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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Francis on Mar 22, 2009 21:47:09 GMT 1, Will Adam Neate ever reach the acclaim of Francis Bacon in the art world.
If not, why not?
Will Adam Neate ever reach the acclaim of Francis Bacon in the art world.
If not, why not?
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by slowmo on Mar 22, 2009 21:49:05 GMT 1, As much as I like Adam Neate, I think that Bacon is/was a vastly superior painter.
As much as I like Adam Neate, I think that Bacon is/was a vastly superior painter.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Simococo on Mar 22, 2009 21:50:47 GMT 1, No
He's an incredible painter but not a pioneer and not genre defining
I would still love a gallery piece though
No
He's an incredible painter but not a pioneer and not genre defining
I would still love a gallery piece though
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by origo on Mar 22, 2009 21:51:23 GMT 1, Personally I don´t think so, to me Bacon was ahead of his time and at that time his work was something evolutionary and provoking. His way of interpretating the human body was raw to the bone, but still unbelievable beautiful.
Neate is brilliant, his way of mixing fine art with deep and important subjectmatters are pure genius, but I don´t think he will make his way into the history books like Bacon did.
Francis Bacon also had that twisted personality which made him interesting as a person as well.
Personally I don´t think so, to me Bacon was ahead of his time and at that time his work was something evolutionary and provoking. His way of interpretating the human body was raw to the bone, but still unbelievable beautiful.
Neate is brilliant, his way of mixing fine art with deep and important subjectmatters are pure genius, but I don´t think he will make his way into the history books like Bacon did.
Francis Bacon also had that twisted personality which made him interesting as a person as well.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by klyde on Mar 22, 2009 21:51:38 GMT 1, Will Adam Neate ever reach the acclaim of Francis Bacon in the art world. If not, why not?
You sound annoyed about it!
Will Adam Neate ever reach the acclaim of Francis Bacon in the art world. If not, why not? You sound annoyed about it! |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Francis on Mar 22, 2009 21:54:15 GMT 1, Will Adam Neate ever reach the acclaim of Francis Bacon in the art world. If not, why not? You sound annoyed about it!
Well, I think it's a more appropriate comparison than some other artists comparisons in this forum. 
Will Adam Neate ever reach the acclaim of Francis Bacon in the art world. If not, why not? You sound annoyed about it! Well, I think it's a more appropriate comparison than some other artists comparisons in this forum. |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by volvic on Mar 22, 2009 21:59:55 GMT 1, if neate was a raging nutter then he would stand a better chance, maybe he should cut his ear off or something
if neate was a raging nutter then he would stand a better chance, maybe he should cut his ear off or something |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 23:11:19 GMT 1, if neate was a raging nutter then he would stand a better chance, maybe he should cut his ear off or something
totally understand what you mean!
I think Adam is one of the most talented artists from the moment (I know not everyone agrees on this). but he could be bigger than he is at the moment, sometimes the person Neate doesnt feels as exciting as his work..
btw, Adam definatly first needs to do a show abroad to test his strength for the rest of the world..
if neate was a raging nutter then he would stand a better chance, maybe he should cut his ear off or something totally understand what you mean! I think Adam is one of the most talented artists from the moment (I know not everyone agrees on this). but he could be bigger than he is at the moment, sometimes the person Neate doesnt feels as exciting as his work.. btw, Adam definatly first needs to do a show abroad to test his strength for the rest of the world.. |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by volvic on Mar 22, 2009 23:15:41 GMT 1, Neate already has a lot of international collectors in LA, Tokyo and also Russia so the interest IS there. Elms will do an international show but not until they feel he is ready, i have seen a few of his october show pieces which shows a lot of progression. Maybe this might be the last show before he goes international. Then i am sure we will see things getting a lot more exiting for him.
god i wrote show too many times!
Neate already has a lot of international collectors in LA, Tokyo and also Russia so the interest IS there. Elms will do an international show but not until they feel he is ready, i have seen a few of his october show pieces which shows a lot of progression. Maybe this might be the last show before he goes international. Then i am sure we will see things getting a lot more exiting for him.
god i wrote show too many times!
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 23:19:29 GMT 1, Neate has collectors all over the world. but he isnt that well known abroad..
as much as I hope he will be a world leading artist, I dont see him being that at the moment (not because the lack of talent).
but we will see!
Neate has collectors all over the world. but he isnt that well known abroad..
as much as I hope he will be a world leading artist, I dont see him being that at the moment (not because the lack of talent).
but we will see!
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by wiz on Mar 22, 2009 23:36:14 GMT 1, god i wrote show too many times!
Thats never stopped Lloyd Webber. 
god i wrote show too many times! Thats never stopped Lloyd Webber. |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by thegreatarchitect on Mar 23, 2009 12:22:48 GMT 1, Will Adam Neate ever reach the acclaim of Francis Bacon in the art world. If not, why not?
Simply because Bacon is a far superior painter. Neat as much as i like his work is not of the same calibre
Will Adam Neate ever reach the acclaim of Francis Bacon in the art world. If not, why not? Simply because Bacon is a far superior painter. Neat as much as i like his work is not of the same calibre |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by crazyarsemother on Mar 23, 2009 12:30:09 GMT 1, I must admit that my British figurative painting knowledge is not great. But why was Bacon a pioneer or a head of his time? Was he not simply an excellent and innovative painter? I know he turned his canvases around and painted on the unprimed side because he ran out of money which proved a break through. But I don't know much more. Not questioning that he was these things but what movement and direction did he pinoneer? Weren't the German expressionists already pushing the figure in an abstract way?
I must admit that my British figurative painting knowledge is not great. But why was Bacon a pioneer or a head of his time? Was he not simply an excellent and innovative painter? I know he turned his canvases around and painted on the unprimed side because he ran out of money which proved a break through. But I don't know much more. Not questioning that he was these things but what movement and direction did he pinoneer? Weren't the German expressionists already pushing the figure in an abstract way?
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by thegreatarchitect on Mar 23, 2009 12:47:11 GMT 1, Maybe its not that Bacon was good but because at that time anyone else was no good
Maybe its not that Bacon was good but because at that time anyone else was no good
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Michael Jacob on Mar 23, 2009 13:35:29 GMT 1, not that I dont like Neate alot, but there is no comparison between him and Bacon. Bacon is right up there with Picasso.
not that I dont like Neate alot, but there is no comparison between him and Bacon. Bacon is right up there with Picasso.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by wiz on Mar 23, 2009 13:41:21 GMT 1, I would have gone to that show James.
I would have gone to that show James.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by angel41 on Mar 23, 2009 13:49:43 GMT 1, Let us not forget that Adam has a long career ahead of him. He certainly has the talent and potential.
But you can't beat a bit of well done bacon.
Let us not forget that Adam has a long career ahead of him. He certainly has the talent and potential.
But you can't beat a bit of well done bacon.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by crazyarsemother on Mar 23, 2009 14:09:44 GMT 1, I really regret not going Wiz. He is a painter that I am very ignorant about. His paintings are fantastic and an inspiration. Don't get me wrong my questions were just that. I really don't know much about his influences at the time. I met some one who shared a studio with him once.
I really regret not going Wiz. He is a painter that I am very ignorant about. His paintings are fantastic and an inspiration. Don't get me wrong my questions were just that. I really don't know much about his influences at the time. I met some one who shared a studio with him once.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by skanky on Mar 23, 2009 14:52:28 GMT 1, Let us not forget that Adam has a long career ahead of him. He certainly has the talent and potential. But you can't beat a bit of well done bacon.
Good point, Neate has a very long career in front of him and has shown more progression and originality imo than any other artist from this movement. He is an amazing talent and the quality of his work cannot be questioned.
To compare him to Bacon is like comparing apples and oranges.
Let us not forget that Adam has a long career ahead of him. He certainly has the talent and potential. But you can't beat a bit of well done bacon. Good point, Neate has a very long career in front of him and has shown more progression and originality imo than any other artist from this movement. He is an amazing talent and the quality of his work cannot be questioned. To compare him to Bacon is like comparing apples and oranges. |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by princeofdalston on Mar 23, 2009 15:31:29 GMT 1, the neate is still young.
the neate is still young.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by lee3 on Mar 23, 2009 17:35:12 GMT 1, >>>To compare him to Bacon is like comparing apples and oranges<<<
No, it's more like comparing an orchard to a seed. This is beyond silly
>>>To compare him to Bacon is like comparing apples and oranges<<<
No, it's more like comparing an orchard to a seed. This is beyond silly
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by skelly on Mar 23, 2009 17:43:35 GMT 1, Exactly, was this thread satirical and a joke?
Exactly, was this thread satirical and a joke?
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 18:33:03 GMT 1, >>>To compare him to Bacon is like comparing apples and oranges<<< No, it's more like comparing an orchard to a seed. This is beyond silly
or cider to apple juice
>>>To compare him to Bacon is like comparing apples and oranges<<< No, it's more like comparing an orchard to a seed. This is beyond silly or cider to apple juice |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Michael Jacob on Mar 23, 2009 19:14:44 GMT 1, lee3's quote "No, it's more like comparing an orchard to a seed." sums it up. Well done.
lee3's quote "No, it's more like comparing an orchard to a seed." sums it up. Well done.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by skanky on Mar 23, 2009 19:54:36 GMT 1, Not for me it doesn't, thought that quote was a bit derogatory.
The original post was do you think he will ever reach the acclaim of Bacon, surely that will be judged in 20 to 30 years time.
Not for me it doesn't, thought that quote was a bit derogatory.
The original post was do you think he will ever reach the acclaim of Bacon, surely that will be judged in 20 to 30 years time.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by lee3 on Mar 23, 2009 20:51:18 GMT 1, >>>Not for me it doesn't, thought that quote was a bit derogatory.<<<
Then my apologies but I inject humor at outlandish opportunities whenever possible.
>>>The original post was do you think he will ever reach the acclaim of Bacon, surely that will be judged in 20 to 30 years time. <<<
IOW, do you think that Neate (or for that matter anyone else on the scene today) will share the stage with Picasso, DeKooning, Renoir, Klimt, Johns, Warhol, Van Gogh, Cezzane, da Vinci, Miro, etc. as one of a handful of the most desirable artists to ever walk the earth? Having the artistic power to make thousands of people across the globe pay money each and every day to see their art while the wealthiest few of our species pay unimaginable prices to take possession of their work? My emphatic response is no. There is not one living artist (apart from Johns) that I would be so bold as to make such a claim. I would even say no to Hirst and Koons who are far more successful than anyone in this scene. I'm not trying to be derogatory, more a realist and an orchard/seed is simple reality.
We can all enjoy the ride, but this is getting WAY ahead of oursleves.
>>>Not for me it doesn't, thought that quote was a bit derogatory.<<<
Then my apologies but I inject humor at outlandish opportunities whenever possible.
>>>The original post was do you think he will ever reach the acclaim of Bacon, surely that will be judged in 20 to 30 years time. <<<
IOW, do you think that Neate (or for that matter anyone else on the scene today) will share the stage with Picasso, DeKooning, Renoir, Klimt, Johns, Warhol, Van Gogh, Cezzane, da Vinci, Miro, etc. as one of a handful of the most desirable artists to ever walk the earth? Having the artistic power to make thousands of people across the globe pay money each and every day to see their art while the wealthiest few of our species pay unimaginable prices to take possession of their work? My emphatic response is no. There is not one living artist (apart from Johns) that I would be so bold as to make such a claim. I would even say no to Hirst and Koons who are far more successful than anyone in this scene. I'm not trying to be derogatory, more a realist and an orchard/seed is simple reality.
We can all enjoy the ride, but this is getting WAY ahead of oursleves.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by slowmo on Mar 23, 2009 21:05:54 GMT 1, Neate is 31/32. Just as a comparative, three studies for figures at the base of a crucifixion was completed by Bacon when he was 35. As such you can draw more of a comparison in terms of like for like maturity of painting than many appear to want to.
Neate is 31/32. Just as a comparative, three studies for figures at the base of a crucifixion was completed by Bacon when he was 35. As such you can draw more of a comparison in terms of like for like maturity of painting than many appear to want to.
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Francis on Mar 23, 2009 21:10:27 GMT 1, My emphatic response is no. There is not one living artist (apart from Johns) that I would be so bold as to make such a claim.
Just to remind you, the following artists are still alive:
Andreas Gursky
Bruce Nauman
Lucian Freud
Ryan McGinley
Cy Twombly
Jeff Koons
Gerhard Richter
Ed Ruscha
Frank Stella
Shepard Fairey
Richard Prince
Anish Kapoor
Takashi Murakami
My emphatic response is no. There is not one living artist (apart from Johns) that I would be so bold as to make such a claim. Just to remind you, the following artists are still alive: Andreas Gursky Bruce Nauman Lucian Freud Ryan McGinley Cy Twombly Jeff Koons Gerhard Richter Ed Ruscha Frank Stella Shepard Fairey Richard Prince Anish Kapoor Takashi Murakami |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by Passion Art on Mar 23, 2009 21:16:01 GMT 1, >>>Not for me it doesn't, thought that quote was a bit derogatory.<<< Then my apologies but I inject humor at outlandish opportunities whenever possible. >>>The original post was do you think he will ever reach the acclaim of Bacon, surely that will be judged in 20 to 30 years time. <<< IOW, do you think that Neate (or for that matter anyone else on the scene today) will share the stage with Picasso, DeKooning, Renoir, Klimt, Johns, Warhol, Van Gogh, Cezzane, da Vinci, Miro, etc. as one of a handful of the most desirable artists to ever walk the earth? Having the artistic power to make thousands of people across the globe pay money each and every day to see their art while the wealthiest few of our species pay unimaginable prices to take possession of their work? My emphatic response is no. There is not one living artist (apart from Johns) that I would be so bold as to make such a claim. I would even say no to Hirst and Koons who are far more successful than anyone in this scene. I'm not trying to be derogatory, more a realist and an orchard/seed is simple reality. We can all enjoy the ride, but this is getting WAY ahead of oursleves.
I'm not sure I agree with you. I don't think that recognition and the prices people have paid (exorbitant or not) in any way directly reflect an artists 'artistic talents'. Each of these artists has effected a generation. There are certainly current artists (shepard Fairey and Banksy come immediately to mind) that have irregardless of artistic talent found a way to appeal to the broader public. They also have a HUGE youth following. If you think about the fact that some of those youth will one day be the big investors in the art world that you speak about I don't think it's crazy to say that there are at least one or two artists who will fetch exorbitant prices in 20-30 years. Do I think these artists are as 'talented' as Van Gogh, Picasso, or Bacon? Not necessarily. What I do know is that their works, simple or not, have struck a cord in the collective mind.
>>>Not for me it doesn't, thought that quote was a bit derogatory.<<< Then my apologies but I inject humor at outlandish opportunities whenever possible. >>>The original post was do you think he will ever reach the acclaim of Bacon, surely that will be judged in 20 to 30 years time. <<< IOW, do you think that Neate (or for that matter anyone else on the scene today) will share the stage with Picasso, DeKooning, Renoir, Klimt, Johns, Warhol, Van Gogh, Cezzane, da Vinci, Miro, etc. as one of a handful of the most desirable artists to ever walk the earth? Having the artistic power to make thousands of people across the globe pay money each and every day to see their art while the wealthiest few of our species pay unimaginable prices to take possession of their work? My emphatic response is no. There is not one living artist (apart from Johns) that I would be so bold as to make such a claim. I would even say no to Hirst and Koons who are far more successful than anyone in this scene. I'm not trying to be derogatory, more a realist and an orchard/seed is simple reality. We can all enjoy the ride, but this is getting WAY ahead of oursleves. I'm not sure I agree with you. I don't think that recognition and the prices people have paid (exorbitant or not) in any way directly reflect an artists 'artistic talents'. Each of these artists has effected a generation. There are certainly current artists (shepard Fairey and Banksy come immediately to mind) that have irregardless of artistic talent found a way to appeal to the broader public. They also have a HUGE youth following. If you think about the fact that some of those youth will one day be the big investors in the art world that you speak about I don't think it's crazy to say that there are at least one or two artists who will fetch exorbitant prices in 20-30 years. Do I think these artists are as 'talented' as Van Gogh, Picasso, or Bacon? Not necessarily. What I do know is that their works, simple or not, have struck a cord in the collective mind. |
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Francis Bacon and Adam Neate., by slowmo on Mar 23, 2009 21:19:49 GMT 1, My emphatic response is no. There is not one living artist (apart from Johns) that I would be so bold as to make such a claim. Just to remind you, the following artists are still alive: Andreas Gursky Bruce Nauman Lucian Freud Ryan McGinley Cy Twombly Jeff Koons Gerhard Richter Ed Ruscha Frank Stella Shepard Fairey Richard Prince Anish Kapoor Takashi Murakami
Don't forget David Hockney
My emphatic response is no. There is not one living artist (apart from Johns) that I would be so bold as to make such a claim. Just to remind you, the following artists are still alive: Andreas Gursky Bruce Nauman Lucian Freud Ryan McGinley Cy Twombly Jeff Koons Gerhard Richter Ed Ruscha Frank Stella Shepard Fairey Richard Prince Anish Kapoor Takashi Murakami Don't forget David Hockney |
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