silvermyn
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by silvermyn on May 29, 2009 15:55:49 GMT 1, A mere mark up of ยฃ8,890. Wow!
A mere mark up of ยฃ8,890. Wow!
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by wiz on May 29, 2009 15:57:03 GMT 1, Less fees though, a mans got to eat.
Less fees though, a mans got to eat.
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by wiz on May 29, 2009 16:01:41 GMT 1, Its gone from ebay now, hes watching!.
Its gone from ebay now, hes watching!.
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by hlarmy on May 29, 2009 16:01:44 GMT 1, It's a pointless listing; anyone that has that kind of spending power would have bought from source. The market for NW isn't that strong at the moment to command prices greater than cost.
Full marks for have the balls (or is it stupidity  ) to create such a listing in the first place
It's a pointless listing; anyone that has that kind of spending power would have bought from source. The market for NW isn't that strong at the moment to command prices greater than cost. Full marks for have the balls (or is it stupidity ) to create such a listing in the first place |
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"Nick Walker APish Angel Head Signed Canvas" is it not on paper listing pulled now |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by hlarmy on May 29, 2009 16:02:46 GMT 1, Its gone from ebay now, hes watching!.
The damage is done; it's an edition of 1! Love your previous post Wizzy 
Its gone from ebay now, hes watching!. The damage is done; it's an edition of 1! Love your previous post Wizzy |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by wiz on May 29, 2009 16:04:52 GMT 1, LOL maybe someone actually bought it? with money!.
LOL maybe someone actually bought it? with money!.
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by schlomo on May 29, 2009 16:05:28 GMT 1, same guy as selling the one of one dface with the pink nose isnt it??
as for the stuff at the show. I liked the simplicity of it, but can see why some wouldnt. i thought the 38 pigtails print in the flesh was stunning. I dont quite get the whole 'an image has to have a meaning' stuff sorry, again thats me tho. one of my fave pieces in my collection is my hutch rollergirl, not sure what the message is there but i enjoy looking at it!
same guy as selling the one of one dface with the pink nose isnt it??
as for the stuff at the show. I liked the simplicity of it, but can see why some wouldnt. i thought the 38 pigtails print in the flesh was stunning. I dont quite get the whole 'an image has to have a meaning' stuff sorry, again thats me tho. one of my fave pieces in my collection is my hutch rollergirl, not sure what the message is there but i enjoy looking at it!
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silvermyn
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by silvermyn on May 29, 2009 16:06:07 GMT 1, Not aimed at you specifically silvermyn at all, just the thread in general. 16 pages about a selling thing that had free beer therefore looked good, with tired old one layered old stencils pictures sold, sometimes for thousands. Kiss smiley irks, but anyway Peace very good point dyna free beer and meeting mates doesn't mean the art on the walls is good - if you like the work shout out why,
OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we?
Not aimed at you specifically silvermyn at all, just the thread in general. 16 pages about a selling thing that had free beer therefore looked good, with tired old one layered old stencils pictures sold, sometimes for thousands. Kiss smiley irks, but anyway Peace very good point dyna free beer and meeting mates doesn't mean the art on the walls is good - if you like the work shout out why, OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we? |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Heavyconsumer on May 29, 2009 16:07:34 GMT 1, The "stand out pieces" don't appear brilliantly executed at all, even in on-screen jpegs the stencils don't look very sharp. I respect that BRP know how to organize a good show, but this work doesn't look like it would be worth the trip if it weren't for the book signing, free beer and social aspect imo (I thought it was supposed to be primarily about the art though). Who wants to go to a gallery just to see varients of works they've seen a hundred times before? And more to the point, how many artists could get away with that and still sell all this stuff? I know a lot of people here will assume I have it in for Nick Walker, but that could not be further from the truth. I just think too many people are more hooked on the hype and profit than looking at the work itself, which looks poor to my eye, especially for the price-tag (reduced or not). I'm quite confident that pretty soon, maybe as soon as his NYC show, some of these paintings will be offered on ebay (and maybe even in here by mysterious "new members!"). I do feel fairly confident of that.
Retrospective or not, it's an artist's solo show, his limelight. An opportunity for NW to show what he's capable of (nothing fresh and average execution by the looks of this collection). I have some remaining hope, because I have enjoyed plenty of his work in the past (when the ideas were that bit fesher), that he will be bringing a lot more than this to the table for his NYC show. I'm looking forward to seeing the TMA Moscow image, but I hope there's something new on display too. I'm starting to think that those people accusing him of having run out of ideas may be right. Comparisons with Banksy's rats don't cut it imo - The Vandal theme is tired now, because it's so shallow and the Ape in the space suit, well ok it has potential, but how much has he really worked with it or has he (as it looks to me) just repeated the same image inanely in various colours and from a couple of different angles (again no great depth there and a subject he could have done a lot more with imo). I don't think Banksy could be accused of relying heavily on his rats. They are a part of his artistic identity yes, but how often do we see THE SAME rat images pop up?
As I said in my post earlier in this thread, I'm not anal retentive about it must have this or that to be considered "good" art, but I'm just finding that my attention span has been exceeded in the case of NW's work. Work which relies so strongly on the aesthetic should be far less repetitive imo.
The "stand out pieces" don't appear brilliantly executed at all, even in on-screen jpegs the stencils don't look very sharp. I respect that BRP know how to organize a good show, but this work doesn't look like it would be worth the trip if it weren't for the book signing, free beer and social aspect imo (I thought it was supposed to be primarily about the art though). Who wants to go to a gallery just to see varients of works they've seen a hundred times before? And more to the point, how many artists could get away with that and still sell all this stuff? I know a lot of people here will assume I have it in for Nick Walker, but that could not be further from the truth. I just think too many people are more hooked on the hype and profit than looking at the work itself, which looks poor to my eye, especially for the price-tag (reduced or not). I'm quite confident that pretty soon, maybe as soon as his NYC show, some of these paintings will be offered on ebay (and maybe even in here by mysterious "new members!"). I do feel fairly confident of that.
Retrospective or not, it's an artist's solo show, his limelight. An opportunity for NW to show what he's capable of (nothing fresh and average execution by the looks of this collection). I have some remaining hope, because I have enjoyed plenty of his work in the past (when the ideas were that bit fesher), that he will be bringing a lot more than this to the table for his NYC show. I'm looking forward to seeing the TMA Moscow image, but I hope there's something new on display too. I'm starting to think that those people accusing him of having run out of ideas may be right. Comparisons with Banksy's rats don't cut it imo - The Vandal theme is tired now, because it's so shallow and the Ape in the space suit, well ok it has potential, but how much has he really worked with it or has he (as it looks to me) just repeated the same image inanely in various colours and from a couple of different angles (again no great depth there and a subject he could have done a lot more with imo). I don't think Banksy could be accused of relying heavily on his rats. They are a part of his artistic identity yes, but how often do we see THE SAME rat images pop up?
As I said in my post earlier in this thread, I'm not anal retentive about it must have this or that to be considered "good" art, but I'm just finding that my attention span has been exceeded in the case of NW's work. Work which relies so strongly on the aesthetic should be far less repetitive imo.
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Heavyconsumer on May 29, 2009 16:07:53 GMT 1, (sorry for such a long post!)
(sorry for such a long post!)
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Heavyconsumer on May 29, 2009 16:09:14 GMT 1, OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we?
No, of course not. No need to get defensive, I agree 100% with his point, you don't, no big deal. Enjoy your art! That's why you bought it. No one's knocking you are they?
OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we? No, of course not. No need to get defensive, I agree 100% with his point, you don't, no big deal. Enjoy your art! That's why you bought it. No one's knocking you are they? |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by dynamixx on May 29, 2009 16:11:17 GMT 1, very good point dyna free beer and meeting mates doesn't mean the art on the walls is good - if you like the work shout out why, OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we?
I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions:
Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these one layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes.
The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling.
If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure.
The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again.
Yay.
Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant.
very good point dyna free beer and meeting mates doesn't mean the art on the walls is good - if you like the work shout out why, OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we? I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions: Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these one layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes. The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling. If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure. The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again. Yay. Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant. |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by snausages on May 29, 2009 16:12:47 GMT 1, Can you explain 10% of the art created in the 20th century, NO.
I typically think jboy is full of #*&% and still do really, I don't think there's any reason why street artists and street art can't have a sophisticated raison d etre. But I think this row may be stemming from imo that so much street art doesn't have one. This, a prime example.
Whether you like the majority of art in the past 100 years or not, much of it (especially recently) has some very intense philosophical and conceptual reasons behind it, from broad conceptual overviews to how it relates to history, from ways of working to why this medium and this mark were used to convey a specific message. If anything you could fault contemporary art for having too much reason and being over conceptualized, not the other way around.
I remember someone here comparing Urban art to the YBAs. But, the level of smartness in the workโI don't want to be too broadโit's there in some artists and to some degree, but the conceptual thought behind so much of this stuff is just not on par with the YBA movement.
Can you explain 10% of the art created in the 20th century, NO. I typically think jboy is full of #*&% and still do really, I don't think there's any reason why street artists and street art can't have a sophisticated raison d etre. But I think this row may be stemming from imo that so much street art doesn't have one. This, a prime example. Whether you like the majority of art in the past 100 years or not, much of it (especially recently) has some very intense philosophical and conceptual reasons behind it, from broad conceptual overviews to how it relates to history, from ways of working to why this medium and this mark were used to convey a specific message. If anything you could fault contemporary art for having too much reason and being over conceptualized, not the other way around. I remember someone here comparing Urban art to the YBAs. But, the level of smartness in the workโI don't want to be too broadโit's there in some artists and to some degree, but the conceptual thought behind so much of this stuff is just not on par with the YBA movement. |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Heavyconsumer on May 29, 2009 16:16:23 GMT 1, OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we? I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions: Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these one layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes. The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling. If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure. The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again. Yay. Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant.
GREAT POST! I wish I were as efficient with words as you are!
OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we? I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions: Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these one layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes. The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling. If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure. The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again. Yay. Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant. GREAT POST! I wish I were as efficient with words as you are! |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by silvermyn on May 29, 2009 16:37:12 GMT 1, OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we? I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions: Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these one layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes. The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling. If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure. The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again. Yay. Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant.
That's fine dynamixx. I'm with you on most of this. But you can see why someone could get a bit pi55ed of when you put "Dear oh dear" after a post about a purchase. Maybe it wasn't meant to be a criticism but it's the way it looked to me.
I can't afford to buy a canvas I like so I was really pleased to be able to buy an original I liked by a recognised urban artist. There may have been a lot of recycled images at the show but I don't have any of them. Last night was an opportunity for people like myself to buy an original at a reasonable price. If you try to buy an original on the secondary market you tend to get shafted (see eBay seller above).
bradbot made it look like the only reason people were buying was because they were plied with booze! Then again I may be reading more into these posts than there actually is.
OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we? I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions: Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these one layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes. The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling. If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure. The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again. Yay. Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant. That's fine dynamixx. I'm with you on most of this. But you can see why someone could get a bit pi55ed of when you put "Dear oh dear" after a post about a purchase. Maybe it wasn't meant to be a criticism but it's the way it looked to me. I can't afford to buy a canvas I like so I was really pleased to be able to buy an original I liked by a recognised urban artist. There may have been a lot of recycled images at the show but I don't have any of them. Last night was an opportunity for people like myself to buy an original at a reasonable price. If you try to buy an original on the secondary market you tend to get shafted (see eBay seller above). bradbot made it look like the only reason people were buying was because they were plied with booze! Then again I may be reading more into these posts than there actually is. |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Sundowner on May 29, 2009 16:38:43 GMT 1, It's still showing under the ended listings though......I bet he's hoping that BRP aren't reading this thread!
It's still showing under the ended listings though......I bet he's hoping that BRP aren't reading this thread!
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by manchestermike on May 29, 2009 16:53:01 GMT 1, It's still showing under the ended listings though......I bet he's hoping that BRP aren't reading this thread!
Poor Tony!
It's still showing under the ended listings though......I bet he's hoping that BRP aren't reading this thread! Poor Tony! |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Deleted on May 29, 2009 16:59:39 GMT 1, I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions: Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these one layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes. The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling. If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure. The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again. Yay. Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant. That's fine dynamixx. I'm with you on most of this. But you can see why someone could get a bit pi55ed of when you put "Dear oh dear" after a post about a purchase. Maybe it wasn't meant to be a criticism but it's the way it looked to me. I can't afford to buy a canvas I like so I was really pleased to be able to buy an original I liked by a recognised urban artist. There may have been a lot of recycled images at the show but I don't have any of them. Last night was an opportunity for people like myself to buy an original at a reasonable price. If you try to buy an original on the secondary market you tend to get shafted (see eBay seller above). bradbot made it look like the only reason people were buying was because they were plied with booze! Then again I may be reading more into these posts than there actually is.
 not implying that, just like to hear why ppl like something and glad u explained, good for you getting an original at a price you saw as good value - it gets very tiring reading thread after thread where all the positives about an artist end up as: they're nice; the beer is free; the crowd were friendly....while the negative posts actually discuss what was on the walls and why they didn't like it....
I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions: Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these one layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes. The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling. If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure. The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again. Yay. Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant. That's fine dynamixx. I'm with you on most of this. But you can see why someone could get a bit pi55ed of when you put "Dear oh dear" after a post about a purchase. Maybe it wasn't meant to be a criticism but it's the way it looked to me. I can't afford to buy a canvas I like so I was really pleased to be able to buy an original I liked by a recognised urban artist. There may have been a lot of recycled images at the show but I don't have any of them. Last night was an opportunity for people like myself to buy an original at a reasonable price. If you try to buy an original on the secondary market you tend to get shafted (see eBay seller above). bradbot made it look like the only reason people were buying was because they were plied with booze! Then again I may be reading more into these posts than there actually is. not implying that, just like to hear why ppl like something and glad u explained, good for you getting an original at a price you saw as good value - it gets very tiring reading thread after thread where all the positives about an artist end up as: they're nice; the beer is free; the crowd were friendly....while the negative posts actually discuss what was on the walls and why they didn't like it.... |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by bucky on May 29, 2009 17:00:41 GMT 1, wich one was the second print ?
wich one was the second print ?
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by robinbanks on May 29, 2009 17:02:16 GMT 1, OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we? I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions: Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these o ne layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes. The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling.
If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure. The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again. Yay. Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant.
don't mean to be picky but I just wanted to counter a couple of the points you made.
1. The call for a retrospective was from the publisher, Drago, although I don't think they or Nick ever used that phrase. I would look at it as more of a reflection. It was they who also set the brief for the show - white paper, black paint and one more colour of the artist's choice. Which brings me on to my next point.
2. Surely the majority of the pieces (if not all) were 2-layer stencils seeing as they were composed of red and black?
3. It can't be that puzzling that a thread about one of the most popular British street artists behind Banksy has 17 pages dedicated to discussion about their solo show - especially when people such as yourselves post huge long posts questioning the integrity of the work.
And just for the record I have a TMA London and TMA Empire State framed and in pride of place in my flat. I bought the London in '07 before queuing for NW prints was invented. I went last night and wasn't particularly blown away but thought there were a few weak pieces and few good ones - but nothing I was prepared to part with my hard earned for. I'm still a huge admirer of Nick Walker, I think he absolutely 100% deserves the success he is enjoying now and I shall be looking forward to his NYC show with great anticipation.
OMG. We don't have to justify our taste in art now, do we? I said peace but you've bitten so here goes. Not asking for anyone to justify their taste in art or not, these are my opinions: Was there much call for a retrospective yet? He's no Bacon, let's be honest here. Hasn't everyone seen/been sold these images many many times already? Anything that was new last night, looked tired already. Some of these o ne layered stencils being sold for thousands, and people buying, baffling to my eyes. The girl with guns coming out of her head is too easy to rip into, so I'll let the image do the talking instead. There's so much progressive street art all around us worldwide, the majority of it never even gets sold, then a show like this gets talked about to death and now on 17th page on here, genuinely puzzling.
If you really like this stuff, and liked it pre ยฃ54k bum painting, well, fair play nothing wrong with that. It's just fascinating to watch the market dictate what people like to such an extent. Who really cared prior to Feb 08? Not even 5% of the numbers that are buying now, that's for sure. The stagnant merry go round of rehashed images exchanged for cash continues, no-one speaks out, the free beer sends people away feeling like they've seen something good, and that "retrospective" wasn't a cloak for people to be relentlessly sold the same things again. That cycle isn't ending any time soon. Not least until this mythical "new body" of work appears, and then the whole process can repeat itself again. Yay. Disclaimer: this is nothing personal to anyone who buys this stuff. I'm not going to get into an internet argument about why Nick Walker might actually be brilliant. don't mean to be picky but I just wanted to counter a couple of the points you made. 1. The call for a retrospective was from the publisher, Drago, although I don't think they or Nick ever used that phrase. I would look at it as more of a reflection. It was they who also set the brief for the show - white paper, black paint and one more colour of the artist's choice. Which brings me on to my next point. 2. Surely the majority of the pieces (if not all) were 2-layer stencils seeing as they were composed of red and black? 3. It can't be that puzzling that a thread about one of the most popular British street artists behind Banksy has 17 pages dedicated to discussion about their solo show - especially when people such as yourselves post huge long posts questioning the integrity of the work. And just for the record I have a TMA London and TMA Empire State framed and in pride of place in my flat. I bought the London in '07 before queuing for NW prints was invented. I went last night and wasn't particularly blown away but thought there were a few weak pieces and few good ones - but nothing I was prepared to part with my hard earned for. I'm still a huge admirer of Nick Walker, I think he absolutely 100% deserves the success he is enjoying now and I shall be looking forward to his NYC show with great anticipation. |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by dynamixx on May 29, 2009 17:24:02 GMT 1, That's fine dynamixx. I'm with you on most of this. But you can see why someone could get a bit pi55ed of when you put "Dear oh dear" after a post about a purchase. Maybe it wasn't meant to be a criticism but it's the way it looked to me. I can't afford to buy a canvas I like so I was really pleased to be able to buy an original I liked by a recognised urban artist. There may have been a lot of recycled images at the show but I don't have any of them. Last night was an opportunity for people like myself to buy an original at a reasonable price. If you try to buy an original on the secondary market you tend to get shafted (see eBay seller above). bradbot made it look like the only reason people were buying was because they were plied with booze! Then again I may be reading more into these posts than there actually is.
No worries dude, and enjoy. Just a heads up for anyone that wakes up hungover, wondering what happened the night before, and turns around to see an ugly Walker show receipt for ยฃ4k lying next to them on the bed. I've been there, but they weren't receipts and think more runner than a Walker. Beer = bad
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Cheers heavyconsumer btw, you're one of the good guys.
robinbanks, for the record I might have one or two NW bits too, pre Bonhams freak result, too. Still thought the show was rubbish, stand by everything in my post above. If you liked it, well that's cool too. As for your number-of-layers-nit-picking-a-misstype-stuff, will let it pass, it's a Friday, the sun's out and the weekend has landed.
Enjoy
That's fine dynamixx. I'm with you on most of this. But you can see why someone could get a bit pi55ed of when you put "Dear oh dear" after a post about a purchase. Maybe it wasn't meant to be a criticism but it's the way it looked to me. I can't afford to buy a canvas I like so I was really pleased to be able to buy an original I liked by a recognised urban artist. There may have been a lot of recycled images at the show but I don't have any of them. Last night was an opportunity for people like myself to buy an original at a reasonable price. If you try to buy an original on the secondary market you tend to get shafted (see eBay seller above). bradbot made it look like the only reason people were buying was because they were plied with booze! Then again I may be reading more into these posts than there actually is. No worries dude, and enjoy. Just a heads up for anyone that wakes up hungover, wondering what happened the night before, and turns around to see an ugly Walker show receipt for ยฃ4k lying next to them on the bed. I've been there, but they weren't receipts and think more runner than a Walker. Beer = bad -- Cheers heavyconsumer btw, you're one of the good guys. robinbanks, for the record I might have one or two NW bits too, pre Bonhams freak result, too. Still thought the show was rubbish, stand by everything in my post above. If you liked it, well that's cool too. As for your number-of-layers-nit-picking-a-misstype-stuff, will let it pass, it's a Friday, the sun's out and the weekend has landed. Enjoy |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by wiz on May 29, 2009 17:44:59 GMT 1, Done that! got home and thought WTFlip did i buy this piece of crap for? ha! straight in the cupboard. Not with any of Nicks works though.
Done that! got home and thought WTFlip did i buy this piece of crap for? ha! straight in the cupboard. Not with any of Nicks works though.
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Heavyconsumer on May 29, 2009 18:11:22 GMT 1, Done that! got home and thought WTFlip did i buy this piece of crap for? ha! straight in the cupboard. Not with any of Nicks works though.
Got a separate cupboard with less damp and mould reserved especially for the Nick Walker bits have you?
Done that! got home and thought WTFlip did i buy this piece of crap for? ha! straight in the cupboard. Not with any of Nicks works though. Got a separate cupboard with less damp and mould reserved especially for the Nick Walker bits have you? |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Heavyconsumer on May 29, 2009 18:13:55 GMT 1,
He has a DFace 1/1 print on silver background too, so it must be very clear to them who he is. Whether or not they care or even should care is arguable though imo. Firstly, the guy clearly ain't too worried about them seeing him flip (make of that what you will). And secondly, if they did act on this occasion, that would be pretty unfair to the seller considering the past actions of Panambabe and our very own FX imo. Not that I think this is ok of course, but sending out an anti-flipping message would seem somewhat hypocritical in this case imo.
He has a DFace 1/1 print on silver background too, so it must be very clear to them who he is. Whether or not they care or even should care is arguable though imo. Firstly, the guy clearly ain't too worried about them seeing him flip (make of that what you will). And secondly, if they did act on this occasion, that would be pretty unfair to the seller considering the past actions of Panambabe and our very own FX imo. Not that I think this is ok of course, but sending out an anti-flipping message would seem somewhat hypocritical in this case imo. |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Sacked... on May 29, 2009 18:18:12 GMT 1, Go on wiz tell us what the piece that you put in the cuboard was (at least it will be protected from the daylight in there.)
Also,whilst in the q at the show,(just before it opened),i noticed a guy trying to get in ,but the bouncer would'nt let him.
"Who are you ?" said the bouncer "where's your print cerificate ? You cant come in with out it"
!'m Nick Walker" said the man.
"who" asked the bouncer again.
"i'm the artist" he replied.
"you'd better come in then" said the bouncer sheepishly.
We had a good laugh at that.He he.
Go on wiz tell us what the piece that you put in the cuboard was (at least it will be protected from the daylight in there.)
Also,whilst in the q at the show,(just before it opened),i noticed a guy trying to get in ,but the bouncer would'nt let him.
"Who are you ?" said the bouncer "where's your print cerificate ? You cant come in with out it"
!'m Nick Walker" said the man.
"who" asked the bouncer again.
"i'm the artist" he replied.
"you'd better come in then" said the bouncer sheepishly.
We had a good laugh at that.He he.
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by wiz on May 29, 2009 18:47:02 GMT 1, Done that! got home and thought WTFlip did i buy this piece of crap for? ha! straight in the cupboard. Not with any of Nicks works though. Got a separate cupboard with less damp and mould reserved especially for the Nick Walker bits have you?
LOL. I bought three Nick Walker originals last year after Carmichael show, two have now gone, sold at cost, as i got bored with them and im keeping the last (on the wall) (for now).
Done that! got home and thought WTFlip did i buy this piece of crap for? ha! straight in the cupboard. Not with any of Nicks works though. Got a separate cupboard with less damp and mould reserved especially for the Nick Walker bits have you? LOL. I bought three Nick Walker originals last year after Carmichael show, two have now gone, sold at cost, as i got bored with them and im keeping the last (on the wall) (for now). |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by wiz on May 29, 2009 18:53:55 GMT 1, I think you are mistaken Sacked? i dont employ any bouncers on my cupboards?.
I think you are mistaken Sacked? i dont employ any bouncers on my cupboards?.
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Sacked... on May 29, 2009 19:23:01 GMT 1, He has a DFace 1/1 print on silver background too, so it must be very clear to them who he is. Whether or not they care or even should care is arguable though imo. Firstly, the guy clearly ain't too worried about them seeing him flip (make of that what you will). And secondly, if they did act on this occasion, that would be pretty unfair to the seller considering the past actions of Panambabe and our very own FX imo. Not that I think this is ok of course, but sending out an anti-flipping message would seem somewhat hypocritical in this case imo.
Panambabe has some Matt Small a'ps on the bay now.
He has a DFace 1/1 print on silver background too, so it must be very clear to them who he is. Whether or not they care or even should care is arguable though imo. Firstly, the guy clearly ain't too worried about them seeing him flip (make of that what you will). And secondly, if they did act on this occasion, that would be pretty unfair to the seller considering the past actions of Panambabe and our very own FX imo. Not that I think this is ok of course, but sending out an anti-flipping message would seem somewhat hypocritical in this case imo. Panambabe has some Matt Small a'ps on the bay now. |
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Nick Walker - Show - BRP - 28th May, by Harveyn on May 29, 2009 19:32:43 GMT 1, Go on wiz tell us what the piece that you put in the cuboard was (at least it will be protected from the daylight in there.) Also,whilst in the q at the show,(just before it opened),i noticed a guy trying to get in ,but the bouncer would'nt let him. "Who are you ?" said the bouncer "where's your print cerificate ? You cant come in with out it" !'m Nick Walker" said the man. "who" asked the bouncer again. "i'm the artist" he replied. "you'd better come in then" said the bouncer sheepishly. We had a good laugh at that.He he.
LOL Sacked - Priceless and I think Nick would have enjoyed the irony.
Having not been to the show its hard to comment with 100% confidence. I would say at first glance the works are not up to Nick's usual standard. As illustrations for a book their fine but the price point suggest something different was intended.
That said I have always loved his Apish Angel character. I like Apes what can I say.
Wiz is there any room left in your cupboards...
Go on wiz tell us what the piece that you put in the cuboard was (at least it will be protected from the daylight in there.) Also,whilst in the q at the show,(just before it opened),i noticed a guy trying to get in ,but the bouncer would'nt let him. "Who are you ?" said the bouncer "where's your print cerificate ? You cant come in with out it" !'m Nick Walker" said the man. "who" asked the bouncer again. "i'm the artist" he replied. "you'd better come in then" said the bouncer sheepishly. We had a good laugh at that.He he. LOL Sacked - Priceless and I think Nick would have enjoyed the irony. Having not been to the show its hard to comment with 100% confidence. I would say at first glance the works are not up to Nick's usual standard. As illustrations for a book their fine but the price point suggest something different was intended. That said I have always loved his Apish Angel character. I like Apes what can I say. Wiz is there any room left in your cupboards... |
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) to create such a listing in the first place 
not implying that, just like to hear why ppl like something and glad u explained, good for you getting an original at a price you saw as good value - it gets very tiring reading thread after thread where all the positives about an artist end up as: they're nice; the beer is free; the crowd were friendly....while the negative posts actually discuss what was on the walls and why they didn't like it.... 
