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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by xhitsthespot on Dec 19, 2008 18:24:00 GMT 1, as it says in the title, carry on guys
as it says in the title, carry on guys
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by rivercity1973 on Dec 20, 2008 22:33:40 GMT 1, the goldmark gallery in rutland has all your looking for mate
the goldmark gallery in rutland has all your looking for mate
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by rivercity1973 on Dec 21, 2008 9:54:16 GMT 1, sorry mate didnt really check the prices just was down that way a while ago and remember the guy had loads of blek prints and originals!!
sorry mate didnt really check the prices just was down that way a while ago and remember the guy had loads of blek prints and originals!!
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by veralynn on Dec 21, 2008 14:04:56 GMT 1, Jesus nearly gobbed cocoa over your keyboard? You should get him to do a couple of PA's etc,
Jesus nearly gobbed cocoa over your keyboard? You should get him to do a couple of PA's etc,
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by hero on Dec 21, 2008 14:18:20 GMT 1, just out of interest, why wouldn't you want a david w kalashnikoff ?
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just out of interest, why wouldn't you want a david w kalashnikoff ?
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by alsbabar on Dec 21, 2008 14:32:57 GMT 1, just out of interest, why wouldn't you want a david w kalashnikoff ? H
its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine
just out of interest, why wouldn't you want a david w kalashnikoff ? H its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by hero on Dec 21, 2008 14:36:17 GMT 1, just out of interest, why wouldn't you want a david w kalashnikoff ? H its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine
really, wow....i never realized it was such a political image, i thought it was just an interesting addition to the original, which made it his best IMOH..
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just out of interest, why wouldn't you want a david w kalashnikoff ? H its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine really, wow....i never realized it was such a political image, i thought it was just an interesting addition to the original, which made it his best IMOH.. H |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by alsbabar on Dec 21, 2008 14:40:14 GMT 1, its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine really, wow....i never realized it was such a political image, i thought it was just an interesting addition to the original, which made it his best IMOH.. H
or his worst, depending on your view - since Xavier (blek) told me the history/story of that piece, I got rid of all of his works from my home/collection
If you have any military helmets, email him direct, he may swap art for it - he loves to collect them
its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine really, wow....i never realized it was such a political image, i thought it was just an interesting addition to the original, which made it his best IMOH.. H or his worst, depending on your view - since Xavier (blek) told me the history/story of that piece, I got rid of all of his works from my home/collection If you have any military helmets, email him direct, he may swap art for it - he loves to collect them |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by wiz on Dec 21, 2008 14:55:38 GMT 1, Howcome you got rid of all your Blek works Alsbabar? did you just go off them because of your chat with Blek?. i used to have lots of his stuff but only have one of rat monoprints now.
Howcome you got rid of all your Blek works Alsbabar? did you just go off them because of your chat with Blek?. i used to have lots of his stuff but only have one of rat monoprints now.
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by iwouldfollow youanywhere on Dec 21, 2008 14:56:00 GMT 1, its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine really, wow....i never realized it was such a political image, i thought it was just an interesting addition to the original, which made it his best IMOH.. H
that is because you are coming from the simplistic viewpoint of adding a gun to an image = 'cool'
which judging from your lame attempts on flickr is the methodology you use to create your "art" also
its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine really, wow....i never realized it was such a political image, i thought it was just an interesting addition to the original, which made it his best IMOH.. H that is because you are coming from the simplistic viewpoint of adding a gun to an image = 'cool' which judging from your lame attempts on flickr is the methodology you use to create your "art" also |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by iwouldfollow youanywhere on Dec 21, 2008 14:58:09 GMT 1, Howcome you got rid of all your Blek works Alsbabar? did you just go off them because of your chat with Blek?. i used to have lots of his stuff but only have one of rat monoprints now.
i'm guessing because of the pro-Israeli viewpoint that Blek has.
which i also find pretty offensive.
Howcome you got rid of all your Blek works Alsbabar? did you just go off them because of your chat with Blek?. i used to have lots of his stuff but only have one of rat monoprints now. i'm guessing because of the pro-Israeli viewpoint that Blek has. which i also find pretty offensive. |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by wiz on Dec 21, 2008 14:58:29 GMT 1, To be honest with you Iwouldfollowyouanywhere i thought it was just another version of a David also, didnt realise that it came with history.
To be honest with you Iwouldfollowyouanywhere i thought it was just another version of a David also, didnt realise that it came with history.
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by BunnyBoiler on Dec 21, 2008 15:26:24 GMT 1, just out of interest, why wouldn't you want a david w kalashnikoff ? H its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine
really... changed my mind about it and him now.
Whats the story he told?
just out of interest, why wouldn't you want a david w kalashnikoff ? H its a Pro Israeli image - Blek supports Israels position over Palestine really... changed my mind about it and him now. Whats the story he told? |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by hero on Dec 21, 2008 15:37:45 GMT 1, really, wow....i never realized it was such a political image, i thought it was just an interesting addition to the original, which made it his best IMOH.. H that is because you are coming from the simplistic viewpoint of adding a gun to an image = 'cool' which judging from your lame attempts on flickr is the methodology you use to create your "art" also
no no no, you got what i meant wrong, sorry, i was shocked, im thinking of getting rid of mine now!
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really, wow....i never realized it was such a political image, i thought it was just an interesting addition to the original, which made it his best IMOH.. H that is because you are coming from the simplistic viewpoint of adding a gun to an image = 'cool' which judging from your lame attempts on flickr is the methodology you use to create your "art" also no no no, you got what i meant wrong, sorry, i was shocked, im thinking of getting rid of mine now! H |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by snakes on Dec 21, 2008 18:01:32 GMT 1, Howcome you got rid of all your Blek works Alsbabar? did you just go off them because of your chat with Blek?. i used to have lots of his stuff but only have one of rat monoprints now. i'm guessing because of the pro-Israeli viewpoint that Blek has. which i also find pretty offensive.
Is that 'The Black Rat Press's' stance also?
Howcome you got rid of all your Blek works Alsbabar? did you just go off them because of your chat with Blek?. i used to have lots of his stuff but only have one of rat monoprints now. i'm guessing because of the pro-Israeli viewpoint that Blek has. which i also find pretty offensive. Is that 'The Black Rat Press's' stance also? |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by BunnyBoiler on Dec 21, 2008 22:17:45 GMT 1, i was totally shocked and flabbergast by his comment - this was a one on one conversation i had with him for over an hour, he told me that he has a pro-Israeli stance, i swear I was driving at the time and I just wanted to kick him out of the car, while it was moving. I used to think he was up there as one of my all time favourite artists. I just found I couldnt connect with his art, because his messages behind them were lost to me - and on a more personal level, I found it offensive. Thanks for the info. I am glad I never managed to buy any of his stuff now.
i was totally shocked and flabbergast by his comment - this was a one on one conversation i had with him for over an hour, he told me that he has a pro-Israeli stance, i swear I was driving at the time and I just wanted to kick him out of the car, while it was moving. I used to think he was up there as one of my all time favourite artists. I just found I couldnt connect with his art, because his messages behind them were lost to me - and on a more personal level, I found it offensive. Thanks for the info. I am glad I never managed to buy any of his stuff now. |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by snakes on Dec 21, 2008 22:25:00 GMT 1, BLEK LE RAT WANTED - DEAD OR ALIVE 
BLEK LE RAT WANTED - DEAD OR ALIVE
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by alsbabar on Dec 21, 2008 22:27:28 GMT 1, is there a reward - and dont you dare say a David with Kalashnikov
is there a reward - and dont you dare say a David with Kalashnikov
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by snakes on Dec 21, 2008 22:39:32 GMT 1, I imagine the reward would be a nice warm feeling inside and to know that the streets of Paris will be grateful for your kindness for removing one of their vermin problems!
I imagine the reward would be a nice warm feeling inside and to know that the streets of Paris will be grateful for your kindness for removing one of their vermin problems!
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by xhitsthespot on Dec 21, 2008 23:21:11 GMT 1, Didn't mean for all this to kick off on the thread, I was only trying to buy a few prints, any chance you guys could continue this elsewhere. Ta
Didn't mean for all this to kick off on the thread, I was only trying to buy a few prints, any chance you guys could continue this elsewhere. Ta
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by robo on Dec 21, 2008 23:31:49 GMT 1, You guys scare the s**t out of me.
Why would you let a hearsay or throwaway comment override your love of an artist's work, make you take it off your walls and go on to say you want to kill him! Do you not have any of your own judgement and aesthetic response? Do you have to be told what to think about a piece of art?
For your information the Kalashnikof or AK-47 rifle is not used by the Israeli army. It is a Russian weapon is used by the Taliban and in Pakistan, Somalia, Rwanda, Mozambique, Congo and Ethiopia. It was similarly featured in Shephard Fairey's piece M16 vs AK47 (which was about the conflict between the US and Russia) and you don't hear people saying they want to kill him.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
Blek is clearly being ironic in this work and was clearly joking in his statements about this piece, though it sounds like his humour was misunderstood.
EDIT - I don't wish to continue a conversation on this matter and will not respond to this thread if it continues. I just wanted to make you aware that saying you want to kill artists by throwing them out of cars or wiping them off the streets like vermin is shameful, especially on a forum that is supposed to be about celebrating art.
You guys scare the s**t out of me. Why would you let a hearsay or throwaway comment override your love of an artist's work, make you take it off your walls and go on to say you want to kill him! Do you not have any of your own judgement and aesthetic response? Do you have to be told what to think about a piece of art? For your information the Kalashnikof or AK-47 rifle is not used by the Israeli army. It is a Russian weapon is used by the Taliban and in Pakistan, Somalia, Rwanda, Mozambique, Congo and Ethiopia. It was similarly featured in Shephard Fairey's piece M16 vs AK47 (which was about the conflict between the US and Russia) and you don't hear people saying they want to kill him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47Blek is clearly being ironic in this work and was clearly joking in his statements about this piece, though it sounds like his humour was misunderstood. EDIT - I don't wish to continue a conversation on this matter and will not respond to this thread if it continues. I just wanted to make you aware that saying you want to kill artists by throwing them out of cars or wiping them off the streets like vermin is shameful, especially on a forum that is supposed to be about celebrating art. |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by iwouldfollow youanywhere on Dec 22, 2008 0:28:20 GMT 1, You guys scare the s**t out of me. Why would you let a hearsay or throwaway comment override your love of an artist's work, make you take it off your walls and go on to say you want to kill him! Do you not have any of your own judgement and aesthetic response? Do you have to be told what to think about a piece of art? For your information the Kalashnikof or AK-47 rifle is not used by the Israeli army. It is a Russian weapon is used by the Taliban and in Pakistan, Somalia, Rwanda, Mozambique, Congo and Ethiopia. It was similarly featured in Shephard Fairey's piece M16 vs AK47 (which was about the conflict between the US and Russia) and you don't hear people saying they want to kill him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47Blek is clearly being ironic in this work and was clearly joking in his statements about this piece, though it sounds like his humour was misunderstood. EDIT - I don't wish to continue a conversation on this matter and will not respond to this thread if it continues. I just wanted to make you aware that saying you want to kill artists by throwing them out of cars or wiping them off the streets like vermin is shameful, especially on a forum that is supposed to be about celebrating art.
i think they were being sarcastic and or flippant
so untwist your knickers..
You guys scare the s**t out of me. Why would you let a hearsay or throwaway comment override your love of an artist's work, make you take it off your walls and go on to say you want to kill him! Do you not have any of your own judgement and aesthetic response? Do you have to be told what to think about a piece of art? For your information the Kalashnikof or AK-47 rifle is not used by the Israeli army. It is a Russian weapon is used by the Taliban and in Pakistan, Somalia, Rwanda, Mozambique, Congo and Ethiopia. It was similarly featured in Shephard Fairey's piece M16 vs AK47 (which was about the conflict between the US and Russia) and you don't hear people saying they want to kill him. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47Blek is clearly being ironic in this work and was clearly joking in his statements about this piece, though it sounds like his humour was misunderstood. EDIT - I don't wish to continue a conversation on this matter and will not respond to this thread if it continues. I just wanted to make you aware that saying you want to kill artists by throwing them out of cars or wiping them off the streets like vermin is shameful, especially on a forum that is supposed to be about celebrating art. i think they were being sarcastic and or flippant so untwist your knickers.. |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by dunthingdave on Dec 22, 2008 3:10:42 GMT 1, I agree Robo.Did you guys sell all your U.S. made products as well?Its all fair enough.Blek does use politics in some of his art and if you disagree with those politics then good on ya for sticking to your principles.Nice to see art stirring up emotions on here and not just about the money.
I agree Robo.Did you guys sell all your U.S. made products as well?Its all fair enough.Blek does use politics in some of his art and if you disagree with those politics then good on ya for sticking to your principles.Nice to see art stirring up emotions on here and not just about the money.
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Wearology
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by Wearology on Dec 22, 2008 3:58:17 GMT 1, I would never want to get into a political debate about another countries stance on world events especially being from America and all - but I for one do not allow an artists political , religious or any other belief get in the way of me purchasing their art , music etc. -
I love Cat Stevens and some view him (not alsabar) as a bad cat -
I would never want to get into a political debate about another countries stance on world events especially being from America and all - but I for one do not allow an artists political , religious or any other belief get in the way of me purchasing their art , music etc. -
I love Cat Stevens and some view him (not alsabar) as a bad cat -
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darrenrapley
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by darrenrapley on Dec 22, 2008 8:17:37 GMT 1, Part of me is quite pleased that there is meaning behind Bleks work. Some of his (more recent) stuff just, to be honest, confuses me.
Shame about the subject matter in this case though.
Part of me is quite pleased that there is meaning behind Bleks work. Some of his (more recent) stuff just, to be honest, confuses me.
Shame about the subject matter in this case though.
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by kiy on Dec 22, 2008 10:00:15 GMT 1, I would never want to get into a political debate about another countries stance on world events especially being from America and all - but I for one do not allow an artists political , religious or any other belief get in the way of me purchasing their art , music etc. - I love Cat Stevens and some view him (not alsabar) as a bad cat -
Who regards Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam as a bad cat?
Although he was awarded a Nobel Peace Prise and widely known and acknowledged for his charitable work, his visa was revoked a few years back when entering two of the most brutal apparent democracy's in the world the US and Israel...I assume this is what you are referring to.
Yusuf Islam has since had his name removed from a no fly to the US.
You couldn't really compare Yusuf Islam to Israel....
60+ years or ethnic cleansing and human rights violations, Israel has more UN resolutions condemning it then Saddam ever had...even with the US veto.
If Blek does support Israeli opression of the Palestinians, then i definitely don't have time for him or his art no matter how good his art was.
On another note LoydsTSB has recently given notice to Islamic Bank of Britain that it can no no longer process payment for Interpal (www.interpal.org) this could possibly have something to do with its current chairman Sir Victor Blank possibly being a committed Zionist...
Sir Victor 'is a former chair of the Union of Jewish Students Hillel, he is involved with Labour Friends of Israel, is a governor of Tel Aviv University and has also been brought on to the Jewish Leadership Council'
PS there are a couple of pictures on Interpals website of banksy pieces in Palestine..
I would never want to get into a political debate about another countries stance on world events especially being from America and all - but I for one do not allow an artists political , religious or any other belief get in the way of me purchasing their art , music etc. - I love Cat Stevens and some view him (not alsabar) as a bad cat - Who regards Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam as a bad cat? Although he was awarded a Nobel Peace Prise and widely known and acknowledged for his charitable work, his visa was revoked a few years back when entering two of the most brutal apparent democracy's in the world the US and Israel...I assume this is what you are referring to. Yusuf Islam has since had his name removed from a no fly to the US. You couldn't really compare Yusuf Islam to Israel.... 60+ years or ethnic cleansing and human rights violations, Israel has more UN resolutions condemning it then Saddam ever had...even with the US veto. If Blek does support Israeli opression of the Palestinians, then i definitely don't have time for him or his art no matter how good his art was. On another note LoydsTSB has recently given notice to Islamic Bank of Britain that it can no no longer process payment for Interpal (www.interpal.org) this could possibly have something to do with its current chairman Sir Victor Blank possibly being a committed Zionist... Sir Victor 'is a former chair of the Union of Jewish Students Hillel, he is involved with Labour Friends of Israel, is a governor of Tel Aviv University and has also been brought on to the Jewish Leadership Council' PS there are a couple of pictures on Interpals website of banksy pieces in Palestine.. |
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by howler on Dec 22, 2008 11:08:00 GMT 1, Fuck you lot are funny sometimes.
So when you all bought David with Kalashnikov what did you think was going on ? It's David, King David the man who unified the Jewish Kingdom, David who slew Goliath, you know the "little man" standing up too the "giant". FFS the clues in the flag isn't it, the Star of David.
I own work by Blek but never even considered buying this piece due to the obvious content and for the record wasn't too impressed when the French secret services blew up the Rainbow Warrior or the French government when they sold Exocets to Argentina but I still drink Calvados and eat French cheese. I'm British they're French, we might live close by but we view the world very differently.
This isn't a dig at Alsabar either, I've read many comments by various people on this board saying the same thing so sorry A I just chose this thread to comment in.
Fuck you lot are funny sometimes.
So when you all bought David with Kalashnikov what did you think was going on ? It's David, King David the man who unified the Jewish Kingdom, David who slew Goliath, you know the "little man" standing up too the "giant". FFS the clues in the flag isn't it, the Star of David.
I own work by Blek but never even considered buying this piece due to the obvious content and for the record wasn't too impressed when the French secret services blew up the Rainbow Warrior or the French government when they sold Exocets to Argentina but I still drink Calvados and eat French cheese. I'm British they're French, we might live close by but we view the world very differently.
This isn't a dig at Alsabar either, I've read many comments by various people on this board saying the same thing so sorry A I just chose this thread to comment in.
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by alsbabar on Dec 22, 2008 11:12:53 GMT 1, if people dont want to take my word for it, for Bleks reasoning behind his David With Kalashnikov piece, then read this article, and pay attention to the section "How much of your work is politically based?"
www.fecalface.com/SF/index.php?id=1056&option=com_content&task=view
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by achtungbono on Dec 22, 2008 11:39:35 GMT 1, Artist has political bent shocker!
French are slighty wary of Arabs shocker!
Someones wariness of Arabs is interpreted as part of World Jewish conspiracy/Bilderberg group/ New World Order
You dont have to like the opinions to appreciate the art, though there is an element of convergenece for me on a personal level. BLR is shit ( IMO ) and I wouldnt have it it the house, but thats choice
Artist has political bent shocker!
French are slighty wary of Arabs shocker!
Someones wariness of Arabs is interpreted as part of World Jewish conspiracy/Bilderberg group/ New World Order
You dont have to like the opinions to appreciate the art, though there is an element of convergenece for me on a personal level. BLR is shit ( IMO ) and I wouldnt have it it the house, but thats choice
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Blek le Rat is pro Israel according to Alsbabar, by lello on Dec 22, 2008 12:58:49 GMT 1, Ok so in the the artical Blek says 'Some of it is political, not all but some. I have had some problems with that. The David with the machine gun I did to support Israel. This was not well received, especially in Europe because many people do not support Israel. But, I do not support the war between Palestine and Israel. I do not wish for anyone to be killing anyone'.
Is that like supporting Britain but not wars in Iraq or Afganistan?
Ok so in the the artical Blek says 'Some of it is political, not all but some. I have had some problems with that. The David with the machine gun I did to support Israel. This was not well received, especially in Europe because many people do not support Israel. But, I do not support the war between Palestine and Israel. I do not wish for anyone to be killing anyone'.
Is that like supporting Britain but not wars in Iraq or Afganistan?
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