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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by wonkeydonkey on Apr 21, 2008 11:34:04 GMT 1, This genre is quite accessible to people unfamiliar with the wider art world and because much of it is tinged with irony and a sense of humour, people are often willing to confuse this with artistic genius. Six months ago i heard people talking about Adam Neate in the same sentence as Picasso. I would argue he's not quite there yet.
My personal opinion is that there are fine peices of art being produced in the scene and that in 20 years time, some these will be seen in the Tate modern and other galleries around the world. However, there is also a lot of art being produced that has the artistic integrity of a newspaper cartoon. Any market that has 500% profit margins in 3 days is going to produce bubbles (and their manipulators), some of these will blowup and some of these will be justified. The world is full of stunningly talented painters that will never make great artists.
If you like it, and can afford it, buy it, look at it and love it. But if you are looking for the next big thing in art, i'm not sure if a guy sitting in a boat under a butterfly is it. In my opinion, the long careers will go to those mixing genre's and adding something new to the art world (such as Faile, with pop art mixing street art and the street's affect on it) and those who will be remembered for purely summing up the time in which they worked (Banksy).
Just adding to the debate......
This genre is quite accessible to people unfamiliar with the wider art world and because much of it is tinged with irony and a sense of humour, people are often willing to confuse this with artistic genius. Six months ago i heard people talking about Adam Neate in the same sentence as Picasso. I would argue he's not quite there yet.
My personal opinion is that there are fine peices of art being produced in the scene and that in 20 years time, some these will be seen in the Tate modern and other galleries around the world. However, there is also a lot of art being produced that has the artistic integrity of a newspaper cartoon. Any market that has 500% profit margins in 3 days is going to produce bubbles (and their manipulators), some of these will blowup and some of these will be justified. The world is full of stunningly talented painters that will never make great artists.
If you like it, and can afford it, buy it, look at it and love it. But if you are looking for the next big thing in art, i'm not sure if a guy sitting in a boat under a butterfly is it. In my opinion, the long careers will go to those mixing genre's and adding something new to the art world (such as Faile, with pop art mixing street art and the street's affect on it) and those who will be remembered for purely summing up the time in which they worked (Banksy).
Just adding to the debate......
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by motor on Apr 21, 2008 11:40:34 GMT 1, This genre is quite accessible to people unfamiliar with the wider art world and because much of it is tinged with irony and a sense of humour, people are often willing to confuse this with artistic genius. Six months ago i heard people talking about Adam Neate in the same sentence as Picasso. I would argue he's not quite there yet. My personal opinion is that there are fine peices of art being produced in the scene and that in 20 years time, some these will be seen in the Tate modern and other galleries around the world. However, there is also a lot of art being produced that has the artistic integrity of a newspaper cartoon. Any market that has 500% profit margins in 3 days is going to produce bubbles (and their manipulators), some of these will blowup and some of these will be justified. The world is full of stunningly talented painters that will never make great artists. If you like it, and can afford it, buy it, look at it and love it. But if you are looking for the next big thing in art, i'm not sure if a guy sitting in a boat under a butterfly is it. In my opinion, the long careers will go to those mixing genre's and adding something new to the art world (such as Faile, with pop art mixing street art and the street's affect on it) and those who will be remembered for purely summing up the time in which they worked (Banksy). Just adding to the debate......
Thanks for that post WD.
Really well put.
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This genre is quite accessible to people unfamiliar with the wider art world and because much of it is tinged with irony and a sense of humour, people are often willing to confuse this with artistic genius. Six months ago i heard people talking about Adam Neate in the same sentence as Picasso. I would argue he's not quite there yet. My personal opinion is that there are fine peices of art being produced in the scene and that in 20 years time, some these will be seen in the Tate modern and other galleries around the world. However, there is also a lot of art being produced that has the artistic integrity of a newspaper cartoon. Any market that has 500% profit margins in 3 days is going to produce bubbles (and their manipulators), some of these will blowup and some of these will be justified. The world is full of stunningly talented painters that will never make great artists. If you like it, and can afford it, buy it, look at it and love it. But if you are looking for the next big thing in art, i'm not sure if a guy sitting in a boat under a butterfly is it. In my opinion, the long careers will go to those mixing genre's and adding something new to the art world (such as Faile, with pop art mixing street art and the street's affect on it) and those who will be remembered for purely summing up the time in which they worked (Banksy). Just adding to the debate...... Thanks for that post WD. Really well put. + |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by Art-el on Apr 21, 2008 11:49:43 GMT 1, Interesting thread started by Jam
The man that had 3 yes 3 Ghetto Ghosts for sale in November!
Interesting thread started by Jam
The man that had 3 yes 3 Ghetto Ghosts for sale in November!
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by sham69 on Apr 21, 2008 11:52:03 GMT 1, someone's laughing all the way to the bank
If the market hasn't been herded then my name's not El Shep Diablo
someone's laughing all the way to the bank
If the market hasn't been herded then my name's not El Shep Diablo
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by jonpud on Apr 21, 2008 11:52:53 GMT 1, Interesting thread started by Jam The man that had 3 yes 3 Ghetto Ghosts for sale in November!
Bet he wishes he had held on to them if thats true!
Could this be the thread of someone a little pissed at missing out on a bigger profit!
Pure speculation of course!
Interesting thread started by Jam The man that had 3 yes 3 Ghetto Ghosts for sale in November! Bet he wishes he had held on to them if thats true! Could this be the thread of someone a little pissed at missing out on a bigger profit! Pure speculation of course! |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by Art-el on Apr 21, 2008 12:05:19 GMT 1, JAM POSTED THE FOLLOWING ON 20.11.07
I have some prints I would like to sell to make room for pieces I just had framed and some large art purchases. If you are interested in any of these, please message me with reasonable offers. I am the second owner on the Banksys, Neate, and AB1 & 2, but I have provenance for them, and everything else!
Banksy - Morons B&W Unsigned (confirmation email from orig. owner) = ยฃ750 obo
Banksy - Flag Unsigned (receipt from purchase + care flier) ยฃ650 obo
Anthony Micallef - 'Light Angel Bomber 1 & 2' (non matching numbers but I know who has the matching 1 for my 2, he will trade straight up!) - ยฃ2,200
Anthony Micallef - 'Uzi Lover 1' - for ยฃCost
Adam Neate - '2AM Blog' = ยฃ1700
Nick Walker - 'Ghetto Ghost' unique hand sprayed pieces, have 3. = ยฃ450 ea. Obo
JAM POSTED THE FOLLOWING ON 20.11.07
I have some prints I would like to sell to make room for pieces I just had framed and some large art purchases. If you are interested in any of these, please message me with reasonable offers. I am the second owner on the Banksys, Neate, and AB1 & 2, but I have provenance for them, and everything else!
Banksy - Morons B&W Unsigned (confirmation email from orig. owner) = ยฃ750 obo
Banksy - Flag Unsigned (receipt from purchase + care flier) ยฃ650 obo
Anthony Micallef - 'Light Angel Bomber 1 & 2' (non matching numbers but I know who has the matching 1 for my 2, he will trade straight up!) - ยฃ2,200
Anthony Micallef - 'Uzi Lover 1' - for ยฃCost
Adam Neate - '2AM Blog' = ยฃ1700
Nick Walker - 'Ghetto Ghost' unique hand sprayed pieces, have 3. = ยฃ450 ea. Obo
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by spirit on Apr 21, 2008 12:09:40 GMT 1, I generally agree with Jam - although I not so sure about market/auction manipulation as much as people speculating on NW being the next Banksy. I find the whole concept of the next Banksy strange - was there ever a next Warhol for example?
Another thing about Nick walker is..... oh no I've bored myself already.
I generally agree with Jam - although I not so sure about market/auction manipulation as much as people speculating on NW being the next Banksy. I find the whole concept of the next Banksy strange - was there ever a next Warhol for example?
Another thing about Nick walker is..... oh no I've bored myself already.
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by carlito on Apr 21, 2008 12:29:20 GMT 1, who's saying he's the next Banksy?...because that's plainly insane...he's the first Nick Walker...lets just leave it at that 
who's saying he's the next Banksy?...because that's plainly insane...he's the first Nick Walker...lets just leave it at that |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by Art-el on Apr 21, 2008 12:50:56 GMT 1, If you don't like Nick Walker thats one thing but it wasn't too long ago that you could pick and choose your faile prints, the 1st set of neate prints never sold out, the micallef eye storm prints to a while to sell out etc etc etc. I don't put Nicks success down to one auction result and I honestly don't think it was manipulated although of course this does go on. At that auction many artists achieved higher prices than ever before. Walker has been painting for ever and working hard and exhibiting all round the world and sometimes, when you put this much hard work in and a combination of things happen at the same time - bonhams auction result, the fact that the mainstream media hit on to him hard, combined with his carmichael LA show and I even think Banksy smashing LA at the same time was a factor, his latest body of work that is no doubt extremely popular - I just say it's Nick walkers time. Also, the Bonhams auction has brought fresh blood into this whole scene and those people have been immediately attracted to Walkers work. Alot of his work at the LA show stayed in LA, dozens of collectors from the states flew over for the london show, he has alot of Japanese interest, the media def love him, probably becuase he's accessible and a nice guy and lets not forget Jam, you're trying to sell an Adam Neate print edition of 100 for ยฃ1250 - you could have bought a nick walker original for that. Is his prices way too high? I feel not. Nick walker is here to stay, if you don't like him, thats fine but there are obviously plenty that do. Don't be fed up, it's the butterfly effect !
Absolutley correct on every point
AND for all those basing Nick's success on one auction result, have a word with yourself.
With all the attention on urban art it was only a matter of time before things blew up for Nick. He was cutting stencils before Banksy cut his 1st tooth.
To all the haters whats your real beef?
If you don't like Nick Walker thats one thing but it wasn't too long ago that you could pick and choose your faile prints, the 1st set of neate prints never sold out, the micallef eye storm prints to a while to sell out etc etc etc. I don't put Nicks success down to one auction result and I honestly don't think it was manipulated although of course this does go on. At that auction many artists achieved higher prices than ever before. Walker has been painting for ever and working hard and exhibiting all round the world and sometimes, when you put this much hard work in and a combination of things happen at the same time - bonhams auction result, the fact that the mainstream media hit on to him hard, combined with his carmichael LA show and I even think Banksy smashing LA at the same time was a factor, his latest body of work that is no doubt extremely popular - I just say it's Nick walkers time. Also, the Bonhams auction has brought fresh blood into this whole scene and those people have been immediately attracted to Walkers work. Alot of his work at the LA show stayed in LA, dozens of collectors from the states flew over for the london show, he has alot of Japanese interest, the media def love him, probably becuase he's accessible and a nice guy and lets not forget Jam, you're trying to sell an Adam Neate print edition of 100 for ยฃ1250 - you could have bought a nick walker original for that. Is his prices way too high? I feel not. Nick walker is here to stay, if you don't like him, thats fine but there are obviously plenty that do. Don't be fed up, it's the butterfly effect ! Absolutley correct on every point AND for all those basing Nick's success on one auction result, have a word with yourself. With all the attention on urban art it was only a matter of time before things blew up for Nick. He was cutting stencils before Banksy cut his 1st tooth. To all the haters whats your real beef? |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by Daniel Silk on Apr 21, 2008 12:56:32 GMT 1, To all the haters whats your real beef?
They have been buying other Artists work hoping to make money out of it and hate to see Nick getting the attention he really deserves when they have nothing by him in their collections.
Bet I hit a nerve with some people
To all the haters whats your real beef? They have been buying other Artists work hoping to make money out of it and hate to see Nick getting the attention he really deserves when they have nothing by him in their collections. Bet I hit a nerve with some people |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by waXology on Apr 21, 2008 13:03:31 GMT 1, Off topic a bit. but Jam did you sell everything there? im keen on flags!!!!
lol
Off topic a bit. but Jam did you sell everything there? im keen on flags!!!!
lol
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by dealersam on Apr 21, 2008 16:21:22 GMT 1, i'm a fan of a few nick walker pieces, but i'll just say there is no longevity with hype & i've never seen hype like with Nick Walker at present
i'm a fan of a few nick walker pieces, but i'll just say there is no longevity with hype & i've never seen hype like with Nick Walker at present
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by linderman on Apr 21, 2008 16:34:01 GMT 1, theres always going to be hype around, todays Nick Walker tommorows somebody else, not that he don't deserve it.
I wonder who's next?
theres always going to be hype around, todays Nick Walker tommorows somebody else, not that he don't deserve it.
I wonder who's next?
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by romanywg on Apr 21, 2008 16:48:41 GMT 1, Hopefully not Hush as I want a few more prints and an original before it gets out of my range.
Hopefully not Hush as I want a few more prints and an original before it gets out of my range.
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by snakes on Apr 21, 2008 16:55:50 GMT 1, who's saying he's the next Banksy?...because that's plainly insane...he's the first Nick Walker...lets just leave it at that
Correct omundo
who's saying he's the next Banksy?...because that's plainly insane...he's the first Nick Walker...lets just leave it at that Correct omundo |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by blackbeltjones on Apr 21, 2008 16:56:07 GMT 1, what i want to know is who buys these prints for thousands of pounds straight after they've sold out? if your willing to pay this sort of money why not get in the queue early and safe a couple of grand, people are very easily manipulated into parting with there cash it's frightening..
what i want to know is who buys these prints for thousands of pounds straight after they've sold out? if your willing to pay this sort of money why not get in the queue early and safe a couple of grand, people are very easily manipulated into parting with there cash it's frightening..
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by cashman on Apr 21, 2008 16:59:10 GMT 1, what i want to know is who buys these prints for thousands of pounds straight after they've sold out? if your willing to pay this sort of money why not get in the queue early and safe a couple of grand, people are very easily manipulated into parting with there cash it's frightening..
maybe because they have enuff money to not have to sleep on the streets  But also more money than sense.
Thats even if they have sold properly, probably just rogue auctions
what i want to know is who buys these prints for thousands of pounds straight after they've sold out? if your willing to pay this sort of money why not get in the queue early and safe a couple of grand, people are very easily manipulated into parting with there cash it's frightening.. maybe because they have enuff money to not have to sleep on the streets But also more money than sense. Thats even if they have sold properly, probably just rogue auctions |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by dealersam on Apr 21, 2008 17:21:54 GMT 1, there is way too much brainless money out there!
there is way too much brainless money out there!
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by jonpud on Apr 21, 2008 17:35:06 GMT 1, i'm a fan of a few nick walker pieces, but i'll just say there is no longevity with hype & i've never seen hype like with Nick Walker at present
You weren't about when Micallef was popular then!? 
i'm a fan of a few nick walker pieces, but i'll just say there is no longevity with hype & i've never seen hype like with Nick Walker at present You weren't about when Micallef was popular then!? |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by skanky on Apr 21, 2008 17:49:24 GMT 1, I dont understand the negativity either , he has def hit on something popular with this body of work and you could see it coming before Bonhams. I was at Bonhams that night and as soon as I walked in The Moona caught my eye and it was a stand out under the lights , I thought it would go well and it did. It never bothers me what people spend their money on and it suprises me that on a street art forum one of our own makes it and people line up to knock him. He is being fantastically managed by BRP and good luck to them both, I hope they enjoy their success they deserve it.
I dont understand the negativity either , he has def hit on something popular with this body of work and you could see it coming before Bonhams. I was at Bonhams that night and as soon as I walked in The Moona caught my eye and it was a stand out under the lights , I thought it would go well and it did. It never bothers me what people spend their money on and it suprises me that on a street art forum one of our own makes it and people line up to knock him. He is being fantastically managed by BRP and good luck to them both, I hope they enjoy their success they deserve it.
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by slowmo on Apr 21, 2008 17:51:22 GMT 1, i'm a fan of a few nick walker pieces, but i'll just say there is no longevity with hype & i've never seen hype like with Nick Walker at present You weren't about when Micallef was popular then!?
I'm still perfectly happy to hype Micallef whenever anyone wants me too! ;D
i'm a fan of a few nick walker pieces, but i'll just say there is no longevity with hype & i've never seen hype like with Nick Walker at present You weren't about when Micallef was popular then!? I'm still perfectly happy to hype Micallef whenever anyone wants me too! ;D |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by Art-el on Apr 21, 2008 18:08:45 GMT 1, I dont understand the negativity either , he has def hit on something popular with this body of work and you could see it coming before Bonhams. I was at Bonhams that night and as soon as I walked in The Moona caught my eye and it was a stand out under the lights , I thought it would go well and it did. It never bothers me what people spend their money on and it suprises me that on a street art forum one of our own makes it and people line up to knock him. He is being fantastically managed by BRP and good luck to them both, I hope they enjoy their success they deserve it.
Great post. That good old British mentality of wanting to knock anyone made good.
The ammount of negativity, jealousy and near libelous comments about Nick, his work, BRP etc is an absolute disgrace.
As you state on a forum so say dedicated to street art you would think Nick's success from tagger to major player in the now established contemporary urban art seen would be heralded.
How sad and how wrong
I dont understand the negativity either , he has def hit on something popular with this body of work and you could see it coming before Bonhams. I was at Bonhams that night and as soon as I walked in The Moona caught my eye and it was a stand out under the lights , I thought it would go well and it did. It never bothers me what people spend their money on and it suprises me that on a street art forum one of our own makes it and people line up to knock him. He is being fantastically managed by BRP and good luck to them both, I hope they enjoy their success they deserve it. Great post. That good old British mentality of wanting to knock anyone made good. The ammount of negativity, jealousy and near libelous comments about Nick, his work, BRP etc is an absolute disgrace. As you state on a forum so say dedicated to street art you would think Nick's success from tagger to major player in the now established contemporary urban art seen would be heralded. How sad and how wrong |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by Art-el on Apr 21, 2008 18:15:36 GMT 1, what i want to know is who buys these prints for thousands of pounds straight after they've sold out? if your willing to pay this sort of money why not get in the queue early and safe a couple of grand, people are very easily manipulated into parting with there cash it's frightening..
Circumstances dictate that queing is not an option for everyone
what i want to know is who buys these prints for thousands of pounds straight after they've sold out? if your willing to pay this sort of money why not get in the queue early and safe a couple of grand, people are very easily manipulated into parting with there cash it's frightening.. Circumstances dictate that queing is not an option for everyone |
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by dealersam on Apr 21, 2008 18:22:14 GMT 1, i don't think the micallef thing was 'hype' people were loving his work & POW/ Laz decided to release shit loads of prints. Yes there were fights, police etc but that's not hype. V for Vandal brazenly projected onto big ben & the bank of england...that's hype. Walker has come out of the Bonhams sale. Micallef is a gifted draftsman who's won awards for his work.
i don't think the micallef thing was 'hype' people were loving his work & POW/ Laz decided to release shit loads of prints. Yes there were fights, police etc but that's not hype. V for Vandal brazenly projected onto big ben & the bank of england...that's hype. Walker has come out of the Bonhams sale. Micallef is a gifted draftsman who's won awards for his work.
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by onemandown72 on Apr 21, 2008 19:23:58 GMT 1, Whilst I can see the possible negative effects that a large print release may have on an artist (Micallef) this hasn't yet had any negative effect on Banksy, and I don't see this as the major reason that his star has dimmed (for the moment, but his work will stand the test of time).
Banksy to date has released over 25,000 prints!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats just the UK POW/Laz versions And in his first year of printing 2003 he released 9,750. I don't buy this argument that it is purely down to the amount of prints released
Whilst I can see the possible negative effects that a large print release may have on an artist (Micallef) this hasn't yet had any negative effect on Banksy, and I don't see this as the major reason that his star has dimmed (for the moment, but his work will stand the test of time).
Banksy to date has released over 25,000 prints!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats just the UK POW/Laz versions And in his first year of printing 2003 he released 9,750. I don't buy this argument that it is purely down to the amount of prints released
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by aginghippie on Apr 21, 2008 19:27:32 GMT 1, The posters slagging off Nick Walker overlook two things; art is almost purely subjective, and TMA is wall friendly. The former colours a lot of peoples posts and the latter explains why he has had the success he has had recently.
To illustrate this - I bought a TMA London just before Christmas but it not in very good shape (the perils of buying off ebay) so I took it to an art dealer I use normally who arranged for a paper restorer to fix it. He liked it so much that he tried to buy it from me, as did the restorer. These are people who have absolutely no interest in the urban art movement (although the dealer was the one who first introduced me to Banksy).
The key thing is that in the grand scheme of things, even at current prices, these are cheap. To people buying works costing hundreds of thousands (sadly not me) you are talking about loose change and they will buy it because they like it, not for an investment.
The posters slagging off Nick Walker overlook two things; art is almost purely subjective, and TMA is wall friendly. The former colours a lot of peoples posts and the latter explains why he has had the success he has had recently.
To illustrate this - I bought a TMA London just before Christmas but it not in very good shape (the perils of buying off ebay) so I took it to an art dealer I use normally who arranged for a paper restorer to fix it. He liked it so much that he tried to buy it from me, as did the restorer. These are people who have absolutely no interest in the urban art movement (although the dealer was the one who first introduced me to Banksy).
The key thing is that in the grand scheme of things, even at current prices, these are cheap. To people buying works costing hundreds of thousands (sadly not me) you are talking about loose change and they will buy it because they like it, not for an investment.
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by dh on Apr 21, 2008 22:44:57 GMT 1, Its an amazing image, the detail awesome. I was lucky enough to see this at his show, hope its his next TMA print.
Its an amazing image, the detail awesome. I was lucky enough to see this at his show, hope its his next TMA print.
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Nick Walker Phenomenon, by grantb on Apr 21, 2008 23:36:10 GMT 1, nick walkers work is truly amazing. pisses me off that people are pissed off cuz of the hype and value of his work. so what !! its gona happen and its unbelivable that all that people do is moan and bitch.
nick walkers work is truly amazing. pisses me off that people are pissed off cuz of the hype and value of his work. so what !! its gona happen and its unbelivable that all that people do is moan and bitch.
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But also more money than sense.
