1Xw5oYe60I8WBZz2n
call me crazy but, i don't think anyone will be bringing these to antiques roadshow. i personally love street art, but considering the breadth of collectors/interest relative to other things (furniture), i think that this stuff will continue to be a small niche for collectors. then again, who knows...
Yeah I think foundation is right and that in 40 years time when people start pulling backdoor prints out on the antiques road show, the experts will shake their head and go 'oh this is a real shame, you may not be aware but this is not from the official run and indeed there is no way of telling if it was pulled by the POW team at all, if it was an official print with correct provenance i could have said this will be worth ยฃ32'000 but unfortunately you may struggle to get even 10% of that in todays market'. However in the big scheme of things sometimes i think these discussions are like aborigine's arguing how to make the best Didgeridoo whilst the English are stepping on to their land ... www.slide.com/r/4AiWk8Kvsz-iTDs1Xw5oYe60I8WBZz2ncall me crazy but, i don't think anyone will be bringing these to antiques roadshow. i personally love street art, but considering the breadth of collectors/interest relative to other things (furniture), i think that this stuff will continue to be a small niche for collectors. then again, who knows...
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Jan 27, 2008 16:57:56 GMT 1
, by Filipino Box Spring Hog on Jan 27, 2008 16:57:56 GMT 1, people bring old concert posters to antiques roadshow - that's a small niche for collectors - a niche is a niche is a niche
people bring old concert posters to antiques roadshow - that's a small niche for collectors - a niche is a niche is a niche
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foundation
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Jan 27, 2008 17:03:04 GMT 1
, by foundation on Jan 27, 2008 17:03:04 GMT 1, Not looking for an argument with you senna, and lord knows this one will most likely rattle on as long as someone has an opinion on it. Backdoor prints are out there as are authorised APs, PPs etc. I readily accept that they are different and interesting, but just as easily knocked up last week and sold to unsuspecting newcomers as genuine, with them having no way of knowing and westly using details such as limited run of 12 from 2004 in his description is very misleading. I do take this subject rather personally as I almost bought a backdoor monkey queen from a certain individual who used to sell a fair selection of backdoor goodies, about 2 1/2 years ago and was stopped on the advice of those who knew better, saved me some money and trouble and taught me a lesson. The main, genuine reason anyone can have for selling backdoor prints is to prey on others greed or ignorance in most cases. The trade of regular run backdoor prints devalues anyones collection of regular run banksy prints.
Not looking for an argument with you senna, and lord knows this one will most likely rattle on as long as someone has an opinion on it. Backdoor prints are out there as are authorised APs, PPs etc. I readily accept that they are different and interesting, but just as easily knocked up last week and sold to unsuspecting newcomers as genuine, with them having no way of knowing and westly using details such as limited run of 12 from 2004 in his description is very misleading. I do take this subject rather personally as I almost bought a backdoor monkey queen from a certain individual who used to sell a fair selection of backdoor goodies, about 2 1/2 years ago and was stopped on the advice of those who knew better, saved me some money and trouble and taught me a lesson. The main, genuine reason anyone can have for selling backdoor prints is to prey on others greed or ignorance in most cases. The trade of regular run backdoor prints devalues anyones collection of regular run banksy prints.
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foundation
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Jan 27, 2008 17:09:15 GMT 1
, by foundation on Jan 27, 2008 17:09:15 GMT 1, Yeah I think foundation is right and that in 40 years time when people start pulling backdoor prints out on the antiques road show, the experts will shake their head and go 'oh this is a real shame, you may not be aware but this is not from the official run and indeed there is no way of telling if it was pulled by the POW team at all, if it was an official print with correct provenance i could have said this will be worth ยฃ32'000 but unfortunately you may struggle to get even 10% of that in todays market'. However in the big scheme of things sometimes i think these discussions are like aborigine's arguing how to make the best Didgeridoo whilst the English are stepping on to their land ... www.slide.com/r/4AiWk8Kvsz-iTDs1Xw5oYe60I8WBZz2ncall me crazy but, i don't think anyone will be bringing these to antiques roadshow. i personally love street art, but considering the breadth of collectors/interest relative to other things (furniture), i think that this stuff will continue to be a small niche for collectors. then again, who knows... I think you might be suprised what alot of what we are talking about now will be worth in a couple of years time ( admittedly alot more will be utterly feckin worthless).
Yeah I think foundation is right and that in 40 years time when people start pulling backdoor prints out on the antiques road show, the experts will shake their head and go 'oh this is a real shame, you may not be aware but this is not from the official run and indeed there is no way of telling if it was pulled by the POW team at all, if it was an official print with correct provenance i could have said this will be worth ยฃ32'000 but unfortunately you may struggle to get even 10% of that in todays market'. However in the big scheme of things sometimes i think these discussions are like aborigine's arguing how to make the best Didgeridoo whilst the English are stepping on to their land ... www.slide.com/r/4AiWk8Kvsz-iTDs1Xw5oYe60I8WBZz2ncall me crazy but, i don't think anyone will be bringing these to antiques roadshow. i personally love street art, but considering the breadth of collectors/interest relative to other things (furniture), i think that this stuff will continue to be a small niche for collectors. then again, who knows... I think you might be suprised what alot of what we are talking about now will be worth in a couple of years time ( admittedly alot more will be utterly feckin worthless).
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senna
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Jan 27, 2008 17:30:05 GMT 1
, by senna on Jan 27, 2008 17:30:05 GMT 1, Not looking for an argument with you senna, and lord knows this one will most likely rattle on as long as someone has an opinion on it. Backdoor prints are out there as are authorised APs, PPs etc. I readily accept that they are different and interesting, but just as easily knocked up last week and sold to unsuspecting newcomers as genuine, with them having no way of knowing and westly using details such as limited run of 12 from 2004 in his description is very misleading. I do take this subject rather personally as I almost bought a backdoor monkey queen from a certain individual who used to sell a fair selection of backdoor goodies, about 2 1/2 years ago and was stopped on the advice of those who knew better, saved me some money and trouble and taught me a lesson. The main, genuine reason anyone can have for selling backdoor prints is to prey on others greed or ignorance in most cases. The trade of regular run backdoor prints devalues anyones collection of regular run banksy prints.
agreed. I still love you
what of those who have sold the BD prints in the past & have described them as unsigned unnumbered with no provenance?
are you saying that these are printed after the event? ie after the normal print run?
but then again, what's a normal print run? they are not always printed at once & indeed at one point [back in the day] they (we're talking Banksy's yeh) were printed to order (i believe).
you're right again in saying we could go on about this forever...lets ;D
thats what we're here for
Not looking for an argument with you senna, and lord knows this one will most likely rattle on as long as someone has an opinion on it. Backdoor prints are out there as are authorised APs, PPs etc. I readily accept that they are different and interesting, but just as easily knocked up last week and sold to unsuspecting newcomers as genuine, with them having no way of knowing and westly using details such as limited run of 12 from 2004 in his description is very misleading. I do take this subject rather personally as I almost bought a backdoor monkey queen from a certain individual who used to sell a fair selection of backdoor goodies, about 2 1/2 years ago and was stopped on the advice of those who knew better, saved me some money and trouble and taught me a lesson. The main, genuine reason anyone can have for selling backdoor prints is to prey on others greed or ignorance in most cases. The trade of regular run backdoor prints devalues anyones collection of regular run banksy prints. agreed. I still love you what of those who have sold the BD prints in the past & have described them as unsigned unnumbered with no provenance? are you saying that these are printed after the event? ie after the normal print run? but then again, what's a normal print run? they are not always printed at once & indeed at one point [back in the day] they (we're talking Banksy's yeh) were printed to order (i believe). you're right again in saying we could go on about this forever...lets ;D thats what we're here for
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Jan 27, 2008 17:31:12 GMT 1
, by senna on Jan 27, 2008 17:31:12 GMT 1, ..... I don't do internet aggression Nice one senna, but did you just neg me? My respect points just went down 1 ;D
+ 1? ;D ;D ;D ;D
..... I don't do internet aggression Nice one senna, but did you just neg me? My respect points just went down 1 ;D + 1? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Jan 27, 2008 17:42:24 GMT 1
, by foundation on Jan 27, 2008 17:42:24 GMT 1, Love you too senna
Must agree the stories folk have come up with in the past have always amused me..... as you said, part of the un-numbered unsigned edition, Banksy gave me 10 unsigned prints for unblocking his lavvy, I had a flatwarming party and they were there the next morning, Banksy must have been at my party...... got pissed / stoned / had sex ( delete as appropriate) with Banksy and he gave me some prints...
Just a thought but if Banksy actually wandered about distributing his unique brad of art behind him like the bastard child of the pied piper and russel brand.... he might be a bit less annonomous. I had thought that after a few years the ammount of older backdoor prints would have died down, but it doesnt seem to be the case yet...
Love you too senna Must agree the stories folk have come up with in the past have always amused me..... as you said, part of the un-numbered unsigned edition, Banksy gave me 10 unsigned prints for unblocking his lavvy, I had a flatwarming party and they were there the next morning, Banksy must have been at my party...... got pissed / stoned / had sex ( delete as appropriate) with Banksy and he gave me some prints... Just a thought but if Banksy actually wandered about distributing his unique brad of art behind him like the bastard child of the pied piper and russel brand.... he might be a bit less annonomous. I had thought that after a few years the ammount of older backdoor prints would have died down, but it doesnt seem to be the case yet...
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Jan 27, 2008 17:47:43 GMT 1
, by foundation on Jan 27, 2008 17:47:43 GMT 1, [quote author=senna board=ebaychat thread=1198794786 post=1201451405
what of those who have sold the BD prints in the past & have described them as unsigned unnumbered with no provenance?
are you saying that these are printed after the event? ie after the normal print run?
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Not often the case, but who's to say they havent been knocked up after the event, a decent scanner and the right kit should provide no significant barrier to the dedicated coppier these days, hence the faith put in stamps, numbering and provenance. There is NO regulation with the BD stuff, so no way to prove when and where they were printed....
[quote author=senna board=ebaychat thread=1198794786 post=1201451405
what of those who have sold the BD prints in the past & have described them as unsigned unnumbered with no provenance?
are you saying that these are printed after the event? ie after the normal print run?
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Not often the case, but who's to say they havent been knocked up after the event, a decent scanner and the right kit should provide no significant barrier to the dedicated coppier these days, hence the faith put in stamps, numbering and provenance. There is NO regulation with the BD stuff, so no way to prove when and where they were printed....
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Jan 27, 2008 18:15:17 GMT 1
, by senna on Jan 27, 2008 18:15:17 GMT 1, [quote I had thought that after a few years the ammount of older backdoor prints would have died down, but it doesnt seem to be the case yet...[/quote]
maybe its the same few going around?
[quote I had thought that after a few years the ammount of older backdoor prints would have died down, but it doesnt seem to be the case yet...[/quote] maybe its the same few going around?
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Jan 30, 2008 21:25:33 GMT 1
, by finsburyparkranger on Jan 30, 2008 21:25:33 GMT 1, The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow.
www.
The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow. www.
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Jan 30, 2008 21:35:17 GMT 1
, by guest2 on Jan 30, 2008 21:35:17 GMT 1, The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow. www.
don't tell me, M.S. exclusive?
The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow. www. don't tell me, M.S. exclusive?
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Jan 30, 2008 23:25:27 GMT 1
, by brenclan on Jan 30, 2008 23:25:27 GMT 1, The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow. www. don't tell me, M.S. exclusive?
What? "Sale Ends" is the exclusive?!
That should get you a few more hits
The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow. www. don't tell me, M.S. exclusive? What? "Sale Ends" is the exclusive?! That should get you a few more hits
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foundation
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Jan 31, 2008 10:30:18 GMT 1
, by foundation on Jan 31, 2008 10:30:18 GMT 1, 230218327381
same seller as the gold LITTA now selling a backdoor red edition.... another test print westley?
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same seller as the gold LITTA now selling a backdoor red edition.... another test print westley?
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Jan 31, 2008 10:38:59 GMT 1
, by carl on Jan 31, 2008 10:38:59 GMT 1, The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow. www.
And a bloody fine exclusive it is too!
The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow. www. And a bloody fine exclusive it is too!
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Feb 1, 2008 15:19:12 GMT 1
, by finsburyparkranger on Feb 1, 2008 15:19:12 GMT 1, The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow. www. And a bloody fine exclusive it is too!
Thanks Carl. For those that have not seen it yet there is an artist interview exclusive on saboteur from the main man, Mr Peter Kenard, enjoy.
Many thanks to Yomster for his hard work.
The second exclusive will be revealed tomorrow. www. And a bloody fine exclusive it is too! Thanks Carl. For those that have not seen it yet there is an artist interview exclusive on saboteur from the main man, Mr Peter Kenard, enjoy. Many thanks to Yomster for his hard work.
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Feb 24, 2008 16:20:46 GMT 1
, by finsburyparkranger on Feb 24, 2008 16:20:46 GMT 1, Hey guys,
Here's a new film by Yomi about the Black Rat Press day.
Enjoy.
Hey guys, Here's a new film by Yomi about the Black Rat Press day. Enjoy.
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Mar 18, 2008 11:03:15 GMT 1
, by covertshadowops on Mar 18, 2008 11:03:15 GMT 1, any chance of FUTURA... the godfather of all this shit.. getting a place on the selling area?
any chance of FUTURA... the godfather of all this shit.. getting a place on the selling area?
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