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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by bullet on Oct 16, 2008 17:07:38 GMT 1, Following a little thread about someone swapping a Banksy for a Nick Walker Ratatouille the question was raised about prov.
Would you swap a banksy or buy a banksy without pest control provenance?
Following a little thread about someone swapping a Banksy for a Nick Walker Ratatouille the question was raised about prov.
Would you swap a banksy or buy a banksy without pest control provenance?
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by Daniel Silk on Oct 16, 2008 17:12:01 GMT 1, YES.
PestControl Prov would be nice ;D but out of all the Banksy prints that have been produced, how many currently have PestControl prov with them? I would say less than 10% maybe less than 5% nothing wrong with them just they aint had it done yet.
YES. PestControl Prov would be nice ;D but out of all the Banksy prints that have been produced, how many currently have PestControl prov with them? I would say less than 10% maybe less than 5% nothing wrong with them just they aint had it done yet.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 16, 2008 17:12:56 GMT 1, I think it's normall going to be fine from a fellow forumite who can offer some references as well as the original proof of purchase. But you have to follow your gut and contact POW if in doubt.
I think it's normall going to be fine from a fellow forumite who can offer some references as well as the original proof of purchase. But you have to follow your gut and contact POW if in doubt.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by Guest on Oct 16, 2008 17:14:43 GMT 1, from someone on the forum with references yes, on the bay for a signed expensive print NO
from someone on the forum with references yes, on the bay for a signed expensive print NO
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by weaver on Oct 16, 2008 17:15:04 GMT 1, If I knew the seller / swappee not a problem as any issued COA would then have to be re-done for another £50 to change your name to being the owner. A blind stamped print with name confirmation of original ownership from POW and some good pics of the stamp / numbering are often good enough if you know what to look for.
Dealing with a repectable gallery / dealer / auction house again it'd be preferable but not essential..... Buying from a 0 feedback e-bay menber who is looking for bank transfer? I seriously doubt it'd even get as far as getting a COA sorted. Alot of store is put on a PC COA, but they are not the be-all and end all.
If I knew the seller / swappee not a problem as any issued COA would then have to be re-done for another £50 to change your name to being the owner. A blind stamped print with name confirmation of original ownership from POW and some good pics of the stamp / numbering are often good enough if you know what to look for.
Dealing with a repectable gallery / dealer / auction house again it'd be preferable but not essential..... Buying from a 0 feedback e-bay menber who is looking for bank transfer? I seriously doubt it'd even get as far as getting a COA sorted. Alot of store is put on a PC COA, but they are not the be-all and end all.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by manchestermike on Oct 16, 2008 17:15:52 GMT 1, Yes
I don't think it's essential as long as the print has provenance
Yes
I don't think it's essential as long as the print has provenance
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by rosstierney on Oct 16, 2008 17:17:25 GMT 1, what are you trying to prove?
don't you get tired of trying to protect your financial interests?
scaremongering buyers of an artist who's board you trawl on a daily basis is a new low
what are you trying to prove?
don't you get tired of trying to protect your financial interests?
scaremongering buyers of an artist who's board you trawl on a daily basis is a new low
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by Prescription Art on Oct 16, 2008 17:25:21 GMT 1, FFS. I wouldn't say a Pest Control COA is essential at all. If you have doubts about the seller's story (if they're being evasive about where they are so you'll have no come back if things go wrong), if you're spending a lot of money, or if the seller has no provenance at all.... then yes a COA is worthwhile. But i've found people buying things from me have gone completely over the top about this COA thing. There aren't that many fakes about. Be careful yes, but don't be paranoid.
FFS. I wouldn't say a Pest Control COA is essential at all. If you have doubts about the seller's story (if they're being evasive about where they are so you'll have no come back if things go wrong), if you're spending a lot of money, or if the seller has no provenance at all.... then yes a COA is worthwhile. But i've found people buying things from me have gone completely over the top about this COA thing. There aren't that many fakes about. Be careful yes, but don't be paranoid.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by bobbyt23 on Oct 16, 2008 17:25:32 GMT 1, no problems at all with doing it. Just do a bit of research and ask around if needs be. Plenty of very knowledgeable people on one forum or another.
no problems at all with doing it. Just do a bit of research and ask around if needs be. Plenty of very knowledgeable people on one forum or another.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by alsbabar on Oct 16, 2008 17:29:08 GMT 1, Pest Control do not authenticate prints - Pictures On Walls does!!!
Pest Control do not authenticate prints - Pictures On Walls does!!!
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 16, 2008 17:34:19 GMT 1, Pest Control do not authenticate prints - Pictures On Walls does!!!
That isn't stated here: pestcontroloffice.com/AuthForm_Prints.asp
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by dotdot on Oct 16, 2008 17:37:13 GMT 1, technically - if you as a buyer have clear detail from the seller and this can be confirmed by pow then there is no need for pc cert.
i asked dora about this a while ago - and that was the "status".
if in doubt swerve regardless of cert - if something causes doubt - that won‘t go away - i was in this boat the other week - seller came back after a few questions with ‘it‘s sold as seen‘ - i waved....
technically - if you as a buyer have clear detail from the seller and this can be confirmed by pow then there is no need for pc cert.
i asked dora about this a while ago - and that was the "status".
if in doubt swerve regardless of cert - if something causes doubt - that won‘t go away - i was in this boat the other week - seller came back after a few questions with ‘it‘s sold as seen‘ - i waved....
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by alsbabar on Oct 16, 2008 17:47:33 GMT 1, Pest Control divert all print authentication requests to POW
Pest Control divert all print authentication requests to POW
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by Guest on Oct 16, 2008 17:50:24 GMT 1, Pest Control divert all print authentication requests to POW
alsbabar, do you know if POW will confirm the previous owners name without issuing a COA, as they used to?
Pest Control divert all print authentication requests to POW alsbabar, do you know if POW will confirm the previous owners name without issuing a COA, as they used to?
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by bobbyt23 on Oct 16, 2008 17:52:36 GMT 1, yes they do ronhill
yes they do ronhill
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by Guest on Oct 16, 2008 17:54:29 GMT 1, cheers Bobby
cheers Bobby
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 16, 2008 18:03:41 GMT 1, OK, thanks Rat and Als for clarifying the details.
OK, thanks Rat and Als for clarifying the details.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by bullet on Oct 16, 2008 18:17:28 GMT 1, Pest Control do not authenticate prints - Pictures On Walls does!!!
The PC document comes from PC via POW, ive got one for a print.
So the majority of people would buy a banksy without solid PC proof then.
..because thats responsible.
Anyone can tap in an email or write a document.
Pest Control do not authenticate prints - Pictures On Walls does!!! The PC document comes from PC via POW, ive got one for a print. So the majority of people would buy a banksy without solid PC proof then. ..because thats responsible. Anyone can tap in an email or write a document.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by loucastel on Oct 16, 2008 18:22:15 GMT 1, Pest Control do not authenticate prints - Pictures On Walls does!!! The PC document comes from PC via POW, ive got one for a print. So the majority of people would buy a banksy without solid PC proof then. ..because thats responsible. Anyone can tap in an email or write a document.
Looks like your doing a bit of scaremongering here jboy, cant really see what your point is. Would you buy a dface without a written COA from dface himself?
Pest Control do not authenticate prints - Pictures On Walls does!!! The PC document comes from PC via POW, ive got one for a print. So the majority of people would buy a banksy without solid PC proof then. ..because thats responsible. Anyone can tap in an email or write a document. Looks like your doing a bit of scaremongering here jboy, cant really see what your point is. Would you buy a dface without a written COA from dface himself?
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by bullet on Oct 16, 2008 18:26:13 GMT 1, why do i have to be doing anything, im just interested.
no one copies dface and you can approach dface direct and ask anyway, ive done it many times and he has been very helpful.
and before any of the snide comments as to why no one copies dface, its not becuase its 's**t' or not worth the hassle - its because they are not that easy to copy. as all of them are stamped and numbered properly from the beginning. There is no farting about finding out if a stamp should be on this version of the signed or that version of the signed etc. It comes as one - there is no confusion. Banksy on the otherhand will be a minefield as no one is totally sure over what tom goes with what tit.
therefore it opens up the question of fakes and backdoors being sold with an email from POW etc. Stamped and unstamped signed or unsigned etc
If you swapped a piece worth £1k, £2k or whatever K for a banksy, you have to be as thick as s**t not to get pest control provenance. Its like throwing money straight at a homeless person for a laugh who will just go out and buy crack with it laughing in your face while you approach POW with the tail between your legs not knowing if what you have is real after the euphoria of the sale.
why do i have to be doing anything, im just interested.
no one copies dface and you can approach dface direct and ask anyway, ive done it many times and he has been very helpful.
and before any of the snide comments as to why no one copies dface, its not becuase its 's**t' or not worth the hassle - its because they are not that easy to copy. as all of them are stamped and numbered properly from the beginning. There is no farting about finding out if a stamp should be on this version of the signed or that version of the signed etc. It comes as one - there is no confusion. Banksy on the otherhand will be a minefield as no one is totally sure over what tom goes with what tit.
therefore it opens up the question of fakes and backdoors being sold with an email from POW etc. Stamped and unstamped signed or unsigned etc
If you swapped a piece worth £1k, £2k or whatever K for a banksy, you have to be as thick as s**t not to get pest control provenance. Its like throwing money straight at a homeless person for a laugh who will just go out and buy crack with it laughing in your face while you approach POW with the tail between your legs not knowing if what you have is real after the euphoria of the sale.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by icky on Oct 16, 2008 18:33:08 GMT 1, ... but out of all the Banksy prints that have been produced, how many currently have PestControl prov with them? I would say less than 10% maybe less than 5% nothing wrong with them just they aint had it done yet.
I would say a lot less than that. If you bought direct from POW and plan to keep the print there's no need för a Pest Control document.
Only if you want to sell it's useful.
... but out of all the Banksy prints that have been produced, how many currently have PestControl prov with them? I would say less than 10% maybe less than 5% nothing wrong with them just they aint had it done yet. I would say a lot less than that. If you bought direct from POW and plan to keep the print there's no need för a Pest Control document. Only if you want to sell it's useful.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by idris on Oct 16, 2008 19:11:56 GMT 1, i'm starting a print run on banksys; drop me a line if any1s interested. they'll be hand signed by banksy
i'm starting a print run on banksys; drop me a line if any1s interested. they'll be hand signed by banksy
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2008 19:54:16 GMT 1, no one copies dface and you can approach dface direct and ask anyway, ive done it many times and he has been very helpful.
I know someone with a signed DSTQ from POW but its not numbered, would that be considered backdoor?
no one copies dface and you can approach dface direct and ask anyway, ive done it many times and he has been very helpful. I know someone with a signed DSTQ from POW but its not numbered, would that be considered backdoor?
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by bradpitt on Oct 16, 2008 20:02:42 GMT 1, no one copies dface and you can approach dface direct and ask anyway, ive done it many times and he has been very helpful. I know someone with a signed DSTQ from POW but its not numbered, would that be considered backdoor?
I suppose that depends on whether he bought it or ran out the backdoor with it
no one copies dface and you can approach dface direct and ask anyway, ive done it many times and he has been very helpful. I know someone with a signed DSTQ from POW but its not numbered, would that be considered backdoor? I suppose that depends on whether he bought it or ran out the backdoor with it
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 16, 2008 20:06:59 GMT 1, it's probably been said above, but i cant be arsed reading it all;
- there were plenty of honest trades / sales long before pest control came along
- there's plenty of provenance usually available regarding prints such as receipts, email confirmation and print outs of POW confirmation pages you can ask for etc
- you can always ask for verification of the registered owner from POW instead of a COA
- act sensibly, ask the right questions, buy from a trusted source and get as much documentation as possible then you should be fine
- If it's an expensive piece, it's always best to get a COA as this will make the item easier for you to trade or sell later on
- POW might well provide the COA's on prints, however their form did previously say Pest Control on it. It doesn't anymore but anyone with a bit of basic html savvy can soon find the following;
action="http://www.pestcontroloffice.com/Enquiry_Upload_POW.asp">
If you believe POW and Pest Control's authentication is a different service then your probably misguided at best.
One final thought if you can fake a print or original, how hard do you think it is to fake a COA?
it's probably been said above, but i cant be arsed reading it all; - there were plenty of honest trades / sales long before pest control came along
- there's plenty of provenance usually available regarding prints such as receipts, email confirmation and print outs of POW confirmation pages you can ask for etc
- you can always ask for verification of the registered owner from POW instead of a COA
- act sensibly, ask the right questions, buy from a trusted source and get as much documentation as possible then you should be fine
- If it's an expensive piece, it's always best to get a COA as this will make the item easier for you to trade or sell later on
- POW might well provide the COA's on prints, however their form did previously say Pest Control on it. It doesn't anymore but anyone with a bit of basic html savvy can soon find the following;
action="http://www.pestcontroloffice.com/Enquiry_Upload_POW.asp">
If you believe POW and Pest Control's authentication is a different service then your probably misguided at best. One final thought if you can fake a print or original, how hard do you think it is to fake a COA?
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by bullet on Oct 16, 2008 20:18:50 GMT 1, cant be arsed reading that either...
lets all not be arsed and get stung by fakes eh
cant be arsed reading that either...
lets all not be arsed and get stung by fakes eh
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 16, 2008 20:21:29 GMT 1, lets be a bit less arsed about Pest Control, it simply isnt necessary in many cases, how many fakes have you bought?
lets be a bit less arsed about Pest Control, it simply isnt necessary in many cases, how many fakes have you bought?
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by manchestermike on Oct 16, 2008 20:24:45 GMT 1, cant be arsed reading that either... lets all not be arsed and get stung by fakes eh
JBOY
When you find yourself in a hole why not stop digging?
Picture the scene: I want to buy a Banksy on ebay. They say they have provenance, I'd like to check, ask them for the buyers name / print number, email Dora, get an answer, sorted.
Not difficult, not complicated. If it was a top end print and I was paying a hell of a lot I may ask for the PC/POW COA - if the seller is selling for £10k (for example) he should provide it. If it's a lower priced print what's wrong with the above?
cant be arsed reading that either... lets all not be arsed and get stung by fakes eh JBOY When you find yourself in a hole why not stop digging? Picture the scene: I want to buy a Banksy on ebay. They say they have provenance, I'd like to check, ask them for the buyers name / print number, email Dora, get an answer, sorted. Not difficult, not complicated. If it was a top end print and I was paying a hell of a lot I may ask for the PC/POW COA - if the seller is selling for £10k (for example) he should provide it. If it's a lower priced print what's wrong with the above?
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by baznyc on Oct 16, 2008 20:35:53 GMT 1, lets be a bit less arsed about Pest Control, it simply isnt necessary in many cases, how many fakes have you bought?
Take your point, but there are probably more than you'd think. Pest Control are about the only cast iron guarentee in a lot of cases and shouldn't be so easily dismissed.
lets be a bit less arsed about Pest Control, it simply isnt necessary in many cases, how many fakes have you bought? Take your point, but there are probably more than you'd think. Pest Control are about the only cast iron guarentee in a lot of cases and shouldn't be so easily dismissed.
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Would you Buy or Swap a BANKSY without COA?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 16, 2008 20:39:51 GMT 1, ooh hello baz nice to see you You're right there, i dont mean to come across as dismissive, they have their place for sure, but at the same time you dont need it for everything
ooh hello baz nice to see you You're right there, i dont mean to come across as dismissive, they have their place for sure, but at the same time you dont need it for everything
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